Snyder says Redskins will “never” change name

AP

At a time when the Redskins are receiving more pressure than ever to change their name but not nearly enough to move the needle in the direction of actually changing it, the man who calls the shots has settled the debate.

We will never change the name of the team,” Snyder tells Erik Brady of USA Today.  “As a lifelong Redskins fan, and I think that the Redskins fans understand the great tradition and what it’s all about and what it means, so we feel pretty fortunate to be just working on next season.”

Pressed on whether any external forces could force a change, Snyder became strident:  “We’ll never change the name.  It’s that simple.  NEVER — you can use caps.”

Snyder, like many fans of the team, doesn’t view the word as anything potentially offensive, but simply as the name of the football team he loves.  At some point, the word assumes a different reality, and the connection to anything potentially offensive or troubling is coincidental, and ultimately irrelevant.

Although the chances of the team’s name changing while Snyder owns it can officially be pegged at nil, never is a long time.  It’s impossible to rule out a change in the future, especially since support for the name has dropped from 89 percent to 79 percent in the past generation.

Defiance from Snyder could actually accelerate the process, motivating those who otherwise are complacent about the issue to take a position and act on it.

Regardless, it’s Snyder’s team and he can call it whatever he wants.  Absent real and compelling political, legal, or economic pressure, the Redskins will continue to be the Redskins.

170 responses to “Snyder says Redskins will “never” change name

  1. We know where the PC folks at PFT stand. Give it a rest for a while. Perhaps this tired nontroversy will seem fresh when you revive it a year down the line.

  2. Dan Snyder will NEVER benefit by opening his mouth and making public statements. The less he talks, the less people remember that they hate him.

  3. Why should he change it? The team name is not being used in a derogatory way.

    In fact, the term “Redskins” was referenced four times in this article alone. Where is the outrage over that?

  4. So it’s only going to take a few generations for them to change the name? PHEW! All we have to do is wait 50+ years.

    Good thing we don’t have other important things to worry about in the meantime…

  5. “Regardless, it’s Snyder’s team and he can call it whatever he wants. Absent real and compelling political, legal, or economic pressure, the Redskins will continue to be the Redskins.”

    Bingo, this is gonna happen eventually. Sounds more like a last hurrah by an owner who wants to save face with the people who make him rich.

  6. i heard snyder also won’t hire what he calls coloreds to be anything but janitors, and that he holds screenings of birth of a nation on the reg.

  7. When Daniel Snyder makes a decision, it’s final. That how the Washington REDSKINS roll. The pecking order is God – Snyder – Allen – Shanahan – Players. #WinningForumulainWashingtonDC

  8. It evades me how we still have a sports team with that name in this PC culture of ours. It’s not even a little bit politically incorrect. It’s blatant racism really. The worst part is that I’m pretty sure most NFL fans are perfectly o.k with it, which says more about NFL fans than anything.

  9. Can’t wait till they draft a player who refuses to sign with them.

    Hey Danny, remember when you sued that paper because you were offended by a pic that you said was anti semitic?

    yea….

  10. Probably one of the smartest decisions he’s made since buying the team. Bravo Mr Snyder! I mean cmon. I actually don’t find it racist. I can see how some might but they should lighten up and focus on a cause that’s a little less trivial…

  11. Feel bad for DC fans that they have to deal with this clown, right or wrong on this issue

  12. Money. Nothing will change because of the money it generates. That dictates it. Just ask the Florida St Seminoles.

  13. Anytime someone especially a politician brings this subject up its a transparent attempt to get their name mentioned in the press. I bet dollars to donuts most people don’t associate the name Redskins with Native Americans .

  14. Good for Snyder! Bad owner, but he gained a fan with me. This political crap stuff the last 20 plus years has really screwed up this country…

  15. Hooah Dan Snyder! The Redskins are a historic franchise – lets move on to real issues in this country… Like people getting jobs and the economy and battling terrorism.

  16. It seems like most people who comment here and on other sites always bring up the “PC” argument and claim that there’s nothing wrong with the name Redskins.

