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Steelers, Patriots buck trend of growing coaching staffs

Mike Tomlin AP

Rosters have swollen to 90 players per team this time of year, and in most precincts, coaching staffs have grown to reflect that new reality.

But two of the league’s traditionally better-coached teams are also the ones with the smallest groups of coaches.

According to Field Yates of ESPNBoston.com, the only team with fewer than the 17 coaches the Patriots employ would be the Steelers, who have 15.

The Panthers and Falcons also have 17, while the Redskins and Bengals have 18 each.

By contrast, the Eagles and Seahawks have 24 each, the Buccaneers 23 and the Cardinals, Chiefs, Jaguars, Rams and Vikings have 22 each.

The diversity of both groups effectively mutes the correlation between more or fewer voices and wins, though the former college coaches tend to have more help (and some owners are just cheap).

If anything, the Steelers and Patriots have two of the strongest personas in the league for head coaches in Bill Belichick and Mike Tomlin, and that kind of centralized control doesn’t lend itself to collaboration.

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49 Responses to “Steelers, Patriots buck trend of growing coaching staffs”
  1. mazblast says: May 27, 2013 2:56 PM

    I’m still trying to figure out what a “quality control” coach is/does.

  2. blackngold4life says: May 27, 2013 3:02 PM

    24 Coaches?? that’s just stupid..

  3. 6ball says: May 27, 2013 3:10 PM

    .

    With all the time spent ” coaching the coaches ”, where’s the time to coach the players?

    .

  4. boyshole25 says: May 27, 2013 3:12 PM

    Lets not compare Tomlin to bill in NE that not even close Rooney rule or not

  5. brianc34 says: May 27, 2013 3:13 PM

    A quality control coach breaks down film in most cases. When they say 24 coaches, I would tend to believe about 10 actually have on field duty.

  6. 6sbtitles2sweet says: May 27, 2013 3:16 PM

    When you have the most Lombardi Trophies and anything less than a Superbowl run EVERY year is disappointing……don’t question anything!

  7. bengalguy says: May 27, 2013 3:29 PM

    Hey 6sbtitles2sweet,
    Your right….no one should question the Steelers staff!
    That being said…..get ready to be disappointed for many years to come my friend, it’ll b a while b4 your competitive again!!! Baaaahaaaaaaasa!!!!!!
    WHO DEY & out!

  8. japmen says: May 27, 2013 3:36 PM

    Pats and Stealers don’t need extra coaches. Their extras are wearing the striped outfits every week.

  9. lagg1 says: May 27, 2013 3:40 PM

    As stated in the article, this is a reflection of the persona of the coach. Are they control freaks? I don’t think that that is fair. It might be reflective of how the team is comprised-more veteran laden or more youthful. John Harbaugh just hired two more coaches, I think because his team is younger than last year plus he lost a lot of veteran leadership. Teams though better be wary of the law of diminishing returns. You add so much until you reach the tipping point, then the excess hurts you.

  10. vaphinfan says: May 27, 2013 3:41 PM

    Just as long as the Pats have more than enough camera guys they are good.

  11. 6sbtitles2sweet says: May 27, 2013 4:02 PM

    Hey bengalguy, Your acting like a Browns fan now. You guys haven’t done ANYTHING substantially in 25+ years so plz quit embarrassing yourself. Conference championships, Lombarti Trophies, hall of famers, owners, 3 coaches in the last 40+ years, fans….plz guy, your team can’t be said in the same sentence, WAKE UP DUDE!!

  12. Deb says: May 27, 2013 4:03 PM

    Rosters have swollen to 90 players this time of year and coaching staffs have grown to reflect that new reality? That’s a stretch. This process has been going on for a while, and if your theory about growing the coaching staff to match the roster were correct, they’d also trim the coaching staff when they make their cuts. Why carry extra coaches to manage players who’ll only be on board a couple of months?

    Some teams just want to carry extra specialty coaches–like that kicking specialist who was with the Ravens when Cundiff blew their season. Yeah, he was a big help. Sometimes less is more.

  13. giantssb42champs says: May 27, 2013 4:05 PM

    I’m pretty sure the Pats don’t count their army of video guys as coaches.

  14. sixburghsteelers says: May 27, 2013 4:15 PM

    Some of y’all to stop living in the past with this video/cheating stuff with the Pats…

    Hell, I’m a Steeler fan and HATE the Pats but give it a rest…Puuuuuuhlease

  15. rockthered1286 says: May 27, 2013 4:36 PM

    While Tomlin may be a top 10 coach in the NFL today, in no way should Tomlin’s name even be uttered in the same sentence as BB. At least BB can win with his own players as opposed to the ones handed to him like Tomlin. And BB knows how to operate in FA and the draft.

  16. rockthered1286 says: May 27, 2013 4:37 PM

    @sixburghsteelers

    Did you SERIOUSLY just say stop living in the past?! Do you realize that living in the past is THE ONLY THING STEELERS FANS DO?! I mean come on even your username says it bud.

