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“Dogfight” anticipated over offsets in Jordan deal

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Over the weekend, we explained that folks in league circles are keeping an eye on the looming negotiations between the Dolphins and defensive end Dion Jordan, anticipating a squabble over offsets.

Even though the Dolphins moved from No. 12 to No. 3 to select Jordan, it’s believed that the Dolphins will continue their trend of insisting on the placement of offset language in deals that provide guaranteed money to the player.

One source with direct knowledge of the situation says that a “dogfight” is coming on the issue between the Dolphins and Jordan.

Five years ago, I would have cringed a little over the use of the term “dogfight.”  But that’s what the source said, which shows how time tends to take the stink out of a term that went from being a perfectly acceptable sports cliché to having a taint.

(And, yes, Beavis.  I said taint.)

Last year, quarterback Ryan Tannehill missed part of training camp over the issue.  It remains to be seen whether and to what extend Jordan digs in if/when the Dolphins insist on the use of offset language, which simply means that Jordan won’t be able to double dip if he’s cut during his four-year contract and signs elsewhere.

At some point, the player surely will blink, since the alternative is to sit out the entire season and re-enter the draft.  And not play in 2013, and not get paid.

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  1. thestrategyexpert says: May 29, 2013 10:39 PM

    Dig in Dion. Miami WILL cave, they can’t afford the embarrassment. You can’t actually lose money unless they prove they won’t cave, and that is not going to happen.

    Get everything you can from this team, just in case this isn’t the right team for you, which it doesn’t sound like it is. Somebody else out there would love to have a shot at appreciating you more. Be patient and stick it to these jokers.

  2. benmci says: May 29, 2013 10:42 PM

    Sad use of words “DOGFIGHT”. Printing dogfight and not mentioning Mike Vick…….kinda like buying shoes and getting no shoestrings

  3. dolphindubs says: May 29, 2013 10:46 PM

    Why SHOULD a player get to double-dip? Thats crap. I’m with the organizations on this one

  4. gottaplan says: May 29, 2013 10:48 PM

    You know who usually wins a dogfight?… The big dog! Sign your contract rookie and get on the field! Who gets to double dip in life anyway? That is a ridiculous expectation and/or demand.

  5. basexc9 says: May 29, 2013 10:50 PM

    So stupid. If you’re cut by a team, you don’t deserve to keep getting paid by them, especially if you’re a rook

  6. dirtybird28 says: May 29, 2013 10:51 PM

    heheh, taint

  7. securb2013 says: May 29, 2013 11:00 PM

    He is a nice to have on the Dolphin’s defence and an upgrade but in no way a show-stopper. He needs the team more than they need him.

  8. jack3dsd says: May 29, 2013 11:03 PM

    here come the Vick jokes

  9. beachsidejames says: May 29, 2013 11:07 PM

    There is always a strategy expert when its some else’s money

  10. Stiller43 says: May 29, 2013 11:10 PM

    Okay…sit out a year and see who wants to draft you as high as the dolphins did and this give you a contract as large…go ahead…

  11. delbert90 says: May 29, 2013 11:32 PM

    He should not accept a deal that is not equal to that of his peers drafted around him, with regard to the terms of the contract. I’d suggest he sign a one year deal with a CFL team then come back to the NFL next year. I don’t think it’s asking for much to ask for a team to be fair when it comes to a contract. Rookies don’t make nearly what they used to, there’s no sense in a team trying to change the system.

  12. dbones750 says: May 29, 2013 11:34 PM

    Some nice zingers in there, Flodog. Keep em comin.

    Clearly the dogfight ref was to Vick. Some jokes are more subtle than others….

  13. miamikillerdolphins says: May 29, 2013 11:48 PM

    As a dolphin fan.I can understand both sides.U dnt want to give a player all this guarantee money and he is nothing but a bust!( JaMarcus Russell) Then again as for the player.The contract ain’t high as it was three years ago,n ur still trying to hold out money on me! Give me my money.WHAT U GOT ON MY 40!(Deeboo on Friday)

  14. j0esixpack says: May 29, 2013 11:53 PM

    Miami better watch out

    Given a new rookie salary structure that is very team friendly, it’s kindof tough to fault a player for wanting to be paid where he was actually drafted

    The Fins should cut their losses and admit they are just lucky this ISN’T 5 years ago in the old CBA

  15. thestrategyexpert says: May 29, 2013 11:55 PM

    beachsidejames:

    Very true, I don’t have to sweat the pressure to play the game. But if the player can free his mind from that fear, then he can win the game. The only question is what does he perceive the game to be?

    And while you and I discuss the finer points of this negotiating game, Miami continues to increase the odds that their big dog attitude will teach the young new pup how to evolve into a big dog on his own, and when he does he might come biting back.

    Sometimes these dogs don’t do exactly what you program them to do. You may be the hand that feeds them, but piss them off enough and they think with their teeth first.