    This bothers me because people don’t actually take the time to research the name or the history behind it, or even why the team was named Redskins in the first place. It seems like fans want to keep the name because it’s tradition, and that’s essentially the end of the argument for most people.

    I’m not a Native American, but I’ve had to do a great deal of research on them in the past, and in my opinion, the name is considered to be offensive. That doesn’t mean it’s offensive to all Native Americans, especially when many grow up now only seeing the name as a football team, but I don’t think that takes away the offensiveness of the name.

    If you don’t find the name offensive, I don’t really expect you to research the history behind it, or the history of how Native Americans have been treated, but I would like to urge people to think critically about it instead of just blindly defending the use of the name.

  17. and the redskins will never get out the nfc east basement again and IRG3 will NEVER sniff a SB unless he buys tickets!!!

  18. Im a huge Dallas Cowboys’ fan and i respect Snyder even more. Stand your ground Dan! Don’t let all these politics bully you around to have their way!

  19. The polls show a rift between native Americans who find it offensive and those who don’t. Let them speak for themselves.

    Tired of reading about white people being offended for other people. There have been recent article by native Americans that defend the name, that didn’t make PFT.

  20. Probably should change the Giants name too.. Giants don’t like being called a bad football team..

  21. Think if some outside entity wanted the name of YOUR favorite team changed. I’d fight it tooth and nail.

    Most of you want to disagree with Dan Snyder just to disagree with him. I applaud his stance.

    The Redskins are a staple of the NFL. That would be like NOT having the Cowboys… or Steelers… or the Chiefs. No way.

  22. If native americans dont have a problem with it, i dont. If they do, they should change it.

    I dont think many white people would mind “washington crackers,” but my bet is “washington n****rs” wouldnt be okay by black people.

    There are seemingly an infinite number of names available…you could use city history (steelers, 76ers, 49ers, etc.), or ANY animal (hell, even beavers and ducks are used by successful programs).

  23. What annoys me is people who claim to know Snyder is a horrible owner. Was he? Sure. Has he done a 180? Yes. It’s been three years since he stepped back and hired football minds to make football decisions. Guys who completely overhauled the roster with youth and depth in three years, survived a $36m cap penalty and lost only one starter from the NFC EAST CHAMP team. A guy at the helm of an up and coming team with mega cap room to compensate for one more year of a happily paid first round pick.

    This statement is one of the only I can recall him making during that time since he shaped up. So now we have a guy who is passionate (and a lifelong fan) about his team. We have a guy willing to spend but smarter guys to tell him when and when not to. A guy who let the football minds pull off the right trade and land a franchise QB who has re-energized a fan base. And a guy who clearly stands by his conviction with the team name, representing 79% of people polled but 99.9% of the teams fans. And a guy who learned his lesson about playing fantasy free agent football….

    Yep, our owner is horrible. Which we had Brown or Khan or Davis Jr or Jerry or….

  24. The entire nation is being choked by the obsession of being politically correct – and that’s not from me , that’s a direct quote from Redskins QB Robert Griffin III

  25. Not a big Snyder fan here but i have to give him props for standing his ground…just dont try to change the team like you tried in the past. kudos and HTTR!

  26. Being that the United States carried out mass genocide against Native Americans in this country, I hardly think a football teams’s name is anymore shameful than the actions of our ancestors. If anything, I wish more teams would name their teams after native Americans so that our children and grand children are reminded who the first Americans were

  27. I am not a Redskins fan nor do I particularly like Dan Snyder…but it is his team and he can call it whatever he wants. This is still America…if you don’t like the name Redskins…don’t watch the games and don’t buy the gear. You are entitled to your PC opinion…now it’s getting old…really old…give it a rest and move on or get over it.

  28. The liberal non-Native Americans want to define what should be offensive to Native Americans.

    But the Native Americans don’t see it that way. So the liberal media wants to force their beliefs on the Native Americans.

    And why is that?

    Are Native Americans not smart enough to know how a civilized world works so we have force modern culture upon them so they stop being savages? Oh wait …

  29. They shouldn’t change the name. It’s been that forever so why being in the politics and try to change it now. The politicians need to mind there own business and focus on what’s important. Cleaning up our government and getting Nobama out if office.

