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Bills’ Mt. Rushmore sparks Smith vs. Reed debate

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For three of the spots on the Bills’ Mt. Rushmore, the process was easy: Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, and O.J. Simpson.

For the last spot, things got slightly more complex.

I gave it to receiver Andre Reed, and PFT Planet awarded it to defensive end Bruce Smith.

Check out the video of the segment from the Pro Football Talk on NBCSN discussion, featuring Frank Wycheck, Ross Tucker, Erik Kuselias, and yours truly.

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61 Responses to “Bills’ Mt. Rushmore sparks Smith vs. Reed debate”
  1. crimepedrankings says: Jun 19, 2013 8:42 PM

    some people discount for off the field “issues”

  2. gadzod says: Jun 19, 2013 8:46 PM

    It has to be Bruce Smith. Not only is he a first ballot Hall of Famer, he’s a 11x Pro Bowl, 9x All-Pro, 2x AP defensive player of the year, Pro Bowl MVP, and All-Time leader in sacks with 200. It really shouldn’t be close. Andre Reed is one of my most favorite players of all-time, but it shouldn’t be a question that Bruce Smith is one of the 4 most influential players in Bills history.

  3. deanstructo says: Jun 19, 2013 8:48 PM

    Not even close. Bruce Smith is a much more deserving candidate than Andre Reed. Judge for yourself.

    Bruce Smith is considered one of the top three players of all time at his position (Reggie White and Deacon Jones). His stats are: 200 career sacks, 11 time pro bowler, 9 time All Pro first team, 2 time defensive MVP, first ballot HOF, all decade team 1980’s and 1990’s.

    Andre Reed is a seven time pro bowler, 2 time All Pro second team, 9th in career recptions, and 10th in career yards.

  4. gilperreault says: Jun 19, 2013 8:50 PM

    Bruce Smith is definitely one of the top 4 Bills of all time. He should be ranked higher than Reed and Thurman Thomas

  5. vbbills says: Jun 19, 2013 8:51 PM

    No way. I grew up watching O.J and the controversy surrounding him around town came to fruition in later years. He has no business representing the fine people of Buffalo.

    Reed over Smith. Really? And how can you not have Ralph Wilson and Joe D on the rock. I’ll give you Kelly over Kemp but you obviously have a modern day bias.

    Strikes against:
    Kelly – Never won the SB and his treatment of the franchise when he was drafted was classless.
    Thurman – Hard to argue with this one but going to play for the Dolphins was meh.
    Reed – There is a reason he isn’t in the Hall yet. Am I the only one who remembers the divorce?

  6. musicman495 says: Jun 19, 2013 8:59 PM

    Sorry, no one who costs his team a crucial first down in the Super Bowl because he had a temper tantrum and threw his helmet deserves to be either on Mt. Rushmore, or in the HOF. Bruce Smith all the way.

  7. jjrs89 says: Jun 19, 2013 9:03 PM

    So let me get this straight. In a tiebreaker scenario, you didn’t pick the dude in the hall of fame?

  8. mz1394 says: Jun 19, 2013 9:04 PM

    Dump Kelly and Thurman. Should be Ralph Bruce o.j and bill polian built the best team you ever had

  9. wwwmattcom says: Jun 19, 2013 9:10 PM


    I thought these two were locks.

  10. bostoncollie says: Jun 19, 2013 9:10 PM

    No double-murderers on any Mt. Rushmore.

  11. 315judman says: Jun 19, 2013 9:13 PM

    It has never been more obvious that Buffalo requires 5 faces on “Mt. Rushmore” to celebrate the greatness of this untarnished franchise. We lost 4 in a row and won none with a video assist. #billsmafia

  12. jrcoop says: Jun 19, 2013 9:14 PM

    How the hell does Bruce Smith not make it? C’mon B’lo fan, you’ve got to do better than that.

    Dolphins fan

  13. dekubetus says: Jun 19, 2013 9:18 PM

    Bruce Smith, Cornelious Bennett, then Andre Reed

  14. micknangold says: Jun 19, 2013 9:23 PM

    Reed over Smith? How embarrassing.

  15. kingdm8 says: Jun 19, 2013 9:28 PM

    I honestly don’t understand the Reed over Smith argument. I don’t think there is one to be made.

  16. jjrs89 says: Jun 19, 2013 9:29 PM

    How do you not give the tiebreaker to the hall of fame player?


  17. dapop says: Jun 19, 2013 9:30 PM

    Bruce Smith could arguably be considered the best Buffalo Bill of all time. So the fact hes not on this list is laughable.

  18. folkcrusader says: Jun 19, 2013 9:30 PM

    Frankly counselor, there is no case in which Bruce Smith is not one of the top four Bills of all time. Leaving him off makes you look silly.

  19. youhavenoclue says: Jun 19, 2013 9:36 PM

    what a joke.. first your arguing two players that it’s no question who should be on and who should not, and second how the heck is Thurman Thomas on it?

    Here is the real Bill’s Mt. Rushmore:

    Ralph Wilson
    Jim Kelly
    Bruce Smith
    OJ Simpson/Marv Leevy depending if u wanna DQ OJ for his criminal history..

