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Half of Rams’ 10-man 2012 draft class has gotten in trouble

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As former Titans coach Jeff Fisher tries to bring the same consistency in the standings to St. Louis, he’s well on his way to replicating one of his more overlooked accomplishments in Houston and Tennessee.

Rounding up problem children.

The well-respected coach takes more than his share of chances on players with less-than-respectable character traits.  It’s a Machiavellian mindset that trickled down to former Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz, who has had plenty of dice rolls on bad guys come up craps during his time in Detroit.

Of Fisher’s first draft class in St. Louis, half of the 10 players taken already have found trouble at the NFL level.  Second-round cornerback Janoris Jenkins, a known risk who slid out of round one, was suspended by the team for one game last year.  Second-round running back Isaiah Pead, who slid to third on the depth chart last season, will miss the first game of the 2013 campaign due to a suspension under the league’s substance-abuse policy.

Cornerback Trumaine Johnson, a third-round pick in 2013, was arrested for DUI in March.  Per one league source, Johnson had been removed from multiple draft boards last year after being suspended from his college team due to an alleged frat-house non-food fight, and for being arrested and Tasered in October 2011 after allegedly resisting arrest.

Receiver Chris Givens, a fourth-round pick, was suspended by the team last year, and guard Rokevious Watkins, a fifth-round pick, recently received a one-game suspension under the league’s substance-abuse policy — which as with Pead implies some sort of legal violation relating to one of the substances covered by the policy.

Also, the team’s two seventh-round picks last year, while staying out of trouble in the NFL, had incidents off the field at lower levels of the sport.  Linebacker Aaron Brown was accused of misdemeanor assault while at Hawaii, and running back Daryl Richardson admits that he “got into a little trouble” in high school.

It all creates a strange disconnect for which Fisher rarely is questioned.  He’s a member of the league’s Competition Committee, and few in the media ever tie the propensity to pick college players of less-than-ideal character back to Fisher.  In contrast, whenever the Seahawks have a guy get suspended, people presume that coach Pete Carroll has responsibility, directly or indirectly, for the situation.

G.M. Les Snead, while not believed to have final control over the roster (especially since Fisher was hired before Snead), also deserves a mention on this point.  Snead came from the Falcons, where G.M. Thomas Dimitroff frowns on taking character risks.  However, Snead and Fisher have been smiling at their opportunities to get talented players later than they otherwise would have been available, but for the off-field issues.

It continued this year with linebacker Alec Ogletree.  Of the board in Dallas and presumably elsewhere, the Rams took him at the bottom of round one despite a suspension at Georgia and a pre-draft DUI.

Our goal isn’t to cause trouble for Fisher or Snead, both of whom we respect and like.  But the reality is that they have taken plenty of chances on players with issues unrelated to football ability, and for reasons neither known nor apparent the dynamic rarely has been mentioned, or even noticed, by the media.

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  1. scottishram says: Jun 1, 2013 2:40 PM

    Well we have been terrible for years. Gotta try something.

  2. Patriot42 says: Jun 1, 2013 2:43 PM

    Isn’t this type of behavior expected because most of these guys probably had little guidance at home because they were excused for bad behavior because they were a meal ticket to a new home for many relatives.

  3. funktron2x says: Jun 1, 2013 2:43 PM

    Bias clouds all. “Respected” and “liked” teams and coaches get more of a pass than those disliked and not respected.

    There’s no reason to couch your take here when you don’t do it for other coaches and gms.

  4. pathsovglory says: Jun 1, 2013 2:45 PM

    Fisher and Snead have to right a boat that’s been sibling for years. Have to take some chances.

  5. shogunassasin30 says: Jun 1, 2013 2:45 PM

    Reigningrams – That half of your 2012 draft class are turds. Congratulations. Does that clear things up for you?

  6. thesteelers says: Jun 1, 2013 2:45 PM

    Fisher doesn’t care about character issues because he likes dirty players. Where do you think Schwartz learned? Wasn’t Fisher in the process of making Gregg Williams the Rams’ DC when the bounty scandal happened?

  7. dalcow4 says: Jun 1, 2013 2:45 PM

    “As former Titans coach Jeff Fisher tries to bring the same consistency in the standings to St. Louis…”
    ————

    Rams fans can be confident that Fisher will bring the same consistent 7-9 seasons he had in Tennessee.

