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John Schneider on Seahawks PED suspensions: It’s not what people think

Bruce Irvin, Pete Carroll, John Schneider AP

The suspension of defensive end Bruce Irvin for violating the league’s performance-enhancing drug policy was the sixth one handed down to a member of the Seahawks since John Schneider became General Manager of the team in 2010.

One of those suspensions was overturned on appeal, but that hasn’t stopped people from pointing out that the Seahawks have had more players penalized by the league than anyone else in that time frame. Nor has it stopped people from wondering if perhaps there wasn’t something more the Seahawks could be doing to keep their players from landing in hot water. Schneider responded to those concerns by denying that it is somehow ingrained in the culture of the team.

“It’s just not what people think. I’m not trying to diminish any issues or anything, but every guy — they’re young, and they need life skills coaching,” Schneider said, via Lindsay Jones of USA Today. “They’re 21- to 25-year-old guys, they think they have all the answers, but they don’t.”

The issue there comes back to the amount of Seahawks who have been disciplined in relation to the other teams around the league. Every team has young players joining their team every year, but the Seahawks are the ones consistently having those players run afoul of the league’s policy on performance-enhancers.

The Seahawks certainly aren’t responsible for what adults put into their bodies, but they do have a role to play in providing those answers that Schneider, who previously said the Seahawks go “above and beyond” the league in terms of educating their players, believes the younger players are missing at that point in their careers. Coach Pete Carroll told Jones that role has expanded to a round the clock one in light of the suspensions and said that everyone in the organization is involved in the effort to play that role more successfully than it has been played in the past.

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54 Responses to “John Schneider on Seahawks PED suspensions: It’s not what people think”
  1. thegreatgabbert says: Jun 7, 2013 11:03 AM

    Seahawks just want to be as big as a normal person. Is that wrong?

  2. niners816 says: Jun 7, 2013 11:10 AM

    He’s about as delusional as the fans are. I’m looking forward to the Seahawks and Niners playing this year. Their fans are just annoying and obnoxious. Every team has those fans, unfortunately it seems like every Seahawk fan is like that. We get it Seahawks fans, you beat us in a regular season game, but just remember…the Niners took care of the Falcons, the team that handed you an exit to your season. So before the Seahawk fans come in here stinking up the place, win something of relevance before making your team look worse.

  3. bikeman53 says: Jun 7, 2013 11:11 AM

    “They’re 21- to 25-year-old guys, they think they have all the answers, but they don’t.”

    And no other team has 21-25 year old guys?

  4. waltermatthau says: Jun 7, 2013 11:16 AM

    Wouldn’t lay any blame at the feet of John Schneider, but it’s pretty hard to argue against the notion that rule-breaking and Pete Carroll seem to go hand in hand.

  5. mathomp3 says: Jun 7, 2013 11:20 AM

    We are talking about 5 suspensions….5. Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill. True that they have the most in the league but come on, they have what, 2 more than the next team? It isn’t exactly a 42-13 blow out.

  6. GenoAtkinswillnotbestopped says: Jun 7, 2013 11:22 AM

    What does Bo Duke know about PED’s anyway?

  7. billybuffalo says: Jun 7, 2013 11:26 AM

    Of course it’s not what people think. These boys aren’t juicing, they just crawled out of the woodwork.

    Johnny boy, you’re an idiot. Pete Carroll tries to be every players friend, not their coach. You want to get rid of the idiotic behavior side ol’ petey took over, then get rid of that dirt bag.

    However, you will always be the redheaded stepchild. You will never make it to the dance, and that makes me :)

    Seachickens ahoy! And the 12th flake!

  8. jimthebuilder27 says: Jun 7, 2013 11:26 AM

    Am organization led by a classless, cheating coach in one Pete Carroll.

  9. jtmartinez34 says: Jun 7, 2013 11:33 AM

    Cheaters! Zero integrity. Like their head coach. Running down the sidelines chewing gum like teenager and fist pumping. Stooge and stoogie cheating team.

  10. dennisatunity says: Jun 7, 2013 11:34 AM

    I’ve been a Seahawks fan since the franchise started. This team is the best one they have ever had (including the year they went to teh Super Bowl). And I didn’t wait all these years for my team to be really good to have them suddenly turn into the Oakland Raiders. Come on, Schneider, Carroll, and players get it together.