  20. puckthefatriots says: Jun 19, 2013 9:45 PM

    Bruce Smith is the best player in Bills history by a wide margin.

  21. bbwasright says: Jun 19, 2013 9:45 PM

    Sorry, I had both Reed and Smith. OJ should be disallowed from any discussion for his post-football career. Aside from that, his two good seasons don’t amount to nearly what either of those guys accomplished. The guy isn’t even the best RB in the history of the Bills! Heck, if post-season is a measure, he only played in one game in his life. And he averaged just over 3 yards per carry in that loss.

    If he wasn’t a murderer, I’d understand the conversation, but both Reed and Smith did more for this team than he ever did. Of course, they didn’t have an acting career after the game was over, so the fact they led the team to four straight Super Bowls is irrelevant! Even if his acting was horrible too.

  22. ddeck00 says: Jun 19, 2013 9:49 PM

    There is absolutely positively no way Ralph Wilson should be left off. He is one of the founding fathers of the AFL. At one point he owned the Buffalo Bills and was part owner of the startup Miami Dolphins. Such an important figure in NFL history should not be disrespected that way. SMH

  23. juiceboxsupply says: Jun 19, 2013 9:52 PM

    Bruce Smith no question. He should probly be above Thurman as well

  24. timbrown222013 says: Jun 19, 2013 9:53 PM

    I will never forgive Reed for going alligator arms and dropping the ball over the middle against the Giants. We would have ran away with that game. You can’t choke a moment like that and be on Rushmore.

  25. nightofthehipple says: Jun 19, 2013 9:55 PM

    I don’t believe Thurman Thomas or Andre Reed belong.

  26. therealtrenches says: Jun 19, 2013 9:57 PM

    Buffalonians deserve better than OJ’s face decorating their mt. Rushmore.

    And Bruce Smith’s career is a masterpiece.

    But what about Marv Levy? Four Supes is nothing to sneeze at.

    Smith, levy, Kelly, and Thomas.

  27. pixelito says: Jun 19, 2013 10:01 PM

    Imagining the families of the deceased having to look at the face of the murderer of their children superimposed into the side a mountain in the same reverence as the founding fathers of this country is beyond despicable.

    Shame on you PFT.

  28. bledee10 says: Jun 19, 2013 10:12 PM

    Bruce is more deserving than Thurman, and you could argue that he’s just as deserving as Kelly.

    Personally I leave OJ off because of post-career “transgressions”, which allows room for Thurman to make it, but he should be the one fighting Reed for a spot, not the NFL career sacks leader and one of the top 3 most dominant pass rushers of all time.

  29. dylanssongwriter says: Jun 19, 2013 10:19 PM

    Andre Reed over Bruce Smith? Seriously??

  30. dartwick says: Jun 19, 2013 10:24 PM

    No disrespect to Andre Reed who was outstanding, but it really has to Bruce Smith.

  31. henryjones20 says: Jun 19, 2013 10:31 PM

    @vbbills- not only did kelly never win a SB but he was below avg. at best in ALL of them! that being said,he is w/o question top 4 of all time a matter of fact i put him at #1 followed by bruce thurman o.j.

  32. sirdrinksalot says: Jun 19, 2013 10:48 PM

    Should be reed smith kelly and thomas. OJ is a waste product.

  33. Stiller43 says: Jun 19, 2013 10:49 PM

    How is that even a debate? Bruce smith holds the all time sack lead and played a lot of his career as a 3-4 end.

    Thats a MAJOR misstep putting reed ahead of smith.

  34. coseybedaman says: Jun 19, 2013 10:57 PM

    The problem here is OJ Simpson, not Reed or Smith. I am so sick of the “homer” Bills fan who refuse to realize what garbage this guy is. Ive been as big a Bills fan as anyone my entire life, and this guy’s disgusting face representing our franchise is an embarrassment. Total lack of class for one of the classiest franchises in league history.

  35. billsboy88 says: Jun 19, 2013 10:57 PM

    I love Andre, but there is no way he makes the rock over Bruce.

    Like someone else said, Bruce is one of the top 3 players at his position of all time. Andre was a great receiver, but he’s not on the same level as Bruce.

  36. 2ndaryinsanity says: Jun 19, 2013 10:58 PM

    OJ has no business being anywhere except in PRISON. The Bills had plenty of other great players to choose for this honor. Players who aren’t sociopaths. Period.

  37. corkspop says: Jun 19, 2013 11:07 PM

    Smith way ahead of Reed. But…. where’s Kemp?

  38. rushbacker says: Jun 19, 2013 11:20 PM

    Are you freaking kidding me? Andre Reed over Bruce Smith?? LOL!! You’ve never watched football, have you?

  39. raydahhs75 says: Jun 19, 2013 11:21 PM

    To select Reed over Smith is disgraceful. You clearly are not as accomplished in your knowledge of this game as you purport to be. For shame.

  40. claymath52 says: Jun 19, 2013 11:22 PM

    Lets assume the somewhat corny premise of the “Mount Rushmore” debate were being taken literally…

    OJ, really?