  8. raji1824 says: Jun 1, 2013 2:48 PM

    Looks like Rams are winning the division. Lol

  9. jjb0811 says: Jun 1, 2013 2:49 PM

    Fisher is an overrated coach. The media likes him and thus ignore his .500 record. He has a history of employing dirty coaches (G. Williams) and players.

    All through this offseason, I’ve said they’ll be in 3rd in the west. And after seeing how many players are getting into trouble, AZ might go above them.

  10. johnelwayishorsefaced says: Jun 1, 2013 2:51 PM

    Ok everyone pile on now like you all do to the Lions. Time for all you armchair quarterbacks to start saying things “What a classless organization” and “The Rams are a team full of criminals”. Never mind that it’s a very small percentage of their team that’s been arrested.
    I guess some people are just unhappy and they need a way to project their unhappiness onto others.

  11. michaeljacksonisback says: Jun 1, 2013 2:51 PM

    That’s why the Rams stomped the 49ers and cheathawks guts out last year! And destroyed RGknee. Keep trolling boys! Wait till October. The west is scared!!!

  12. melkipershero says: Jun 1, 2013 2:52 PM

    Whats trouble got to do with the standings? Seattle did fine last year. Arizona wont pass us up because he had 5 guys get 1 game suspensions

  13. hutch119 says: Jun 1, 2013 2:52 PM

    It’s because they suck. Come out and win like Pete the Cheat and the Hawks did this past year and people will start paying attention to their indiscretions. However as it stands the Rams haven’t hit double digit wins since 03 and Fisher’s Titans had one season in somewhat recent memory of note and that was back in 08.

    No one really cares what the perennial losers are up to, they obviously aren’t gaining any advantage from whatever they are doing.

    Again win like the Hawks and the scrutiny will follow.

  14. smh35 says: Jun 1, 2013 2:54 PM

    Jenkins and Givens were suspended by the Rams for violating TEAM rules. They would have never been punished by the NFL. So I wouldn’t count them.

  15. dalcow4 says: Jun 1, 2013 2:55 PM

    “It all creates a strange disconnect for which Fisher rarely is questioned. He’s a member of the league’s Competition Committee, and few in the media ever tie the propensity to pick college players of less-than-ideal character back to Fisher.”
    ———————————————-

    The disconnect is the media’s. It’s been clear for years this guy is dirty coach– and an average one– yet the media continue to give him back rubs.

  16. sfm073 says: Jun 1, 2013 3:01 PM

    Lol givens and Jenkins were self imposed suspensions by the league. And two others were for a little bit of pot. The rams could go back to the four pillars program that won them all of 10 games in 3 years.

  17. thegreatgabbert says: Jun 1, 2013 3:02 PM

    Fischer is an optimist. He sees the jailhouse as half empty.

  18. brendank11 says: Jun 1, 2013 3:16 PM

    But, but, but….Pete Carroll is a cheater! Clearly he tells his players to take PEDs!!!! Denver and other teams has just one less PED suspension since 2011 than Seattle, but Seattle is the WORST!!!

    For the record, only ONE starter for Seattle has been suspended since 2011 for it. It’s the backups fighting for roster spots who have been suspended for Seattle. Wish ppl would stop blowing it out of proportion.

  19. rap49er says: Jun 1, 2013 3:34 PM

    Rams “stomped” the Niners twice last year??? Better rethink that word. They won and tied after extra 15 minutes each game and only cause Akers can’t kick straight . Had Akers made both FGs, would you still think they “stomped “?

  20. fm31970 says: Jun 1, 2013 3:36 PM

    “It all creates a strange disconnect for which Fisher rarely is questioned.”

    Why not question him directly, as a member of the media yourself, instead of writing about questioning him?

  21. kingpel says: Jun 1, 2013 3:37 PM

    The NFC West is full of roughnecks. Deal with it, NFL!

  22. southpaw79 says: Jun 1, 2013 3:41 PM

    Rams destroyed the Niners and Seahawks last year? When did that happen? Didn’t they split with the Hawks and go into overtime twice with the Niners. I give the Rams credit, they played REALLY tough in our division, but they really did not destroy anyone. Now they just have to learn how to play the other 10 games.

  23. granadafan says: Jun 1, 2013 3:41 PM

    Jeff Fisher sounds like he’s angling for a job in the SEC when he’s fired from the NFL.

