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Some Jags fans rally around decision not to sign Tebow

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Jaguars owner Shahid Khan was fascinated by the fascination with Tim Tebow.  Khan will need to find an even more dramatic term to describe his reaction to the new fan-based push against bringing Tebow to his hometown football team.

In response to recent efforts from White House petitioners and a publicity-seeking lawyer (yes, the firm actually asked us to run a link to its website in our story about the attorney’s pro-Tebow ad), a group of Jaguars fans have launched an effort to support the team’s decision to pass on a quarterback who can’t pass very well.

More than 528,000 clicks of supposed support have been registered at EvenIfHesReleased.com, a domain name based on G.M. Dave Caldwell’s door-slamming remarks about the prospect of signing Tebow.  Those comments came at a time when ESPN had reported it was a “virtual certainty” Tebow would play for the Jaguars in 2013.

“We are inspired to counter anything or anyone that chooses to attack or spread ignorance about our fan base,” John Caputo, president of Bold City Brigade, told Paul Kuharsky of ESPN.com.  “We aim to do it in a tasteful and tactful manner, which represents our mission and members.”

At the risk of becoming a target of this attack, there’s a problem with the website.  In order to see the current number of clicks supporting the team for not wanting Tebow, the visitor has to click the “I Support This Message” link on the front page of the site.  And the site allows multiple votes from the same computer browser, simply by refreshing the page after voting.

As a result, two of the clicks (actually, now three) have come from me.

While it’s hardly a scientific exercise, the sentiment meshes with the explanation provided by Mike Dempsey of 1010XL in Jacksonville on Wednesday’s PFT Live.  Dempsey explained that the Tebow push comes from casual fans or non-Jaguars fans who are smitten with the Tebow narrative, and that zealous Jaguars fans generally don’t want him.

“Obviously it’s frustrating to be constantly bombarded by the Tebowmania,” Caputo told Kuharsky.  “Many die-hard Jaguars fans feel ignored.  We feel like our voices are not heard because we tend to sit back and not do anything brash and in-your-face.

“The media knows what sells. If a petition started by a random guy in New Jersey that isn’t even a Jaguars fan can get that much attention, then obviously we are fighting an uphill battle.  The website is our way of saying to the national media: ‘You want something brash.  Well then, here.'”

Still, the story has been a story because the Jaguars wanted Tebow last year, when he was traded by the Broncos and picked the Jets over the Jaguars.  That failed effort to get Tebow necessarily made his possible return home a story in 2013.  Now that Tebow is available barely a year after the Jaguars wanted him, it’s understandable for some fans to want him this year.

Especially when the current options at quarterback aren’t all that fascinating.

Fundamentally, that’s the problem.  The Jaguars have given the national media nothing to talk about in recent years.  So when one of the most talked-about players in football hails from Jacksonville and when the Jaguars actually wanted to acquire him a year ago and when the franchise is in the midst of a full-blown turnaround after a 2-14, the Tebow story is the only story that sells.

Indeed, the story about the flawed anti-Tebow website is a story only because it relates to Tebow.

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68 Responses to “Some Jags fans rally around decision not to sign Tebow”
  1. gloryfromheaven says: May 9, 2013 7:28 PM

    Like for Tebow

    Dislike for Tebow

  2. corchamp says: May 9, 2013 7:33 PM

    i actually voted 70,417 times

  3. strokeytheclown says: May 9, 2013 7:33 PM

    For the benefit of all NFL fans around the world, F¥€K TIM TEBOW!!!!! Good god people, get over it! Until he has a really serious reality check, he will never play in the NFL again!

  4. mowerguyjags says: May 9, 2013 7:33 PM

    Wow, was just logging to send this to you.
    Kind of offsets the number of signers to the Whitehouse thing before it was taken down.

    Hope this is considered the final word.

  5. shadcan says: May 9, 2013 7:37 PM

    “Still, the story has been a story because the Jaguars wanted Tebow last year”
    Yes, by people who are no longer employed by the team. Yes I know Khan asked them to pull the trigger but it’s evident where he stands now.

  6. jjj1999 says: May 9, 2013 7:39 PM

    I dont want my team selling out I want them to win actual football games.

  7. packfaninvikeland says: May 9, 2013 7:39 PM

    Will be interesting to see what will be accepted in the NFL first. An openly gay player or Tim Tebow?

