Skip to content

Kraft thinks South Florida should “pitch in” to improve stadium

SunLife Getty Images

Later today, NFL owners will vote on the location for Super Bowl L.  (For those of you complaining about the use of the letter “L” to designate the 50th Super Bowl, do you forget that we’ve already endured a “Super Bowl XXX”?)  Then, the NFL owners will vote on the location for Super Bowl LI.

South Florida faces an uphill climb in both votes (one against San Franciscoclara, and then one against Houston, barring an upset win over San Franciscoclara) because the powers-that-be failed to secure public funding for upgrades at Sun Life Stadium.  The NFL’s “no Super Bowls without an improved stadium” threat/promise comes off as weak if the owners give South Florida a Super Bowl anyway.

One of the most influential owners believes that public money should have been used to renovate the stadium, even though he’s one of the only owners who built his stadium exclusively with private funds.

“If we’re doing Super Bowls, the community should pitch in,” Patriots owner Robert Kraft said, via Jarrett Bell of USA Today.

The point is that, when a city enters the Super Bowl rotation, the stadium becomes something more than the place where the local football team plays its games.  If the Super Bowl is coming to town once every five years (or, as it happened for Miami most recently, twice in the three-year window from February 2007 through February 2010), the stadium has a different level of value for the place where it’s located, because hosting a Super Bowl brings significant money and worldwide attention to the place where it is played.

Still, with the Marlins debacle and the current mood against what has been described persuasively as “welfare for billionaires,” the citizens and politicians have a hard time seeing the investment of public dollars as a benefit to the region.

Even if, you know, it is.

Permalink 85 Comments Feed for comments Latest Stories in: Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots, Rumor Mill, Top Stories
85 Responses to “Kraft thinks South Florida should “pitch in” to improve stadium”
  1. jimmyt says: May 21, 2013 11:22 AM

    Can’t stand him but he is right.

  2. otrd13 says: May 21, 2013 11:24 AM

    Public funds have no place in private investments of stadiums. They are billionaires and can take their own risks with their own money and joint venture partners or loans. Stop giving hand outs to these scumbags.

  3. mobuccsfan says: May 21, 2013 11:27 AM

    Kraft should shut up–and I hope he could build his own stadium with his own money. Damn Gillette being the best a man can get…how dare you. I love the Pro-glide razors, really, I do. But I keep buying new ones each time once the blades are no good because replacement blades cost too dang much; it is a joke. I don’t know if I follow why this is or not–but I hate it. I’m not Mario Williams–throwing around $800,000 for a damn ring. I work part-time, for little money. I’d like to enjoy at least a clean shave and look respectable. Maybe you can think about charging a fairer price for your products–not like you don’t make a killing of your football team or all of your other products…just saying. I should be able to buy four blades for $10 or less–they are blades for pete’s sake. SMH.

  4. fintastic13 says: May 21, 2013 11:28 AM

    Even as a fins fan it’s hard to find fault with his business acumen… The man’s “well oiled” franchise is second to none, in my opinion. The “business” side runs just as smoothly as the football side…

  5. sterling7 says: May 21, 2013 11:28 AM

    There are very few people who love both NFL and College football as much as I do. Having said that I still don’t see why we would help a bunch of billionaires pay for a stadium. They should take a page from Robert Kraft and use their own money-I can barely pay my own bills.

  6. alstottwastheman says: May 21, 2013 11:31 AM

    The citizens of South Florida should definitely pay more taxes to help bring the superbowl to Miami, which they won’t be able to attend anyway because of ticket prices. Sounds like a win win!

  7. sdchicken says: May 21, 2013 11:31 AM

    I have a great idea…how about your city pays for my stadium and in return I will give you an average football team, $20 parking, $10 beers, $8 nachos, and $125 cheap seats! Great Deal!

  8. cliffclavicle says: May 21, 2013 11:31 AM

    I “feel” that billionaire sports owners “should” “pitch in” to help us fans pay our bills. After all, what would the NFL be without our support? Sounds silly…right? Yet NFL fans swallow such garbage like the lapdogs they are when it comes to stadiums.

  9. mattytwoshoes says: May 21, 2013 11:32 AM

    Sorry Mr. Kraft. I have enormous respect for what you have brought to the New England franchise and our collective pride but I disagree on this one. NFL franchises are private businesses and as such, should be run as one. If the cities and state entities wish to give them tax breaks and other incentives for investments like they do for other industries, I’m fine with that. But private companies should pay for their own bricks and mortar. Might I suggest that a city/state share in the costs of “supporting” a Super Bowl with security and all the other things that go into supporting such an event and at the same time, share in the profits? That would be a fair trade off for the increase in commerce. The reality is that any entity not within a few blosks of the stadium or not in the hospitality industry really gets no benefit from sporting events. Why should they contribute if there is no profit sharing?