  30. I’m strongly anti-political correctness, so part of me is happy about this because I don’t think they should change the name to appease anyone.

    But boy, is Snyder the wrong guy to take an anti-PC stand. This is the same tool who went and cried “anti-semitism” when Dave McKenna ripped him apart two years ago.

  31. The Washington Heathen Injuns would be so better. The cheerleaders could be the Squaws.

  32. So why not force the KC Chiefs to change their name? Not all Native Americans were Chiefs and they are and they are angry the rest of the tribe ain’t gettin no love.

    If they should be offended by anything it should be the Dallas Cowboys…look at all the bad things the paleface cowboys did to the Indian nation.

    This whole trying to be politically correct BS is way out of control…

  33. Danny boy is looking for the right opportunity to enter into business in the Premier League, most likely through the outright purchase of a soccer club. FIFA may object. European football has enough problems with racism.

  34. Yes, the name will NEVER change but the logo will quickly be changed from a brave to a potato. Who would object to the Washington Redskin Potatoes?

  35. Larryfitz- I’m Irish, born in the Chicago area. I live now in the New Orleans area…I am white. My friends call me a Yankee, even though I have lived here 20 years. But… I am a Yankee to them, despite they love hanging out with me, drinking, playing golf, and seeing what Cajun woman is with me…but I am a Yankee. The Irish comment earlier? I grew from the stereotypes, managed a successful business career. Fought through it all. But I am a Yankee….. Gee i wonder if i didn’t get that deal in Mississippi because I am a Yankee…Do I need to start a boycott of that American League franchise because I get” teased “? PC is BS. Grow up. All it’s done in this country is screw everything up the last 30 years…btw, “coonass” is not racist term here…it’s a compliment! And yes, it does not mean race.

  36. I am glad you took a stand one way or the other. However if there are any DC area fans that are so bothered by the name they are welcome to follow a championship football team just 45 min up interstate 95

  37. Snyder, like many fans of the team, doesn’t view the word as anything potentially offensive, but simply as the name of the football team he loves. At some point, the word assumes a different reality, and the connection to anything potentially offensive or troubling is coincidental, and ultimately irrelevant.

    That’s quite a statement. ULTIMATELY IRRELEVANT. Really? Wonder if American Indians, you know, “Redskins”, if you will, think its irrelevant.

  38. From the same guy who sued the Washington City Paper for publishing a picture of him that he deemed racist. It wasn’t. Talk about speaking out of both sides of your face.

  39. I hate all this political correctness! Years ago The bullets change the name to the Washington wizards in order to curb urban violence look at DC now it did no good do you really think that urban violence was curved simply because the name was changed from the bullets to the wizards now the Redskins is not a racist name we really need to all grow up and accept each one of us in society.

  40. The Washington Native Americans are jinxed until they change their racists ways.

    They will NEVER win another championship.

    The jinx already took RGIII, who will never be the same player. Who’s next?

  41. Anybody wanna talk about the Navajo reservation in NE Arizona whose high school uses the same nickname?

  42. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Washington Redskins….founded by a racist and continuing to live up to his legacy.

    Way to go Dan. Somewhere bad, George Preston Marshall applauds your ignorance.

  43. What’s hilarious is the idea that Snyder is strong and not kowtowing.

    When asked why he fired former sidekick toady Vinny Cerrato, Snyder said it was because Vinny didn’t stop him from doing stupid personnel things (true story, it was in Washington Post). So apparently he WANTS to be told what to do, at least when he finds out later he wad wrong and needs someone to blame.

    Snyder is not only a terrible owner, he is a miserable human being.

  44. Snyder did NOT say that the Redskins will never change their name.

    He said that “we” (ambiguous as between team — which Snyder is in no position to speak for forever, eh? — and Snyder’s ownership group) will never change the name.

    He’s just begging for karma: maybe a casino-rich coalition of tribes looking from some non-gambling investment to buy the team from him, then change the name.

    Snyder’s statement would be literally correct, but the Redskins name would still get changed.