  8. nyyjetsknicks says: May 9, 2013 7:40 PM

    There are 32 NFL teams. Take away the Jets and we are left with 31 NFL teams. Each team is allowed to have 90 players in the off season. 31 x 90 = 2,790. There is plenty of room for players that teams feel can help them win games. The fact that he can be signed for the minimum and is a free agent speaks volumes.

  9. bonniebengal says: May 9, 2013 7:42 PM

    You know what, this is a nice young man who hasn’t murdered anyone, killed anyone with his car, raped anyone, hit anyone, had any gun charges, etc. etc. etc. Yet he gets more hate than the players who do!

  10. rr2000k says: May 9, 2013 7:47 PM

    Just some? Do that town watch football?

  11. lowerprovidencewarriors says: May 9, 2013 7:47 PM

    Mike Vick kills dogs for sadistic profit, as well as two otherwise fine coaching commitments, and he remains employed. Tebow runs harder, leads, and wins more meaningful games, yet can’t get a job. How is this not just another reflection upon the leftist, liberal peonization of the ordinary American condition?

  12. nyyjetsknicks says: May 9, 2013 7:47 PM

    packfaninvikeland says:
    May 9, 2013 7:39 PM
    Will be interesting to see what will be accepted in the NFL first. An openly gay player or Tim Tebow?

    __________________

    Exactly! I can’t believe the only religious person in the NFL was cut.

    PS: The difference between Tebow and the Jason Collins of the world is simple. Jason Collin’s was born gay. Tebow is choosing to believe in fairy tales/ignore science.

  13. deucedropper says: May 9, 2013 7:48 PM

    The word “Tebow” was used 15 times in this article. Coincidentally, this figure also represents:

    a) his jersey number
    b) his QB rating
    c) the minutes of fame that have elapsed on the “Tebow Time” clock

  14. northshorejag says: May 9, 2013 7:48 PM

    PFT – Post For Tebow

    An entire site for Tebow bashing.

    Yes I know Tebow did nothing and really says nothing in public. And spends much of his time with kids in the hospital, but he thinks he’s a quarter back ands that’s where we draw the line

  15. gloryfromheaven says: May 9, 2013 7:48 PM

    @nyyjetsknicks, you forgot the Jaguars and Broncos as well. Plus, he’s only willing to play QB. So if u do the math, there are only 115-125 players trying out for that position only…

  16. adenaguy says: May 9, 2013 7:49 PM

    packfaninvikeland says:
    May 9, 2013 7:39 PM
    Will be interesting to see what will be accepted in the NFL first. An openly gay player or Tim Tebow?

    If Tebow all of a sudden comes out openly gay, I do believe I’ll %$#@$ all over myself. And he will be playing somewhere in the NFL this year.

  17. liongator says: May 9, 2013 7:50 PM

    2-14…apparently beggars CAN be choosers. Will all three jags fans move to London with the team?

  18. reed20fence says: May 9, 2013 7:50 PM

    The day Tebow fans start also pushing for an openly gay player to be signed by the Jags is the day we’ll believe their support for Tebow has anything at all to do with football.

  19. northshorejag says: May 9, 2013 7:50 PM

    If he were a progressive it would be a conspiracy

    But he’s not so he’s just a crazy person

  20. mrplow3 says: May 9, 2013 7:50 PM

    “I dont want my team selling out I want them to win actual football games.”

    You won 2 football games last year, TWO!

    How exactly is keeping the same stiff QB responsible for that record a winning idea?

  21. i10east says: May 9, 2013 7:50 PM

    How come the Jax White House petition article was titled “Jacksonville fans” as if nearly all of the fans of Jax wants Tebow, and this article reads “Some Jags fans” like they are only a small amount of fans who don’t want Tebow. The propaganda machine continues…

  22. 13arod says: May 9, 2013 8:04 PM

    there are quarterbacks that aren’t as good as tebow like the browns the radiers the rams and the jags and they can’t sign him he would give anybody a big boost

  23. valentino8100 says: May 9, 2013 8:04 PM

    Congrats! Not only will you loose miserably with Gabbert, but your games will continue to be blacked out, and you can book your flights to L.A. any time now.

  24. commonsensedude says: May 9, 2013 8:06 PM

    With all due respect, north Florida, you guys are fans of the Jaguars. Do the math. Do you really think it’s possible for Tebow to make your team even worse?

