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High school coach believes Titus Young needs help

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Yes, the news that former Lions receiver Titus Young was arrested twice in 15 hours (once for DUI and then for trying to steal his impounded car) provided some entertainment during the early days of the annual slow period on the NFL calendar.  But Young’s behavior flows by all appearances from deeper emotional or psychological issues for which he apparently needs treatment, and perhaps medication.

Don’t take our word for it.  Young’s high school coach, E.C. Robinson, sensed in March that Young needs help.

“Based on the last time I did see him, I knew unless he got some help there was going to be some issues, and I told him that, too,” Robinson told Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press. “And I thought maybe since I hadn’t heard anything from him he was in some institute getting some help.  That’s what I just figured.  But I know the last time I saw him, I was just shocked the stage he was in at that time.”

Think about that for a second.  Robinson hadn’t heard from Young, and Robinson assumed from Young’s condition during their last interaction that Robinson hadn’t heard from Young because Young was institutionalized.

“He was talking some things that just didn’t make sense,” Robinson said. “I don’t know, I just wish he’d get some help.  I know football is probably out of the question, right now it’s trying to get his life together.”

We hope it happens for Young.  We hope he eventually can convince a team to take advantage of the talent that got him picked in round two.

We also hope that the end result is a story that will prompt others who need help to get it before things get too far out of control.

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  1. theboondoggles says: May 8, 2013 1:02 PM

    High school coach believes water may be wet.

  2. mobuccsfan says: May 8, 2013 1:03 PM

    Those who want help first must admit that they have a problem; and people only change when they are truly ready to change. It has to start with them. It doesn’t mean this coach, friends, family, shouldn’t continue to try and push him in the right direction.

  3. Mr. Wright 212 says: May 8, 2013 1:05 PM

    All thanks due to Captain Obvious here.

    If Titus doesn’t first seek the help, any and everyone’s efforts to help are in vain.

  4. shadowcell says: May 8, 2013 1:06 PM

    Hopefully the latest meltdown will result in some sort of court-mandated treatment. Often the hardest part of helping a person with a serious psychological problem is getting them to see that there’s a problem.

  5. thestrategyexpert says: May 8, 2013 1:10 PM

    This is a big problem with the Lions. For the last 10 years they have had lots of players and prospects that could have made something of themselves. But the coaches have not been there to help guys where they need help on and off the field. They arguably seem to do the worst job with off the field matters, but even the on the field matters they let their players down with lousy coaching schemes and training methods. We lose so many players due to faulty coaching and lack of support and resources that it’s just a constant turnover of personnel problem.

    Not to mention we do a horrid job of selecting guys via Draft and FA to begin with, pair that with lousy football teaching and mentorship in general, and you get the consistently futile Detroit Lions. This isn’t rocket science guys, it’s football, and you need good football men in charge of your team otherwise your team is going to FAIL!

  6. stealthjunk says: May 8, 2013 1:13 PM

    Sounds like teams were so busy asking him if he was gay at the Combine that they missed the obvious.

  7. robertocfg says: May 8, 2013 1:14 PM

    Help? Sure he needs help. But he also needs smarts. And as far as I know, all help in the world won’t get them for you.

  8. sanche243 says: May 8, 2013 1:20 PM

    How much more “help” does this guy need? He’s been on a team with multiple coaches trying to help, Been Disciplined by being suspended and released from the rams within 2 weeks.

    Unless you have some insane talent you can’t go around doing these things. Look at T.O. He couldn’t find a team even before his ACL tear. Dude has to get his act together before it’s too late. It’s looking that it is.

  9. rhamrhoddy says: May 8, 2013 1:20 PM

    Obvious coach is obvious

  10. zingo1978 says: May 8, 2013 1:22 PM

    As a Lions fan who hated his actions, I’m also someone who’s fealty first hand with severely bi-polar and depressed individuals.

    This isn’t like alcoholism or drug addiction where you expect him to recognize his issue and ask for help. He will likely believe firmly that he is fine and everyone else is the threat. This is also very dangerous as he if a former professional athlete who could do great physical harm.

    Assuming this is his issue, forced institutionalization may be the only route. I hope he finds his way.

  11. filthymcnasty1 says: May 8, 2013 1:28 PM

    This is why Denver and Miami dumped Brandon Marshall.

    Hopefully the guy gets treatment.

