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Ravens suspected Reed had hip problem, Texans apparently didn’t

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There’s an intriguing post-script when it comes to the recent news that Texans safety Ed Reed needs hip surgery that could cause him to miss part of training camp.

We’re told that the Ravens, while not specifically aware of the extent of the problem, generally knew that Reed’s hip was bothering him.  The Texans apparently didn’t.

That said, the Baltimore injury reports reflect only a shoulder problem in 2012.  And the shoulder injury began to appear on the injury reports only after Reed blabbed about having a shoulder injury, which got the team fined for hiding it.  (And which prompted a fairly epic rant from the head coach.)

During my weekly visit with Nick Wright and John Lopez of SportsRadio 610 in Houston, the hosts played some sound from a doctor who was on the show Thursday.  Specifically, Dr. Kenneth First explained that Reed’s torn labrum wouldn’t have been detected via a physical or an X-ray.

This means that the Texans either didn’t ask Reed if his hip (or any joint) was bothering him, or the Texans asked and Reed didn’t disclose it.

“You’d have to tell me that he suddenly hurt himself playing badminton or volleyball in April,” First said.  (Or, perhaps, climbing out of a tank in February.)  “Most of the time you know you have a hip problem.  I just think that he probably knew he had a hip problem.  I wouldn’t be shocked if the Ravens knew he had a hip problem as he went through the season last year. . . .  You don’t tear your labrum just walking around.  You know there’s something wrong.”

Dr. First also explained that the surgery isn’t minor (contrary to the characterization from owner Bob McNair), and Dr. First believes that if this were happening with a key player on a big-market team, it would be a lot bigger deal.

Regardless of the market, it’s amazing that more hasn’t been said about Reed’s ability to sign a multi-year deal with the Texans despite a not-insignificant condition about which his new team didn’t know.  And if the Texans believe or suspect that Reed wasn’t completely candid about the situation, that could make for an awkward start to his tenure with the team.

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76 Responses to “Ravens suspected Reed had hip problem, Texans apparently didn’t”
  1. mdagnew1 says: May 17, 2013 11:25 AM

    Best front office in sports does it again…..

  2. joemontanawasthegreatest says: May 17, 2013 11:26 AM

    The Ravens aren’t stupid, the only player they publicly stated that they wanted back was Ellerbe.

  3. monsterscream says: May 17, 2013 11:35 AM

    the WIZARD of OZ.

  4. thesteelers says: May 17, 2013 11:35 AM

    LOL

  5. threedeep1998 says: May 17, 2013 11:35 AM

    That a tank?

  6. lks311 says: May 17, 2013 11:36 AM

    Ozzie Newsome
    #BestInClass

  7. overratedsteelerhater says: May 17, 2013 11:37 AM

    you could tell something was wrong.he only
    tackled in big games for last 2-3 years.good
    time to move him…

  8. supertheothers says: May 17, 2013 11:40 AM

    Ravens got them

  9. modellforprez says: May 17, 2013 11:43 AM

    Juneau as a stinky fan “Steelers” i have watched Edwin his whole career and know what this dude brings to the table and what he can do ability wise and i must say dude is a beast. people i talk to about pigskin always say aw ed is better than troy and ed is the best safety in the league and in history. and really im good with that i know his place how good he is and i tell them i like troy because he has good instintcs and other traits alotta guys dont have and their is no shame in having the 2nd best safety Although in Pittsburgh he is the best these fans Adore troy and most would never consider Ed. but i do and i always have. either way both are probably H.O.F.’s

  10. matt2calvin says: May 17, 2013 11:43 AM

    That’s OK.

    Stephen Tulloch is a better player anyway…

  11. bigperm33 says: May 17, 2013 11:44 AM

    The headline of this article is that the Ravens suspected Reed had a problem. You write in it, “We’re told” the Ravens knew he had a problem. yet, that information appears nowhere in this article. All the article has is a quote from a doctor who appeared on a radio show. And all that doctor does is speculate as to what the situation was.

  12. fin72 says: May 17, 2013 11:45 AM

    Most old people develop hip problems.