  25. thenew013 says: May 9, 2013 8:06 PM

    Real fans root for the name on the front of the jersey, not the back.

  26. cliffclavicle says: May 9, 2013 8:10 PM

    Their loss. Tebow would INSTANTLY be the best QB on their roster (Chad Henne…lol): a proven leader with a nose for the end zone and a proven ability to win games. But hey, if Jaguar fans really want to waste their time and money watching Gabbert and Henne fopping around like the losers they are, be my guest.

  27. drunkenagitator says: May 9, 2013 8:21 PM

    Blaine Gabbert: A terrible QB who had no business being selected anywhere near the first round of the draft, a proven loser.

    Chad Henne: Born to hold a clipboard, an “emergency” QB at best.

    Tim Tebow: A born winner with a national championship and a Heisman, plus one more playoff win than Gabbert or Henne will ever have.

    This is why Jax is a joke franchise, the Jests too. Tebow would put butts in the seats, generate interest and win games. Simple as that. He’s better than at least 8-10 current NFL starters, at least.

  28. kennymooseandgoose says: May 9, 2013 8:27 PM

    Quote: “A 4 or 5 win season would be fantastic!”

    What?

    So a 4-12 record would be fantastic? Really? I understand rebuilding, but 4 wins is not a turnaround. The Jaguars were well within striking distance last year of 4-12 after some narrow losses, and the result was a CLEANED HOUSE. Now suddenly what would be virtually the same thing would be “fantastic.” Who is he speaking for?

  29. deezenucks says: May 9, 2013 8:32 PM

    I love this, 500k votes compared to the 300, I think the answer is obvious, all you armchair gm’s can pound sand. And good for them for finally standing up, for far to long people just spew the same tired recycled garbage comments about the Jags they hear elsewhere like they know anything about the Jags. Ya we get it, were not a team with history like the Steelers, Packers, Pats, and quite frankly I don’t care, but thanks for all the publicity this off season! I know one thing for sure, Id take Kahn over JJ all day every day.

  30. tomtravis76 says: May 9, 2013 8:33 PM

    This is why I stopped watching espn. If Tebow gets picked up by a team, good for him, if not who cares.

    Please stop with the Tebow tmz gossip stories everyday. Let the football people make the best decisions for their respective franchises.

  31. shackdelrio says: May 9, 2013 8:34 PM

    “drunkenagitator says: May 9, 2013 8:21 PM

    Tebow would put butts in the seats, generate interest and win games. Simple as that. He’s better than at least 8-10 current NFL starters, at least”

    How are we supposed to deal with people that refuse to accept reality?

  32. sterilizecromartie says: May 9, 2013 8:36 PM

    Well said drunkenagitator. You forgot to mention that Gabbert also soils himself at the sight of a blitz.

    I still can’t believe that an actual NFL GM thinks that Gabbert or Henne give the Jags a better chance to win than Tebow. I can’t believe it. How is this guy a GM for a professional sports team?

  33. sean6886 says: May 9, 2013 8:45 PM

    Is Timmy paying you to write these articles so his name stays in the media, kinda like when Brett Favre did?

  34. toonloonboon says: May 9, 2013 8:47 PM

    do it shaka khan

  35. section112 says: May 9, 2013 8:48 PM

    @valentino8100…crawl back under your rock…you have lost all credibility with your post…blackouts…blackouts…really ??? Where have you been ?? No blackouts in 3 years !!!!!

  36. borisbulldog says: May 9, 2013 8:54 PM

    I agree with Mr Caputo that Tebow isn’t the answer in JAX, but sadly neither is Gabbert!

  37. swagjag says: May 9, 2013 9:04 PM

    Never thought I’d miss the Favre retirement update posts. But man do I long for those days. Oh.. and @lowerprovidence.. it isn’t liberal or leftist. He just sucks at QB.

  38. drunkenagitator says: May 9, 2013 9:13 PM

    shackdelrio: The “reality” is right there in the W-L record for all to see. Tebow is flat-out better than any other Jax QB, fact. Likewise Jets, Bills, Browns, Vikings, Cards. A clear upgrade for at least 6 teams. NFL fans are 75% nitwits who just parrot whatever they read.