  12. thestrategyexpert says: May 8, 2013 1:32 PM

    Good post by zingo1978 as a follow up to the outrageous comment by mobuccsfan.

    Sure it’s much more convenient to help people by waiting for them to ask for and demand help. But if they don’t do that and they are your teammate that you invested in, then maybe you should try really hard to help somebody that has trouble identifying that they need help. The Lions failed at getting Titus Young help, that much we know for certain, and that’s unfortunate because maybe it was possible to help him. And if it wasn’t then maybe he shouldn’t have been drafted. Either way you slice it, it is the team’s responsibility to make the player work if they are going to do a draft evaluation that says he is the best pick out of every remaining possible choice. The Lions vouched for Titus and cleared the red flags to draft him, and they were wrong and they couldn’t back it up, and it was THEIR responsibility to figure out how to get him help. If that’s not acceptable, then draft intelligently and don’t take the responsibility on of having to help a troubled young man if you aren’t qualified or equipped or willing to put in the quality effort.

    And to “sanche243″, perhaps you can submit a diary of all of the efforts the Lions undertook to help him? I’d be curious to check out what steps they took. Can’t wait to read these journal logs. My hunch is they don’t exist and they didn’t do anything substantive to help him.

  13. lks311 says: May 8, 2013 1:39 PM

    mobuccsfan says:
    May 8, 2013 1:03 PM
    Those who want help first must admit that they have a problem; and people only change when they are truly ready to change. It has to start with them. It doesn’t mean this coach, friends, family, shouldn’t continue to try and push him in the right direction.
    __________
    This isn’t alcohol, cocaine or some prescription drug addiction. This man seems sick in the head. Suppose he thinks he’s the only rationale person and the rest of us are tilted? So, I ask—if you’re mentally ill, how do you steady yourself to a point where you comprehend that you might not be the sane one?

    Uh, no need to answer—it was rhetorical.

  14. tomhayes83 says: May 8, 2013 1:44 PM

    Thanks, coach, no one would have ever known that…

  15. spideysdog says: May 8, 2013 1:45 PM

    EC Robinson would prefer if you call him by his more common name:

    Captain Obvious

  16. folkcrusader says: May 8, 2013 1:47 PM

    filthymcnasty1 says: May 8, 2013 1:28 PM

    This is why Denver and Miami dumped Brandon Marshall.

    Hopefully the guy gets treatment.

    *********

    This is a really great point. Brandon did finally get help and it turned out he had a very serious illness. Look were treatment has taken him, he’s like a completely different person.

    Titus needs to get with some people that can diagnose and help him with whatever his problem is. Until he takes that step, its just going to be one train wreck after another.

  17. 509seahawks says: May 8, 2013 1:47 PM

    Titus Young went to Boise State. Enough said.

  18. wholelottaawesome says: May 8, 2013 1:53 PM

    Kid had troubles at BSU too. It’s too bad some of these kids can’t get more help or someone to stand up for them and give them the direction they need to get through this. You would hope the college would stand up and help during school or before they let him leave…

    Lks311. – Profoundly insightful my friend. Profoundly insightful.

  19. mobuccsfan says: May 8, 2013 1:54 PM

    @ strategy expert–these are grown men and to an extent-mental disorder/illness or not, still responsible for their own actions, just like you or I are responsible for our own actions. I will agree to an extent, that yes, the team made an investment and should of and could of done more to try and help this young man, but the fact remains, he has to want to get help and realize he needs it as well as want to change.

    Furthermore, recent arrests records show that yes, the Lions coaching staff and personnel either take too many chances on these type of people or don’t have a system in place to try and help them–yet again though, for the most part these people are adults who need to know right from wrong, do the right things and take responsibility for their actions when they do mess up. I can only slightly see teams trying to be involved enough to protect their investments; in the end it doesn’t matter.

    What is obvious here is this young man just doesn’t get it, really is a bi-polar, mental issue or just someone who simply doesn’t care and continue to make bad choices because they feel they can.

    Of course, I believe there are some terms for those types of people as well–narcissistic and sociopath come to mind, as well as the whole issue of self-entitlement that isn’t only common with athletes–but take a closer look at America today.

    It is sickening how there are so many people whom expect everyone to do things for them, baby them, coddle them, cater to them, give into them, etc etc. Personal responsibility and accountability have gone to the way-side, and sadly we’ve allowed this type of crap to continue for way too many years and it only gets worse.