  13. zoxitic says: May 17, 2013 11:45 AM

    This is the point in which Houston jumps the shark. Enjoy your ride down.

  14. skoobyfl says: May 17, 2013 11:46 AM

    Damaged goods.

  15. officialgame says: May 17, 2013 11:49 AM

    The Raven didn’t get anybody the Texans did it to themselves. 85% of the NFL teams weren’t interested in Ed Reed because it was widely known he was near the end of the line. All the Texans had to do was watch recent tape of Reed compared to 3/4 years ago.

  16. albionhero says: May 17, 2013 11:49 AM

    The Ravens are looking smarter and smarter for letting Reed go now.

  17. crownofthehelmet says: May 17, 2013 11:51 AM

    “We’re told that the Ravens generally knew that Reed’s hip was bothering him.”

    What gave it away, the fact that he turtled-up everytime a hit was coming, leading to multiple hurdles?

  18. fukpittsburgh says: May 17, 2013 11:51 AM

    HANDS DOWN thee BEST free safety of all time. Wish he was still in purple even with the injury.

  19. gochargersgo says: May 17, 2013 11:55 AM

    Kinda confused as to how the Texans weren’t suspicious, considering Reed’s hip has been a problem for him for what, 4 years now? He considered retiring because of it the last few years.

  20. aftermath80 says: May 17, 2013 11:58 AM

    Im pretty sure All of Baltimore knew it too. And if the Texans had no idea they didnt do the research and just fell in love with the name Ed Reed.

  21. skinsfanwill says: May 17, 2013 12:00 PM

    modellforprez says: May 17, 2013 11:43 AM
    ******************************************
    The best safety in history was Sean Taylor. History was just short-lived for him. RIP!!!! Ed Reed can’t wear Sean Taylor’s jockstrap.

  22. buzzkill12 says: May 17, 2013 12:02 PM

    Ed Reed is a great player…just like Charles Woodson….they are getting football old and teams are getting younger. This is a product of an overpaid QB and the new draft caps. I personally believe that there should be a cap placed on the QB position, so that one person doesn’t eat up all the money other players should be getting paid. With one guy getting 1/4 the money teams are targeting younger players that are capped in the draft at certain levels. Makes absolute sense, but the NFLPA and their overpaid management couldn’t see through the trees figure this out. With every action this is a reaction, and this cap was supposed to pay veteran players more. If I was a veteran player I would be furious! of course except the QB’s lol

  23. damcmp says: May 17, 2013 12:09 PM

    Bob McNair is an idiot….listen to his radio interview just before he hired Wade Phillips and was contemplating firing Kubiak…hilarious…..and he backed Cushing in his pregnancy days and after the Texans sneaked into the playoffs he started talking like Jerry Jones……
    signed
    Live in Houston but can’t be a Texan fan

  24. Deb says: May 17, 2013 12:12 PM

    Ed Reed has had well-publicized injury issues for years. In some ways, he’s become the James Brown of football–hobbling away in the off season as though he can’t manage another down, then throwing off his cloak and running back to take another bow. If the Texans didn’t thoroughly review his medical records and question everything before signing this near 35-year-old to a multi-year contract, well … how silly of them.

  25. isphet71 says: May 17, 2013 12:17 PM

    Can’t have it both ways, dudes. Can’t refuse to disclose injuries then blame someone else for the damage you’ve sustained.

    Gotta wonder how the NFL can be held responsible for players’ health with cases like this.

  26. golfongrass311 says: May 17, 2013 12:20 PM

    Yes we all knew Ed had a hip injury that is old news, it was just a matter of him having surgery now or waiting until he retired to do it. with the contract that the Texans gave him I bet he figured now’s the time to get a few more years. Don’t worry Texan fan, he is an allPro. once he sat out the first 7 games and STILL LEAD THE NFL IN INT’s. he will be ready that’s what allpros do. You will love him Texans. Remember to shout REEEEEEEEEED when he makes amazing plays.

  27. crownofthehelmet says: May 17, 2013 12:26 PM

    Ravens FO is developing a bad rep: First they screwed Chicago on a draft-day trade in 2011, and now this sneakiness.