  10. jerseyshoregiant says: May 21, 2013 11:32 AM

    A Super Bowl doesn’t generate any revenue for the average tax payer.

  11. alstottwastheman says: May 21, 2013 11:36 AM

    It may benefit the region to hold a superbowl, but regions are not citizens. I live in Jersey, and believe it or not, I haven’t suddenly become wealthier after the announcement that the superbowl is coming here. Maybe the check from the NFL to thank me for my tax contributions for the new stadium just got lost in the mail.

  12. jshipolito says: May 21, 2013 11:36 AM

    “welfare for billionaires,” ….. not one penny will come out of my pocket.

  13. kluuuuuuuuug says: May 21, 2013 11:37 AM

    Ohhhhhhhhh thank you dear Mr. Kraft for putting on such a spectacle for us! What a clown. The league and teams make so much hand over fist on the SB it’s unreal. Why should public money be used when most of the people living in the area will reap little benefit? A good majority that attend are from out of town, and many vendors set up shop from out of town for a couple weeks to cash in. If anything the SB can be more annoying to locals as it interrupts their cities.

  14. bribob says: May 21, 2013 11:38 AM

    I take the complete opposite approach. If the area due to its weather and infrastructure is likely to hold super bowls as often as it has than it is hard to underestimate it’s strategic importance to the league. The league makes a fortune by having a stadium in Miami.

    This feeling of entitlement from owners in sports leagues has to stop. In an age where cities are broke and laying of teachers and cops we cannot spend tax payer money to subsidize millionaires and billionaires.

    And please, don’t give me the economic argument and say money invested just increases the local economy. First off the location is too important to the league and I doubt they would leave Miami anyway. Secondly much of the economic boon an NFL team generates is just entertainment spending by local residents who are likely to invest that same money in other local forms of entertainment if the NFL was not an option. And finally, and most importantly; if your goal is to use tax dollars to stimulate economic growth use those tax dollars to help lure businesses that will open branches and offer thousands of high paying jobs. The money contributed to the local economy by doing that massively outweighs the benefit of a franchise that employs 53 millionaires, and a billionaire who generally do not live full time in your town anyway.

  15. armoderate says: May 21, 2013 11:39 AM

    If public funds are used, then the local population should collect some of the revenues from regular games and a super bowl. You think the owners would go for that? Not. I know hotels and restaurants benefit during a super bowl, but does that really benefit the local taxpayer significantly? As far as super bowls, the only ones that truly benefit are the privileged class than can afford to attend. Let’s get real Kraft.

  16. jimjets says: May 21, 2013 11:40 AM

    I’d like to pitch in on Kraft….sure, these gazillionaires need more of our money to build them football stadiums they price us out of. sure they do Kraft.

    I heard your son has diabetes…cut him.

  17. d10ballfan says: May 21, 2013 11:43 AM

    Well I can understand Kraft’s point.

    The renovation of a stadium however is not just for one game. So, to have taxpayer dollars spent for just one Super Bowl is foolish.

    Maybe tax payers chip in a small %. The owner who gets all kinds of cash from the community can pay for it himself.

    These owners have truly and blindly been blackmailing taxpayers and local gov’t w/the threat of moving if they don’t get their stadium. As a Browns fan, I know the threat can turn real in a heartbeat. But, sooner or later there won’t be enough viable cities to take on these moving franchises.

    Hold your ground Florida legislators.

  18. DonRSD says: May 21, 2013 11:44 AM

    I live in SOuth Florida and dont want to have to pay a penny for the stadium upgrades or a new stadium.
    The stadium is located in MIAMI DADE COUNTY. Even though South Florida is all connected, I wont pay for something that is for MIAMI DADE.

    Plus if Im paying or it, give me free tickets.

    OH – you cant do that.
    Then I wont support your stadium voting process.

    Build it with your own money or leave town, I could care less & your pathetic fan base feels the same.

    GO BIG BLUE!!!

  19. denverdude7 says: May 21, 2013 11:47 AM

    “If we’re doing Super Bowls, the community should pitch in,” – Robert Kraft
    ————————————————-
    It’s time to put a stop to public funds being used like a personal piggy bank for NFL owners.