  24. charleslouis99 says: Jun 1, 2013 3:46 PM

    geeze its not like they killed anybody. I’m not one for predictions(I leave that to the gypsies) but the rams are gonna surprise plenty of people this year. plenty of close games last year we now have the difference makers to win those close games.

  25. tooz72 says: Jun 1, 2013 3:51 PM

    young… black… athlete…

  26. jkaflagg says: Jun 1, 2013 3:55 PM

    Remember that these guys make their living smashing into other people…..guys with a bit of a screw loose sometimes make the best football players, if not necessarily the best citizens.

    That said…..bringing in a lot of bad actors can often work in the short run, but usually these guys revert to their old, selfish ways, often at the worst time (see Jets, New York)……by the time they reach the NFL, they usually are who they are, for better or worse.

  27. packerbackernj says: Jun 1, 2013 3:59 PM

    Last time I checked, Jeff Fisher never bailed on his college team once the NCAA hammer was about to come down on them. First rat to leave a sinking ship. Now, 6 Seahawks recently get popped for “adderall.” Btw, the CBA prohibits the NFL from coming out and saying what exactly they were suspended for, and from correcting a player if he wanted to lie about what he was suspended for. Remember when “adderall” was a “contaminated supplement”? It doesn’t take an idiot to connect these situations and the common denominator that is, Pete Carroll. Not saying Pete is handing out roids to his team, but I am saying to know the future, you need only look into the past.

  28. melkipershero says: Jun 1, 2013 4:05 PM

    Looks like granadafan’s favorite team got stomped by a SEC team.

  29. ordinarysportsfan says: Jun 1, 2013 4:06 PM

    Under Spagnuolo, the team adapted the philosophy of the Four Pillars, which put emphasis on character and led to the Rams not taking any players with an issue in the past. That is, except for when Robert Quinn was drafted.

    It’s okay to take risks.

  30. outlawshark says: Jun 1, 2013 4:08 PM

    NFC Worst. When you make the NFC LEast look good, that’s bad.

  31. CKL says: Jun 1, 2013 4:10 PM

    It all creates a strange disconnect for which Fisher rarely is questioned. He’s a member of the league’s Competition Committee, and few in the media ever tie the propensity to pick college players of less-than-ideal character back to Fisher.
    ___________________________________
    Interesting isn’t it? I’ve always had a lack of respect for him and his teams full of turds and it only got worse when he seemed to acknowledge to Tedy Bruschi in a game by grinning at him when Tedy confronted him on the sidelines that he had one of his marginal WRs (Bobby Wade, I will never forget his name) deliberately take out Rodney Harrison’s knee. That was a big hurt to the Pats in that playoff run. I bet Rodney would have made a difference against Indy in the AFCC. Injuries happen and I don’t often blame them for losing but if that was a deliberate hit put on Rodney, I definitely think that’s a different story.

  32. hedleykow says: Jun 1, 2013 4:11 PM

    Good article. Hidden edge stories bring purpose and value to the indulgence of wasting time. Also, interesting take on the obscurities at work.

  33. cgsuddeath says: Jun 1, 2013 4:14 PM

    dalcow4 says: Jun 1, 2013 2:45 PM

    “As former Titans coach Jeff Fisher tries to bring the same consistency in the standings to St. Louis…”
    ————

    Rams fans can be confident that Fisher will bring the same consistent 7-9 seasons he had in Tennessee.

    _____________________________________

    You are way off the mark.As anyone that knows anything about the Oiler/Titan’s,Bud Adams tied Fisher’s hands behind his back.Case and point,Vince Young.So why don’t you take a better analysis of the situation before spouting off things you know nothing about.I live in Houston and saw it first hand.

  34. cgsuddeath says: Jun 1, 2013 4:22 PM

    CKL says: Jun 1, 2013 4:10 PM

    It all creates a strange disconnect for which Fisher rarely is questioned. He’s a member of the league’s Competition Committee, and few in the media ever tie the propensity to pick college players of less-than-ideal character back to Fisher.
    ___________________________________
    Interesting isn’t it? I’ve always had a lack of respect for him and his teams full of turds and it only got worse when he seemed to acknowledge to Tedy Bruschi in a game by grinning at him when Tedy confronted him on the sidelines that he had one of his marginal WRs (Bobby Wade, I will never forget his name) deliberately take out Rodney Harrison’s knee. That was a big hurt to the Pats in that playoff run. I bet Rodney would have made a difference against Indy in the AFCC. Injuries happen and I don’t often blame them for losing but if that was a deliberate hit put on Rodney, I definitely think that’s a different story.
    __________________________
    What a interesting turn of events,wasn’t it Harrison who did the same to Trent Green?Funny thing about Karma.