  28. sschmiggles says: May 17, 2013 12:33 PM

    Cheaters. Ravens are a shady organization.

  29. broncosnative says: May 17, 2013 12:34 PM

    Its funny how these analyst talk up the ravens just because they won the SB. All these excuses for the guys who left, making it seem like it didnt cripple the organization, they think every player the ravens drafted last month is gonna come in and play lights out. Come week one, we will see the real ravens when my broncos open up a can of whoop ass in revenge

  30. hummer53 says: May 17, 2013 12:35 PM

    Sounds fraudulent to me. Texans should void contract

  31. htown1035 says: May 17, 2013 12:44 PM

    You guys are aware that when he had the previous surgery in 2010 he did miss games on the PUP list and then had 8 INT’s in 10 games?

    Conveniently missed that part.

  32. southpaw2k says: May 17, 2013 12:47 PM

    crownofthehelmet says:
    May 17, 2013 12:26 PM
    Ravens FO is developing a bad rep: First they screwed Chicago on a draft-day trade in 2011, and now this sneakiness.

    ————————————————-

    Dude, the draft-day trade in 2011 was all Jerry Angelo’s fault. The Ravens had done everything that was expected of them that day to properly inform the league they had traded their pick to Chicago, but Jerry Angelo didn’t pick up the phone in time.

    When did it become cache for non-Ravens fans to find the most nonsensical ways to bash the team? Between the endless Ray Lewis comments (which, if anyone bothered to actually read the facts of the case, they’d realize there was no case against Ray Lewis), Joe Flacco’s contract, and the team rebuilding this offseason people just seem to want to find excuses to knock on the Ravens.

  33. bluenose1965 says: May 17, 2013 12:48 PM

    Bob McNair is an idiot….listen to his radio interview just before he hired Wade Phillips and was contemplating firing Kubiak…hilarious…..and he backed Cushing in his pregnancy days and after the Texans sneaked into the playoffs he started talking like Jerry Jones……
    signed
    Live in Houston but can’t be a Texan fan

    ____________________________________

    So which is it, bitter Oilers/Titans fan or bitter Cowboy fan?

    Bob McNair is anything but an idiot.

    The Texans have “sneaked” into the play-offs by week 14 in both 2011 and 2012. Not really sneaking, is it?

  34. buzzbeaubank says: May 17, 2013 12:52 PM

    crownofthehelmet says:May 17, 2013 12:26 PM

    Ravens FO is developing a bad rep: First they screwed Chicago on a draft-day trade in 2011, and now this sneakiness.
    ————————————–
    Can anyone remember when crownofthehelmet was correct about anything?

    “The Bears and Ravens agreed to a draft-day trade that involved the teams swapping first-round picks, with the Bears giving up a fourth-round selection to move up from the 29th slot to the 26th, where the Ravens were sitting. With approximately 2½ minutes remaining for the teams to consummate the trade officially with the league, the Ravens had followed the proper protocol, but the Bears had not.

    League rules stipulate both teams have to confirm a trade with the league to make a deal official.

    The Bears’ failure to inform the league of the trade led to the clock expiring, which forced the Ravens to pass on the 26th pick that they were trading to the Bears.”

  35. raqaiw says: May 17, 2013 12:54 PM

    Buyer beware.

  36. evrybdyhas1 says: May 17, 2013 12:54 PM

    Ed Reed WAS a HOF safety he is not getting younger, faster or healthier. Cannot blame him for wanting one more big pay day for his retirement and finding a team stupid enough to pay for it. How many defensive backs his age can really compete in the NFL.

  37. 23chameleons says: May 17, 2013 12:56 PM

    Everyone knew he’s had an issue with it for the last few years. No information that leads anyone to believe the Texans didn’t know it. But it’s been addressed and he should be back in time for camp. It’s a non-issue. Doesn’t anyone remember that the Texans 2nd round pick was a safety (DJ Swearinger)? Pair him up with Daniel Manning and sprinkle in “The Ballhawk” Ed Reed and it’s a pretty formidable safety group.