    Last time I checked, they weren’t the ones eating Ramen noodles and working 2 jobs just to survive.

    We, the fans are actually to blame here. We have allowed these billionaires to play us for fools. I for one am calling their bluffs from here on in.

    Threaten to move the team if you don’t get your brand new billion dollar playground? OK, adios. Don’t let the door hit you in the wallet on the way out.

  20. foranyoneover30 says: May 21, 2013 11:48 AM

    The problem is, anyone who is a fan of the either the NFL, NHL, MLB or NBA is still, in essence, giving “hand-outs” to billionaire scum-bags by buying tickets to their games and merchandise for your kids. It’ll never go away folks. Sad. ( By the way…why does it seem that Mr. Florio only seems to tie HIS name to storylines coming out of either the largest markets or teams from the south?? He relegates the rest of the teams stories to his lackies. This is supposed to be PRO FOOTBALL TALK, not Florio’s Favorite Cities football talk.)

  21. nfloracle says: May 21, 2013 11:48 AM

    Roman numerals are pretentious, stupid, and confusing in terms of identifying SuperBowls.

    When will the NFL wise up and start using regular numbers to keep track of SuperBowls?

    Really, probably 80% of the kids coming out of high school these days couldn’t count to ten with Roman numbers, much less have a clue as to what L signifies.

  22. nflpoker says: May 21, 2013 11:50 AM

    Easy for him to say. But, it is not his decision. Let him make a contribution if he wants the improvements so bad.

  23. drunkennupe says: May 21, 2013 11:50 AM

    State of Florida’s tax revenue comes from Sales Tax and Property Tax (No State Taxes in Florida). They are not interested in measures (Stadium Renovations) that will increase both revenue streams. Leave them alone.

  24. citizenstrange says: May 21, 2013 11:51 AM

    NFL teams should just put Salvation Army type donation buckets outside shopping malls and other businesses and that way average citizens could give billionaires as much money as they wanted. The Packers selling meaningless pieces of paper is kind of like this.

    Why won’t this plan work? Because the NFL billionaire owners don’t want just a few million dollars they want hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer money.

    The billionaire owners are not satisfied with the jaw dropping profits of multi-multi-billion dollar TV contracts, crazy exorbinant prices for ticket and luxury box sales, stadium naming rights, food and beverage sales, parking fees and a gazillion merchandise products. They want the taxpayers to pay their “fair share.”

    The billionaire NFL owners are greedy pigs at the trough who have no shame.

  25. rasalas says: May 21, 2013 11:53 AM

    Weird that you would mention that Robert Kraft is “one of the only owners who built his stadium exclusively with private funds” without noting that the stadium you are writing about — Sun Life Stadium — was the first NFL stadium built entirely with private funds. The Dolphins — via original owner Joe Robbie — don’t seem to be getting any credit for owning their stadium to begin with, while most teams have always played in publicly funded stadiums.

  26. ayoungandres says: May 21, 2013 11:53 AM

    I totally agree with him. It’s time the NFL stops losing money on the Superbowl. Everyone should sacrifice.

  27. drunkennupe says: May 21, 2013 11:53 AM

    What’s even funnier is….SoFla residents think that they actually have to pay for it out of the general tax revenue. The Governor and the Mayor basically wrote the deal so the people of Florida didn’t get shanghaied and they still didn’t let it go through.

  28. hehateme2 says: May 21, 2013 11:55 AM

    As much as this has been discussed, there are those who are still too stupid to understand that this money was coming from tourists and NOT the local taxpayers.

    So… keep on keeping on and spew misinformation.

  29. ken49ers says: May 21, 2013 12:18 PM

    Who cares what this guy thinks?

  30. 8drinkminimum says: May 21, 2013 12:22 PM

    On the other hand we do have a real double standard going on here.

    “No super bowls without an improved stadium”.

    Goodell’s original mnessage to Miami emphasized the need for a roof or something to keep the crowd dry in Feb. So he then proceeds to play the game in Jersey in an open air stadium. Got it.

  31. barbasol11111111 says: May 21, 2013 12:31 PM

    Only those who actually will profit should chip in: business owners, politicians, team owners etc

    Your average tax payer isn’t benefitting that much from this, unless you want a commission on bartenders, waiters, can drivers tips etc

    Multi billion dollar corporations asking for middle class people to subsidize their absurd profits. Just another day in America. What lunacy.