  17. thestrategyexpert says: May 27, 2013 4:37 PM

    Sometimes too many cooks in the kitchen is a bad thing. The key is getting QUALITY coaches that can really have an impact. But there’s a massive shortage of these guys and a LOT of teams have some really lousy coaches.

  18. Nofoolnodrool says: May 27, 2013 4:40 PM

    japmen | May 27, 2013, 3:36 PM EDT
    Pats and Stealers don’t need extra coaches. Their extras are wearing the striped outfits every week.

    A little bitter? Let it go you can’t change now all you can do is whine which makes you sound pathetic so…ssshhhh.

  19. vaphinfan says: May 27, 2013 4:44 PM

    Spygate

  20. ravenunitas says: May 27, 2013 4:45 PM

    Some of y’all to stop living in the past with this video/cheating stuff with the Pats…

    Hell, I’m a Steeler fan and HATE the Pats but give it a rest…Puuuuuuhlease
    ====================================

    Ok we will give it a rest if YOU stop with the bull$hit we have six trophies crap.

  21. realdealsteel says: May 27, 2013 5:07 PM

    Ravenitas, Shut up with your jealous butt.

    Our last ring was three years ago..so that’s not really the past. Unlike the fact your team goes 13 years in between rings.

    You will never, EVER catch us in rings. Deal with it.

  22. raiders757 says: May 27, 2013 5:11 PM

    It’s well known that Kraft and the Rooney family put Goodell in place, so they have no need for extra coaches knowing that they’ll get their way with a wink of an eye. The Rooney family and Kraft are the Koch Brothers of the NFL.

  23. frankiefiveangels says: May 27, 2013 5:18 PM

    The Patriots have always had a small number of coaches. What this article should say is that they (and maybe Pittsburgh) have a large number of scouts and college coaches they talk to. Patriot scouts are everywhere. Which might explain why they have lately signed players from the CFL, guys who never played college football, and guys who many believe were drafted too high.

  24. bengalguy says: May 27, 2013 5:32 PM

    Steelers fans mantra: ” Man we used to be good!” Must be awsome always looking in the past instead of the present!!!

  25. j0esixpack says: May 27, 2013 5:38 PM

    I think the Patriots also hand out more responsibility to their veteran players. This probably fills a teaching gap and also helps hone leadership skills on the team.

  26. eaglebobby says: May 27, 2013 5:41 PM

    Among the Eagles 24 coaches are their “sports science coordinator” who’s basically a nutritionist, two assistant strength and conditioning coaches, one head strength and conditioning coach, their offensive quality control assistant and defensive quality control assistant.

    Typically, the Steelers are tight with their money both with players and coaches.

  27. crownofthehelmet says: May 27, 2013 6:06 PM

    15 coaches. I’m obviously biased, but that’s impressive efficiency, given the consistent success.

  28. harrisonhits2 says: May 27, 2013 6:43 PM

    The Pats have Brady on the field, who is like another offensive coach.

    Scarnecchia who has worked forever for the Pats and is the best Oline coach in the league, he doesn’t need any help.

    Pepper Johnson who has also coached with Belichick for a long long time and is a great coach who doesn’t need help to get his job done.

    Ivan Fears the RB coach another one who has done the job a long time under BB.

    McDaniels who may not have done great as a head coach but its a very good OC.

    The list goes on. The Pats don’t need as many guys with staff like that.

  29. bujuman69 says: May 27, 2013 7:19 PM

    BB has not won anything since Spygate! He’s failed to win (SB) with much better talent than the Spygate rosters. His legacy will be forever tarnished.

  30. gnorules says: May 27, 2013 7:42 PM

    And I thought they said that size doesn’t matter, but how you use it.

  31. Joemontanaflacco says: May 27, 2013 7:54 PM

    So, what does fewer coaches mean? Patriots are a winning franchise. Steelers fought tooth and nail just to break even last year and hold on to an embarrassing 3rd place in the AFC North. I’d say the number of coaches is less a factor than having an elite quarterback with elite receivers like the Ravens and the Patriots.

  32. lennylyles says: May 27, 2013 8:05 PM

    Steeler fans you have six rings in 80 years!!! That is one ring per every 13 years. The Ravens 2 rings in 17 years or one ring per every 8.5 years. Winner Ravens!

  33. hedleykow says: May 27, 2013 8:13 PM

    How is Mike Tomlin one of the strongest personas in the league? Tomlin set the table for Tebow beat his team in a playoff game, because he was too weak to take charge and put someone in as qb who had more than one leg. I am not a Tomlin fan. Never will be.

  34. baltimoresnativeson says: May 27, 2013 8:34 PM

    And neither has the trophy right now. Suck on that.
    Go Ravens.

  35. steel2372 says: May 27, 2013 8:35 PM

    bengalguy

    We will be competitive this upcoming season. I’m not sure where you get we wont be competitive for a long time. We are always competitive in the AFCN.

  36. steelerfan9598 says: May 27, 2013 8:37 PM

    bengalguy says:
    May 27, 2013 5:32 PM
    Steelers fans mantra: ” Man we used to be good!” Must be awsome always looking in the past instead of the present!!!