    Miami is not off to a good start with regards to how they are raising their new pet. Particularly by treating Dion like as if he is a dog of any kind.

    Don’t sweat it Dion, it may not be my money, but I wouldn’t post my advice if it wasn’t solid for you. FWIW to you regardless of what it may be worth to those that support your master’s position.

  16. shaunypoo says: May 29, 2013 11:59 PM

    All this is going to do is serve to alienate players. Do you think they are going to want to sign the second contract with you?

  17. rondayne33 says: May 30, 2013 12:42 AM

    Oh thestrategyexpert, need I have to re-post exactly what I wrote yesterday on the subject?

  18. 4thqtrsaint says: May 30, 2013 12:53 AM

    Will this dogfight have a rape stand?

  19. jerryd1 says: May 30, 2013 1:28 AM

    Offset is important for Miami, because Ireland drafts so many Bust-a-roos … it comes into play.

    Methinks they should direct their energy to getting over the Mendoza Line … scrubbery is the legacy for a decade.

  20. gvboot says: May 30, 2013 1:46 AM

    My granddad was a dogfighter.
    P51 Mustang.

  21. thestiffxone says: May 30, 2013 2:10 AM

    Haha a project DE fighting the same battle as a potential franchise QB… Good luck Dion. Way to start out like a pro…

  22. maximusprime107 says: May 30, 2013 3:17 AM

    If the Dolphins didn’t want to pay him like the 3rd overall pick, they shouldn’t have moved up to take him

  23. brohamma says: May 30, 2013 4:14 AM

    The numbers don’t lie. Dion Jordan should have NEVER been drafted as high as he was.

    Jordan was a Wide Receiver for Oregon in 2009 (and he still looks like one.. good luck on the NFL edge) so here are his stats for the 3 years on the DL.

    2010: 33tkl (5.5 loss), 2 sacks, 1 pass def.
    2011: 42tkl (13 loss), 7.5 sacks, 1 forced fum.
    2012: 44tkl (10.5 loss), 5 sacks, 1 pass def, 3 forced fum.

    I did NOT forget his interceptions.. the fact is that he had ZERO in his college career. Zero in the pass-happy Pac-12 and only 3 passes defensed! That is an issue. The real alarming trend is the 2011-2012 drop in tackles for loss and sacks after teams were no longer surprised by him and chipped him with a TE or had a running back pick him up.

    Also, he has no inside move whatsoever. He is a pure outside speed rusher and in the NFL his slender frame is going to get manhandled. Miami better protect their wallet because this guy has the potential to be branded with the bust label.

  24. j4man1 says: May 30, 2013 5:30 AM

    Yes Beavis, I said taint, I also said extend when it should have been extent.

  25. rockphinagain says: May 30, 2013 6:05 AM

    Sign your contract rookie. You havent proven anything yet let alone that you deserve to get paid by TWO teams if you wind up not being good enough to stick in this team.

    Strategyexpert seems like a tool and not a Dolphins fan.

  26. dvnelson72 says: May 30, 2013 6:50 AM

    I don’t understand why the phins would insist on this for a top 10 pick.

    They will not cut him in the next 4 years, unless he is in jail or goes all Lawrence Phillips. I don’t think they would have drafted him if they were concerned about that.

    I get it with free agents. Too many of them don’t work out. With that said, why the hell do the phins care if someone double dips? If it is money already spent, what is the difference to them?

  27. ebr362 says: May 30, 2013 6:57 AM

    This fully guarenteed contract stuff is BS, especially for a rookie deal. Yes he was a high pick, but a high pick with an injured shoulder that is not prototypical size for his position. Players like Jason Taylor bodybuild often do not have long careers at that position and when you tie in DJ’s shoulder injury already, I’m with the Fins on this one.

  28. classactcalvin81 says: May 30, 2013 7:00 AM

    Man thank goodness the Phins jumped in front of us to grab him! He reminds me too much of Avril and after reading this he sounds like his brother. Don’t cave Miami, why should u, u hold all the leverage. Yes he will play in 2013 and will accept the offer as training camp approaches.

  29. hehateme2 says: May 30, 2013 7:15 AM

    beachsidejames says: May 29, 2013 11:07 PM
    There is always a “strategy expert” when its some else’s money

    And a clueless troll to boot! The Dolphins have done a masterful job with their cap and spending.

  30. eagleswin says: May 30, 2013 7:16 AM

    delbert90 says:
    May 29, 2013 11:32 PM
    He should not accept a deal that is not equal to that of his peers drafted around him, with regard to the terms of the contract. I’d suggest he sign a one year deal with a CFL team then come back to the NFL next year. I don’t think it’s asking for much to ask for a team to be fair when it comes to a contract. Rookies don’t make nearly what they used to, there’s no sense in a team trying to change the system.