    Now having said that, does anybody find it interesting that nobody was talking about all this when the Giants and the Broncos were tied with the Seahawks for the most players suspended? Why did they wait until Irvin’s violation to suddenly get all righteous? The Seahawks now lead the league and that’s terrible, but the Giants and the Broncos have only one fewer. Where is all the condemnation for them from sportswriters?

  11. rpiotr01 says: Jun 7, 2013 11:37 AM

    You hire a powerful HC with a historically “push the envelope, anything goes if you don’t get caught” mentality and this is what you get. Take the good with the bad.

  12. jwilliamsspf says: Jun 7, 2013 11:38 AM

    Mr. Schneider,
    You glorify getting guys that “can win street fights” and then you come up with some explanation about them “needing life skills”?

    You filled your team with guys you wanted, you listened to Sneaky Pete which may have been really dumb. Because he doesn’t understand that you have to own the team you put on the field AFTER year 4 of each player’s career.

    Seattle – Built to win in 2013…built for implosion 2014.

  13. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 7, 2013 11:38 AM

    Of course Pete Carroll would never lead a team that had a culture of cheating.

  14. dobber707 says: Jun 7, 2013 11:47 AM

    CHEATERS, TYPICAL PETE CARROLL PLAN NO DISCIPLINE.

  15. joetoronto says: Jun 7, 2013 11:59 AM

    “It’s just not what people think. I’m not trying to diminish any issues or anything, but every guy — they’re young, and they need life skills coaching,” Schneider said, via Lindsay Jones of USA Today. “They’re 21- to 25-year-old guys, they think they have all the answers, but they don’t.”

    This is where the HC comes in, John. You know it, he knows it and the rest of the world knows it.

    The team always ends up being a reflection of the HC, don’t act surprised.

  16. mcgil38 says: Jun 7, 2013 12:00 PM

    SEAdderall Cheathawks…

  17. harrisonhits2 says: Jun 7, 2013 12:04 PM

    they’re young, and they need life skills coaching,
    ___________________________________

    Yeah right. At their age if they don’t have the skill to read the list of banned drugs the league makes available to them there’s a big problem anyway.

    Because that’s the only skill involved other than the self control to say “no, I’m not going to take anything on the list of banned substances”.

    Can the player read ? If yes then he knowingly cheated. If no….the player needs a lot more than “life skills coaching”.

  18. pinion8ted says: Jun 7, 2013 12:08 PM

    mathomp3 says: Jun 7, 2013 11:20 AM

    We are talking about 5 suspensions….5. Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill. True that they have the most in the league but come on, they have what, 2 more than the next team? It isn’t exactly a 42-13 blow out.
    ———————————————————
    Using your same logic, Seattle has 66% more violators than any other team.

    Does that sound better, now?

  19. steverolley says: Jun 7, 2013 12:08 PM

    Giants and Broncos have had 4 PED suspensions in the same time frame

    But its that 1 more that make the Seahawks the worst. 4 Suspensions is OK, 5 your cheating!

  20. pencilmonkeymagic says: Jun 7, 2013 12:14 PM

    Presumably the prognosticators above were also the ones predicting that Pete Carroll would be out of the league after his second season in Seattle.

    Then, when that didn’t happen, they were predicting that Marshawn Lynch would do nothing once he’d signed his big contract.

    Then, when that didn’t happen, they were predicting a 3rd round, 5’10 QB would never make it in the NFL.

    Which now leaves us with …more predictions. It’s a good job predictions are so valuable – otherwise we’d be truly lost.

  21. gdive says: Jun 7, 2013 12:19 PM

    U mean Lance Armstrong didn’t open a smoothie shop next door to the Seahawks practice facility?

  22. granadafan says: Jun 7, 2013 12:24 PM

    Pete Carroll: “Ok guys, stop taking those performance enhancing drugs I gave to you . We play the game fair . Yes, my nickname is Cheaty Petey, but I want to do the right thing “.

    Seapigeons: Sure thing, coach! .

  23. dedicatedhawkfan says: Jun 7, 2013 12:25 PM

    “…Seahawks are the ones consistently having those players run afoul of the league’s policy on performance-enhancers.”