  20. latchbeam says: May 8, 2013 1:59 PM

    Dude is fast… at everything.

  21. crussell75 says: May 8, 2013 2:02 PM

    I’ve never seen a more perfect fit for the Dallas Cowboys. Ever.

  22. johnnyjagfan says: May 8, 2013 2:12 PM

    He just had a kid last year, too. Hope he can find a good doctor.

  23. seahawk12man says: May 8, 2013 2:14 PM

    You can’t fix being stupid…

  24. timmons94 says: May 8, 2013 2:15 PM

    Titus to ravens or browns

  25. beelicker says: May 8, 2013 2:18 PM

    Looks like to me hypomania trending to mania, which is a psychiatric (medical) matter.

    This would be analogous to someone having a seizure from a possibly undiagnosed disorder & watching them fall out from such seizure in rush hour traffic in the middle of the street & you see them lying there unconscious & say: “When that guy there wakes up he needs to convince himself to go get treatment”

    These behaviors of delusion, euphoria, paranoia, denial etc are SYMPTOMS ….

    D’oh ummm gee that guy seems to be having a heart attack … if he happens to wake up from that he should convince himself to go see a doctor!

  26. classactcalvin81 says: May 8, 2013 2:23 PM

    Is the Strategy Expert Joshsun??

  27. dukeford56 says: May 8, 2013 2:29 PM

    @stategyexpert – how in the he%* do you know what the Lions did or did not do to help T. Young? It is well-known that they DID try to get him help. He refused it. What were they supposed to do? Involuntarily commit the guy?

  28. thestrategyexpert says: May 8, 2013 2:35 PM

    mobuccsfan:

    Sure individuals are responsible for themselves, but that still doesn’t absolve the Detroit Lions organization from having responsibility too. They failed at their responsibility in a much more profound and hurtful way to this team than Titus did. Titus only screwed up his own contributory value, but the Lions picked him and allowed him to fail, as well as picked and allowed dozens of other somewhat high profile players that were bad choices to begin with and/or players they failed to coach up and manage well. This is a major recurring problem with the franchise, and a much bigger and more global problem that deserves the focus. They are the machine that is feeding the continued failure across many lines.

    And you sum up with accountability, well that’s great that you make that point, and Titus lost his job because he wasn’t able to get the job done without help. But the bigger issue still lies in why can he make a couple mistakes and be held accountable, but the more powerful and influential team members, aka Martin Mayhew, he makes several mistakes each and every season, yet he is not held accountable. And this is the root of the underlying problem of all of these problems.

    The Lions do not have a logical approach to employ quality football men who can both make great choices of players to bring on this team as well as coach and support and manage the players and the team to success. It’s all about the lack of logic, strategy, and accountability.

    That is the disease that plagues Detroit, and the sickness seeps down through every element of the organization, and some guys like Titus Young become mistakes and casualties, and then the process repeats and repeats for further insanity. How can a team that functions as mentally ill help out another person who is mentally ill?

  29. mazblast says: May 8, 2013 2:41 PM

    Beelicker, it’s not the same. Someone having a seizure or a heart attack is not physically able to seek help. Someone who is bi-polar is physically able to do so, if only when not at the extremes of their ailment. I think Young should have periods where he’s lucid enough to be able to say, “Maybe all this happens to me because of ME.”

  30. 6thsense79 says: May 8, 2013 2:45 PM

    Yea. I knew he wasn’t right in the head as soon as he claimed quite seriously to be better than Calvin Johnson.

  31. threefeetaway says: May 8, 2013 2:47 PM

    “His high school coach says he needs help”

    Yeah, he’s not the only one…

  32. hehateme2 says: May 8, 2013 3:10 PM

    Baker Act him ASAP

  33. nathpz says: May 8, 2013 3:35 PM

    Sad to see all the insightful comments about mental illness getting a bunch of thumbs down. I guess empathy isn’t what I should be looking for at PFT.

  34. beelicker says: May 8, 2013 3:47 PM

    mazblat … he’s in one of “those periods” … it is the same.

    I’m bipolar. I ran the local support group for years.

    He’s (figuratively) having a ‘heart attack’ & ‘lying in the middle of the street with traffic flying all around’ … “ummm gee d’ooooohhhh when he gets up on his own by himself he should convince himself to see a doctor”

  35. realfootballfan says: May 8, 2013 3:58 PM

    Make all the jokes you want, but mental illness isn’t akin to a drug or alcohol problem, dummies.

