Getty ImagesThe Mt. Rushmore nomination process descends into the Black Hole.
Yes, Raiders fans, it’s time to nominate candidates for the four-person Oakland/L.A/Oakland Mt. Rushmore.
Post your favorites below, and then at some point next month you’ll get to vote on the final four from a list that may include Al Davis, John Madden, Ken Stabler, Marcus Allen, Fred Biletnikoff, Gene Upshaw, Art Shell, Ray Guy, George Blanda, Todd Christensen, Jack Tatum, Lester Hayes, Mike Haynes, Ted Hendricks, Howie Long, Willie Brown, Tim Brown, Tom Flores, Jim Otto, and/or some combination thereof.
Good luck. You’ll need it.
1. JaMarcus Russell
2. Rolondo McClain
3. Dezmond Bryant
4. Al Davis
And I’m a Raider fan!!
In Reg I trust!
How about Al Davis right next to Marcus Allen. Then they’ll literally be forced to talk it out.
Davis. Upshaw. Shell. Tatum.
jerry rice all by himself
Every Raider fan (I am one of them) knows that the greatest Raider ever is Bo Jackson.
Al Davis – self explanatory
Willie Brown & Jim Otto – Both Hall of Famers and legendary Raiders. In addition, both spent decades past their playing careers as parts of the Raiders organization in some capacity.
Cliff Branch – The personification of Al Davis’ offense, the vertical passing game.
There’s no way to have a consensus top four, but I think there are some pretty good reasons to consider these guys. David, Brown, Otto, Branch.
Al Davis
Jim Otto
Gene Upshaw
Marcus Allen
Those should be the final 4.
Honorable mention: John Madden, Timmy Brown, Kenny Stabler, Willie Brown
Al Davis
John Madden
Willie Brown
Gene upshaw
honorable mention Art shell
Al Davis
Jim Otto
Ken Stabler
Ted Hendricks
HM
Art Shell
Gene Upshaw
Steve Wisniewski
Dave Dalby
Marcus Allen
Mark Van Eeghen
Clem Daniels
Fred Biletnikoff
Cliff Branch
Tim Brown
Todd Chistensen
Dave Casper
Howie Long
Ben Davidson
Otis Sistrunk
Greg Townshend
Phil Villapiano
Rod Martin
Willie Brown
Lester Hayes
Jack Tatum
George Atkinson
Terry McDaniel
Mike Haynes
Jim Plunkett
Daryle Lamonica
George Blanda
John Madden
Ray Guy
George “Run Run” Jones
The Nation needs 9 Mount Rushmores
Mount Rushmore of Raider Quarterbacks:
Ken Stabler
Jim Plunkett
Daryle Lamonica
George Blanda
HM – Rich Gannon
Mount Rushmore of Raider Running Backs:
Marcus Allen
Mark Van Eeghen
Clem Daniels
Marv Hubbard
HM – Clarence Davis
HM – Bo Jackson
HM – Pete Banaszak
Mount Rushmore of Raider Receivers/Tight Ends:
Fred Biletnikoff
Cliff Branch
Tim Brown
Todd Chistensen
HM – Dave Casper
HM – Raymond Chester
Mount Rushmore of Raider Offensive Linemen:
Jim Otto
Art Shell
Gene Upshaw
Steve Wisniewski
HM – Dave Dalby
HM – Don Mosebar
HM – Henry Lawrence
Mount Rushmore of Raider Defensive Linemen:
Howie Long
Ben Davidson
Otis Sistrunk
Greg Townshend
HM – Chester McGlockton
HM – John Matuszak
Mount Rushmore of Raider Linebackers:
Ted Hendricks
Phil Villapiano
Rod Martin
Dan Conners
HM – Matt Millen
HM – Greg Biekert
Mount Rushmore of Raider Secondary:
Willie Brown
Lester Hayes
Jack Tatum
George Atkinson
HM – Terry McDaniel
HM – Mike Haynes
Mount Rushmore of Raider Special Teams:
Ray Guy
George Blanda
Sebastian Janikowski
Shane Lechler
Mount Rushmore of Raider Leadership:
Al Davis
John Madden
Tom Flores
George “Run Run” Jones
Art shell
Tim brown
Willie brown
Gene upshaw
#1 Al Davis
#2 John Madden
#3 Jim Otto
#4 Jack Tatum
HM
Gene Upshaw
Art Shell
Fred Biletnikoff
Howie Long
Kenny Stabler
Tim Brown
Amy Trask
Al Davis
John Madden
Jim Otto
Tim brown
Al Davis
Jim Otto
Art Shell
Howie Long
Al Davis
Tim Brown
Howie Long
Willie Brown
1. John Madden
2. Al Davis
3. Marcus Allen
4. Howie Long
Al Davis
Jim Otto
John Madden
Willie Brown
Always there with the Raiders
shell
upshaw
biletnikoff
marcus allen
Carson Palmer
JaMarucs Russell
D.H.B
Big Al’s ghost
Al Davis
Kenny Stabler
Gene Upshaw
Bo Jackson
Davis erased his good early work so I’d go Allen, Stabler, Blanda, Hayes
Al Davis
John Madden
Ken Stabler
Howie Long
Art Shell, Al Davis, John Madden, Fred Biletnikoff.
31 year old Raider fan.
