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Former NHL coach doesn’t want to be called “Redskin”

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Last week, former NBA coach Phil Jackson called the term Redskins “highly offensive.”  This week, a former NHL coach of Native American origin agreed with the assessment.

I’d be very offended,” former Sabres and Islanders coach Ted Nolan told Tim Graham of the Buffalo News regarding the prospect of being greeted with a label the D.C. football team insists is an honor.

“There are certain things you can’t call black people or Chinese people or Jewish people. We as Native Americans, or First Nation people as we’re called in Canada, we find it offensive, too,” Nolan said.

“Sure, the Redskins name has been around for generations, but when you’re a person of that race and someone calls you a redskin, they don’t know why they’re saying it, where the word comes form or what the word means,” Nolan said.

“I never did like the word. And that’s where the president of the United States lives.  It doesn’t compute.”

With that, Nolan becomes the most prominent Native American with ties to the sports world to speak out against the name.  His words could influence other Native Americans to abandon their nonchalance regarding the term, causing opposition to become more organized — and to expand.

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  1. thegreatgabbert says: Jun 19, 2013 8:20 PM

    That’s just Sabre rattling.

  2. db3300 says: Jun 19, 2013 8:25 PM

    As a native redskin myself, I’m offended by the over-the-top politically correct BS that has taken over my ancestral homeland.

  3. turkjones says: Jun 19, 2013 8:26 PM

    Imagine if an NFL team named the “Brownskins” had a corn-rowed African-American mascot. Or we could do the “Yellowskins” with an Asian man picking a rice field.

    The only reason this hasn’t been made a bigger deal earlier is simply b/c Native Americans don’t have the numbers of some other minority groups or the strong lobbying power.

    It’s just a damn name; who would it hurt to change it to “Redhawks” (as Miami U, OH did) or something of the like?

    All of this said, the suggestion of “Redtails” was ridiculous and absurd.

  4. brownsalwaysrebuilding says: Jun 19, 2013 8:35 PM

    Just make the logo a little potato. Who doesn’t love red-skin potatoes?

  5. rickyck45 says: Jun 19, 2013 8:38 PM

    Come on…this is crazy. I can see a native american being offended by someone directly calling them a redskin. I see how that could be extremely offensive, but this is the name of a NFL team that has nothing to do with putting down native americans. Come on…we need to not be so hypersensitive to things!

  6. boogymanoflamancha says: Jun 19, 2013 8:39 PM

    If the name is offensive, especially to the people for who it is named, it needs to be changed.
    I think we should have evolved enough by now to see this.

  7. nutsacker says: Jun 19, 2013 9:01 PM

    Does anyone know where Mitt Romney is? I heard he’s stocking shelves at CVS on the graveyard shift. Remember when people thought he was gonna be president? LOL

  8. redsoxchamp11 says: Jun 19, 2013 9:02 PM

    what really blows my mind is that no one has thought to approach it as Flroda State has and partner with a local tribe and use their name likeness. This would bring money and attention to a struggling group of individuals and would be great PR if Dan Snyder actually started a charity to help impoverished Natives. The Piscataway tribe originated in that area. it would shut up congress and help people at the same time. done.

  9. petedutcherjr says: Jun 19, 2013 9:02 PM

    It’s a good thing no kne is calling him a Redskin. The only people being called that are redskin players.

    And they don’t seem to be complaining.

  10. germanstingray says: Jun 19, 2013 9:04 PM

    I guess when Nolan or Jackson buy the team they can change the name. Apparently, the Redskins fans and season ticket holders don’t have a problem.

  11. musicman495 says: Jun 19, 2013 9:04 PM

    Let’s see, a guy who is a former coach in another sport says that he would be offended if someone called him by the nickname of a football franchise, which, in fact, no one is calling him. Very impressive.

  12. abninf says: Jun 19, 2013 9:05 PM

    Don’t give in, Synder. The vast majority, including us Dallas fans, support you 100%.

  13. deacon85 says: Jun 19, 2013 9:13 PM

    So a former coach of a team in a different sport feels offended, and that’s a big deal? OK, so if there’s a Native American ex-NHL coach out there who isn’t offended, does that mean we call it even?

  14. kane337 says: Jun 19, 2013 9:19 PM

    I agree with Ted Nolan

  15. blackandbluedivision says: Jun 19, 2013 9:25 PM

    has there (is there) ever been a Native American member of this team? Anybody ask him how he feels or a Native American player in the NFL how they would feel about being on the team and being referred to as an offensive name.