  39. kingofalldomains says: May 9, 2013 9:17 PM

    Last Time

    The simple fact is none of the Tebow haters or Tebow lovers know anything about Tebow,
    and they know as much about throwing mechanics as they do about auto mechanics which is probably zero.
    The only thing anybody here has ever heard about Tebow is what they read from mostly “unnamed sources”.

    So lets assume you are now a NFL coach or manager and you didn’t know the name Tebow,
    and you got to look at the ACTUAL stats of a recent college player and evaluate them.

    Player A

    2006 Despite a backup Qb status Player A rushes for the 2nd most rushing yards on the team
    Plays in Championship game throws touchdown, Gators win Championship

    2007 Starting QB, sets all time college football records for most yards passing and rushing in history.
    Has 2nd highest passing QB rating ever recorded (171) in college.
    Wins the Heisman trophy as a Sophmore !
    Recieves the Dave O’ Brien award given annually to the best quarterback in the country.

    2008 Breaks all time rushing school record previously held by Emmitt Smith
    Leads Gators to a 12-1 record, then goes to National Championship and wins!
    Leads the Heisman Trophy award race with the most first place votes, ultimately finishing third
    after having already won the award the year before!

    2009 Rushes for his 51st touchdown, breaking the SEC record held by Herschel Walker
    Leads team to victory in the Sugar Bowl, passing for 482 yds and 4 touchdowns

    Player A sets college records for :

    Passing efficiency rating 171
    Completion Percentage 67%
    Passing touchdown to interception ratio 5.5
    Rushing yards by a Quarterback 2947 yards
    Rushing touchdowns IN ANY POSITION 57
    Player responsible for most touchdowns ever 145
    Record for most consecutive games with a throwing AND rushing touchdown 14
    Total touchdowns thrown in college 88
    Total interceptions thrown 15
    Total yards passing 9286

    Player A is picked in the first round of the draft

    A team widely expected to go maybe 2-14 throughout the year starts out at 1-4, change to Player A as QB
    Player A leads this team to the playoffs where they defeat the then much vaunted Pittsburgh Steelers
    Player A becomes the first quarterback in NFL history to rush for a touchdown in each of his first three career starts.

    Player A spends a wasted year with the NY Jets, being used as a “Punt Protector” and doesn’t complain!!
    All the while everybody with any football sense at all knows the starting NY Jet QB (Sanchez) sucks

    Player A now available as Free Agent !!

    YOU are now the NFL Coach….do You sign him, and give him a shot??

    If you said NO………Your %&%*&..plain and simple and that DOES go for current NFL coaches in need of a QB

    I am not a Tebow lover, but if I had the choice to choose this guy who doesn’t complain, isn’t in trouble with
    the law and just happens to set more college records than any other player in recent history and just wins,
    Your damn right I’m giving him a shot.

  40. spideysdog says: May 9, 2013 9:51 PM

    drunkenagitator,

    please expand on your 8-10 qbs Tebow is better then? please oh please name them for us .

  41. nathpz says: May 9, 2013 9:51 PM

    lowerprovidencewarriors says: May 9, 2013 7:47 PM

    Mike Vick kills dogs for sadistic profit, as well as two otherwise fine coaching commitments, and he remains employed. Tebow runs harder, leads, and wins more meaningful games, yet can’t get a job. How is this not just another reflection upon the leftist, liberal peonization of the ordinary American condition?
    ____

    Michael Vick is employed because he does his job well. Tebow isn’t because he doesn’t. That’s the capitalist, merit-based, American Dream at work, the same thing the rightist, conservative media argues America needs to be great.

    In other words, your comment makes no sense at all.

  42. spoonreck says: May 9, 2013 10:01 PM

    Just for all you know it alls the jaguars were 20th in attendance last year. The steelers, raiders, bucks and dolphins all had less attendance. Heck if you want him in Florida send him to the bucks they average 10k less a game.
    And if he is all that petition your team to sign him.

  43. abninf says: May 9, 2013 10:08 PM

    He would be a good backup for Chip Kelly’s offense. he would probably win more games than Vick. And Kelly is supposed to be the best coach in history.

  44. jagsfanugh says: May 9, 2013 10:11 PM

    No GM has signed him yet and he is free. Oh, and Caldwell has already stated they wouldn’t be interested in this guy. He sucks. If he was so great then a team would have snatched him up the first second he was free.