  32. denverdude7 says: May 21, 2013 12:35 PM

    What’s with you Florio?

    I make clear, concise points without vulgarity pointing out the fact that the NFL has been playing us all for fools and you immediately take my posts down?

    Be a man for once and let your readers express their thoughts without you acting as the NFL’s puppet censor.

  33. jimmyt says: May 21, 2013 12:37 PM

    “A Super Bowl doesn’t generate any revenue for the average tax payer.”

    That statement is so short-sighted, uninformed and naive, I don’t even know where to begin. Economics 101 maybe?

  34. skarfacci says: May 21, 2013 12:37 PM

    Last I checked the US runs under capitalist principles. Does anybody realize that the NFL is listed as a non-profit organization, and thereby as an entity does not pay taxes?

  35. johnstone17 says: May 21, 2013 12:41 PM

    I’m good on tax payers funding stadiums. Must be easy to tell other people what to do with their money. Let’s face facts. The NFL wants Miami for Super Bowls, so why don’t they dip into that fund they have to help finance new stadiums & do the upgrades they require themselves?

  36. rc33 says: May 21, 2013 12:45 PM

    Kraft has a right to talk about this; much moreso than almost every other owner. He paid the $325M it took to build Gillette Stadium. The state reluctantly offered to chip in $80M for infrastructure around the stadium but that was it. Kraft had a deal in pace to move the team to Hartford. It was a staring contest, plain and simple.
    So few stadiums are built with private money nowadays; he has a right to opine on this.

  37. mustbechris says: May 21, 2013 12:48 PM

    Oh, ok, so Minnesota is getting the next 10 Super Bowls then, right?

    Oh, they’re not? Sounds like this argument doesn’t apply then.

  38. cliverush says: May 21, 2013 12:49 PM

    Bob Kraft is a highly respected and successful businessman who built the stadium in Foxboro with his own money. Prior to that he attempted to leverage the Comm. of Mass. and the City of Boston by using the threat of moving the team to Conn. Of course the league(TV rights) and the Giants nixed that idea. The then Gov. of Mass., Bill Weld offered him land in the city that as it turned out, the state did not own, as the property was owned by a family who had a long term lease with the state. Following up with that the figures the Mayor of Boston received from the regarding the loss of future tax revenue nixed that idea. He then decided to build on the land he owned in Foxboro and used his own money with a deal from the state for infrastucture improvements.

  39. joemontanawasthegreatest says: May 21, 2013 12:52 PM

    I can see the average Miami Dolphins fan is not equipped with a rudimentary understanding of economics and its core principles.

  40. harrisonhits2 says: May 21, 2013 12:52 PM

    mobuccsfan says:

    Kraft should shut up–and I hope he could build his own stadium with his own money.
    ____________________________

    You do realize Kraft did build Gillette Stadium with his own funding don’t you ?

    This is one of the rare times I disagree with Kraft. Any penny that could be raised through new taxes should go to retaining the police, firemen, teachers etc that are being cut everywhere with the current ultra tight budgets.

    Not a dime of that money should go to a billionaire to fund his stadium improvements that will help him become even more disgustingly wealthy.

  41. fergenator says: May 21, 2013 12:54 PM

    Here’s an idea….Get all the NFL owners together…they pool a bunch of their millions to make a billion and they build there own superbowl stadium in South Florida…..They take the risks and manage the stadium…The Super Bowl will always be in south Florida…They can even move the HOF and make there own amusment park…no imagination is required to fill the park up with year round activities.

    No more money from us poor folks!

  42. dirtydrew says: May 21, 2013 1:05 PM

    The benefit of a Super Bowl only go to the wealthy. It doesn’t help the common tax paying citizen. But they want to have we, the tax paying citizen to pay for their lavish stadiums, and cut schools and fire fighting, and raise property taxes. They say, oh it’s a hotel tax on out of towners, BS.

  43. myeaglescantwin says: May 21, 2013 1:15 PM

    why in the hell should the people of a city pay out money to a football stadium??
    what type of kick back does the city get?
    what do the non football fan tax payers have to say about that??

  44. b3nz0z says: May 21, 2013 1:31 PM

    kraft should pitch in on the new porch i want

  45. dowhatifeellike says: May 21, 2013 1:41 PM

    Here’s a solution to the public funding problem:

    Don’t offer public funds, but instead grant tax waivers to offset some of the costs. This way the gov’t doesn’t pay for the stadium but also doesn’t reap any (direct) benefit. Both sides win.