  38. barbasol11111111 says: May 17, 2013 1:05 PM

    I would think if you were signing an older player with a litany of nagging injuries over the last few years you’d run every test on him you could, but what do I know?

  39. ilovefoolsball says: May 17, 2013 1:22 PM

    Does Houston not qualify as a big market team?

    Isn’t it one of the largest cities in the country?

  40. htown1035 says: May 17, 2013 1:35 PM

    “He had a lengthy physical during that visit. Asked if the Texans expected Reed’s hip to be an issue, Kubiak said no.

    “We didn’t expect it, but it started bothering him,” Kubiak said. “He has had this issue on the other side before, so once it started happening, that’s when we got aggressive on what we need to do to get him ready to play the season.”

    McNair spoke highly of Reed’s mental toughness on Monday and compared the mentality of rookie receiver DeAndre Hopkins, the Texans’ first-round draft pick, to that of Reed. He also placed a timetable on the nine-time Pro Bowler’s recovery.

    “I think this was a minor procedure, and he’ll be ready once training camp starts, maybe the middle,” McNair said. “He doesn’t need as much (camp) as the other guys, so I think he’ll be OK.”

    In other words, he didn’t have any issues when he signed and only started having them afterwards.

  41. crownofthehelmet says: May 17, 2013 1:36 PM

    southpaw2k says:

    When did it become cache for non-Ravens fans to find the most nonsensical ways to bash the team? Between the endless Ray Lewis comments (which, if anyone bothered to actually read the facts of the case, they’d realize there was no case against Ray Lewis), Joe Flacco’s contract, and the team rebuilding this offseason people just seem to want to find excuses to knock on the Ravens.
    —————————————————–
    Answer: when Ray became involved with a murder, Flacco was paid a dumb contract, which lead to a rebuilding year.

  42. Nofoolnodrool says: May 17, 2013 1:39 PM

    You mean other than obstructing justice in a DOUBLE MURDER case? Besides that, Ray is a real peach. Maybe you could read the facts of that guilty plea some more and think about that.

    Dude anything related to the ravens is sketchy starting with Ray Lewis. Nothing they do surprises me….their motto what is fair for me is not fair for you…do as I say not as I do. Not a classy organization.

  43. immafubared says: May 17, 2013 1:40 PM

    Based on the story I assume they can’t negate the contract? I mean if he hid and injury isn’t that cheating?

  44. baltimoresnativeson says: May 17, 2013 1:44 PM

    Anybody with half a brain could see there was something wrong with him the past few years. Texans might not have known exactly what, but they had to know something. It’s a calculated risk on their part I think.

  45. mrbigass says: May 17, 2013 1:46 PM

    An older Ed Reed is better than most NFL safeties. If they get a couple years out of him then why not?

  46. lbcoach34 says: May 17, 2013 1:57 PM

    how do HIPPA rules apply to all this injury stuff in the NFL – (healthcare confidentiality)???

  47. eroschmidt says: May 17, 2013 1:58 PM

    ” Dr. First believes that if this were happening with a key player on a big-market team, it would be a lot bigger deal.”

    Huh?!!! Aren’t we talking about Ed and Houston? Am I just missing some heavy sarcasm?

  48. overratedsteelerhater says: May 17, 2013 2:12 PM

    ravens have only been i league 16 yrs,have 2 titles.lot of you people who trash ravens root for a team that has not won any..worry about your team and ravens will just kerep winning!!!
    [ did not cheat anyone reed was free to go]

  49. marty2020 says: May 17, 2013 2:59 PM

    “Dr. First believes that if this were happening with a key player on a big-market team, it would be a lot bigger deal.”

    Houston is not a big market?

  50. baltimoresnativeson says: May 17, 2013 3:13 PM

    If this were a trade maybe it can be voided. But Reed was a free agent. This was totally between Reed and the Texans. The Ravens actually had nothing to do with this transaction.

  51. moagecu says: May 17, 2013 3:18 PM

    Answer: when Ray became involved with a murder, Flacco was paid a dumb contract, which lead to a rebuilding year.