I’ll go with Al Davis (lock), Jim Plunkett (SB MVP and won 2 SB) Willie Brown (all-time great corner) and Marcus Allen (SB MVP, feud with Al was costly to all parties)
Al Davis
Jim Otto
John Madden
Gene Upshaw
1. Bo Jackson
2. Marcus Allen
3. John Madden
4. Ken Stabler
Honorable mention= Howie Long
Only 4…
#1 Al Davis, without Al there would be no Raiders or Raiders mystique, he built the franchise.
#2 Jim Otto
#3 Art Shell
#4 Wille Brown
#5 Gene Upshaw
#6 Ken Stabler
#7 Fred Biletnikoff
#8 Jack Tatum
#9 Marcus Allen
#10 Cliff Branch
Al Davis , John Madden , Jim Plunkett, Tim Brown
Al Davis
Ken Stabler
Lester Hayes
Ted Hendricks
Al will always first and foremost be the Raiders Mt Rushmore.
Al Davis is the easiest choice for any team.
Gene Upshaw
Art Shell
John Madden
I guess you don’t know bo huh
The raiders should be represented by the ones who represented the shield not only on the field but off it as well, those who made it their lives to bleed silver & black and goes as follows:
1)Mr AL DAVIS- with out his contributions to the game of football the game would NOT be what it is today.
2)JOHN MADDENED-he is a true a/mbassador to the game of football.
3)GENE UPSHAW- the 1st NFLPA president and long time union boss.
4)FRED BILETINKOFF-the reason stick’em is forever banded from the NFL.
each of these raider greats had a hand in the evolution of the game each one of us loves today!!
And no good your not a raiders fan if you don’t like al Davis he’s the reason the afl joined the nfl it doesn’t matter who your team is anyone who’s a fan a football should be a fan of Mr.al davis
Dr. Dre
Eazy E
Ice Cube
MC Ren
Did more to promote the Raiders brand than anybody else in the 90s.
Al
Bo
Snake
Madden
-QG
John Madden, Howie Long, Ray Guy, George Blanda, Tim Brown, Bo Jackson, Clem Daniels, Art Powell, Dan Connors, Dan Birdwell, we need a MOUNTAIN RANGE over here in Oakland, not a puny mountain like the rest of the NFL!!!!!!
Davis, Madden,Flores,Otto
I’m not even a Raiders fan , and it’s incredible to me the way Kenny Stabler is overlooked and underrated ; in my view , he was one of the best clutch/ two minute QB’s in NFL history.
John Madden
Ken Stabler
Marcus Allen
Howie Long
Honorable Mentions:
Fred Biletnikoff, Art Shell, George Blanda.
Jim Otto
George Blanda
Willie Brown
Gene Upshaw
Fred Biletnikoff
Art Shell
Mike Haynes
Ted Hendricks
Howie Long
Dave Casper
Marcus Allen
John Madden
Al Davis
All Hall of Famers!!!!!
PLUS…
Bo Jackson
Tom Flores
Charles Woodson
Cliff Branch
Ray Guy
Lester Hay
I can keep going but i think I’ve made my point!!!
Al Davis, Jim Otto, Art Shell and Howie Long.
1. Al Davis
2. Gene Upshaw
3. Willie Brown
4. John Madden
Homarable mentions, Howie Long, Ted Hendricks, Art Shell, George Blanda, Tom Flores, Jack Tatum, Tim Brown, Marcus Allen, Bo Jackson, Dave Casper, Ken Stabler, Todd Christianson, Jim Plunkett, Steve Wisnewski and Ray Guy.
Bo Jackson – Greatest tecmo bowl player ever
Tim Brown – needs to stop talking about sb’s but was a warrior!
John Madden – hes got a friggin franchise
Al Davis – love or hate him he did what he wanted and went against the grain.
As long as people give it some serious thought there isnt any wrong answer. But for me its…
1 Al Davis: Made the RAIDERS what they are and NFL for that matter
2 Tim Brown “Mr. Raider”: Played with NO great QBs like ALL the top WRs in NFL history
3 Kenny “The Snake” Stabler: embodied the RAIDER way
4 Art Shell: over Upshaw because he was coach of the RAIDERS 2x,
#1. Al Davis
#2. John Madden
#3. Jim Otto
Tied for #4.
Stabler
Upshaw
Allen
Shell
Long
Guy
Brown
Sistrunk
Casper
Banazeck
Belitnikoff
Tatum
Hubbasrd
Villipiano
Blanda
I could go on!
Too many options here. Biletnikoff is my favorite all time, but he doesn’t have the impact several others did. The list is missing great names like Ron Wolf, Ben Davidson, Art Thoms, Dave Casper, Raymond Chester, Dave Dalby, Bo Jackson, Wisenewski, and many others. Multiple Rushmores indeed!
Al Davis – he was the Raiders
Art Shell – HOF lineman, first black head coach
John Madden – HOF coach, trailblazer broadcaster
Amy Trask – female exec and Princess Of Darkness
Al Davis
Fred Biletnikoff
Gene Upshaw
John Madden
Honorable Mention
Marcus Allen
Ken Stabler
Willie Brown
Jim Otto
Art Shell
Howie Long
Hey, can the Raiders loan some guys to the Jags Mt.?