  46. SeenThisB4 says: May 21, 2013 1:46 PM

    Public funding should be used for the public needs. Period.

    That being said: Super Bowl LII should be played in the city celebrating its CCC anniversary. It’s a match made in Roman Numeral heaven.

  47. brownsalwaysrebuilding says: May 21, 2013 1:53 PM

    You’ve got plenty of players that people would pay just to talk to. Try to set up a fundraiser to raise the money on your own instead of making the common man foot the the bill when it’s hard to even pay your regular bills these days.

    Charge these people the bill for your stadium when they can’t afford to walk in the door and buy some nachos. C’mon man.

  48. tcclark says: May 21, 2013 1:57 PM

    South Florida would never have pitched in to improve the stadium under the proposed bill. Patriots fans staying in the hotels surrounding the stadium would’ve.

    Even owners don’t understand how that plan was supposed to work

  49. granadafan says: May 21, 2013 1:58 PM

    I would love for Mr Kraft, Arthur Banks, Stephen Ross, pull up in a limo in their $5000 suits to a middle or high school and explain to the students why their classrooms are crowded with not enough teachers because there’s not enough money to pay for more teachers. Explain why their music program was cut.

    Explain to the victims of crime why police weren’t there because there wasn’t enough money to put more victims on the force.

    Explain to the people sitting in traffic all day long why it’s more imporatant to rebuild an only 20 year old stadium than building new roads or freeways.

    No taxpayer money for multibillionaires. If they were so concerned with jobs and the tax revenue, they would just build the stadium themselves or GET A LOAN from the NFL or a bank.

  50. phinfan says: May 21, 2013 2:05 PM

    This ‘welfare for billionaires’ thing will be a growing concern for team owners, when economy is as low as it is

  51. carolinethedog says: May 21, 2013 2:05 PM

    Don’t buy tickets, don’t buy jerseys, don’t buy merchandise. I’m actually thinking of not getting NFL ticket this year (now $300.)

    Boycott all that crap…AND…

    Support your local sports bar!!! (Preferably non-franchise)
    Look around, there is a good one near you. Stop feeding the corporate greed.

  52. tcclark says: May 21, 2013 2:06 PM

    People also need to understand what being a billionaire means. It doesn’t mean that you go to the bank and you have a billion dollars in your account. Stephen Ross doesn’t have 500 million dollars laying around that he can renovate a stadium with. Your worth is determined by your assets. In order for him to come up with the money to renovate the stadium he would have to sell some of the profitable assets that made him a billionaire in the first place.

    People also don’t realize that being the owner of a professional Sports team is not a business investment. You don’t buy a team to make money. Many of these owners lose money in order to stay competitive. Owners who build stadiums out of their own pocket are spending money on something they will never make a profit off of. However, local business owners and residents in the area profit greatly off having a team in the area. Tourism from the stadium attracts business for small business owners and when business is good, prices go down making products more affordable for local consumers.

    People need to get a basic understanding of economics before posting on boards like this. A marginal tax increase is not worth more than the money that the city makes off of events like the Super Bowl or National Championship game. South Florida would profit off of these tax increases.

  53. granadafan says: May 21, 2013 2:14 PM

    My company recently expanded over a 10 year period and hired over 3000 people (not minimum wage the NFL pays service people in security or concessions). We live here, pay property taxes, use services, buy goods, and build our lives here. My company did NOT demand that the community pay for their new manufacturing facilities or to beautify the campus. Surely the NFL and multibillionaire owners can and SHOULD do the same.

  54. mrphatal says: May 21, 2013 2:16 PM

    Shut up Kraft!!!
    —-South Florida

  55. tcclark says: May 21, 2013 2:22 PM

    “I would love for Mr Kraft, Arthur Banks, Stephen Ross, pull up in a limo in their $5000 suits to a middle or high school and explain to the students why their classrooms are crowded with not enough teachers because there’s not enough money to pay for more teachers.”

    Connecticut has the highest paid teachers in the country and Massachusetts had the best schools in the country last year. Kraft probably shouldn’t be linked to this comment.

    “Explain to the victims of crime why police weren’t there because there wasn’t enough money to put more victims on the force.”

    Boston, Orlando, and Atlanta rank in the top 20 cities for police officers per capita. which is pretty high considering Orlando contains the happiest place on earth and they’re right behind Detroit. Savannah, Tampa, and Miami are all in the top 30 as well.

    “Explain to the people sitting in traffic all day long why it’s more imporatant to rebuild an only 20 year old stadium than building new roads or freeways.”