    Well, maybe. If some tribes bought the team and didn’t change the name, then I suspect that would be the end of that.

  45. Unless you own the team, NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE, cares what you think. He can call the team the Jungle Bunnies, the Spooks, the Chinks, or the Acme Plumbers if he wants. If people don’t like the name, they don’t have to patronize his business. I’m no Snyder fan, per se, but I absolutely support his right to tell the people who are offended by his team’s name to F-OFF.

  46. From the comnents above, if he wanted to call his team the Washington Ni–ers it would be ok because:

    a) its his team
    b) this is america

  47. Personally speaking, it irritates me to no end that the Vikings get away with glorifying the Scandanavians, which puts those of us descended from Europeans from further down the continent (Scotland) at a distinct disadvantage. Then there’s the fact that so many non-whites have to play under that blonde haired logo. Utterly disgraceful! Something should be done immediately to terminate this travesty. We just can’t have it.

    TIC.

  48. To me, it’s a real statement on American ignorance that more people don’t find the name “Redskins” offensive. No, I’m not a Native American, I just think it’s poor taste to have the name of the team representing the nation’s capitol be such a crass term to represent the indigenous people that our very own Federal Government massacred to the tune of a hundred million through the course of our history.

    Maybe Snyder can get a soccer club based out of Berlin and call them the Penny Pinchers or the Dradle Spinners, and I’m sure everyone will be okay with it.

    And it really is sad that the biggest impact we’ve allowed Native Americans in our society is “mascot”.

  49. Good man! Don’t give into the new culture of political correctness. First RG3 and now this… I’m quickly becoming a Skins fan.

  50. The only reason the name still exists is because native americans are such a small segment of the total population. It’s a derogatory, racist name but they don’t have enough influence to get it changed. White people probably never even think twice about it.

  51. tell em dan..never in caps! lol.. and I hate those mf after we whooped the ginas..are classic..im wit u bro..httr

  52. “Native Americans” is actually very offensive…. it implies that a whole race of people didn’t know who they were or what land they lived on until European explorers told them.

    I am sure Native people are aware of this and have their own term “Native _______” where “_____” is the term they use for the land we now live on.

    I would urge you to discontinue using this offensive term.

  53. Guess what little Danny boy if the Supreme Court deems it racist then the name gets changed. I don’t really care about the name but Snyder is an un likable little PUTZ with an aura of bad karma.

  54. therealbobjenkins-There were never 100-million Native Americans alive, much less killed. But don’t let me use reality to confuse you in your fantasy world.

  55. “Regardless, it’s Snyder’s team and he can call it whatever he wants. ”
    No, he can’t, that’s just utter and total bs. He couldn’t, for instance, call them the N-words, and the issue is, that’s what many Native Americans consider the word Redskin equivalent to. Plenty of room for argument even within the NA community on the issue, but NO, he can’t call his team whatever he wants. That’s moronic.

  56. He may say this with all attendant bravado but the dude owns the domain name ‘Washington Warriors’ just in case. Don’t believe me? Look it up!

  57. exactly right Stiller43

    I don’t understand how any POC can support a team that does have a clearly racist name simply because it isn’t a slur on their own particular race. If Snyder had balls and thinks this name is proper then he should support the name Washington Ni**ers because that is what the Washington Redskins name is, just to a different group of people.

    Just because it’s always been done a certain way doesn’t mean it’s correct.

  58. therealbobjenkins says: May 9, 2013 8:17 PM

    To me, it’s a real statement on American ignorance that more people don’t find the name “Redskins” offensive. No, I’m not a Native American, I just think it’s poor taste to have the name of the team representing the nation’s capitol be such a crass term to represent the indigenous people that our very own Federal Government massacred to the tune of a hundred million through the course of our history.

    Maybe Snyder can get a soccer club based out of Berlin and call them the Penny Pinchers or the Dradle Spinners, and I’m sure everyone will be okay with it.

    And it really is sad that the biggest impact we’ve allowed Native Americans in our society is “mascot”.
    __________________________________

    That is the biggest,stinkingest pile of steaming monkey crap I have ever seen or smelled!!!!