    So ray lewis being involved in a murder trial in 2000 led to a rebuilding year in 2013?

  52. Kariem says: May 17, 2013 3:21 PM

    And David Garrard hurt his knee climbing out of tanks as well, so he obviously deceived the Jets.

    Wasting our time and slandering a hall of famer with speculation.

  53. Joemontanaflacco says: May 17, 2013 3:23 PM

    “You mean other than obstructing justice in a DOUBLE MURDER case? Besides that, Ray is a real peach. Maybe you could read the facts of that guilty plea some more and think about that.”

    HOW MANY times do you have to be told that there was NO murder? The suspects in the Ray Lewis matter were found not guilty because the homicide was adjudicated to be self defense. Geez, it’s like dealing with some crazed Steeler fan who keeps going on an on about six rings as if anybody cared. Or a little child.

  54. polo550 says: May 17, 2013 3:26 PM

    skinsfanswill says:

    The best safety in history was Sean Taylor. History was just short-lived for him. RIP!!!! Ed Reed can’t wear Sean Taylor’s jockstrap.
    _________________________________
    RIP Sean Taylor but with that being said Sean Taylor wasn’t even better than Ed Reed at Miami. Where do these guys come from? I respect the Steelers fans for talking smack because up until last year they had the right to. But Redskins fans? Stop it. One good year since the 90’s and you try to talk smack? On top of that you were one and done in the playoffs. This guy is just as delusional as the logicalvoice guy that keeps saying that Garcon is a top 5 receiver or that London Fletcher is better than Ray Lewis. The Redskins organization must be passing out drugs to all of their fans.

  55. larrydavid7000 says: May 17, 2013 3:47 PM

    screw the Cleveland ravens.

  56. houbornhouraised says: May 17, 2013 3:53 PM

    “Dr. First believes that if this were happening with a key player on a big-market team, it would be a lot bigger deal.”

    Pretty sure Houston is one of the Top 5 biggest NFL Markets and Top 5 most valuable teams.

  57. opneon says: May 17, 2013 3:56 PM

    Reed and Pollard have been both been hobbling a round the field all year with all kinds of injuries – it’s not any big secret…so I was amazed at how much critism the Ravens took for letting them go. All you have to do is watch their games and read a little. Reed hasn’t been able to tackle decently for years (but still a great cover guy) and Bernard had 6 broken ribs that limited him during the SB…remember? I was shocked that Reed signed for years when he’s been talking about retirement for years. But I guess if someone is stupid enough to pay him (ie: The Texans).
    Or how dumb is Ozzie?…NOT!

  58. lovefootball4life says: May 17, 2013 4:17 PM

    The anti-Ravens comments on here are pretty funny. crown and nofool are really reaching this time for something to hate on. You have have to twist the facts to criticize the front office and get called out on it. When all else fails you drag Ray Lewis back into a conversation that started with Ed Reed and the Texans. Next up in the playbook are 6 Lombardi’s and Batch beat Ravens last year. You must be bored this afternoon.

    Here’s a fact. Raven’s front office was listed as the best by another news source. Steelers were ranked 7th. That’s pretty good guys, you should take it.

  59. Joemontanaflacco says: May 17, 2013 4:44 PM

    Steelers will be living in our shadow for many years to come. Face it. It’s the truth. We are the Superbowl Champions and the Steelers are the model of mediocrity.

  60. Nofoolnodrool says: May 17, 2013 4:50 PM

    Here’s a fact. Raven’s front office was listed as the best by another news source. Steelers were ranked 7th. That’s pretty good guys, you should take it.

    Right,….and you believe everything you read in the papers? You and Joe Faccid Montana still are children believing in the tooth fairy and Santa. No hate just the facts.

