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Bills dust off NFL’s dirty little secret

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In the post-bounty NFL, coaches and players aren’t supposed to talk about the incentive that exists even in the absence of envelopes full of cash.

Strategically, it’s useful to attempt to inflict injury on opposing players.

Bills defensive lineman Mario Williams violated that fairly new etiquette point in explaining the philosophy of defensive coordinator Mike Pettine, via Tim Graham of the Buffalo News:  “He usually says ‘Kill ‘em or hurt ‘em.’  That’s what I always hear.”

It proves our point that, even without bounties, players and coaches have every reason to want to knock other players out of games.  But the NFL doesn’t want players or coaches talking about it, as we saw last year when the league clamped down on Titans defensive coordinator Jerry Gray for talking about giving opponents a ride on the Gator Truck.

So while the NFL likely won’t be handing out suspensions (that later would be overturned by Paul Tagliabue), look for the league office to make it known to the Bills that talk like that is currently frowned upon in this establishment.

And while we’re in the neighborhood, allow me to reiterate that this is the primary concern Redskins fans should have about quarterback Robert Griffin III.  Regardless of when he’s healthy, defenders will be inclined to hit him low in order to give him a third torn ACL.

They’d just be wise not to say so publicly.

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63 Responses to “Bills dust off NFL’s dirty little secret”
  1. ghostofnflpresent says: Jun 13, 2013 5:36 PM

    it’s minicamp…no games have been played!

  2. crs334 says: Jun 13, 2013 5:38 PM

    Does the media actually think this is some sort of secret? Some football writers are just clueless

  3. elwayfanj says: Jun 13, 2013 5:40 PM

    A big difference between that and paying players to injure other players

  4. thevikes99 says: Jun 13, 2013 5:40 PM

    Why does every topic have RGIII or Tim Tebow in it?

  5. skoobyfl says: Jun 13, 2013 5:41 PM

    As Clubber Lang once said, Pain.

  6. pmd5319 says: Jun 13, 2013 5:41 PM

    So will the Bills have their head coach, GM and DC suspended and forfeit draft picks? Seems that the standard has been set with “Kill ‘em or Hurt ‘em” quotes. Amirite?

  7. mackcarrington says: Jun 13, 2013 5:43 PM

    Oh good grief !!!!!! Not only do these players have to watch how they tackle someone, now they have watch what they say!! Are they allowed to say they want to “kick the opponents ass.”?

  8. ragelikegronk314 says: Jun 13, 2013 5:44 PM

    Nothing new to anyone that’s played football above the age of 12..

  9. keylimelight says: Jun 13, 2013 5:44 PM

    Rule #1: Don’t talk about Fight Club

    Rule #2: …

  10. beerndrums says: Jun 13, 2013 5:46 PM

    I thought they were gonna say that every team video tapes the other team like the Patriots do

  11. cjspiller12 says: Jun 13, 2013 5:49 PM

    Non story…………give me a break………..you guys must be really bored at PFT!!!!

  12. spedman24 says: Jun 13, 2013 5:49 PM

    Are the Bills still in the NFL? I thought they moved to the CFL years ago…

  13. sdcameron says: Jun 13, 2013 5:51 PM

    Pete Holmes reference, nice.

  14. vegasbillzfan42 says: Jun 13, 2013 5:51 PM

    The Bolls need any advantage they can get. Kill em, knock em out is our only way to win the game. Beside, my high school coach used to say that all the time. IT’S FOOTBALL!!!!! Not bowling……..

  15. bigbenh8tr says: Jun 13, 2013 5:52 PM

    Why RGIII and Tebow. Page Views. We all still read the articles and they know they will. US Media coverage is awful and why the US Culture among our youth’s is getting astronomically worse by the decade

  16. spedman24 says: Jun 13, 2013 5:53 PM

    @pmd5319.

    They would only be seriously penalized if they were in the NFC. Fines, suspensions, loss of draft picks and salary cap penalties are up to NYG owner, John Mara. Who is the biggest lowlife in the NFL..

  17. dexterismyhero says: Jun 13, 2013 5:55 PM

    @pmd5319 says:Jun 13, 2013 5:41 PM

    So will the Bills have their head coach, GM and DC suspended and forfeit draft picks? Seems that the standard has been set with “Kill ‘em or Hurt ‘em” quotes. Amirite?
    ——————————————————-
    No, nice try though Aints fanboy.

  18. rg3enoughsaid says: Jun 13, 2013 5:55 PM

    Awesome.. Thanks Florio.. now other players will know everyone is going to be watching for low hits on RGIII, so they’ll shy away from that now.. just another chance to dominate.
    HTTR

  19. rooneyruleblues says: Jun 13, 2013 5:59 PM

    Nice try, but this turd ain’t sticking to any wall. What a waste of time.