  59. If Native Americans don’t like the name, they can A). Root for the Cowboys, or B) earn a billion dollars, buy the team & change the name

  60. If Native Americans don’t like the name, they can A). Root for the Cowboys, or B) earn a billion dollars, buy the team & change the name.
    You are an idiot sir.

  61. Any way you look at it the name us a RACIST term for native Americans. It’s not politically correct its a racist term. No different than using the “n” word or cracker or any other racist term.

  62. The name Redskins is an homage to Native Americans. NA’ s used the term amongst each other as a term of endearment. They called white people “white skins”. This was not a problem for natives or white people, the few natives that have complained don´t know the history and their motives are suspect.

  63. Amazing! Snyder did and said something correctly. The REDSKINS have been the REDSKINS for over 80 years. WTF where all these bleeding hearts that want the name changed 80 years ago? This story about the name change is the poster boy for beating a dead horse.

  64. Maybe if there was actually an indigenous population left to conduct a census with, we could have some idea of how many innocent people were slaughtered fulfilling our nation’s Manifest Destiny. And yes, Native Americans have been protesting the use of their image in professional sports for years, but it’s their fault no one ever pays attention to them.

    And hey, bagging on me for being uninformed or liberal or whatever else, only furthers my point about Americans and their ignorance level, so thanks for your participation.

  65. Can’t speak for anyone else, but I hate political “correctness.”
    If Redskins is racist, depicting Native Americans in a bad light, so is Chiefs.
    Does “Patriots” depict our forefathers in a negative light?
    Personally, I quake in fear at the specter of the Dolphins.
    Please, this is a non-story. There are real issues to ‘bang the drums’ about…..oh no! Can I use that expression, or is it racist as well?

  66. I just got done watching a movie called “White Chicks” followed by one called “White men can’t jump” and I now wonder who is a racist?
    And as for @ andrejohnsonforpresident says: May 9, 2013 6:51 PM

    “Regardless, it’s Snyder’s team and he can call it whatever he wants. Absent real and compelling political, legal, or economic pressure, the Redskins will continue to be the Redskins.”

    Bingo, this is gonna happen eventually. Sounds more like a last hurrah by an owner who wants to save face with the people who make him rich.
    ————————————————————-
    So he bought a team to make him rich, is that it? Look up the price of a franchise pal, he was doing pretty good before football.

  67. The name will never change. The song says “Hail To the Redskins” for a reason, it’s not to bash or discriminate against Native Americans, it’s to give praise. HTTR

  68. If Native Americans don’t like the name, they can A). Root for the Cowboys, or B) earn a billion dollars, buy the team & change the name

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    Thanks for checking Ted Nugent!

  69. I hate the giants but I don’t spend time trolling there blogs spewing my hate. Some people really need a better grip.

    Redskins is fine with me too mr Snyder

  70. How is it that you politically correct losers can sit around and disparage him with the epithet “rich white guy”? You left wing losers are the real racists.

  71. If the indians want to name a team – white skins. – I am all for it. They havn’t done much in the last 100 years anyway except buy land and create untaxed casinoes.

  72. goodness, apparently everyone who posts on this website is offended AND Native American…. oh, nevermind, you’re all just a bunch of white people with an AXE to grind…

  73. Well, if one is looking for racism they can find it in anything they want. I look at the logo on the helmet and I don’t see racism. I see a native American projecting strength. Same with the old arrow logo. if I wanted to find racism in a gallon of milk I could think of something. This Dallas fan supports Synder 100%.

  74. my previous response was tongue-in-cheek, but this is my official stance: when Native Americans speak up in a majority and vote that the name is offensive, then by all means, change it to the Washington Powhatans (the local tribe). Until then, I’m sick of hearing White peoples opinion on something that has previously been overwhelmingly voted as “NOT OFFENSIVE” by the people it is supposed to offend.

  75. Thats the only good thing he has said and done, don’t succumb to the jerk offs that think you should change the name.