  45. shadowcell says: May 9, 2013 10:11 PM

    If Tebow did sign with Jacksonville, all these Tebow fans would come with him. But they wouldn’t be Jaguars fans, they would just be Tebow fans. And while Tebow was surrounded by talent in Denver, that would not be the case in Jacksonville–so he would not win and Jacksonville would look about the same this year as it did last year, because Jacksonville needs a lot more than a quarterback anyway. And all these Tebow fans will turn on the team like wolves. It’ll be all Gus Bradley’s fault, all David Caldwell’s fault, all Shad Khan’s fault, all the media’s fault, all the QB coach’s fault, all the other players’ fault, all the other Jacksonville fans’ fault, all the Evil Liberal Muslim Socialist Nazi Klingon Whatever Conspiracy’s fault, all Obama’s fault, but certainly not Tebow’s fault. And the Tebow fans will throw the whole team under the bus before ever admitting that maybe their guy just isn’t a very good quarterback.

    The Jags front office evidently can see that. Everyone can. You bring in Tebow and you have to bring in his fans. Look at the contempt they’ve got for the Jaguars right now. Why would you count on people like that? They’ll turn on the team at the first sign of things going wrong, and since the Jags need a whole lot of work, things will go wrong soon.

  46. contraisloosebuthole says: May 9, 2013 10:12 PM

    lowerprovidencewarriors says: May 9, 2013 7:47 PM

    Mike Vick kills dogs for sadistic profit, as well as two otherwise fine coaching commitments, and he remains employed. Tebow runs harder, leads, and wins more meaningful games, yet can’t get a job. How is this not just another reflection upon the leftist, liberal peonization of the ordinary American condition?
    _______________________
    So now it is the liberal’s fault Tebow cannot work in the NFL? Maybe he is not praying hard enough or to the correct God. Tell him to try Voodoo as it stands just as much of a chance of getting him into the NFL. If he had the talent to play he would make it. He does not have what it takes. Pretty simple really.

  47. liongator says: May 9, 2013 10:13 PM

    @valentino8100…crawl back under your rock…you have lost all credibility with your post…blackouts…blackouts…really ??? Where have you been ?? No blackouts in 3 years !!!!!

    my condolences, if I had to watch a team go 8-8, then 5-11, then 2-14 I’d drink until the sweet relief of blacking out.

  48. contraisloosebuthole says: May 9, 2013 10:17 PM

    All you people who think Tebow should play anywhere are crazy. 32 NFL GMs have spoken. The worst GM is a better talent evaluator than you are.

  49. j0esixpack says: May 9, 2013 10:20 PM

    Seems to me the Jags got nothing to lose in giving him a shot

    But forget about football – you really gotta give this lawyer credit for a well crafted and implemented strategy

    I’ve employed some fun “guerrilla marketing” myself in the past and appreciate a smart and yet unabashed self promoting populist campaign

    (and if any other lawyers want to retain ME to run similar unabashed self promoting populist campaigns – they can look to this unabashed self promoting guerrilla marketing specialist! ;-)

  50. bigbeefyd says: May 9, 2013 10:23 PM

    bonniebengal says:May 9, 2013 7:42 PM

    You know what, this is a nice young man who hasn’t murdered anyone, killed anyone with his car, raped anyone, hit anyone, had any gun charges, etc. etc. etc. Yet he gets more hate than the players who do!
    **********************************
    And yet, he wants to be an NFL QB. And he can’t pass his way out of a wet paper bag. This from a Broncos season ticket holder who high-fived his ass off when Tebow completed the pass to DT to beat the Steelers in the playoffs. If the kid would switch to TE he would probably be a Hall of Famer.

  51. bigdon76 says: May 9, 2013 10:28 PM

    Media keeping tebow from getting a job in the nfl.what a joke.have you seen him throw a football.thats what is keeping him from getting a job.

  52. culturalelitist says: May 9, 2013 10:45 PM

    Most teams who’ve ruled out signing Tebow cite the circus atmosphere that surrounds him. Said atmosphere is led largely by his rabid fans who put Tebow ahead of the game and the team. I’m no fan of the guy, but it’s strange that he’s a victim of his own popularity.

    Ironically, his best chance to land an NFL gig might be to pull a 180 and become an atheist.