  20. rextraordinaire says: Jun 13, 2013 6:06 PM

    What is said in defensive team meetings, stays in defensive team meetings.

  21. irishjugalo says: Jun 13, 2013 6:10 PM

    It only hurts until the pain goes away.

  22. billsfaninmiami says: Jun 13, 2013 6:11 PM

    Just PUT SOME SAUCE on ‘em Bills!!

  23. trollingforjustice says: Jun 13, 2013 6:12 PM

    so i guess hitting low is no longer the “Brady rule” but the RGIII rule

  24. 4thqtrsaint says: Jun 13, 2013 6:13 PM

    For the people who said there’s a big difference between doing it and getting paid to do it… Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. You’re saying its ok to try to injure others as long as you don’t take money for it. Is it worse to get paid to do it, or to do it out of pure fun?

  25. thetooloftools says: Jun 13, 2013 6:16 PM

    It’s called gang tackling. Line em’ up and knock em’ down. Hit them clean, hit them fair, BUT HIT HIM is what my coaches taught. Play like your going to get hurt, and you are going to get hurt.
    WE WASTED PEOPLE.
    Heights Bombers 68 69 70 71 72 undefeated champions.
    Crawford and Robinson had us on a search and destroy mission.
    They tought us to hit “clean”, but to hit hard.
    I Loved hitting clean
    Stand em’ up and let you buddies WASTE EM”.
    I was cool.
    I still “bag and tag” in advertising.

  26. corporate1raider says: Jun 13, 2013 6:18 PM

    The worst example of this I’ve ever seen was when the ‘9ers played the Bengals in the Superbowl. Bill Walsh said their best defensive player was their nose guard, Tim Krumrie … so what happened? The ‘9ers offensive line immediately went out and broke Tim’s leg.

    You’re pretty little ‘9ers played dirty.

  27. thestrategyexpert says: Jun 13, 2013 6:18 PM

    Any coach that has to use the words “kill him” to feel like he’s delivering a proper football message is just a lousy coach and needs to be replaced. Find a guy that actually knows how to TEACH football, rather than rampage about it.

    These quotes suggest classless and incompetent football instructors are getting in the way of great football.

  28. justintuckrule says: Jun 13, 2013 6:32 PM

    Sissy league.

  29. croghan1919 says: Jun 13, 2013 6:37 PM

    Why does every topic have RGIII or Tim Tebow in it?
    ———–
    So surfers doing web searches looking for stories on the aforementioned get a link to PFT and a possible page hit?

  30. pobreezy says: Jun 13, 2013 6:39 PM

    Funny how the same people on here calling this a non story were calling for greg williams head.
    And mister dexter, I think it might be time to get over this saints hate you got going on. Makes you come off, how should I put it, trendy.

  31. thraiderskin says: Jun 13, 2013 6:41 PM

    I understand what Williams is saying, but as long as the organization, from the top down, doesn’t pay special compensation for it to happen, I’m cool with that frame of mind.

  32. uptjeff says: Jun 13, 2013 6:42 PM

    “Bounty” has become one of the latest buzz words used by the media. It implies that payments have been made for injuries, and that has never been proven in recent years.

    If y’all want to talk about pay-for-performance programs, I’m ok with that, because that’s the norm in the NFL.

  33. shayeezy says: Jun 13, 2013 6:51 PM

    saying things like “give them a ride on the gator truck” is just meant to inspire players to play aggressively and hit hard, which is perfectly legal and has always been the M.O. in the NFL. most defenders are focusing on making plays on the ball or to bring a player down, and if they injure someone in the process of doing that and playing hard, it’s part of the game. football is largely a game of reaction, and i highly doubt players are in the heat of battle thinking of how they can inflict the most injury.

  34. veetan says: Jun 13, 2013 6:53 PM

    So exactly WHY were the Saints punished so severely for this?

  35. shayeezy says: Jun 13, 2013 6:53 PM

    and of course the saints fan would think talking about it and paying players under the table to do it are the same thing.

  36. hor2012 says: Jun 13, 2013 6:56 PM

    elwayfanj says:

    NO it’s not. The attent is still the same. It doesn’t manner that a dollar amount wasn’t or was. But, the only reason you are saying it’s not the same thing because you just want to believe that foolishness that robbed us, and yes I’m a Saints fan of a entire year was justified

  37. ilovefoolsball says: Jun 13, 2013 7:01 PM

    Whatever dude.
    Goodell got his scapegoat to say that he addressed it so everything’s fine!

    As far as the paying thing vs doing it for fun.. there still wasn’t any proof that any one was paid for injuring another player, just rhetoric from the DC so suck on that.