    Have you ever driven in Florida? Most of the people sitting in traffic are their because of construction being done on the highways.

    “GET A LOAN from the NFL or a bank.”

    He tried to get a loan from the State. Did you not read the part where Stephen Ross agreed to pay all of the money back. That’s called a loan.

  56. squinn21 says: May 21, 2013 2:27 PM

    South Florida thinks Kraft should keep his mouth shut. South Florida is STILL paying for the outdated renovations of 10 years ago.

  57. revskip says: May 21, 2013 2:31 PM

    armoderate hit the nail on the head.

    No one with a brain doesn’t understand that the area benefits from hosting the Super Bowl, however the people who benefit financially the most from having the Super Bowl are the owners of the stadium. Since Ross owns 95% of the stadium he will recoup any money he puts in for renovations fairly quickly.

    Remember that Ross signed a fairly lucrative deal which gives Sun Life the college National Championship every 4 years along with the yearly Orange Bowl game. Add in the money he gets every time the University of Miami uses the site, every time he hosts a mega-concert, every time he hosts a soccer event, etc.

    Ross makes money hand over fist with the stadium, if he wants the public to pitch in tax money he should in turn offer the public profit sharing on a percentage of all gate sales, food and merch sold in the stadium.

  58. 1rockyracoon says: May 21, 2013 2:33 PM

    Sarcasm Alert!
    1) “The public should pitch in.” He’s right–a small population of Miami will ever actually go to the stadium and less than half of the population probably follow the team. And the fans that pay for parking, tickets, concessions, and merchandise–they need to pitch in more.
    2) It’s not like the NFL is making billions of dollars every year in profit while cities have to cut services and raise taxes during these tough economic times. And the average citizen has way too much money. They can afford to subsidize another stadium.
    3) A better stadium and an NFL team can make or break a city. Just look at Los Angeles. That city is all but forgotten since the Raiders left. Who thinks about LA? And then you can look at Jacksonville. Ever since the Jags arrived that town has gone from being a back woods type of town and has turned into one of the leading metropolitan areas in the country.

    Again, note my use if sarcasm.

  59. mrphatal says: May 21, 2013 2:33 PM

    I thought there were a lot of investors like Serena and Venus Williams. Get them to pay…

    Or Jay-z who just gave a college grad a Bentley..

    Asking the tax payers is stupid! Ultimately the still pay in the end, at concessions or the ticket stand, they are still paying.

  60. NoHomeTeam says: May 21, 2013 2:37 PM

    jimmyt says:

    . “A Super Bowl doesn’t generate any revenue for the average tax payer.” .

    That statement is so short-sighted, uninformed and naive, I don’t even know where to begin. Economics 101 maybe?

    ***************

    Well, that’s part of the problem there, Jimmy; many of us are apparently short-sighted, uniformed, and naive. Why don’t you stop name-calling and explain to us exactly where the economic benefit to the average taxpayer lies?

    Using actual numbers, instead of invective.

    We’ll wait here . . .

  61. mackie66 says: May 21, 2013 2:42 PM

    No NFL fan who goes to So Fla with hopes of sitting in a brand new stadium. All they want is a seat,,,period. NFL fans who travel to So Fla want to party and where on earth do people party better then So Beach Miami? Sun, surf, boats, women, scuba, fishing, or just wading in the surf. If the NFL fan wants better they should go to Hawaii, maybe…..

  62. papoose059 says: May 21, 2013 3:00 PM

    I see lots of comments saying “private companies should pay for their own facilities”, and that’s fine, I understand that logic.

    But I would counter that most stadiums, except for a couple(Miami and NE come to mind), were built with the help of public funds. And in the case of Miami’s proposed stadium renovation bill, they would have received a tax-break, one they never filed for and both Tampa and Jax receive in Florida. They would have also received the bed-tax from the hotels (Increase from 6 to 7%). They also offered to pay back almost all this money.

    A stadium bill never sounded so good, and yet Ross get’s the brunt of the “welfare for billionaire” jokes. I doubt your local NFL team cares about your taxes as much as this man.

  63. nghtrder169 says: May 21, 2013 3:11 PM

    People in this country need to stop paying for Stadiums owned by BILLIONAIRES!!! The money fans pay for tickets, parking, merchandise, overpriced food & drinks at games is more than enough to supplement the teams/NFL BILLION dollar TV & ad revenue — and lets not forget the NFL’s non-profit tax standing… Where I am from they call that a G, paper gangstas or a real nice scheme lol

  64. SparkyGump says: May 21, 2013 3:25 PM

    Let the NFL owners pitch in. They can certainly afford it. They should be investing in their own infratructure rather than hiding their money in the Caymans.