  76. Dan Synder, the latest in a long line of racist owners of the Washington franchise whose nickname is an ethnic slur.

  77. I remember when this controversy hit Stanford ‘s football team, the Stanford Indians. I always thought schools & nfl chose names representing strength, determination, fierce competition, even wild animals.The Stanford name change was disappointing to me, a man in his 50’s of Navaho descent. They were cool t-shirts. I didn’t think it was a big deal. Jim Plunkett , Native American nfl star played for the Stanford Indians, I wonder what he thinks about all this? I can see how some could find “Redskins” offensive, picking other colors could start trouble too…I see this as a press-manufactured controversy that won’t snowball into anything.

  78. Remember the old saying “Sticks and Stones may break my bone, but words will never hurt me”? What happened to that attitude. Words have meaning in context. The word Redskin has changed meaning over time. At one point in time it was offensive and derogatory. It was that way because people intended it to be. At other times it wasn’t used as an offensive word. In this day and age though, who uses it to offend? The Redskins obviously don’t use it to offend or to disparage, so why would someone take offense to it? This is the problem with society today. Not only do people let words hurt them, but they let words of era’s bygone to hurt them too. How many native american’s are still alive that actually lived during the time when Redskin was used offensively? It is absolutely ridiculous to be offended by a word that you’ve never been called within a negative context just because at one point in time it was used that way. Especially when the word isn’t being used in a way to offend.

  79. “At a time when the Redskins are receiving more pressure than ever to change their name”
    __________
    More like “at a time when more articles are being released on PFT and more impotent DC politicians are using a cause they don’t actually care about to gain attract media buzz.”

    To pretend like this wave of caring is anything but self-centered attention seeking is simply dishonest.

    And regardless of how you feel about the issue, the really offensive thing is how the writers here feel like the have to be the sole engine of social change for Natives.

    If Native groups really wanted to make a big deal out of the nickname, they would. And the fact that the media, especially the writers employed here, seem to feel like Natives are somehow incapable of speaking out; having their voices heard; or advocating for themselves: and that sportswriters are the only ones who can do it; is not only arrogant, but far more belittling than anything one could construe from Washington’s team name or logo.

  80. There was a poll among some of the Native American tribes in the Washington D.C. area, and what the people who conducted the survey found was that something like 80% of them were just fine with the name. There is no reason to change it. If Snyder does that would be completely because of “White Man’s Guilt.”

  81. It is not racism. Those of you in the PC crowd are profoundly ignorant. Stop playing the race card. Realize that your own life is lacking, lacking because you dwell in the issue of race, instead of investing your talents in a productive manner You believe that all others must pay homage,to you in some fashion. You are wrong. This world has more than 150 countries, many many different races, cultures, languages, etc. Take your talents, knowledge, skills, and abilities and invest in your future for your families, communities, self and America.

  82. None of y’all using the term “PC” actually understand what it means. An action is only “politically correct” if it is done to gain political advantage. I think the name should be changed simply because it is the right thing to do. I’m not a politician. I don’t gain anything by taking this stance. So how am I being “PC” by advocating this?

    Don’t answer, it’s a rhetorical question…

  83. @apeman

    the political correctness that you desperately try to distance yourself from is inside your statement “the right thing to do”. Why is it the right thing to do????
    The PC movement is a political movement in this country. Just ask Jessee “give me money Jackson”, the apologists at pft, the list is unnecessarily longer than needs to be, etc…

    Hail to the Redskins

  84. ganja4all says:
    May 10, 2013 10:58 AM
    It is not racism. Those of you in the PC crowd are profoundly ignorant. Stop playing the race card. Realize that your own life is lacking, lacking because you dwell in the issue of race, instead of investing your talents in a productive manner You believe that all others must pay homage,to you in some fashion. You are wrong. This world has more than 150 countries, many many different races, cultures, languages, etc. Take your talents, knowledge, skills, and abilities and invest in your future for your families, communities, self and America.
    _______________

    Who’s profoundly ignorant?

    How does a different opinion than this poster’s, that the name is racist imply any of the following?

    “my own life is lacking” – my life celebrates diversity and respect for “all” others, this is a very rich experience.