  35. brendank11 says: Jun 1, 2013 4:22 PM

    packerbackernj says:
    Jun 1, 2013 3:59 PM
    Last time I checked, Jeff Fisher never bailed on his college team once the NCAA hammer was about to come down on them. First rat to leave a sinking ship. Now, 6 Seahawks recently get popped for “adderall.” Btw, the CBA prohibits the NFL from coming out and saying what exactly they were suspended for, and from correcting a player if he wanted to lie about what he was suspended for. Remember when “adderall” was a “contaminated supplement”? It doesn’t take an idiot to connect these situations and the common denominator that is, Pete Carroll. Not saying Pete is handing out roids to his team, but I am saying to know the future, you need only look into the past.
    —————————————
    Again though, it makes zero sense to connect Seahawks management to PED suspensions. These are competing young men who suddenly come into a lot of money, and want to continue doing so. These guys have plenty of time away from the team to make poor decisions on their own. I can’t imagine a coach in the NFL who’d be okay with with a player telling them they’re taking PEDs. Consequences are too severe. Also, Irvin/his agent never said adderall. A league source leaked that info.

    As for Pete hate, it’s gone on too long. Shady things happened at USC, shady things happened at Oregon, shady things happen everywhere in college ball. I hate that its true, but it is. Get over it. At the end of the day, the drastic turnaround orchestrated by Pete and Schneider is remarkable and should be celebrated. They were nearly Raider bad and 3 years later are one of top teams in NFL with a completely turned over roster.

  36. floriosbigtoe says: Jun 1, 2013 4:26 PM

    Fisher is a joke. So glad the Dolphins didn’t hire that POS.

  37. wethog66 says: Jun 1, 2013 4:30 PM

    @michaeljacksonisback

    The Rams destroyed Griffin and the Skins last year? 31-28 win is destroying?

    Griffin was 20/29 for 206 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT. Griffin also ran for 82 yards and 2 TD’s.

    Hardly destroyed.

  38. skinsfan91 says: Jun 1, 2013 4:31 PM

    Hey, the rams can get picks off the redskins, it doesn’t matter cause they’ll all be suspended. Haha.

  39. cullimon says: Jun 1, 2013 4:34 PM

    So when the Lions do it, they become a complete joke and ridiculed in every article. When the Rams do it, they’re “taking a chance” and applauded for doing so. Really guys?

  40. WatchThis says: Jun 1, 2013 4:39 PM

    Maybe they tried Titus Young out to see if he could mentor them.

  41. reigningrams says: Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM

    True – the Lions are clearly a complete joke!

  42. lionsdraftguy says: Jun 1, 2013 4:42 PM

    Surprised. 38 responses and not a single crack about the Lions from some ignorant poster. Again..surprised.

  43. sb34champs says: Jun 1, 2013 4:45 PM

    If this is the only way we can get media attention , so be it. But none of those players are serving or have served 4 game suspensions. Jenkins will be a top 5 CB in the NFL in years to come, Pead may turn out to b a bust but don’t sleep on 7th rounder Richardson, Johnson will b a solid nickleback for this team, Brockers is an absolute stud on the D-Line. Quick is a developing player but has all the physical attributes to b a #1 WR for us. Givens put up top 20 #s for a rookie WR in NFL history. Watkins is the only guy I’m not sure on. So overall that draft class was a success. And if you’re looking for players with great character, look at this years class with Austin, Bailey, Stacy, and McDonald. All are class acts….thanks and keep on hatin’!

  44. SAV says: Jun 1, 2013 4:46 PM

    Im glad we have teams in this league willing to attempt to rehabilitate young quality athletes. I commend Jeff Fisher for taking on these challenges.

    Its hard enough to coach high character guys, let alone questionable guys. Im giving Jeff Fisher the benefit of the doubt that he has a passion for helping challenged athletes.