  65. 086wpd says: May 21, 2013 3:27 PM

    1. the nfl is a non-profit , yet the “owners” are generally super wealthy.
    2. tax $$ are used to enhance most business’ inthe form of road/sewer/services improvements where a new business is being constructed
    3. we should not pay for these via taxes , unless the nfl team or business that benefits from tax $$ gives a percentage of ownership in the business , like “shares”.
    4. go Texans B|

  66. antalicus says: May 21, 2013 3:37 PM

    Miami has had enough Super Bowls.

    Peyton Manning wants to experience a super bowl at another location.

  67. bearssuck says: May 21, 2013 4:04 PM

    Robert Kraft = hook nose

  68. christophershearin says: May 21, 2013 4:11 PM

    can any one explain to me how this makes any sense? The owners hold the fans over a barrel at every turn. Ticket prices are outrageous, Concession Prices are through the roof, Apparel will cost you your first born, Parking Rates will bleed you dry……… and once they are done shaking you down for every last dime, then they get their politican friends to dip a little heavier into your paycheck to renovate their property, which in turn they use to justify raising the rates on all the afore mentioned items………… Sounds like a racket to me………. no wonder Jimmy Haslam was welcomed with open arms……………

  69. rcali says: May 21, 2013 4:12 PM

    If every city fought back the NFL would be in a real pickle with these constant threats.

  70. jtbsteeler says: May 21, 2013 4:16 PM

    Miami has nothing but the Heat. Every other team down there is garbage, now you wont see a bowl until at least 2025. Hold onto the Heat

  71. dallascowboysdishingthereal says: May 21, 2013 4:18 PM

    This is how the pay for the athletes has become so blown out of proportion over the years by tapping into the public funds to help pay for their arena where they play.

    The athletes should be paid less and the money saved used to keep up the stadiums. Bottom line is the public is asked to help pay ridiculous salarys to athletes and wealthy owners.

  72. all4patriots says: May 21, 2013 4:22 PM

    In this case the “public funds” were going to come ENTIRELY from hotel taxes. Thus it was a tax on the tourism industry, who would also be the direct beneficiaries of the Super Bowl arriving.

    If it is a hotel tax just on rooms within say 60 miles of the stadium, it seems perfectly fair. You know that when the Super Bowl comes they sell out their $80 rooms for $350, right?

    It is wrong to take extra state taxes, property taxes, or to put in some new payroll tax, but the proposed taxes in FL were perfectly reasonable, or at least reasonable enough to let the citizens actually VOTE on it. The state lawmakers didn;t allow that.

  73. tellthetruth1313 says: May 21, 2013 4:31 PM

    Pro franchises bring income to the communities they reside in. Hotels, restaurants, bars and other local attractions all benefit from these teams. No one complains when they are working or profiting off the teams but when they are asked to pitch in a little to make improvements the BITCHIN begins. Just because the owers are wealthy doesn’t mean they are obligated to support a city. Supporting your local franchise means more than buying a t-shirt.

  74. grandpoopah says: May 21, 2013 4:33 PM

    And I think all my neighbors should pitch in to build my new swimming pool.

  75. christophershearin says: May 21, 2013 4:33 PM

    by the nfl’s logic, my city should give me tax money to keep up on the maintenance of my house, as the nicer my house is, the better the property values……..

  76. tcclark says: May 21, 2013 4:35 PM

    Some people really need to learn the difference between Revenue and Profit. Revenue is the total amount of money generated. Profit is Revenue minus costs. It it the total amount of money gained. The NFL doe not make billions of dollars in profit every year. They make billions of dollars in revenue. Unfortunately, their costs are in the same ballpark. In fact, many professional sports teams LOSE money every year. These owners aren’t trying to revamp their stadium so they can make money. They’re doing it in order to cover their costs. The more revenue they generate, the more money they have to spend on things like player salaries. The teams that are financially stable are able to remain competitive. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t ask your team’s owner to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to renovate a stadium and then expect him to be able to afford to maintain a competitive football team.

  77. tim8450 says: May 21, 2013 4:46 PM

    @mobuccsfan

    Are you kidding?

    Bob Kraft has nothing to do with Gillette or the price and packaging of their razors. Gillette is a corporation owned by P&G that paid a fee to have their company name associated with the stadium.