  38. hendeeze says: Jun 13, 2013 7:02 PM

    The Saints were punished because they specifically targeted “Little Kyle Williams” who was previously concussed. And “Primadonna Crabtree’s ACL”. They also referred to Frank Gore as the head, and if they were to kill the head, the body will follow. On top of all that, PAYING to injure these people.

    There is a big difference between that, and repeating some rally cry/motto. But Saints fan’s are blinded by their rose colored glasses. You deserved every bit of that punishment if not more.

  39. imageflood says: Jun 13, 2013 7:10 PM

    All of these issues could addressed by simply having the players wear detachable flags around their waists and using those instead of tackling. And heavy fines for any physical contact whatsoever. Problem solved! You’re welcome.

  40. booker1974 says: Jun 13, 2013 7:15 PM

    Saints haters, not one shred of evidence showed anyone was actually paid a cent for injuring another player. Yes, the had payments for big plays, including big hits, and the had a d-coordinator who talked tough. But not once was any shred of proof provided that any player paid for or was paid for injuring opposing players.

    Beyond that, over the alleged bounty years, not a single opposing player was carted off when playing the Saints, and the only opponents of the Chargers had fewer injuries than opponents of the Saints (that means that unless you’re a Charger fan, your team caused more injuries to opposing players than the Saints did from 2009-2012).

    The punishments were absolutely unjustified, and anyone saying otherwise is incredibly misinformed to say the very least.

  41. wfmulder says: Jun 13, 2013 7:17 PM

    Vince Lombardi would slap each and every one of you right now.

  42. flipola says: Jun 13, 2013 7:19 PM

    Jerry Gray sucks.

  43. wfmulder says: Jun 13, 2013 7:19 PM

    The Saints were punished because they specifically targeted “Little Kyle Williams” who was previously concussed. And “Primadonna Crabtree’s ACL”. They also referred to Frank Gore as the head, and if they were to kill the head, the body will follow. On top of all that, PAYING to injure these people.
    —————————————————-

    So did the Giants. What punishments did they receive?

  44. lovedabirds says: Jun 13, 2013 7:23 PM

    hendeeze says:
    Jun 13, 2013 7:02 PM
    The Saints were punished because they specifically targeted “Little Kyle Williams” who was previously concussed. And “Primadonna Crabtree’s ACL”. They also referred to Frank Gore as the head, and if they were to kill the head, the body will follow. On top of all that, PAYING to injure these people.
    ===============================

    WTH are you rambling about?? The ‘aints were punished for the NFC Championship game with Favre, that’s the game most synonymous with the bounty. Don’t flatter your 9ers. Not even on the radar.

  45. flipola says: Jun 13, 2013 7:26 PM

    That statement was as immature as it was accurate.

  46. dg0122 says: Jun 13, 2013 7:33 PM

    Mario will never be the brightest bulb on the tree

  47. officialgame says: Jun 13, 2013 7:36 PM

    It certainly hasn’t helped that morbid franchise.

  48. wfmulder says: Jun 13, 2013 7:38 PM

    hendeeze says:
    Jun 13, 2013 7:02 PM
    The Saints were punished because they specifically targeted “Little Kyle Williams” who was previously concussed. And “Primadonna Crabtree’s ACL”. They also referred to Frank Gore as the head, and if they were to kill the head, the body will follow. On top of all that, PAYING to injure these people.

    There is a big difference between that, and repeating some rally cry/motto. But Saints fan’s are blinded by their rose colored glasses. You deserved every bit of that punishment if not more.

    ————————————————–

    Serious question. Do you even watch football? That, my friend, would be the GIANTS. The Saints were the NFL’s scapegoat as we all know.

    Now go get mommy to tuck you in.

  49. billsboy88 says: Jun 13, 2013 7:42 PM

    Hmm…What do Gregg Williams, Mike Pettine and Jerry Gray all have in common?

    A. They have all been coaches for the Bills

  50. 2dat says: Jun 13, 2013 8:08 PM

    Three draft picks and Coach suspended for a year… Come on Commiesh. Isn’t your “Main” focus safety…..err money ?

  51. kd75 says: Jun 13, 2013 8:19 PM

    And Mamma Said Knock You Out…

  52. wfmulder says: Jun 13, 2013 8:51 PM

    The crux of football remains to this day and always will, violence.

    Fundamentals of football;

    Running
    Passing
    Blocking
    Tackling

    As you progress in the game, those fundamentals become more sound. Once they become more sound, you start to incorporate the fire that is needed.

    Every football play starts and ends with some form of HITTING. Understand?

  53. pmars64 says: Jun 13, 2013 9:01 PM

    As Jim Brown said, bounties have been part of the league since almost the beginning. I’m not going to defend the Saints because they don’t need to be. They were scapegoated, nothing more. It’s naive to think that it isn’t routine for players to go out and try to hurt other players. And it’s hypocritical to bring up the Saints treatment of Favre in the 09 NFC title game when most fans would have cheered wildly for their own team if it had helped them get to the Super Bowl, too.