    “instead of investing your talents in a productive manner You believe that all others must pay homage,to you in some fashion” – I don’t recall one comment or article or social media thread that discusses paying homage to Native Americans. Paying homage (look it up) is paying respect to someone or group. Isn’t asking for the name to be changed about stopping disrespect for the Native Americans with the use of this name? Personally, standing up against racism is one of the most productive processes a Human Being can ascribe to. Given that our fore fathers stated that “all men were created equal” isn’t ensuring equal treatment something we should all be called to do?

    Ignorance is certainly in abundance.

  85. apmn says:
    May 10, 2013 11:46 AM
    None of y’all using the term “PC” actually understand what it means. An action is only “politically correct” if it is done to gain political advantage. I think the name should be changed simply because it is the right thing to do. I’m not a politician. I don’t gain anything by taking this stance. So how am I being “PC” by advocating this?
    _________
    Your question is not rhetorical because your assumption is wrong. And I probably would have answered anyway. Also, when 99 people do something one way, and you do it a different way, they’re generally not the ones doing it wrong.

    Political correctness has nothing to do with politics in the sense you mean it. PC-ness is a set of guidlelines for position-neutral terminology for use in government. Political correctness is why the census counts me as “African-American”, not “black”, even though I am American by birth, and no one in my family has ever even been to Africa.

    Same reason we talk about “Police Officers”, “Mail carriers”, and “Firefighters”, rather than Policemen, Mailmen, and Firemen.

    And I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s wrong, that’s just what PC is.

  86. ganja4all says:
    May 10, 2013 10:58 AM
    It is not racism. Those of you in the PC crowd are profoundly ignorant. Stop playing the race card. … You are wrong. This world has more than 150 countries, many many different races, cultures, languages, etc. Take your talents, knowledge, skills, and abilities and invest in your future for your families, communities, self and America.
    _______________
    bunkmcnulty says:
    May 10, 2013 2:26 PM
    Who’s profoundly ignorant?

    How does a different opinion than this poster’s, that the name is racist imply any of the following?

    __________
    bunkmcnulty- Though I disagree with you, you’re certainly not wrong, and I think the disagreement is due to ganja4all phrasing his point badly. I think what he meant to say was twofold.

    First, that focusing on what is offensive to this group or that group and trying to seek out racism wherever it may exist is not a productive way to live and may serve to divide us more than it unites us. Which is to say that I think all of us are decent people and don’t approve of racism per se, but that trying to find and fix “racism” that isn’t actually bothering anyone just serves to eemind us all and emphasize that there are differences between us.

    Secondly, that supporting the logo is not racist. No one here is arguing “Yeah, I’m a racist, that’s why I love the team name.” Those who support the name “Redskins” are merely expressing their beliefs that the name is either not racist.

  87. @thirdistheword

    You at least have a cohesive thought (many) and I do appreciate that. But we’ll disagree.

    You see, if I read between ganja4all’s phrasing, I see thinking symptomatic of racism. The use of the words “race card” and jumping to the conclusion that removal of a (disputed) racist name is somehow “paying homage” to Native Americans sounds like the rantings of someone offended that other races may have some claim to being offended or hurt. How dare they! Just go out and be productive and stop worrying about if I am offending you. I’m offended by the arrogance of that type of thinking.

    This is typical thinking of people who are very narrow minded and think that eliminating injustice for those oppressed somehow lessens their own role if they are in a majority. That’s a fancy way of defining fear.

    And for the 2 cents worth on Political Correctness, why would anyone want to defend the use of a word that could be offensive to a particular group. I believe you describe yourself as a black person. I don’t believe you would want white american defining what is offensive to you as a black man. I laugh at all these people pointing to 80% of people not wanting this name changed. Frankly, I will discount every vote of someone who is not native american. Only Native Americans should not have the right to say whether it is offensive.

    I shake my head because somehow society is confusing being PC with good old fashioned civility and grace, and treating “all” people respectfully. That not some recent values for spin as in your position neutral definition. It’s how people who believe in equality are taught to treat others.

    I am surprised how “fandom” really clouds the thinking of people.

  88. It’s ridiculous how people can have absolutely no empathy or even sympathy for a people who were the original inhabitants of the place we call “our home.” It’s deplorable.