  61. scoobies05 says: May 17, 2013 4:59 PM

    let me see if i get this straight. team a chooses not to resign a player. team b signs player. team a is supposed say hey team b…he is injured. dont sign him. you trolls are fantastic

  62. tsuscrumhalf says: May 17, 2013 5:14 PM

    As a Ravens fan, the overwhelming majority of fans in my section have been saying for 2-3 seasons that Ed should retire. I’d still love to have him here. But we got younger and faster on the back end of the secondary. Ed’s knowledge is gonna help Houston. Not sure how much he has left. But I’ll always love me some Reeeeeeeeeeed! Hope he gets a standing o when he comes back here. Unique cat. Great player. Gonna miss that guy. But, that’s nfl life for ya.

  63. Nofoolnodrool says: May 17, 2013 5:16 PM

    let me see if i get this straight. team a chooses not to resign a player. team b signs player. team a is supposed say hey team b…he is injured. dont sign him. you trolls are fantastic

    If you think these trolls are fantastic come on over to a steeler thread and see Baltimores finest trolls in action…..now that’s tanfastic(sic)

  64. richabbs says: May 17, 2013 5:25 PM

    Geez, every Ravens fan knew Reed had shoulder and hip injuries just by watching him play.

  65. scoobies05 says: May 17, 2013 5:37 PM

    hey nofool. if they same publication had the steelers 1st im sure they would be spot on. nothing wrong with being 7th. but the steelers time on top is over for now

  66. theuglitruth says: May 17, 2013 5:42 PM

    Funny….Ozzie fans think this is some great move that makes his 2013 offseason a success. I have two words for those fans: Rolando McClain.

  67. fanofevilempire says: May 17, 2013 5:52 PM

    that is a tough one right there.

  68. scoobies05 says: May 17, 2013 7:28 PM

    loving steeler fans who constantly bring up ray(who was exonorated) yet ignore ben. the hypocrisy is staggering.

  69. roymunson1 says: May 17, 2013 7:33 PM

    Explains why Pagano/ Colts passed.

  70. SAV says: May 17, 2013 7:52 PM

    Ravens bolster themselves with Elvis and destroy the Broncos D making the Ravens beefy. Ravens give away an old crotchety Reed weakening the Texans and making themselves stronger grabbing matt Elam. Same thing with Bokdin to the Niners, solidified them with the slowest WR unit in the league. Ravens team is amazing. They get stronger and have a hand at depleteing the competition. That’s called good poker.

  71. Nofoolnodrool says: May 17, 2013 8:56 PM

    scoobies05 | May 17, 2013, 7:28 PM EDT
    loving steeler fans who constantly bring up ray(who was exonorated) yet ignore ben. the hypocrisy is staggering.

    Ray is a felon, plead to obstruction of justice trying to prevent the truth from coming out….two dead men….could be your brother…doesn’t matter go ravens… That’s your lemming mantra.

  72. Nofoolnodrool says: May 17, 2013 9:00 PM

    loving steeler fans who constantly bring up ray(who was exonorated) yet ignore ben. the hypocrisy is staggering.

    Wasn’t hypocrisy the colonist name for Baltimore?…..sorry rewriting history like the raven fans like to.

  73. marshmont says: May 17, 2013 9:11 PM

    reed is a total loser…(<<<ravens fan)..i hate his guts..he is finished as a competent player..i hope he is exposed in houston as the douschbag he is..so glad he is gone..we will hopefully end his career in baltimore this september..

  74. catgirl54 says: May 18, 2013 8:07 AM

    As a Ravens’ fan, I think this is pretty funny. In fact, I think it’s downright beautiful!

    marshmont should be fined for his inappropriate language and total disrespect of one of the greatest players in the NFL. Just sayin’.

  75. Marc2k6 says: May 18, 2013 12:56 PM

    Let’s face it Ed and Troy are gladiators on their last leg! I saw Ed not to long ago and he was walking like Fred Sandford!

  76. lovefootball4life says: May 18, 2013 3:53 PM

    Nofool, I don’t “read the papers” anymore. That ended about two decades ago. I didn’t need the article to make me believe it, I already knew it.

    Just wanted to reference an ranking prepared by an NFL Analyst who makes a living studying the NFL.

    I don’t believe in Santa or the tooth fairy so your facts are wrong. I see you are right back to using personal insults in blog comments.

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