  16. rivalsquirrel says: Jun 19, 2013 9:25 PM

    Obviously if you walk up to him and call him a Redskin…your intent is to disrespect him…so with that in mind….
    You can make any word offensive if that’s your intent….
    Skeet skeet skeet…used to be a sport….now it’s a vulgar act….
    People are just getting dumber…

  17. blackandbluedivision says: Jun 19, 2013 9:26 PM

    You see the problem with being a minority. If you don’t a loud of enough hoopla, nothing moves.

  18. ringwormsherm says: Jun 19, 2013 9:26 PM

    So we should all stop, and change everything because someone is offended. That’s what’s wrong with our country these days. People are too worried about being PC.

  19. kwickett85 says: Jun 19, 2013 9:34 PM

    Just stop already… the team name has been around for 80 years. Now with all these ‘sensitives’ it becomes an issue… get lives.

  20. toonloonboon says: Jun 19, 2013 9:35 PM

    i cant wait until tomorrows story about some half indian who owns and operates a ski lodge in butte, montana who’s also offended.

  21. showtyme34 says: Jun 19, 2013 9:35 PM

    I am white (can I say that, or has it been coined a derogatory and racist term yet), but I don’t see why Redskins is a derogatory term. I don’t think I have ever heard anyone use Redskin in a way that would belittle Native Americans. If it is offensive to them though, I say just change it and get it over with. I was against changing the name but now I am just tired of hearing about it.

    That being said, if the name is changed I think they should be the Washington Hogs. There is already has been fans that dressed up as the hogs. In terms of football, when people are thinking about the hogs they already automatically think of the Redskins anyway. The franchise was named after a person in the organization so keep up that tradition.

  22. nutsacker says: Jun 19, 2013 9:39 PM

    Does anyone know where Mitt Romney is? He used to be on TV now he’s not on TV anymore.

  23. gallaghedj311 says: Jun 19, 2013 9:40 PM

    Alternate uniforms w a potato on the helmet. Been saying it for months. Make it happen Danny. If u do, I’ll start referring to Jerry as the worst owner in sports….

    An Eagles fan….

  24. bobzilla1001 says: Jun 19, 2013 9:43 PM

    The reason a team hasn’t ever been named the “Brownskins” is because that name was, is and always will be racially offensive.
    The Redskins, on the other hand, is a nickname that only recently (within the past 15 years) has been deemed racially offensive by the busy-body and easily-offended liberals down at ESPN.
    If I were a Native-American, I’d be far more offended by the lack of Native-American representation on “The Sports Reporters” or “Sports Center.”

  25. mancave001 says: Jun 19, 2013 9:59 PM

    Turkjones, you are wholly misinformed. The term refers to scalping which is why it’s offensive (supposedly). It’s not about skin color. I mean, who has ever even heard it used as a slur? As for me, I think it’s clear that actual Native Americans don’t really care..or not many do. It’s always white guys with BMW’s or the likes of idiot Eleanor Holmes Norton that seem to care.

  26. fievel03 says: Jun 19, 2013 10:03 PM

    The way the votes are going on some of these posts leaves me more than amazed that we don’t have separate drinking fountains for whites and “coloreds” in this country anymore. What is wrong with some of you to not see that the name “Redskins” is offensive?!? It doesn’t matter how long it has been around. It doesn’t matter that it’s just an NFL football team.
    Nothing matters but the fact that it is 2013 and we as an American culture have evolved to a point where we recognize specific derogatory terms that bear significant weight towards/against a certain people – be it race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, etc. The fact that a professional sports team in the nation’s capitol has a mascot that bears the name of one of these terms is an embarrassment to not only the capitol, the sport, but the nation as well.

  27. thenew013 says: Jun 19, 2013 10:06 PM

    do u wanna keep the logo and change the name to natives or keep the name and change the logo to a potato lol. why is this all the sudden an issue?

  28. moneey31 says: Jun 19, 2013 10:23 PM

    surprise suprise, a bunch of non-minorities complaining an issue they can’t possibly relate too. Unless your Native American yourself, it doesnt matter whether or not you deem the term as racist. The fact is the original use of the term is in fact offensive and a racial slur. Its not about being PC, its about right and wrong. The Redskins were the last team in the league to integrate, the same person who had those racist views is the same man who named the team…ITS RACIST

  29. FinFan68 says: Jun 19, 2013 10:27 PM

    showtyme34 says:
    Jun 19, 2013 9:35 PM
    I was against changing the name but now I am just tired of hearing about it.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    And that is part of the strategy for the PC police.