    Kraft is the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of The Kraft Group, a diversified holding company with assets in paper and packaging, sports and entertainment, real estate development and a private equity portfolio. Basically, he made his millions in cardboard, not razors.

    As if the Steelers have anything to do with the price or quality of Heinz Ketchup or the Colts with Lucas Oil. Although, in truth, I won’t buy either of those brands because I don’t want a single penny of my money to go to either of those teams.

  78. NoHomeTeam says: May 21, 2013 5:37 PM

    tcclark says: . . . The NFL doe not make billions of dollars in profit every year. They make billions of dollars in revenue. Unfortunately, their costs are in the same ballpark. In fact, many professional sports teams LOSE money every year.

    ***********

    Minor League baseball teams, Arena Football teams, Developmental basketball teams — yes, we’ll concede that many teams lose money. And then they fold.

    Which NFL team, exactly, do you believe is losing money?

  79. joejacks says: May 21, 2013 6:20 PM

    Kraft is a moron who cheated to win Superbowls. If he wants SBs in Miami then maybe he should pitch in for the upgrades. Taxpayers don’t get billions from merchandise or free tickets.

  80. soflasportsfan says: May 21, 2013 6:47 PM

    Why do so many people lack basic reading and comprehension skills? First off zero Miami-Dade citizens would be paying a single cent because the $$ would come from raising the bed tax on tourists. I can understand not wanting billionaire welfare but the misinformed are leading the way in this argument. People just have an extremely sour taste after Jeff Loria completely raped the taxpayers and are mixjng the two. And OF COURSE KRAFT IS AGREEING WITH ROSS!!!!! THEY ARE IN THE SAME DAMN FRATERNITY!!! NFL OWNERSHIP!!

  81. andrewproughcfe says: May 21, 2013 7:53 PM

    Miami taxpayers should pay for a stadium so they can go watch Brady and Belichick lose a couple more Super Bowls to Coughlin and Eli?

    I guess that makes sense in a roundabout sort of way, Mr. Kraft.

  82. mustbechris says: May 21, 2013 8:08 PM

    soflasportsfan says:
    May 21, 2013 6:47 PM
    Why do so many people lack basic reading and comprehension skills? First off zero Miami-Dade citizens would be paying a single cent because the $$ would come from raising the bed tax on tourists.

    ___________________________________

    Then why don’t they institute the tax and use the money for the public good instead of the billionaire’s good? I’m sure Miami-Dade has a tight budget like every other major city and/or county in America right now and could use that money for important things like education funding instead of paying to renovate a sports team’s stadium so the sports team can hold a winter party for other rich people who only rich people can afford to go to while the NFL pockets all the money made while demanding to be exempt from the EXACT TAX THEY WANT TO IMPLEMENT TO RAISE THE MONEY FOR THE RENOVATIONS.

  83. mustbechris says: May 21, 2013 8:10 PM

    Dear God, just no. Everything about this idea of public financing is awful. It’s beautiful how both Democrats and Republicans can both agree on this.

  84. tcclark says: May 21, 2013 10:54 PM

    NoHomeTeam says:
    May 21, 2013 5:37 PM
    tcclark says: . . . The NFL doe not make billions of dollars in profit every year. They make billions of dollars in revenue. Unfortunately, their costs are in the same ballpark. In fact, many professional sports teams LOSE money every year.

    ***********

    Minor League baseball teams, Arena Football teams, Developmental basketball teams — yes, we’ll concede that many teams lose money. And then they fold.

    Which NFL team, exactly, do you believe is losing money?
    ****************************************

    literally every team in the NFL is in debt. The Raiders operating income is at -15 million. The team in the best financial situation is the Packers, but even they are in debt. Just last year the league bumped up their debt limit to 175 million, which means that teams are allowed to be up to 175 million dollars in debt. It’s not just the minor league sports teams. Ask the Stars and Devils in the NHL about their bankruptcy issues.

  85. bcgreg says: May 24, 2013 7:56 AM

    All you people bitching and moaning, yet there you’ll be come September supporting the NFL. You don’t wanna spend your tax dollars for NFL billionaires? Fine. Then, put your money where your mouth is and stop watching the NFL.

    Kraft does have a point about SB venues. And I do agree that stadiums should be paid for by the owners and NOT the cities/states except for the infrastructure.

    Oh, and take an economics class with your newly found free time in the fall.

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to leave a comment. Not a member? Register now!