Al Davis
Ted Hendricks
George Blanda
John Madden
*Tom Flores (Honorable Mention)
1) Al Davis
2) John Madden
3) Gene Upshaw
4) Art Shell
Al Davis should automatically be put onto Mt. Rushmore. No true Raider fan will debate that.
Final three is tough. You have to also go with “True Raiders”. That means Timmy B is out (spent a year with the Bucs).
Fred Biletnikoff was a super bowl MVP and has the college award for best wide receiver named after him. He is in.
John Madden’s record speaks for itself. He also the first Raiders coach to take the team to the promise land. He’s in.
That leaves Mr. Raider himself. Jim Otto.
Al Davis
Freddy B
John Madden
Jim Otto
Left to Right: Al Davis, Jack Tatum, Willie Brown, John Madden. Honestly too many greats, those are just 2 of my favorite players of all times, matched with 2 of the greatest football minds of all-time.
Stabler
Plunkett
Madden
Al Davis
Others deserving mention include: Otto, Marcus Allen, Tatum, Ray Guy, Al King, Bill King, Tom Flores, Shell, Upshaw, Blanda, Casper
38 year old Raider fan:
Al: He is Mr. Raider and for all my recent complaints about him, he is first on the list, period end of story.
Tim Brown: 15 years with the Raiders, 9 Pro-Bowls, 224 Games played with the Raiders, he’s in.
Jim Otto: OO has to make it in, HOF’er, also a lifer.
Willie Brown: Another Raider lifer and at this point it’s almost rolling the dice too many great players to narrow it down to 4.
Missed the cut: To explain cutting Madden, his career was too short, only 1 SB, most of his popularity came with announcing and his video game. I still love him but you can only vote for.
Al Davis
John Madden
Howie Long
Tim Brown
al davis
john madden
jim otto
tim brown
can’t really go wrong with any of the top players after al and madden
1) Al Davis
2) Mickey Marvin
3) Lester Hayes
4) Howie Long
There’s far too many great Raiders for me to narrow my list to 4. I’ll give my must-include list followed by honorable mention.
I do have to say that the must-include list consists mostly of those who were with the team during the greatest period (1963-1985) with a few from afterward. I was rather fussy in my picks so I’m sure that several on my honorable mention list would be must-includes for others.
Must-Include:
Al Davis (for his accomplishments pre-1986)
Ron Wolf (for being Davis’ right-hand in the great era)
John Madden
Tom Flores (as HC only)
Jim Otto
Jack Tatum
George Atkinson
Art Shell (as player only)
Gene Upshaw
Willie Brown
Ted Hendricks
Phil Villapiano
Lester Hayes
Fred Biletnikoff
Cliff Branch
Snake Stabler
Jim Plunkett
Mark Van Eeghen
Dave Casper
Ray Guy
Shane Lechler
George Blanda
Tim Brown (I can’t stand him, but he belongs)
Steve Wizniewski
Honorable Mention
Marcus Allen (due to benching he only had 4 great years)
Sebastian Janikowski
Charles Woodson (greatest years were with Packers)
Pete Banaszak
Raymond Chester
Art Powell
Otis Sistrunk
Mike Haynes
Daryl Lamonica
Rich Gannon
Dave Dalby
Howie Long (I liked him but I thought he was overrated)
Greg Townsend
Don Mosebar
Todd Christiansen (same comment as with Howie)
Bo Jackson (brilliant career cut short due to injury)
Reggie Kinlaw
Terry McDaniel
RAIDERS who had the potential to be great
1 Bo Jackson: Spectacular but career was cut short because of hip injury
2 Napoleon Kaufman: Most electrifying RAIDER RB since Bo but retired to religion
3 Rich Gannon: Journeyman QB who made his way to the RAIDERS late in his career, still earned MVP honors
4 John Madden: Obvious great RAIDER coach, but could have cemented his face of ALL-TIME coaches if he coached more than 9 seasons
MY GOD THERE ARE WAY TO MANY TO CHOOSE FROM!!!! GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!
Hewritt Dixon (the ORIGINAL spiker of the football)
Clem Daniels
Ben Davidson
Dan Birdwell
Tom Keating
Bob Boomer Brown
Art Shell
and Clarence Davis for “the catch”
Al Davis
Marcus Allen
Ken Stabler
Gene Upshaw
Any chance Lane Kiffen makes the list?
If there was a NFL Mt. Rushmore then Al Davis would be on there. Believe that!
I wouldn’t do Madden as a Raider simply because Tom Flores won 2 SB’s with the Raiders to Madden’s 1. I’d say Madden doesn’t need to go on the RAIDERS Rushmore, he is an NFL Rushmore figure.
1) Al Davis
2) Jim Plunkett
3) Marcus Allen
4) Willie Brown
TECMO BO JACKSON
Should have only 1 face.
Al Davis
He was the Raiders
Ted Hendricks, Kenny Stabler, Gene Upshaw, Fred Biletnikoff. Note: Al Davis is the face of the Raiders, and while he is one of the greats, he was also the worst. I don’t know what to do with him.
Bo Jackson
Al Davis
John Madden
Howie Long
Guarantee only a small percentage of posters on this site have seen anyone play that belong on the Raiders Mt. Rushmore.
1) Al Davis. He built the Raiders. He ran it his way. He was the Raiders. This isn’t even in question.