  30. tmkelley1 says: Jun 19, 2013 10:28 PM

    As quoted in the Richmond Times-Dispatch and picked up by the Washington Post, the heads of three Virginia tribes were asked how they felt about it, and the head of the Rappahannock tribe said that they have far more important things to worry about, such as educating their kids, increasing employment, etc. If that’s enough for you, then enjoy your view through the glass belly button, ‘k?

  31. dutchman1350 says: Jun 19, 2013 10:35 PM

    Other races get to determine what names can be said, where is the voice for the American Indians? Good for Nolan.

  32. garryjercia says: Jun 19, 2013 10:35 PM

    Oh Ted Nolan is involved now. That name should be changed by training camp then

  33. 28skins28 says: Jun 19, 2013 10:42 PM

    I thought reporters were supposed to remain as neutral and unbiased as possible, the agenda that florio shows with these non stop articles about the name is really despicable.

    is this profootballtalk.com or mike florio’s forum for pushing his opinions.

  34. drjoemck says: Jun 19, 2013 10:47 PM

    Keep chipping away Florio. Maybe this ridiculous mascot name can get changed soon.

  35. brewdogg says: Jun 19, 2013 10:47 PM

    Where I played my HS ball, there was a school less than an hour north that was in the middle of a reservation and the majority of the students were Native American. The team name was…..Redmen. The girl’s teams were the Lady Redmen.

    Did I mention that the school was on a reservation?

    Did I mention that the majority of the students (and therefore, the parents, as well) were Native American?

    Would anyone not associated with this school, it’s students or families, or the people living nearby like to chime in and tell us all how offensive this is to Native American people? Because there is a school full of kids who proudly shout out “Redmen” on a regular basis.

  36. jdphx says: Jun 19, 2013 10:54 PM

    Some people like broccoli. Some hate it.

  37. 1standinches says: Jun 19, 2013 11:04 PM

    this political crap is getting on my nerves! stop trying to find reasons to make everything a problem!

  38. vertskate900 says: Jun 19, 2013 11:10 PM

    If I let it be known that the jobless numbers, the numbers of people on foodstamps, the almost $17 trillion dollar debt etc. “offends” me, will someone change it?

  39. msclemons67 says: Jun 19, 2013 11:12 PM

    Every offseason we get this faux outrage over the Redskins.

    And every year when training camp starts the attention seekers forget to be outraged and go back to watching the Redskins play football.

  40. rmc1995 says: Jun 19, 2013 11:20 PM

    Other Native Americans are indifferent to the term. Isn’t that the appropriate stance?Why should others be offended by a term simply because some one else is? It seems the media are desparatly trying to force native Americans to be offended by a term they really are nonchalant about.

    If there really isn’t a problem why are we trying to make one up? It seems the members of the media are offended that more Native Americans aren’t offended.

  41. thirdistheworrd says: Jun 19, 2013 11:20 PM

    redsoxchamp11 says:
    Jun 19, 2013 9:02 PM
    what really blows my mind is that no one has thought to approach it as Flroda State has and partner with a local tribe and use their name likeness. This would bring money and attention to a struggling group of individuals and would be great PR if Dan Snyder actually started a charity to help impoverished Natives. The Piscataway tribe originated in that area. it would shut up congress and help people at the same time. done.
    _________________
    The Pamunkey Nation has sanctioned the name. Additionally, the National Congress of American Indians sanctioned the name back in the 1960’s, when the organization actually had some clout (Today, the NCAI is supported by two Native nations each with a constituency of less than 200 citizens. Due to inefficiency, corruption, and ineffectiveness, the NCAI is opposed by most major Nations and exists solely through self-sustaining subsistence-level lawsuits).

  42. rmc1995 says: Jun 19, 2013 11:25 PM

    @Nutsacker,
    Romney is too busy blowing his nose with more money than you make in a year.

  43. thirdistheworrd says: Jun 19, 2013 11:28 PM

    Most importantly, this article is taken entirely out of context. If you look at the quote, you’ll see that Nolan is responding to the question “How would you feel if somebody called you a Redskin?”, not “How do you feel about the Redskins team name?”