    Merriam Webster Dictionary definition
    Consistently- adverb: on every known occasion.

    While I am not happy with the number of PED suspensions, I would hardly call 5 players since 2010 being suspended as consistent.

    What is more CONSISTENTLY done is hating on/being jealous of the great roster Pete and John have created.

  24. packerhater says: Jun 7, 2013 12:25 PM

    “John Schneider became General Manager of the team in 2010″. Wait …….Bo Duke is the GM?

  25. granadafan says: Jun 7, 2013 12:27 PM

    Pete Carroll: “Ok guys, stop taking those performance enhancing drugs I gave to you (wink wink). We play the game fair (wink wink). Yes, my nickname is Cheaty Petey, but I want to do the right thing “(wink wink).

    Seapigeons: Sure thing, coach! (wink wink).

  26. kylexitron says: Jun 7, 2013 12:28 PM

    the Broncos and Giants have only 1 fewer suspension over the time frame that’s being discussed than the Seahawks, but PFT and other media outlets seem to want to overlook it and blow the issue completely out of proportion.

    The only reason the Seahawks get the brunt of the scolding is because someone bought Reggie Bush a used car and everything thinks Pete Carroll is a “dirty cheater” for not following him around 24 hours a day, and opted to accept a 7m a year contract rather than going down with the ship for someone else’s stupidity.

  27. subsoiler says: Jun 7, 2013 12:34 PM

    Hawks are 1 of the youngest teams in the league if not the youngest and Schneider and Carroll have turned over the roster almost 100% since coming on board so not surprising they lead the league in suspensions, as it’s up to the players to hold each other accountable and they’ve been lacking veteran leadership. Therefore, once that is established the cheating will diminish, and Russell Wilson will provide that leadership and accountability starting this season.

  28. thereisfootballwestofjersey says: Jun 7, 2013 12:37 PM

    It really just “seemed” like John Moffitt was peeing near a car outside the mall in general view of the public (kids go to malls) he was previously banned from.

    LOL!

    John Schneider and Pete Carroll! Moral compases those two!

    LOL!

  29. brendank11 says: Jun 7, 2013 12:43 PM

    jwilliamsspf says:
    Jun 7, 2013 11:38 AM
    Mr. Schneider,
    You glorify getting guys that “can win street fights” and then you come up with some explanation about them “needing life skills”?

    You filled your team with guys you wanted, you listened to Sneaky Pete which may have been really dumb. Because he doesn’t understand that you have to own the team you put on the field AFTER year 4 of each player’s career.

    Seattle – Built to win in 2013…built for implosion 2014.

    ——————————-

    Wow this comment is LAUGHABLE. These players AREN’T getting arrested, these players aren’t committing major crimes, these players (1 more than the Broncos and Giants since ’10) haven been caught taking a substance to get BETTER. Not smart, but the implosion thing is hilarious. The Seahawks actually possess one of the most tight knit locker rooms in the NFL. Many NFL players don’t like Sherman, but his team loves him and he loves his team. Tell me how many teams had multiple players vacationing together over the offseason? Happened with a few of the position groups. I have zero worries about the long-term outlook of this team because there are no locker room problems and everyone is hungry for the ring.

  30. duluthfan says: Jun 7, 2013 12:43 PM

    mathomp3 says:
    Jun 7, 2013 11:20 AM
    We are talking about 5 suspensions….5. Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill. True that they have the most in the league but come on, they have what, 2 more than the next team? It isn’t exactly a 42-13 blow out.

    __________________________________
    Coming from neither a 49ers or Seahawks fan, let me just say, if the shoe were on the other foot…meaning if it were the 49ers that had 5 players suspended int he same amount of time, you would be first in line to bash them for it. It is what fans do. Get over it and yourself.

  31. brendank11 says: Jun 7, 2013 12:44 PM

    At what point will people stop thinking that PED suspensions are worse than DUI/battery/assault/domestic violence?

  32. Dusty Grey says: Jun 7, 2013 12:46 PM

    I think you’re missing his point about the youth-ped correlation. Young players seem to be the ones getting in trouble (league wide). Yes every team has young players, but the Seahawks are a team completely comprised of young players, so the opportunity/possibility for violations is greater for the Seahawks than it is for other teams.