    ——————————

    They are not offering him less guaranteed money than his peers. They are protecting themselves from this player being a bust and double dipping. Even with the offset the player is guaranteed the same amount of money. The offset is just to keep him from double dipping if he is cut. If he is cut and doesn’t sign with another team he still get’s all his guaranteed money.

    Offsets should be mandatory in all sports contracts.

  31. FinFan68 says: May 30, 2013 7:21 AM

    This is not about him NOT getting paid. If he is cut he still gets the money. If a team signs him for less then the Dolphins make up the difference so the player would not lose money from the initial contract. The demand for no offset is ridiculous. No player should be paid TWICE. Free money is not a business strategy. I”ve yet to see a good argument for the players/agents on this issue.

  32. bestbitter says: May 30, 2013 7:34 AM

    I’m offended by your use of the ‘D-word’. How dare you not consider my sensitivities before you posted this. I demand you change the title and never use the ‘D-word’ again.

  33. jjb0811 says: May 30, 2013 7:44 AM

    Miami aiming to keep their awful record streak going! What’s it been 10 years since they tried? Marino hung them up in 99 and so did the organization.

  34. hatesycophants says: May 30, 2013 8:24 AM

    The Dolphins and their organization have sucked for the past couple decades. If they were tearing up the league or having any consistent success, they would rightfully be setting trends. Why on earth should any professional agree to terms outside the standard contract to play for them?

  35. thestrategyexpert says: May 30, 2013 1:02 PM

    hehateme2:

    This isn’t a cap and spending complaint. It’s an initial rapport foundation issue that I think poses more risks than potential rewards to fool around with.

    If you are trying to create chemistry, then go ahead and make your investments to bring in the ingredients, just be careful on how you mix them together, just so that you don’t get the bad kind of explosive results.

  36. beachsidejames says: May 30, 2013 1:06 PM

    Stategyexpert’s strategy of putting me 1st instead of the team 1st dosen’t work anymore. Guys like that end up like T.O. Dolphins are trying to better themselves as a team and are shedding themselves of selffish diva types.

  37. thestrategyexpert says: May 30, 2013 4:03 PM

    beachsidejames:

    And teams like that with the same attitude are destined to be losers. It’s not MY player strategy, I’m just playing the role of the agent that represents his business interests. And as much as your comment makes sense for your argument, well the converse works for me in revers for you as representing the outlandish me-first attitude of the team. If I’m the player I really don’t care either way I am just happy to play. But maybe Dion wants the cake and to eat it too. It’s HIS choice to decide what he wants to do, and this scene is playing out in accordance with HIS wishes, not what you want him to be.

    So great sentiment, but in this case it MIGHT not make them better, and it COULD be the reason they get worse. Are you 100% sure that fighting with Dion over these terms makes them more likely to win games now and the future?

    I’m not sold.

  38. beachsidejames says: May 30, 2013 6:46 PM

    The reason your “not sold” is because what you have to say “Nobody’s buying.”

  39. jrcoop says: May 30, 2013 8:18 PM

    If your going to post, at least have a clue about the subject matter. He’s going to sign the contract with the offset language and get paid according to his value in the draft.

    The contract will be shredded and replaced with a new one within three years when he proves to be a Brady killer. He’ll probable end up being one of the top 5 salaries on the team at that time.

  40. brohamma says: May 31, 2013 9:15 AM

    jrcoop says:May 30, 2013 8:18 PM

    If your going to post, at least have a clue about the subject matter. He’s going to sign the contract with the offset language and get paid according to his value in the draft.

    The contract will be shredded and replaced with a new one within three years when he proves to be a Brady killer. He’ll probable end up being one of the top 5 salaries on the team at that time.
    ——————————————————-
    ROFL! You need to read back to my post regarding Dion’s stats. He declined after his 2011 season at Oregon after teams chipped him with TE’s and runningbacks. Now, you take that light frame of his and match that up vs. the players in the NFL and this guy is going to be getting decleated regularly.

    In fact, the first time he plays N.E. I’d be willing to bet Brady calls a running play to Dion’s side in which Mankins pulls and absolutely pancakes the kid. Get used to it and remember that about 3-4 years from now when everyone is moaning about him being a bust #3 overall that you heard it here.

  41. inversedoob says: Jun 1, 2013 2:38 PM

    thestrategyexpert, while I appreciate you playing devil’s advocate here, I’m not sure that your argument is as strong as you think it is. Here are two examples from your latest post.

    “And teams like that with the same attitude are destined to be losers.”

    So I guess the Patriots being full of divas for the last decade proves your point? They have the prototypical “team first” attitude.

    “And as much as your comment makes sense for your argument, well the converse works for me in revers for you as representing the outlandish me-first attitude of the team.”

    Right because the whole idea of team sports is to elevate the individual. Until DJ can win a super bowl as the lone man on a roster he needs his team.

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