  89. @bunkmcnulty says: May 10, 2013 4:04 PM

    Truth is, I didn’t really understand what ganja4all was saying (maybe he should divvy out more “all” and less for him), I was just looking for a good place to stick my point of view in. I think what he was getting at with the whole “race card/paying homage thing” is that sometimes people take up social causes to make themselves feel more self-important. Like that whole “Oh look at how much I care about stuff! See, I just changed my profile picture so everyone can see how much I care about stuff!” demographic.

    Secondly, forget that stupid 80% number, the only poll that actually matter is the 2004 Annenberg survey. Only polling Natives, with a sample size 200% greater than most Gallup Polls, they found that 92% approved or were not bothered by the Redskins name.

    And I don’t have room for it here, but I’m about to shut this whole debate down.

  90. bunkmcnulty says: May 10, 2013 4:04 PM
    Frankly, I will discount every vote of someone who is not native american. Only Native Americans should not have the right to say whether it is offensive.
    ____
    Best point made on this page so far.

    Everyone should Google “Native American Chief Talks About Redskins”. If PFT would post that, the whole issue could be over. Unfortunately, there’s way too much money in non-Natives BSing around on the internet.
    Choice quotes:
    ““People are speaking for Native Americans that aren’t Native American…we had a big problem with all the things that were coming out [of the discussion]…they were basically saying that we were offended, our people were offended, and they were misrepresenting the Native American nation… Redskin’ isn’t something given to us by the white man or the blue eyes, it was something in the Native American community that was taken from us. [It’s] used also as a term of respect, because that’s how we were. We respected each other with that term… It’s not degrading in one bit and that’s why I sent you guys an email. It just bothered me that somebody would twist something so negatively when it’s a positive.”

    “[Much of the discussion over the Redskins name is led by non-Natives, and that makes me] Irritated. Irritated is a polite term to say… When you have people trying to represent our nation, you should be from our nation. Don’t represent our nation if you don’t even have an ounce of blood in you.”

    Well, I think that about wraps that up.

    Dodson certainly doesn’t speak for all Natives, but his opinion about who should be speaking for all Natives seems very conclusive.

    Goddamn, does anybody remember when this site was about football?

  91. If & when politicians ever try to force the Redskins owner to change the name, will they also tell him which name to change it to? I’d suggest “Overly Sensitive White People” but they would probably not go for it because it would make them sound less high and mighty.

    I could also suggest simply White Peoples (Whips, for short) or Palefaces, but I think the irony would be lost on them.

    As a Seahawks fan, the Redskins are a team I like to see lose in the playoffs, but much respect to Snyder for having a pair (sexist reference) and sticking to his guns (pacifist reference).

  92. thirdistheworrd says: May 10, 2013 6:29 PM
    “Don’t represent our nation if you don’t even have an ounce of blood in you.”
    ________
    Sick of all these zombies trying to speak for Native Americans. Nah seriously though, good point, and good on him. I just read the article, the dude is spot on. But it’s true this site won’t ever run a story on it- too much money stirring up internet arguments. Like Chief Dodson said: I got no right talking about this stuff. So I’ll leave yall with some other often ignored words of wissdom:
    when you argue on the internet, doeesn’t matter who wins- you’re both losers.

  93. I like how people didn’t originally realize he just f*ing killed the entire discussion. The story officially died. Redskins, that’s their name, see you for the next poll in 20 years, peace.

  94. I’ve heard the name used as a slur many times. And just because something “isn’t meant to be offensive” doesn’t make it less so. Also, those who say that Native Americans smeared themselves in red paint before going into battle don’t realize that this act only covers a couple of tribes. The name was given to Native Americans by whites. Native Americans don’t refer to themselves as such. I think the team should sit down, listen to what Native Americans have to say, and let them decide for themselves how they should be honored instead of them telling them what is and what isn’t racist. I’ve attended Native American conventions and I’ve heard enough to believe that the name should be changed. It has nothing to do with political correctness as it does with doing what’s right and respectful to a group of people who have been oppressed horribly since Europeans first came to America.

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