    If the past is 3 years ago, and 2 in the last 8 years, sure. What’s yours? ‘Man, we ALMOST won a Super Bowl 30 years ago’?

  37. jeffa43 says: May 27, 2013 8:52 PM

    With all those cameras spying, the Patriots could downsize a few more coaches.

  38. 8man says: May 27, 2013 9:17 PM

    Do what the Steelers and Patriots do. You will be better for it.

    Their records over the last decade and Super Bowl appearances say enough.

  39. bigbenv says: May 27, 2013 9:17 PM

    bujuman69 says:
    May 27, 2013 7:19 PM
    BB has not won anything since Spygate! He’s failed to win (SB) with much better talent than the Spygate rosters. His legacy will be forever tarnished.

    _______________________________
    If you knew anything you would know that it was LEGAL to tape signals from the sidelines all the way up to 2006 and every team did it. It only became illegal in the off-season between 2006 & 2007. The Super Bowls are not tainted…but his legacy is, very little. BB still has the most wins since the 2007 season, so give it a rest.

    Also, the Pats spend their money very wisely…on scouts, unlike teams like the Bengals (who I don’t mind as a team) that employ only 8 scouts.

  40. floriodoosh says: May 27, 2013 9:35 PM

    bujuman69 says:

    BB has not won anything since Spygate! He’s failed to win (SB) with much better talent than the Spygate rosters. His legacy will be forever tarnished.

    —————————————–

    Yeah, he hasn’t won anything… except they have the highest winning percentage in the NFL post spygate. Oh, and their winning percentage is higher since spygate.

    They’ve been to two SBs (where they lost by only 3 or 4 points) and won their Division every year that Brady has been QB since 2002.

    I guess you can’t win ‘em all, but that’s a pretty good record.

  41. navyeoddavee9 says: May 27, 2013 10:27 PM

    bengalguy: you haven’t won a playoff game in 22 years. So please be quiet, until your bengals actually do something, probably in about another 22 years.

  42. steelcurtainn says: May 28, 2013 12:42 AM

    @lennylyles
    Actually your stats are a tad bit misleading. Let me clear this one up for you.
    Steelers 6 Rings in 47 superbowls! That is one ring every 7.8 years. The Ravens 2 rings in 17 superbowls or 1 ring every 8.5 years.
    Winner Steelers. Have a good one!

  43. Nofoolnodrool says: May 28, 2013 7:10 AM

    Joemontanaflacco | May 27, 2013, 7:54 PM EDT
    So, what does fewer coaches mean? Patriots are a winning franchise. Steelers fought tooth and nail just to break even last year and hold on to an embarrassing 3rd place in the AFC North. I’d say the number of coaches is less a factor than having an elite quarterback with elite receivers like the Ravens and the Patriots.

    You are lucky there is no screening for logical content or all your posts would be tossed. Steelers lost a few games on the last play of the game Mr 4/29. Ssshhh anyone can type so when you can make sense post.

  44. tsizzlesucks says: May 28, 2013 7:54 AM

    Hey bengalguy…When’s the last time you lost a super bowl? Forget about getting back there any time soon…your owner is way too cheap! The Brownies will be there long before you…their owner will spend some of his illegal profits!

  45. tsizzlesucks says: May 28, 2013 7:58 AM

    Hey lennylyk
    les…how many rings does BB and the Pats have in the last 12 yrs? That’s one every 4 years…but I hear bowling is a big sport in Balt!

  46. Joemontanaflacco says: May 28, 2013 11:36 AM

    “Steelers lost a few games on the last play of the game Mr 4/29. Ssshhh anyone can type so when you can make sense post.”

    Uh…nofool. Wasn’t the Charlie Batch game (the happiest moment of your entire life) won on the last play of the game? You make these arguments and I keep shooting them down. What fun! Hahahaha!

  47. Nofoolnodrool says: May 28, 2013 1:29 PM

    “Steelers lost a few games on the last play of the game Mr 4/29. Ssshhh anyone can type so when you can make sense post.”

    Uh…nofool. Wasn’t the Charlie Batch game (the happiest moment of your entire life) won on the last play of the game? You make these arguments and I keep shooting them down. What fun! Hahahaha!
    Uh… Troll when did I mention Charlie Batch? If you tell the truth you never to worry about lying. Happiest days of my life were returning from Viet nam and my wedding day. Yours will be graduation from high school.

  48. floriodoosh says: May 28, 2013 1:34 PM

    lennylyles says:
    May 27, 2013 8:05 PM
    Steeler fans you have six rings in 80 years!!! That is one ring per every 13 years. The Ravens 2 rings in 17 years or one ring per every 8.5 years. Winner Ravens!

    ——————————————————

    Man, I cant wait for SB LXXXI this year!

  49. tigerlilac says: May 28, 2013 4:43 PM

    “Pats and Stealers (sic) don’t need extra coaches. Their extras are wearing the striped outfits every week.”

    How astute, it couldn’t be that they are just the better team on most Sundays. And that guy that your girlfriend left you for in college wasn’t better in bed than you, he was drugging her.

    (That said, the ref comment was a funny line and made me laugh. I also take it as a complement.)

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