  41. msclemons67 says: Jun 19, 2013 11:35 PM

    Did they legalize marijuana in West Virginia while I wasn’t paying attention? How in the hell could anyone put Thurman and Reed (great players) over Bruce Smith (one of the best ever)?

    I’ve seen some baffling decisions during the Rushmore promotion but this one looks like someone is trolling for page hits.

  42. radioactivechimp says: Jun 19, 2013 11:39 PM

    I’m a lifelong Bills fan and I definitely think Bruce Smith was more dominant than Andre Reed.

  43. desertpirate1146 says: Jun 19, 2013 11:45 PM

    I actually got to see OJ play..drop him…one great year and nothing else..average RB at the best. His “after career” defines his life. Bruce Smith is about a thousand times better choice.

  44. bruceleroy1 says: Jun 20, 2013 12:03 AM

    Bruce should be the first guy on there. He is not only the bills best player ever, he is one of the nhl’s best ever.

  45. m3dman3 says: Jun 20, 2013 12:06 AM

    Best defensive end in NFL history vs. an ok wr. Yeah you got it right lol

  46. granadafan says: Jun 20, 2013 12:47 AM

    It’s even a debate? Bruce Smith belongs there over Thurman Thomas.

  47. bobnelsonjr says: Jun 20, 2013 1:47 AM

    Too bad OJ can’t run anymore.
    He is the shining example of Buffalo star power.

  48. lajmahal says: Jun 20, 2013 2:47 AM

    Bruce Smith > Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, and Andre Reed

  49. greenmeattruck says: Jun 20, 2013 2:48 AM

    You can’t put Reed in there instead of Bruce Smith. You just can’t.
    I agree that Reed should be in the HOF, but Bruce Smith is one of the best football players of all time.

  50. anhdazman says: Jun 20, 2013 3:04 AM

    OJ Simpson should not be one of the faces that represents the Buffalo Bills. I don’t care how great of a football player you are. If you’re a piece of dirt human being, it doesn’t mean crap.

    A son turns to his father, “Dad who is that?” Father replies, “Oh, that’s OJ Simpson, possibly the best RB in Buffalo Bill’s franchise. Who also got away with murdering his wife and her boy friend.” Yeah, that would go well….

  51. Corey Jeppesen says: Jun 20, 2013 3:47 AM

    How do you honestly give Reed the nod over Smith? Seriously? Even the HOF disagrees.

  52. joetoronto says: Jun 20, 2013 5:49 AM

    Here’s an idea, take the double murderer off the list.

    Problem solved.

  53. allnflfan says: Jun 20, 2013 8:34 AM

    I think even Andre would put Bruce up there over himself. The man was a beast, a truly dominant player that had to be accounted for at all times by opponents. Much love to 83, but there is no comparison to BRUUUUUUUCE!!!!

  54. supesfan34 says: Jun 20, 2013 10:33 AM

    As big a scum bag as he is, OJ was perhaps the best RB that I ever watched. I understand people wanting to leave him off, but I voted him on.

    Also, leaving Bruce Smith off is ridiculous…

  55. wendell7 says: Jun 20, 2013 11:04 AM

    any Bills Mt Rushmore that does not include Marv Levy is a joke

  56. sanitytrek says: Jun 20, 2013 11:17 AM

    OJ was an incredible athlete and his contributions to the Bills and the NFL were established prior to his poor life choices.

    I would definately praise his accomplishments on the field and for that I like him being among the four.

    What he’s done since is awful. But this is not about what players have done after football so he needs to be recognized here.

    To choose just four is difficult. Reed is underappreciated for sure, but let’s be honest Bruce Smith had a greater impact on the Bills and should be there.

  57. redsoxu571 says: Jun 20, 2013 11:36 AM

    That’s right everyone, leave the all-time sack leader and 8 time first-team (!) All-Pro in question to make this Rushmore…

    I guess people just love offense. To me, Smith was the easiest choice of all.

  58. musicman495 says: Jun 20, 2013 2:27 PM

    I put Smith, Kelly, Levy, and Thomas. After listening on NFL network to Dolphins players talk about the Bills tanking their games together in 1973 – never throwing to even try to win the game, just to make sure Simpson got his 2,000 yard season – I can easily justify leaving the murderer off, even based on what he did ON the field.

  59. ghostofnflpresent says: Jun 20, 2013 6:02 PM

    Florio, Jack Kemp?…the only QB that lead the Bills to win 2 world championships?

  60. cjspiller12 says: Jun 21, 2013 10:12 PM

    Must be you never watched any Bills games Mike, because Reed over Bruce Smith is just plain stupid….Reed was a great receiver, but Bruce Smith is one of the best defensive players to ever play in the NFL….he was a game changer…..Reed wasn’t. Bruce was a first ballet HOFer. Your choice is just plain wrong and you need to fix it.

  61. gkthetruth says: Jul 3, 2013 6:50 PM

    Come on, I’m sorry, but you can’t have OJ on the list. This is the Mt. Rushmore of the franchise! When you have people look up at it you can’t have fans thinking, “Oh, the knife wielding murderer played here.” Oh what the heck, put him up there. But whatever you do, don’t let Pete Rose ever back into baseball. (That’s sarcasm)

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