2) Art Shell. Arguably the best player in his position in NFL history, part of the Raiders’ era of dominance, and a symbol of what the Raiders were in terms of breaking down societal barriers by being named the first modern-day black coach in the NFL. His first turn as coach was also marked by success in bringing the Raiders back to the AFC Championship Game.
3) Jack Tatum. The way he played the game epitomized what it meant to be a Raider in the glory years.
4) Cliff Branch. Another great symbol of the Raiders, Branch also is one of few Raiders who have three Super Bowl rings. His ability to stretch the field even in the era in which he played, when receivers could be mauled the whole way down the field, enabled Hall of Famers Fred Biletnikoff and Dave Casper to shine even brighter than they otherwise would. He represents the kind of offense that made the Raiders famous and feared.
Hon. mention: Lester Hayes. Is there any other player who is more Raider-like? Position switch? Check (from linebacker to cornerback!). Misfit? Check. Pushing the envelope on rules? Check (stickum). Great player? Check. (13 INTs in one season, plus four in the postseason). Also has 3 Super Bowl rings.
Al davis
Jamarcus Russell
Todd Marinovich
The tuck rule
Not a Raiders fan, but my two cents:
- Al Davis
- Young John Madden (as Curt Gowdy always called him)
- Gene Upshaw
- Art Shell
Could also make strong arguments for those you would expect – Flores, Otto, Allen, Long, Plunkett, Stabler
Al Davis
Ken Stabler
Fred Biletnikoff
Ben Davidson
Al Davis
John Madden
Gene Upshaw
Jim Otto
Al Davis
John Madden
Marcus Allen
Tim Brown
George Blanda
Art Shell
Gene Upshaw
John Madden
Ken Stabler
Gene Upshaw
Al Davis
@ tbraiders: That was the most comprehensive list of Raider greats except for Chester McGlockton. That guy was HORRIBLE as a Raider.
1.Al Davis
2.John Madden
3.Ken Stabler
4.Tim Brown
1- Al Davis
2- John Madden
3- Ted Hendricks
4- Marcus Allen
No right answers if we only get 4.
Art Shell
Gene Upshaw
Darryl Lamonica
Ray Guy
Lester Hayes
Cant have a Raider Mt Rushmore w/o Cliff Branch -he has all 3 Raider SB rings and personifies Al Davis’s offense, so Branch over Brown
and Christensen was hardly over rated, being the second TE to ever lead the NFL in receptions for a season and the only one with back to back 90 reception seasons.
I’ve been waiting for this one!
Howie Long
Ted Hendricks
Fred Biletnikoff
Jack Tatum
Those are MY favorites. But this list will be
very difficult to “get down” to 12 or whatever.
How do you choose…
Willie Brown or Lester Hayes
Jim Otto, Gene Upshaw, or Art Shell
Marcus Allen or Dave Casper
Ken Stabler, Jim Plunkett, or Daryle Lamomica
Tim Brown or Cliff Branch
Ray Guy or George Blanda
Ben Davidson or John Matuszak
And as far as NFL influence. What about Al Davis,
Tom Flores, Ron Wolf, and John Madden?
Jim Otto
Fred Biletnikoff
Ben Davidson
Daryl Lamonica
Ray Guy
Cliff Branch
Phil Villapiano
Jack Tatum
John Madden
Raymond Chester
Pete Banaszak
George Blanda
Marv Hubbard
Dan Connors
JaMarcus Russell
Rolando McClain
Desmond Bryant
Al Davis
JUST WIN MAYBE!!!
COMMITMENT TO EXCREMENT!
al
madden
bill king
raiderettes
Marcus Allen, Tatum, Al Davis, Tim Brown
Al Davis
Willie Brown
Jim Otto
Tim Brown
Al Davis
John Madden
Tom Flores
Howie Long
Ken Stabler
Tim Brown
Al Davis, Tim Brown, Howie Long, Marcus Allen.
How great would it be if everyone went out of their way to vote only for Ray Guy or at least have Ray be number 1 on the list?
That way we could use the seemingly trivial Mount Rushmore voting to have Florio bring more attention to the real life travesty that no punter is in the Hall of Fame, let alone one that revolutionized the position.
“He’s the first punter you could look at and say: ‘He won games’”- Joe Horrigan, NFL HoF Historian
Love the Jim Plunkett and Bo Jackson inclusions. Really??? Jackson never had a 1,000 yard season and finished his career with only about 2,800 yards total. Certainly one of the all time “Might Have Been’s”, but not one of the all time greats. As to Jim Plunkett, a 15 year career where he averaged a whopping 1,725 yards a season. A .500 record as a QB. Much more likely to throw an INT than a TD. A 52% passer. Zero All Pro teams. Zero Pro Bowl teams. Not exactly the resume of an all time great. Hard to believe that there are those who lack the vision to find two guys better than this.
Al Davis, and whoever else Al Davis tells you to put up there…
AL DAVIS
JIM OTTO
JOHN MADDEN
GENE UPSHAW
ALL OF THEM HOF’ers
Man I was always thought stickum was removed from the game due to
Lester Hayes – not Fred Biletnikoff hence why it is called the Lester Hayes rule.
Anyways.