  45. nflscouting says: Jun 1, 2013 4:53 PM

    THE RAP SHEET ON OGLETREE;
    ALEC OGLETREE UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA
    From The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on September 3rd, 2010
    One day before what was to have been his college-football debut, Georgia freshman safety Alec Ogletree was arrested on a misdemeanor theft-by-taking charge and suspended from at least the Bulldogs’ opening game. Ogletree, a highly touted recruit from Newnan, was charged by UGA Police in connection with the mid-June theft of a motor-scooter helmet, valued at $35, outside a campus building.
    Coach Mark Richt, who earlier this week said Ogletree would be one of the few freshmen to play in Saturday’s season opener against Louisiana-Lafayette, announced the suspension Friday afternoon. About an hour earlier, Ogletree turned himself in to the Clarke County Jail on an arrest warrant issued the day before.
    “Certainly it’s an unfortunate sequence of events,” Richt said in a statement. “I’m disappointed in the situation and will continue to gather information as the case is processed through the proper legal channels. In the meantime, Alec is still responsible for a poor decision and will serve a minimum one-game suspension as a result.” Ogletree was booked into the jail at 2:07 p.m. Friday and released on $1,500 bond at 4:51 p.m.
    UGA Police Chief Jimmy Williamson said the warrant issued for Ogletree on Thursday stemmed from a June 15 incident outside the Rankin Smith Student-Athlete Academic Center. A helmet was taken from a parked scooter, where it had been left “unsecured,” between 4 p.m. and 10:45 p.m., according to the police incident report. The helmet belonged to Petr Novotny, a member of UGA’s track and field team, according to the report.
    Williamson said police received information this week that Ogletree had the distinctive helmet, which the incident report describes as “red in color with gray skulls on each side linked by a chain around the back.” The helmet was in Ogletree’s possession when he was interviewed by an investigator Thursday morning, Williamson said. The warrant was issued later in the day.
    Ogletree is the ninth Georgia football player to be arrested this year. Three were dismissed from the team; one decided to transfer; and three –- tailback Washaun Ealey, wide receiver Tavarres King and Ogletree –- are suspended from at least Saturday’s game. Ealey was charged with hit-and-run of a parked vehicle and driving with a suspended license, while King was charged with underage possession of alcohol.

    MORE OGLETREE
    From The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on March 28th, 2012
    The Georgia Bulldogs may have lost two more front-line defensive players to suspensions.
    The website Dawgpost.com, citing “multiple sources inside the Bulldogs’ football program,” is reporting that All-American safety Bacarri Rambo and starting inside linebacker Alec Ogletree have been suspended “two to four games” for an unspecified violation of team rules.
    Georgia Athletic Director Greg McGarity refused to confirm or deny the report. “No comment at this time,” he said Thursday morning. If true, that will make four defensive starters who are suspended for early-season games for the Bulldogs. Starting cornerback Sanders Commings already has been suspended for first two games after his conviction for simple battery and disorderly conduct. The other starting corner, senior Branden Smith, is facing a suspension of at least one game for his recent arrest for marijuana possession. Three other players — including two more defensive backs — were dismissed from the team in January for stealing from a teammate.
    It would be the second suspension of Rambo’s career. The 6-foot, 218-pound safety sat out the season opener against Boise State this past year for an unspecified violation of team rules. Rambo was voted an All-American after starting 13 games and leading the SEC with 8 interceptions.
    Ogletree, a 6-3, 236-pound junior, also has been suspended before. He missed the season opener of his freshman season following his arrest for misdemeanor theft. Ogletree missed six games this past season after breaking a foot in the first quarter of the first game. He finished with 52 tackles, three forced fumbles and six quarterback pressures and is considered one of the best overall athletes on the team.

    MORE OGLETREE
    From USA Today on February 17th, 2013
    Former Georgia linebacker Alec Ogletree, a potential first-round pick in the upcoming NFL draft, is no stranger to off-the-field issues. His latest incident, a DUI arrest in early February, comes with the NFL Combine days away.
    Via ProFootballtalk:
    “Last weekend, my client Alec Ogletree was pulled over for speeding and a lane violation in Arizona,” agent Pat Dye, Jr. told the website. “After the officers smelled alcohol, they conducted tests and also cited him for DUI. Although Alec regrets this incident terribly, he is thankful that there was no accident and that no one was hurt. Because this matter is still pending, we cannot comment further publicly at this time.”
    Ogletree had also missed Georgia’s first four games this season for reportedly failing drug tests, and he was suspended the first game of his freshman season as well after being arrested for stealing a track athlete’s motorcycle helmet.