  53. thraiderskin says: May 9, 2013 11:19 PM

    I don’t care what anyone says… The Jaguars are stupid for not exploring all options… Business or team wise.

  54. darius231974 says: May 9, 2013 11:23 PM

    Valentino80100
    It would help if u had any clue about what ur posting-if u say something about blackouts…at least get it right-some of the clowns that post on here are “so called” NFL fans

  55. liquidmuse says: May 9, 2013 11:53 PM

    Strokey—Tebow’s last 2 games were playoff games, he has a better QB rating & record than a few starting QBs, & was just named the most popular athlete for a 2nd year in a row…therefore him being unemployed is news. The haters have to get over it…

  56. andrewproughcfe says: May 10, 2013 12:20 AM

    >”Many die-hard Jaguars fans feel ignored.”

    What a crock of BS. Maybe some of those “die-hard” fans should actually, you know, buy a ticket and go to the game.

    Three-quarter empty stadiums and local blackouts don’t make your case for you very well. And the only reason Khan hasn’t offered Tebow a contract is because he wants to get run out of town and get the new stadium in Los Angeles before the Dolphins grab it.

  57. steelbreeze676 says: May 10, 2013 12:27 AM

    I actually don’t think the NFL desperately needs to help it’s image.

    And it certainly doesn’t need to start playing people based on their religion instead of ability.

    Good grief.

  58. mungman69 says: May 10, 2013 1:00 AM

    He can’t play quarterback so who would want him. Go get some more speaking engagements Tim. That’s where your money is.

  59. kingpel says: May 10, 2013 2:53 AM

    I’m sorry but these Jacksonville fans are just being selfish. The Jaguars aren’t going to win ANYTHING this year, so let the rest of us enjoy your team being another Tim Tebow experiment. We need to know for certain that those miracle victories he racked up in Denver are just flukes and not some sort of divine intervention.

    If Tebow can lead this Jaguar team to the playoffs, then I am going to start going to church.

  60. goatcheez says: May 10, 2013 3:24 AM

    You guys… the Jags don’t like Gabbert or Henne either. They don’t like any of these QBs. They’re going QB in the draft next year, simple as that.

  61. marty2020 says: May 10, 2013 5:46 AM

    I live in Jacksonville and here is the truth:

    Most Jaguar fans do not want Tim Tebow. They don’t think he’s a good quarterback and they can’t stand his fans.

    And by the way, the Jaguars do not have a ticket selling problem. They haven’t had a blackout in several years. They sell more tickets per game than a dozen other NFL teams including the other two Florida based NFL teams.

  62. GenXJay says: May 10, 2013 6:02 AM

    Maybe he has bad breath.

  63. cchemi01 says: May 10, 2013 6:52 AM

    Ironically the biggest reason that Tebow will never play quarterback again (other than the fact he sucks) is that no GM wants to touch his personal fan base with a 10 ft pole.

  64. footballfan says: May 10, 2013 7:34 AM

    Nice to see that some football fans actually know a little about football.

  65. cdan374 says: May 10, 2013 8:00 AM

    The posts from the Tebowites are the exact reason why no team will sign him.

    It’s like Tinfoil Hats from Hell…

  66. section112 says: May 10, 2013 11:52 AM

    @drunkenagitator…as said by another poster, please expand on your list of 8-10 NFL QB’s that Tebow is better than right now…

    More info for you…
    you stated TT has a National Championship and a Heisman trophy, therefore should be a no brainer taht he should be playing right ??

    Well let me ask you this:

    Danny Wuerffel…National Championship & Heisman

    Geno Torreta…National Champion (89 & 91) and a Heisman Trophy winner

    More QB’s that won Heisman:

    Eric Crouch, Troy Smith, Chris Weinke, Andre Ware, Ty Detmer, Charlie Ward (smart and played b’ball), Jason White…………..
    do you see a pattern here ? These guys never made it in the NFL. Just because you are a Heisman winner or on a National Championship team, it DOES NOT automatically qualify you to be a NFL QB.

    I rest my case…….

  67. jimboslice1 says: May 10, 2013 12:11 PM

    You mean to tell me that Tebow and MJD running a spread option wouldn’t be an improvement over their current offense?

  68. dallascowboysdishingthereal says: May 10, 2013 10:02 PM

    I would say zealous Jags fans don’t know much about football. Why listen to them?

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