Al Davis
Jim Plunkett -only 2 superbowl winner not in HoF
Marcus Allen
Art Shell
hate the raiders but I’ll say it anyways
J. Madden
K. Stabler
F. Beleintlenkoff
G. Blanda
is JaMarcus Russell one of them?
Madden
Stabler
Belitnikoff
Otto
Blanda
Willie Brown
Shell
Hendricks
Casper
Long
Mike Haynes
Al Davis
Al Davis
3 of the following:
Gene Upshaw
Fred Biletnikoff
Jack Tatum
John Madden
Stabler, Allen, Davis, Madden
Al Davis
Jim Plunkett
Bo Jackson
Rich Gannon
1) Al Davis
2) John Madden
3) Tim Brown
4) Howie Long
p.s. Raider Nation 4 life.
This one is by far one of the toughest–and heck many of these have been tough as heck. I agree and I’m not even a Raiders fan–this is another team that needs its own Mountain Range. Reading through these comments, I see why people select they way they have.
At first, I won’t lie, I was like Davis and Madden for sure–however, I think in the NFL Rushmore they would be there hands down for the contribution to the game period and Madden did only have 1 SB compared to Flores 2 and Davis did decline the last 8-10 years, but that doesn’t take away what he did for the game. But I will go a different direction here:
Stabler
Otto
Shell
Branch
Upshaw
Marcus Allen
Fred Biletnikoff
Willie Brown
Lester Hayes
Ray Guy
Plunkett
Flores
Blanda
Trask
Tim Brown
Tatum
Howie Long
Lamonica
Casper
HM: Bo Jackson (injury stopped this one from being a must), Wisniewski, Mosebar, Christensen, Townshend, McDaniel, Haynes, McGlockton, Hendricks, Millie, Biekert, Janikowski and Lechler.
Quite the storied franchise. I picked my picks for Tampa’s Rushmore but honestly unlike some storied franchises (Raiders, Steelers, Dolphins, Packers, Bears, etc) they don’t have anywhere near as many. As a Buccaneers fan, maybe in another 30-50 years–God willing I get to live that long–maybe I will find myself having to name a ton of people for such an honor.
And this is why I hope the Raiders, Bills, Dolphins and Browns get it all turned around sooner or later–the league I think will be better with them being competitive again and at the top–IMO.
Kenny The Snake Stabler – No one in the league had the ability to bring his team down the field to win a game in the last moments as he did. One cool customer underpressure.
Number two is one that a lot of people will overlook, That is Ray Guy, their punter. In his time no other punter could punt as high, as far and as accurate as Ray Guy. No one.
And no one had opposing teams stealing his balls to check if they were pumped up with helium. And a big LOL to Bum Phillips who did it twice, after having to have Billy White Shoes Johnson line up at the edge of the tunnels for punt. Ray Guy deserves to be in the HOF.
Third would be a trio of big competitors that I can’t narrow any further. Phil Vilipiano, Ted the Stork Hendricks, and Lyle Alzado. Three totally insane, truly crazy guys that made their opponents fear them for thing off the field as much as on. True Raider in every sense of the word.
Lastly You cannot complete this list without having the Assassin as a selection. Jack Tatum spilled fear into the heart of every single WR that ever played against him. Was he always legal? I hope not! He was THE guy that set the tome for all the other crazy dudes on that roster. If you wanted to mess with him, well he would mess with you in return. And he’d take a step further a mess with your fear. He have you thinking he was gonna fallow you and your woman out of the parking lot after the game and take you down to his level in front of her. This all led up to an incredible reputation that raised his game to another level.
And of course, honorable mention goes to a bunbh of other raiders that could easily make uo another two or more Mt. Rushmores…
Fred Bilintnkoff – The Well Welker of his day
Branch – The Randy Moss of his day
Art Shell and Gene Upshaw – best left side combo EVER in football. EVER.
Jim Otto – “Double O” – the steady influence that snapped the ball and call the line checks. Lester Hayes. His use of stikum spray cause the company stalk to rise 50% every football season. And he has the skill to back it all up with his play. Lastly, this list would be incomplete without mentioning Jim Plunkett. A bust before his arrival to Raiderland and a true winning pro before he left.
Displayed with a black hole background:
1. Al Davis
2. Fred Biletnikoff (required position next to Davis to aggravate him)
3. Jim Otto
4. John Madden
Notes:
* I chose Freddie over the Snake in the Aggravator slot, because he coached for a ton of years.
* In the Raider Heart position, Jim Otto (warrior) nudges out Jim Plunkett (Lazarus w/ 2 superbowls)
* Raider Passion: Tough call of Madden over Gene Upshaw
Al Davis,John Madden,Jim Otto, & Cliff Branch. Davis and Madden are locks,Otto is half locked,and you could substitute any Raider legend with Branch and make a case for them.
JaMarcus Russell
Robert Gallery
Rolando McClain
Darrius Heyward Bey
Going with players only:
Jim Otto
Fred Biletnikoff
Snake Stabler
Howie Long
Al Davis.Marcus Allen.Art Shell.Howie Long.John Madden
Al Davis al Davis al Davis and Willie brown!!
Al Davis, Howie Long, Biletnikoff and Marcus Allen
Al
Otto
Flores (not Madden. TF won 2 SBs as HC and one as Asst.)
No way to pick #4. Pull name out of hat.