  54. Bob says: Jun 13, 2013 9:51 PM

    The Saints were punished because they specifically targeted “Little Kyle Williams” who was previously concussed. And “Primadonna Crabtree’s ACL”. They also referred to Frank Gore as the head, and if they were to kill the head, the body will follow. On top of all that, PAYING to injure these people.
    —————————————————-

    So did the Giants. What punishments did they receive?

    ———————————–

    The Giants would never get punished like that. John Mara got Roger Goodell his job.

    Same applies to the Patriots, whose spying was far worse to competitive balance than any supposed bounty program. Yet, Goodell destroys the spy tapes, hands out a couple of fines and considers the matter closed. Why? Well, Robert Kraft helped Goodell get his job.

  55. boyshole25 says: Jun 13, 2013 9:54 PM

    They can try but they aren’t catching rg3 babbbbyyyyyy

  56. j0esixpack says: Jun 13, 2013 10:01 PM

    Uh oh Bills fans

    Even though the coach has really broken no rules, what counts most with Goodell is not the rules, but perceptions.

    If there’s any public outcry about this, say goodbye to a draft pick regardless of whether a rule was broken or not.

  57. uptjeff says: Jun 13, 2013 11:48 PM

    hendeeze says:
    Jun 13, 2013 7:02 PM
    The Saints were punished because they specifically targeted “Little Kyle Williams” who was previously concussed. And “Primadonna Crabtree’s ACL”. They also referred to Frank Gore as the head, and if they were to kill the head, the body will follow. On top of all that, PAYING to injure these people.

    —————————————————-

    You must have forgotten the Saints had 0 penalties that game.

  58. raiderapologist says: Jun 13, 2013 11:51 PM

    ragelikegronk314 says: Jun 13, 2013 5:44 PM

    Nothing new to anyone that’s played football above the age of 12..
    ———–
    Around here, tackle football starts at 9. So does dirty tricks.

  59. goawayeverybody says: Jun 14, 2013 2:14 AM

    NFL’s rule #1: Only the New Orleans Saints can be punished for any wrongdoing.

    NFL’s rule #2: No other team ever did anything wrong except the Saints.

  60. goawayeverybody says: Jun 14, 2013 2:16 AM

    hendeeze says:
    Jun 13, 2013 7:02 PM
    The Saints were punished because they specifically targeted “Little Kyle Williams” who was previously concussed. And “Primadonna Crabtree’s ACL”. They also referred to Frank Gore as the head, and if they were to kill the head, the body will follow. On top of all that, PAYING to injure these people.

    Hey hendeeze, hate to break this to you, but the New York Giants ALSO admitted to strategically trying to concuss Williams, and they actually DID! Do your research and quit acting like the Saints are the boogeymen of the NFL.

  61. goawayeverybody says: Jun 14, 2013 2:19 AM

    “booker1974 says:
    Jun 13, 2013 7:15 PM
    Saints haters, not one shred of evidence showed anyone was actually paid a cent for injuring another player. Yes, the had payments for big plays, including big hits, and the had a d-coordinator who talked tough. But not once was any shred of proof provided that any player paid for or was paid for injuring opposing players.

    Beyond that, over the alleged bounty years, not a single opposing player was carted off when playing the Saints, and the only opponents of the Chargers had fewer injuries than opponents of the Saints (that means that unless you’re a Charger fan, your team caused more injuries to opposing players than the Saints did from 2009-2012).

    The punishments were absolutely unjustified, and anyone saying otherwise is incredibly misinformed to say the very least.”

    Thank you! Finally! I could not have said this any better myself!

  62. greenmeattruck says: Jun 14, 2013 2:55 AM

    Nitschke, Buttkiss, Bednarik, Lambert, Romanowski… all of these guys were great football players and did things that were just plain mean to try to take out other players. It’s not dirty, it’s just football.

    When a man is a mean SOB, that’s part of the character of many outstanding football players.

    Don’t take that out of it, that’s why we watch!

  63. wfmulder says: Jun 14, 2013 12:42 PM

    corporate1raider says:
    Jun 13, 2013 6:18 PM
    The worst example of this I’ve ever seen was when the ’9ers played the Bengals in the Superbowl. Bill Walsh said their best defensive player was their nose guard, Tim Krumrie … so what happened? The ’9ers offensive line immediately went out and broke Tim’s leg.

    You’re pretty little ’9ers played dirty.

    —————————————————-

    Correct me if I’m wrong (I’m not) but didn’t Krumrie snap his leg chasing down the play. He planted, his leg snapped, end of discussion.

    Man do some of you remember, or even watch football?

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