    Also it seems like people perceive that only the players who are caught are doing PEDs. In reality it means Seahawks player are actually worse at cheating than other players, by virtue of the fact that they are getting caught more frequently.

    Only players who are caught are labeled cheaters, but there are plenty of players who are cheating on every club that we just don’t know about. There is a reason the league wants to test for HGH…

  33. osiris33 says: Jun 7, 2013 12:46 PM

    A) The Seahawks have more 21-25 year old guys than other teams, that is true. B) One of the suspension was due to a paperwork technicality, so you’re down to four, the same number as the Giants.

    As to the 49ers fan, We destroyed you in that game, we didn’t just “beat” you. And the only reason you won in Atlanta was a 12:00 noon start, when the Seahawks had to play ay 10AM. Both teams were sleep walking early, but the Niners woke up earlier in the game because they started 2 hours later. Had the Seahawks/Falcons game been played at 1PM Pacific instead of 10AM, the whole game would have looked like the 2nd half, i.e. 28-10 Seahawks.

    PS – We Seahawks fans are looking forward to playing the 49ers this year too — because we know how much better our team is than yours.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid…

  34. hehateme2 says: Jun 7, 2013 12:53 PM

    I find all the chirping from these no ring franchises priceless! Chirp on :-)

  35. sweetnlow44 says: Jun 7, 2013 12:56 PM

    Haters! I love how scared you 9er fans are.

  36. dstep24 says: Jun 7, 2013 1:06 PM

    Once again, let’s go down the list of SEA suspensions for Adderall:

    Moffitt – had a prescription for Adderal and just didn’t log it with the league.

    Barbre – tested positive before joining the Seahawks, but served suspension as a Seahawk.

    Taua – Practice Squad player who was on IR, and has never been on the active roster

    Browner – Admitted wrong, and took responsibility

    Irvin – Admitted wrong and took responsibility

    So of the 5 suspensions, only 2 of them were cases of actual abuse of the drug, by on-roster Seahawks.

    I know everyone is looking for a way to mask their jealousy of what the Seahawks have put together under Schneider and Carroll, but once you look at the hard facts, it’s easy to see what the real story is.

    Ultimately, you’ve got a lot of people who want a reason to be able to say they were actually right about Carroll when he came back to the NFL. Nobody wants to admit he has beat the critics and is one of the top 3 coaches in the league now.

    Get over it folks. Focus on your own team. And pray that they find a GM/coach combo as genius as this one.

  37. hooterdawg says: Jun 7, 2013 1:21 PM

    Over in MLB, Ryan Braun was busted for PEDs but got off on a technicality. Now MLB is revisiting Braun and attempting to re-bust him for 100 games using supporting testimony from his supplier. We will see how that goes. But it raises an interesting point. Professional sports should tie punishment to the cooperation of the player to identify the source of his PEDs. If the player cooperates by identifying his source, then he has a lighter punishment. But if he refuses to cooperate and out his source, then there should be a more severe punishment schedule. I also wonder how teams are able to shield their players from prosecution under the law. John Schneider would sound more credible if he proposed and supported his players being prosecuted for breaking the law regarding unlawful use of PEDs. There IS something more that each team’s FO should do to discourage use of PEDs.

  38. clssylssy says: Jun 7, 2013 1:22 PM

    The whole PED policy needs to be re-evaluated with some recognized medical experts in the field consulted. This is not a black and white issue and the brain trust running the NFL are not qualified to
    make medical decisions. That being said, what fans are reacting to with regard to the Seahawks is their reputation as cheaters and the fact that their head coach is notorious for his “win by any means possible…just don’t get caught” attitude and his legacy of operating on the line or slightly over it going back to his days in the NCAA. The downside to PEDs is that they have side effects and any benefit from their useage is short lived with a major fall taken longterm; true professional athletes should be more concerned for the well being of the instrument of their success.

  39. theclaim says: Jun 7, 2013 1:31 PM

    dstep24 says:
    Jun 7, 2013 1:06 PM
    Once again, let’s go down the list of SEA suspensions for Adderall:

    Moffitt – had a prescription for Adderal and just didn’t log it with the league.