Al Davis and that is the only Raider, he is the Raiders
All deference to Al Davis and John Madden, I am picking players only.
Gene Upshaw
Art Shell (not for his coaching)
Howie Long
Marcus Allen
Lets look ath the real history of the raiders
1. Every draft pick since 2000
2. Every free agent move since 2000
3. Todd Marinovich- The next lefty Elway
4. The great Barret Robbins- jailed 5 years, no-show for super bowl
5. Rolando McClain- see news
6. J. Russsel- see news
7. Desmond Bryant- see news
8. Greg Skrepenak- jailed 2 years
9. William Joseph fraud- taxes
10. Kwame Harris beating his boyfriend
11. Anthony Smith- Murder
12. The Raider Nation who routinely gang beats opposing fans in stands.
13. Al Davis’s teeth
This team has the most tragic history in the NFL.
Jim Plunkett (2 Super Bowls)
Bo Jackson (phenom)
Ted Hendricks (my dad’s favorite)
Tom Flores (2 Super Bowls. They kinda count for something)
al davis, john madden, jim plunkett, jack tatum or willie brown
You should put four different shots of Al Davis..
wheres jim plunkett?
the 1st 2 are givens. Davis, Madden. I would probably go with Tim Brown, he was the ultimate Raider. Allen would be next but he bitched too much at the end with Davis/Raiders. Probably Upshaw next.
Al Davis
John Madden
Howie Long
Marcus Allen
Al
Shell
Upshaw
Otto
also:
1bigtex says:
May 21, 2013 6:17 PM
(removed Bo portion): As to Jim Plunkett, a 15 year career where he averaged a whopping 1,725 yards a season. A .500 record as a QB. Much more likely to throw an INT than a TD. A 52% passer. Zero All Pro teams. Zero Pro Bowl teams. Not exactly the resume of an all time great.
——> Joe Namath parlayed stats like that into the HOF along with glory 50yrs later. Oh, and you forgot the 2 SB wins.
seabass and the guys from slayer!
Chiefs fan here, just slap a turd on mount rushhmore for the raiders and call it even
Al Davis, the legend
John Madden, the Coach
George Blanda, the kicker and old man
Ray Guy, Mt Rushmore to put him in HOF
Raider fan since days of Blanda coming in for Lamonica and leading team downfield and kicking the winning field goal
Thanks for all the reminders of great Raiders everybody has listed
Al must be wearing sunglasses and Madden must have a sideline pass tag hanging from his belt
(a young)Al Davis, John Madden, George Blanda, SEBASTIAN JANIKOWSKI! He’s the highest scoring raider in team history. no joke.
if there were a dark-side rushmore: (a very old)Al Davis, Todd Marinovich, Jamarcus Russell, and a nice carving of Marcus Allen riding the bench off to the side. i won’t even get started on an injuries-rushmore. *cough*Mccallum*Cough*Bo
“Good luck you need it” … That’s right because there are so many great Raiders.
After Al Davis … Naming only 3 other raiders is impossible and not fair to all the great players that wore the black and silver over the years.
It amazing me how many losers post on these Raider threads …. seriously every franchise in the league has a dark side but that’s the problem these morons.
How many SBs does their teams have … that eliminate 90% of them and the other 10% are not as ignorant and have knowledge of the game.
I know is a biotch when you can have one and the Raider Nation has 3 … Yup 3 of them …. LMFAO.
Seabass
Lechler
Ray guy
George Blanda
jim otto
art shell
marcus allen
gene upshaw
hm:
bo jackson
long
stabler
hendricks
w brown
t brown
belitnikoff
plunkett
lamonica
hayes
casper
sistrunk
r martin
guy
christensen
gannon
blanda
woodson
I suppose you could go a different way …
1. John Elway
2. Dan Fouts
3. Lynn Swann
4. Don Shula
Because the Raiders owned those guys.
I’m gonna go with what I watched growing up.
Al Davis
Tim Brown
Howie Long
Marcus Allen
W Marcus as far away from Al as he can be.
I think we all agree that there are just too many Raiders to choose just four, so I put it this way:
1. Al Davis, of course
2. 76/77 Raiders
3. 80/81 Raiders
4. 83/84 Raiders
Al Davis
John Madden
Howie Long
Gene Upshaw
HM Jim Otto and Willie Brown
Jim Otto
Al Davis
Lester Hayes
Art Shell
1. Mr Davis
2. Bo Jackson
3. Ray Guy
4. Jim Plunkett
Al Davis, Marcus Allen, John Madden, George Blanda
Sorry, have to have three Mt. Rushmores to accommodate the Raiders: #1- Al Davis, John Madden, Fred Biletnikoff, Jim Otto; #2- Ken Stabler, Willie Brown, Gene Upshaw, Ray Guy; #3 (five-headed Mt. Rushmore)- Howie Long, Dave Casper, Ted Hendricks, Art Shell, Marcus Allen. Sorry Cliff Branch, Tim Brown and many others….
George Blanda. Jim Plunkett. John Matuzak. Lyle Alzado.
The Raiders were the home of the reclamation project and these guys were great examples.
The Raiders have too many to narrow to four, so I picked a category (guys who came off of the trash heap to reap Raider rewards) and gave my best examples.
Only 4 spots for the Raiders is impossible.