  36. larrydavid7000 says: May 8, 2013 4:53 PM

    Really then why didn’t you help him in highschool. Highschool coach why.????

  37. nastyn8770 says: May 8, 2013 4:59 PM

    B. Marshall, give this guy a call

  38. freebledsoe says: May 8, 2013 6:04 PM

    @beelicker,
    You can’t diagnose a man with a psychiatric condition based on news reports of what to us seem irrational actions.

    “Looks like to me hypomania trending to mania, which is a psychiatric (medical) matter.”
    “These behaviors of delusion, euphoria, paranoia, denial etc are SYMPTOMS”

    While you may be correct, it is entirely possible that this is entirely wrong. Only a professional can help diagnose mental illness with any degree of accuracy, even then its a lot of “best fit” symptomology.

    Either way, if he was not well known due to his football status, he would be just another name involved in bizarre activity, some criminal. Because of his status he has at least had people telling him he needs to get help, and has the means to get it. Unless it can be proved he is an immediate threat to himself or others he cannot be forced to seek help. Generally then the only way individuals who may be suffering from a treatable mental illness receive help is after arrest and conviction for crimes committed. I wish him the best, not just in football but to get his life in order and more enjoyable.

  39. larryboodry says: May 9, 2013 11:29 AM

    filthymcnasty1 says: May 8, 2013 1:28 PM

    “This is why Denver and Miami dumped Brandon Marshall.”

    Yes, but you (not surprisingly) ignore the fact that Marshall has since gotten treatment for his BPD and turned his life around…Since coming to the Bears he has proven to be a model citizen, well-spoken and respected by his teammates and fans, while working to help others with his condition.

    “Hopefully the guy gets treatment.”

    On Titus Young we agree…I just hope that he has the same strength of character Marshall has shown, and the intelligence to stick with a program once (and if) he ever chooses to get help for his issues.

  40. 4ever9er says: May 10, 2013 12:29 PM

    @mobuccsfan says: May 8, 2013 1:54 PM
    …. Typically ignorant statement by someone who doesn’t understand mental illness, mental illness can strike anyone at any time. As I have a son who was diagnosed as being bi-polar & schizophrenic after stabbing my oldest son 12 times at the age of 17. These mental disorders are real and as others have stated, you can’t expect someone who is mentally ill to think they are the ones with the problem. So before you make other statements about mental health issues. I suggest that you read any of the several books that are out on the market regarding these issues.
    BECAUSE ANY OF YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS COULD BE SUFFERING RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT AND YOU WOULDN’T KNOW!!!

  41. 4ever9er says: May 10, 2013 12:33 PM

    larrydavid7000 says: May 8, 2013 4:53 PM

    Because maybe he wasn’t showing any of those signs or behavioral problems 7 or 8 years ago!

    The Coach (whom I played for in the 70’s) said that when he saw him the last time which was in March of this year he was behaving erratically. Has nothing to do with High School!

  42. larryboodry says: May 10, 2013 12:43 PM

    mobucsfan says:

    “What is obvious here is this young man just doesn’t get it, really is a bi-polar, mental issue or just someone who simply doesn’t care and continue to make bad choices because they feel they can.”

    As someone whose best friend of 20= years is a gal suffering from bi-polar disorder (and Type-2 diabetes), I can attest that dealing with her mood swings and irrational outbursts is not easy…That said, I am thankful for the empathy to see past the issues she can’t control (even with treatment) to the wonderful (if flawed) person she really is. She is not someone who fits your above description.

    “It is sickening how there are so many people whom expect everyone to do things for them, baby them, coddle them, cater to them, give into them, etc etc. Personal responsibility and accountability have gone to the way-side, and sadly we’ve allowed this type of crap to continue for way too many years and it only gets worse.”

    Here I’m with you 100%, and this has nothing to do with mental illness…Folks who act this way, for the most part, are perfectly sane individuals adept at scamming the system, while those who are truly desperate struggle to get the help they need.

  43. 4ever9er says: May 10, 2013 4:30 PM

    mazblast says: May 8, 2013 2:41 PM

    Beelicker, it’s not the same. Someone having a seizure or a heart attack is not physically able to seek help…..
    @mazblast
    Someone who is bi-polar isn’t always mentally capable just as a heart attack victim isn’t physically able, regardless of the nature of their mental illness!

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