  46. jimmylions says: Jun 1, 2013 5:10 PM

    The fact is … the league is filled with guys of questionable character. Michael Irvin was not exactly a model citizen, but the fact that he stabbed a teammate in the neck is overlooked (because he helped win games).

    I’m a total cynic about this stuff. Pro athletes are young adults who have had special treatment their entire lives. Even the “good guys” are spoiled egotistical freaks who are typically no better than any of the brat pack Hollywood stars.

    As for Schwartz … some of the Lions getting busted for pot never bothered me. The biggest problem child, Titus Young, turns out to be a case of adult onset mental illness. There’s a serious medical issue with Young’s brain impacting his ability to think normally. Everyone, including Young, gets a pass on that one.

  47. beavertonsteve says: Jun 1, 2013 5:15 PM

    Yeah, Fisher should obviously go back to Spagnolo’s 4 pillars approach because those results were out-freaking-standing.

    Give me a break. When you say that half of the class has gotten in trouble you are including two guys who stayed out past curfew. We still don’t know what’s Pead or Watkins situations are other than than it wasn’t a second failed drug test (since that would have been 4 games).

    In the end I’d rather draft 6 pro bowl caliber players and lose three of them due to being “troublemakers” as Florio would label them, than 6 milk toast waiver wire players who keep my team at 3-13 every year.

  48. larrydavid7000 says: Jun 1, 2013 5:37 PM

    what is up with these CLOWNS in the NFC Western Division. At the rate all of these CLOWN teams are going I predict 2 teams finishing 8-8 and one winning the division by default. Good luck some CLOWN team has to win it.

  49. kicksave1980 says: Jun 1, 2013 6:00 PM

    It definitely doesn’t look good, and I’m not saying that I like it, but as a long-suffering Rams fan, I really don’t care what these guys do (short of rape and murder) off the field if they win. Spagnuolo had the “4 pillars” approach and you see where that got us.

  50. dolphinswin says: Jun 1, 2013 6:57 PM

    floriosbigtoe beat me to the punch! I could NEVER understand the love fest for Fisher by the media. He did take the Titans to the Super Bowl one year and has had a few double digit win seasons. But come on…….he’s also had 6 losing seasons, some of them REALLY AWFUL. He’s an above average coach but that’s it. 17 years and only 6 winning seasons? Maybe I’ll take that back. The one Super Bowl “makes” him average. I am so glad he didn’t want to go to the Dolphins because he would be filling them with punks just like he is the Rams. The Dolphins have sucked in recent years, but not getting Fisher was the best thing that’s happened to them recently. Now they have a solid coach that seems to be moving the team in the right direction.

  51. rajbais says: Jun 1, 2013 7:17 PM

    That’s what happens when Jeff Fisher tries to play the role of surrogate dad when he inherits so-called “problem children”.

    Worst of all Les Snead has to inherit them too and he’s married to model citizen ex-TV Network anchor Kara Henderson.

  52. sjs5y7 says: Jun 1, 2013 7:35 PM

    I feel like a lot of people hate Fisher for the fact that the media loves him… I wondering where that love is. I listen to ESPN Radio every day, and not once have I heard them talk about Fisher, positively or negatively.

    Every team has its problems, and while I don’t condone the actions of these young players… they are young. They have time and the ability to turn it around. Everyone gets in a little bit of trouble when they are young.

    And that’s what this all is: a little bit of trouble. Not a ton (minus the DUI’s, which are admittedly inexcusable). But to lap in the guys who missed curfew as “troublemakers”? Are we seriously freaking out about that?

    To act like Pead, Jenkins, Ogletree, Johnson, Watkins, Richardson, and Brown are the black mark of the NFL and society is overreacting. Each team has their problem children. Relax, these guys can shape it up.

  53. saints4life57 says: Jun 1, 2013 7:55 PM

    Ummm these problems aren’t just in St. Louis! There are players being arrested on every team all the time! No reason to single out one team!

  54. jmurf says: Jun 1, 2013 8:38 PM

    Yea, we should have kept the sh!^^) coaches parading through StL that we have had in recent years! They were all about making sure the players were model citizens, you saw what that did for us. I don’t want a bunch of criminals but the things that these players have been in trouble for is no different than a lot of the players from the other teams. Thats no excuse but lets point fingers at all of the teams who have questionable players.