We’re NOT the Bengals.
Al Davis
Bo Jackson
Marcus Allen
Willie Brown
Honorable Mention: NWA
Al Davis
Marcus Allen (have to chisel him right next to Davis)
John Madden
Upshaw
Al Davis – No reason needed
Art Shell – 1st African American Coach
Tom Flores – 1st Hispanic Coach
George Blanda – Kicker, QB, at 45? Really?
The Raider Nation can’t use a monument like Mt. Rushmore. It would take the Vietnam Memorial Wall in DC to list the most important Raiders in history.
That’s what people don’t get about the Raider Nation. Once you’re a Raider, you’re a Raider FOR LIFE! Why do you think Al had more HOF inductions speeches than anybody? Why do you think all of the old players stick around and coach?
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders till I die!
based on the mystique…
al davis
jack tatum
howie long
lyle alzado
based on coaching
al davis (two spots)
john madden
tom flores
based on players only
stabler
hendricks
biletnikoff
w.brown
this is a near impossible task…
not that many teams in the league that can really have a true mt.rushmore…haters gon’ hate but if you hate on the legend of the raiders, you really aren’t a fan of the game…just like i refuse to hate on the historical importance of the packers, chiefs, broncos, bears, etc…
Al Davis
Jim Otto
Art Shell
John Madden
The Autumn Wind is a pirate,
Blustering in from sea,
With a rollocking song, he sweeps along,
Swaggering boisterously.
His face is weather beaten.
He wears a hooded sash,
With a silver hat about his head,
And a bristling black mustache.
He growls as he storms the country,
A villain big and bold.
And the trees all shake and quiver and quake,
As he robs them of their gold.
The Autumn Wind is a raider,
Pillaging just for fun.
He’ll knock you ’round and upside down,
And laugh when he’s conquered and won.
Al Davis, Jim Otto, Willie Brown and Art Shell.
You could make a strong case for three … four … maybe even five completely different Raiders’ Mt Rushmores. What a history!
P.S. PFT – Your comical Mt. Rushmore isn’t big enough for the Raiders which is why we coined the phrase “Raider Nation”.
You can’t just name 4, to many great players and too much History for this iconic franchise!!!!!!!
Delete that!
Al Davis is obviously a slam-dunk pick.
After that you could go so many directions with the other three.
Madden or Flores?
Madden’s teams were more successful year in and year out, he’s in the Hall, and one of the most famous figures in football for his announcing/video game legacy. Flores has Madden 2 to 1 in rings, played QB for the Raiders and has been the team’s radio guy for years. I’d probably lean Madden but it’s a tough call. Can’t go with 3 of 4 non-players so only one of these guys gets in at the max.
Gene Upshaw vs. Art Shell vs. Jim Otto:
Another very tough call among these o-line greats. Otto has longevity and has long been dubbed “Mr. Raider.” Shell was a HOF left tackle, one of the best ever, and later became the league’s first black head coach with the Raiders. But I’m going to go with Upshaw who was possibly the biggest leader on those 70s Raiders teams, a tremendous HOF player and later the president of the Players’ Union for many, many years.
Howie Long vs. Tim Brown vs. Stabler vs. Plunkett vs. Blanda vs. Willie Brown vs. Biletnikoff vs. Tatum vs. Hendricks vs. Hayes vs. Haynes vs. Willie Brown:
Not sure how you pick one out of this bunch. I’m tempted to go Stabler for QB representation but it shouldn’t all be 70s guys. That would exclude many of the others as well. Plunkett got two rings, but was not so great in other years to beat out these other guys, IMHO. It’s such a tough call but with wanting to get some different era guys in there it comes down to Long vs. Brown. Long is already in the Hall and got a ring. Brown should obviously already be in the Hall and got to three AFC Title games and a Super Bowl but never got a ring. However, I’m going to pick a mild upset and go with Timmy here. Guy was a mainstay and perennial Pro Bowler for a LONG time and spanned the late 80s through the early 2000s. He was a truly great and sadly underrated player (at least by the HOF Committee).
So there’s mine:
- AL DAVIS
- JOHN MADDEN
- GENE UPSHAW
- TIM BROWN
anicra says:
May 21, 2013 6:23 PM
Man I was always thought stickum was removed from the game due to
Lester Hayes – not Fred Biletnikoff hence why it is called the Lester Hayes rule.
Anyways.
Al Davis
Jim Plunkett -only 2 superbowl winner not in HoF
Marcus Allen
Art Shell
___________________________________
Biletnikoff was the reason Lester Hayes used Stickum!
Al Davis
Willie Brown
Art Shell
Howie Long
Fred Biletnikoff
Marcus Allen
George Blanda
Howie Long
Al Davis
Ted Hendricks
Fred Biletnikoff
Gene Upshaw
That was hard…Very Very Hard
I missed this the other day. So many memories – very hard to choose. I’m 60 now, became a Raider fan in 1968, I think, the day I saw Gene Upshaw, in his rookie season, lead Charlie Smith in a sweep around left end. That was the year they lost to the Packers in the Super Bowl. A lot of great players and great teams over the glory years. A lot of reclamation projects and cast-offs found new life with Al’s renegades – Matuszak and Alzado, to name two. A lot of new ground broken and history made – Art Shell, Tom Flores, Amy Trask. Rule changes – holy roller, stickem, do I dare say the “tuck rule”? A lot of firsts – Bo Jackson playing two sports. How do you pick just four?