    Barbre – tested positive before joining the Seahawks, but served suspension as a Seahawk.

    Taua – Practice Squad player who was on IR, and has never been on the active roster

    Browner – Admitted wrong, and took responsibility

    Irvin – Admitted wrong and took responsibility

    So of the 5 suspensions, only 2 of them were cases of actual abuse of the drug, by on-roster Seahawks.

    I know everyone is looking for a way to mask their jealousy of what the Seahawks have put together under Schneider and Carroll, but once you look at the hard facts, it’s easy to see what the real story is.

    Ultimately, you’ve got a lot of people who want a reason to be able to say they were actually right about Carroll when he came back to the NFL. Nobody wants to admit he has beat the critics and is one of the top 3 coaches in the league now

    Umm Sherman?? Wasn’t HE on the roster? Oh yeah even though he TESTED positive the NFL allowed him to play through his appeal. That 6 not 5 and trying to justify or diminish drug use by your team and then telling others to go away with their MEAN SPIRITED comments? No one is Afraid of Beau Duke or Cheat Carroll or the NW Chapter of Narcotics Anonymous. Your team DOES use speed and HAS been caught doing so MORE than any other team THOSE ARE the hard facts. Good luck with the West!

  40. MasMacho says: Jun 7, 2013 2:15 PM

    Cue the Adderall/”PC is a cheater”/Richard Sherman is a bad guy trolls. Preemptive warning that Hawks fans don’t care.

  41. MasMacho says: Jun 7, 2013 2:17 PM

    “I find all the chirping from these no ring franchises priceless! Chirp on :-)”

    I guarantee that not a single person commenting here (especially ^ that guy) have won “a ring.”

  42. macdaddyspeed says: Jun 7, 2013 2:18 PM

    Haters, usurpers and unbelievers all stand in awe at the brilliance that is the Seahawks Empire. You cast stones against the unbreakable husk of the empire with the knowledge you will fail. Your team’s doom is upon you and it is understandable that you must do what you can as the Seahawks influence spreads across the land. Your only hope is that your team does not encounter the empire directly; for to tangle with the Legion of Boom or Beastmode would cast fear to the very core of your soul. Behold the SEAHAWKS EMPIRE!

  43. floratiotime says: Jun 7, 2013 3:39 PM

    Adderal is a steroid masking agent. That’s why they take it. To confound the PED test. Adderal=steroids.

  44. dans761 says: Jun 7, 2013 3:49 PM

    If this was the Cleveland Browns or Jacksonville Jaguars no one would care. People care because Pete Carroll coaches the team and the team he built is bad ass! 2 of those players who violated the PED policy were on the team/practice squad before PC was coach. Moffit had a prescription from a doctor, but didnt go through the NFL protocol to not get suspended. Id say Browner, Guy and Irvin were legit suspensions, not other bubble players and/or players who were on team before PCJS came.

    Its funny how SOME people perceive the Seahawks. They were hated by some when Pete Carroll was hired. Apparently Pete Carroll is a cheater because Reggie Bush got a car, PC didnt stalk Bush and other players to see that they’re doing right, so Carroll is a cheat?! Pete Carroll also DOMINATED at USC, when you’re a good coach with a outgoing personality, people hate that.

    This is nothing more then an anomaly that haters want to find any reason to hate.

    You know how I know some hate Pete Carroll?

    1. Based on the comments on when the Seahawks hired him. He left USC because of sanctions? NO. He left for Seattle because the Seahawks were the only team that would give him the power he wanted. Personnel decisions and other powers no NFL team would give him. He’s been courted for years by many NFL teams to be their coach but he turned them down because he was never offered the package the Seahawks did.

    2. Those haters said Carroll won’t succeed in the NFL and would be fired in year 2. WRONG. Pete Carroll aided by football genius John Schneider built the biggest and baddest team in the NFL, year 3 in a complete rebuild this team went 11-5. That angered the haters because it made them look like idiots for their “Pete Carroll will fail” comments. This 11-5 team is just the tip of the iceberg. They havent even peaked yet!