  55. turfrage says: Jun 1, 2013 8:54 PM

    This article is slander at best. You are trying to imply “bad” behavior off of a few missed curfews and a team member volunteering a substance issue?? That’s problematic?? EVERY team has worse violations. Apparently Florio just likes to gossip. Disgusted. I will skip any article by this author from now on.

  56. coachstram says: Jun 1, 2013 8:54 PM

    So in other words, your ” not wanting to cause trouble for Fisher or Snead”, really means its OK to just throw it out there…..see who runs with it….

    Which is fair, you’re just making a point that cant be deleted, since you call the shots.

    On the other hand, those that visit your site and make comments supporting those that opt NOT to comment on the gay marriage fiasco, or are against it, seemed to get deleted.

    Kinda ironic for a “comment” page isnt it?

  57. craniator says: Jun 1, 2013 9:03 PM

    Boy , I guess it’s a good thing this isn’t the Dolphins we’re talking about , otherwise everyone would be going crazy with this.

  58. michaeljacksonisback says: Jun 1, 2013 9:39 PM

    After that Redskins game RGknee was crying like a baby! And the 49ers took a physical ass beating those two games. Most of their players were puking and pissing blood after that 2nd game. And the first game? Alex Smith got Knocked out.

  59. evilmajortom says: Jun 1, 2013 10:32 PM

    It’s funny I have seen this site bash somebody in an article a lot lately only to say at the end that it is nothing personal. It’s kind of like saying “with all due respect” before an insult and expecting it to make everything ok.
    If you wanna be a rumor mongering blog, be a rumor mongering blog. I used to admire this site for the neutral reporting provided, but “with all due respect,” PFT has sold out and has gone totally mainstream chasing the mothership using the same techniques they do.
    I’m sick of this site trying to have their cake and eat it too.

  60. bkh405 says: Jun 1, 2013 11:18 PM

    Being overlooked in all of this is the fact that this team has some very strong leadership. Long and Laurinaitis are far from sketchy individuals and are also the heart and soul of that D. If anyone thinks they would let a few rambunctious rookiea derail what they’ve been working so hard to put together… dearly mistaken.

    The same can be said on offense. Bradford and Jackson were both around last year, they brought in Wells who is a high character guy on the O-line. It isn’t quite as damning as you’d like to make it sound. But I do love seeing my team pop up on the site!

  61. j4man1 says: Jun 2, 2013 4:19 AM

    The reason they aren’t mentioned or noticed is because they always stay at the bottom. If they actually won something they would be noticed. They are just like the Lions and Chiefs, they will never be good regardless of who coaches them.

  62. xinellum says: Jun 2, 2013 8:35 AM

    Recycled coaches are recycled for a reason.

  63. 13arod says: Jun 2, 2013 12:00 PM

    just get tebow to strighten things out with the team

  64. dirtydrew says: Jun 2, 2013 5:36 PM

    Sounds like the Seahawks.

  65. dallascowboysdishingthereal says: Jun 2, 2013 7:10 PM

    And the other half just hasn’t been caught yet…

  66. iced107 says: Jun 3, 2013 7:17 PM

    Joke of an article. And really sad how he makes a suttle comparison to the Lions.

    -Jenkins and Givens were BENCHED, not suspended, for a game for violating CURFEW the night before. As punishment they missed the game and ran the stairs at candle stick park. Funny how Jenkins responded with 3 picks, 3 TDs, 1 fumble recovery from weeks 11 to 17 (he was benched in week 10.)

    -Trumain Johnson’s DUI was reduced to wreckless driving. You as a lawyer should know that carries A LOT less weight than a DUI conviction, not just in the real world but also the NFL.

    -Fisher wasn’t pleased about Rok’s suspension, essentially playing a father figure role in the sense that ‘he messed up, he was punished’…. But on Pead’s suspension, he appeared a little caught off guard. The fact that both of these suspensions carry are for 1 game instead of the standard 4 game suspension for substance abuse raises a lot of questions about what these kids actually did.

    ^ These cases are VASTLY different from the Lions cases, who have been notorious for getting arrested (and have any of them had their cases reduced or charges dropped? Hmm? that says something doesn’t it). And love how he makes Jenkins out to be a head case, which is so far from the truth..outside the curfew, there weren’t any other issues.

    Love how Florio had to be reduced to digging up stuff from what a kid did in HIGH SCHOOL.

    Tell me Mike – if someone managed to dig up some stuff from your high school days, should that define you who you are now as a person?

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