But if I had to –
1) Al Davis – he was the living epitome of the Oakland Raiders. The Raiders were his life and so were his players.
2) John Madden – first SB win, and Hall of Famer.
3) Gene Upshaw – HOF guard and NFLPA president.
4) Art Shell – HOF tackle and first black coach in the NFL.
Honorable mention – George Blanda, the old man and those miracle wins will never be forgotten.
Super Bowls Have Everything to do with this:
Al Davis
Kenny Stabler, Leader & QB of 1sr Super Bowl
Jim Plunkett, 2 time SB Winner
Lester Hayes 2 Time SB Winner
Charlie Garner
Jerry Rice
Shawntae Spencer
Dana Stubblefield
I can’t do top 4. The top 4 is for the sorry charger fans to deliberate. Us raider fans and non-raider fans can run off 25 players without even blinking.
I’m doing Top 25
1. Al Davis
2. John Madden
3. Gene Upshaw
4. Art Shell
5. Howie Long
6. Jim Otto
7. Willie Brown
8. Fred Biletnikoff
9. Tim Brown
10. Jack Tatum
11. George Atkinson
12. Cliff Branch
13. Marcus Allen
14. Ken Stabler
15. Bo Jackson (my favorite all time raider)
16. Jim Plunkett
17. Mike Haynes
18. Lester Hayes
19. Greg Townsend
20. Phil Villapiano
21. Tom Flores
22. Steve Wisneiwski
23. Todd Christensen
24. Lyle Alzado
25. John Matuszak
Al Davis
John Madden
Tom Flores
Ken Stabler (simply for who he was and what he represented as what a Raider is)
- I hope to replace Stabler with Reggie Mack one day. I think it is best to keep the players off of this one since it is just too impossible to compare all the Raider greats. Raider Nation fan base is a nomination as well.
1 Nation to rule them all…
al davis,tim brown,howie long,jim plunkett
Al Davis
John madden
The assassin
The snake
Mt. Rushmore
1.Gene Upshaw
2.Marcus Allen
3.Howie Long
4.Ken Stabler
Anti-Mt. Rushmore
1.Jamarcus Russell
2.Todd Marinovich
3.Lane Kiffen
4.Mike Shanahan
Tim Brown? Really?
Unless you plan to put 10 or 11 faces up there someone who deserves to be up there will be left off. So many great Raiders over the years how do you pick only four?
Raider Nation
Pride and Poise
Commitment to Excellence
Just Win Baby
1. Al Davis
2. John Madden
3. Bo Jackson
4. There are way too many to list just one more
Al Davis
Art Shell
Gene Upshaw
Willie Brown
The Core Four:
Al Davis
John Madden
Art Shell
Jim Otto
Deserving candidates:
Leadership: Al David, John Madden, Tom Flores, Art Shell, Ron Wolf, Amy Trask
QB: George Blanda, Daryle Larmonica, Ken Stabler, Rich Gannon, Cotton Davidson
RB: Marcus Allen, Bo Jackson, Clem Daniels, Marv Hubbard, Hewritt Dixon, Mark Van Eeghen
WR: Tim Brown, Fred Beletnikoff, Art Powell, Cliff Branch
TE: Todd Christensen, Dave Casper, Raymond Chester
T: Art Shell, Lincoln Kennedy, Harry Shuh
G: Gene Upshaw, Steve Wisniewski, Wayne Hawkins
C: Jim Otto, Don Mosebar
DE: Howie Long, Ben Davidson, Greg Townsend
DT: Chester McGlockton, John Matuszak
LB: Ted Hendricks, Phil Villapiano, Rod Martin, Dan Conners, Matt Millen
DB: Willie Brown, Lester Hayes, Mike Haynes, Terry McDaniel, Charles Woodson, Jack Tatum, Fred Williamson, Nnamdi Asomugha, Dave Grayson, George Atkinson, Vann McElroy
ST: Ray Guy, Shane Lechler, Sebastian Janikowski, Jeff Jaeger
With them too briefly to count:
***Bo Jackson***
Eric Dickerson
James Lofton
Ron Mix
Ronnie Lott
Rod Woodson
Bob Brown
Warren Sapp
Alas poor Bo, we hardly knew ye!
Forgot to give props to Jerry Rice and Lyle Alzado for their Raider years.
And how about Carl Weathers? From OK in the NFL to being a star in Hollywood; not too shabby!
Al Davis
John Madden
Marcus Allen
Howie Long
Al Davis
John Madden
Amy Trask
The Black Hole
There are too many great players to name only one. Al, John, and Amy changed the NFL forever. An argument can be made that todays NFL would not be what it is without Al Davis. John Madden will took football in the homes and hearts of millions of people. Amy Trask broke through the glass ceiling in the most impossible of places, and with great skill and class proved to be every bit as tough as any Raider ever.
Al Davis
John Madden
Marcus Allen
Ken Stabler
HM Seabass
If you left Al Davis off the list, you are not a Raider fan.
Al Davis
Jim Plunkett
Tim Brown
Jim Otto
Al Davis
John Madden
Jim Otto
Ken Stabler