    Pete Carroll is doing his job. The personnel decisions he’s made, he’s hit a HR on almost every one. Much credit goes to John Schneider too! The young pro bowls he’s molded, the team he’s put on the field.. Haters HATE seeing this, so the PED thing is their only ammunition to use against PC. As if PC is a babysitter too… When players make bad choices off the field thats their own fault! When they made bad decisions on the football field thats Pete Carrolls fault.

    PC is doing everything haters hate to see! SUCCEEDING! So this overblown PED thing is their only ammo.

    With PC’s outgoing personality I can see why some dislike him, but the utter hate, I don’t. When he was at USC, I had no opinion on him. Didnt like or hate him. Of course I like him now, being a Seahawks fan and seeing first hand the kind of person (not just coach) he is! He does so much for the community.

    Go ahead and hate on Pete Carroll. You are really going to hate him for a while now because the Seahawks are a bad ass team built for the long run! Outsiders hate that, I love it! Enjoy knit picking everything the Seahawks do off the field. Maybe pay attention on how theyve built their franchise you’d see why PC is such a success

  45. ancienthawkfan says: Jun 7, 2013 7:28 PM

    Yo “the claim”, not sure how to explain the concept of tainted samples to you. You seem confused – similar to many others I have read from. When your sample is tainted or the chain of custody is broken then the sample can no longer be attributed to you. I know you and others would LOVE to continue claiming that Sherman’s sample tested positive, but the facts (you did seemed to indicate you believed in facts..) are the sample was tainted – this is not a technicality. Rather it shows true unprofessionalism on the part of the sample taker. Tell me you wouldn’t have complained had it been a test for your job!

    For those claiming Adderol=Steroids, trying reading a little before you make silly claims like this that have no foundation in reality.

    PC/JS haters… Too bad you have nothing better to do. Those that can do. Those that hate, hate those that can do, apparently.

  46. seaeagle707 says: Jun 7, 2013 9:25 PM

    “Nothing succeeds like success.”

    John and Pete have had plenty of that putting this team together. How many passed over Russell Wilson, and now laud his rookie season? Buffalo couldn’t figure out what to do with Marshawn, and a major football site recently rated him as the fastest, most aggressive running back in the NFL. Sherman is arguably one of the top CB’s in the league. The hits just keep on rolling with Hawks players getting recognition for their outstanding play.

    But you can’t make everybody happy, and it is my fervent desire that this season the Hawks will leave a trail of unhappy fans of other teams all across this great land of ours.

    GO HAWKS!!!

  47. japadacktle49 says: Jun 7, 2013 10:29 PM

    Oh my God (SEAHAWKS EMPIRE) has to be the funniest thing I have heard this year keep crowning yourselves before camp even starts Seabags! Hilarioius!!

  48. fourthandafoot says: Jun 7, 2013 10:53 PM

    The players that got into trouble are just being themselves. When a bunch of lowlifes are “collected” together and a rash of embarrassing incidents occur the decision makers have to be held accountable. This reminds me of Jimmy Johnson’s Cowboys. A ton of trouble but as long as they won it was okay. If Seattle was a 3 win club this would be a different story.

  49. ringwormsherm says: Jun 8, 2013 12:19 AM

    Keep talking haters. HAWKS are the best team coming into the season and will smash anyone that’s in their way!

  50. seahonky says: Jun 8, 2013 12:59 AM

    Ok. So theres at least 2 players (Barbre and Taua) that took PED’s that couldnt get past the practice squad? Gee, those PEDs didn’t help much did they?

  51. seahonky says: Jun 8, 2013 1:07 AM

    Floratiotime: Adderall is a steroid masking agent and therefore Adderall=steroid? WTF?

  52. jahmic says: Jun 8, 2013 10:23 AM

    And the haters keep on hating

  53. mmgoods says: Jun 9, 2013 5:54 PM

    haha man everyone and their mom loves hating on the Seahawks. It’s about as trendy as hating Lebron was before he scooped up his ring. I just can’t figure out why people put so much effort into it

  54. fathernature1 says: Jun 10, 2013 11:20 AM

    If i remember correctly, Adderal is a prescribed medication… Like Sherman, some of these guys have a prescribed need for this ADD drug. People need to hate someone, go ahead – hate but sooner or later you are gonna be a lover when you figure out hating just takes to much negative energy. Seahawks are so EZ to love!

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