    If you ask the right question, you’ll always get the answer you’re looking for. It may support your point, but it’s not social change and it won’t make a difference.

    Regardless of how you feel about the issue, the really offensive thing is how the sports media feel like they have to be the sole engine of social change for Natives.

    If Native groups really wanted to make a big deal out of the nickname, they would. The fact that this website’s staff seems to feel like Natives are somehow incapable of speaking out; having their voices heard; or advocating for themselves: and that sportswriters are the only ones who can do it; is not only arrogant, but far more belittling than anything one could construe from Washington’s team name or logo.

  44. audient says: Jun 19, 2013 11:29 PM

    What’s it going to take? Protests? Someone actually scalping Dan Snyder?

  45. patfic15 says: Jun 19, 2013 11:32 PM

    Hey nutsacker…why don’t you play around with your namesake and get off the keyboard?

  46. thirdistheworrd says: Jun 19, 2013 11:37 PM

    blackandbluedivision says:
    Jun 19, 2013 9:26 PM
    You see the problem with being a minority. If you don’t a loud of enough hoopla, nothing moves.
    _________
    Speaking as a minority, I can tell you that when minority groups have something worth making a hooplah about, they do. If minority groups don’t feel like making a hooplah, they won’t. I’m not a Native, but I feel like they have far more pressing matters on their plate than the name of a sports team.

  47. thirdistheworrd says: Jun 19, 2013 11:43 PM

    blackandbluedivision says:
    Jun 19, 2013 9:25 PM
    has there (is there) ever been a Native American member of this team? Anybody ask him how he feels or a Native American player in the NFL how they would feel about being on the team and being referred to as an offensive name.
    ___________________
    The team was named after its first coach, William dietz, an Oglala Sioux who grew up on a reservation in North Dakota and was shipped to Native assimilation schools from Oklahoma to Pennsylvania for most of his childhood (as was the custom back in the late 19th and early 20th centuries).

  48. stevent92 says: Jun 20, 2013 12:06 AM

    I would LOVE it if a bunch of whiny, God-forsaken liberal crybabies forced my business to change aspects of my company because they had their wittle feewings huwt *tear*

    In related news, not a single person called me to ask if I would be offended if someone called me a “cracker” or a “honkie” today. Maybe tomorrow…

  49. smitastic says: Jun 20, 2013 12:06 AM

    I’m white, if it makes you feel better you can call them the Whiteskins! The mascot will be a white dude who can’t dance. Does everybody feel better now?

  50. gweetarman says: Jun 20, 2013 12:22 AM

    Why are we talking about an 8 win team?

  51. cardinalsfan87 says: Jun 20, 2013 12:24 AM

    Man I’d love it if there was a team named the “Whiteskins”! I would be honored if an nfl team thought that was the name they wanted to represent their team and franchise.

  52. powayslugger says: Jun 20, 2013 12:29 AM

    boo hoo hoo.

    Send out the PC police… there is more whining coming from the DC area.

  53. billsfan1 says: Jun 20, 2013 12:38 AM

    Lets ask DOminik HAsak if he gives a rats a** what Ted Nolan thinks. There is a reason why Ted Nolan has been blacklisted from coaching in the NHL for nearly a decade before he got a shot a few years back….He is scumbag person and it has nothing to do with the color of his skin so his opinion on this is irrelevant it best.

  54. beelicker says: Jun 20, 2013 1:05 AM

    Or maybe the Washington GRIDLOCKS?

    Shoe … fit

  55. NoHomeTeam says: Jun 20, 2013 1:30 AM

    Something tells me that most of the “traditionalists” are on the Wrong Side Of History here

  56. cstevens17 says: Jun 20, 2013 1:31 AM

    No shortage of deluded ones here. Florio, maybe you should terminate comments after all.

  57. bunglesandbears says: Jun 20, 2013 1:39 AM

    On a side note, I think the debate to ban the name Redskins has resulted in a dramatic increase in the use of the word.

    I’m offended.

  58. outlawshark says: Jun 20, 2013 1:44 AM

    What happens if all the offensive linemen are offended for being called offensive?

  59. bobnelsonjr says: Jun 20, 2013 1:53 AM

    Anyone who has read George Orwell’s 1984 is aware of “newspeak” where words continually become illegal and banned until all of society has a very limited vocabulary.

    What weak and shallow people are those afraid of words.

  60. mschurm1 says: Jun 20, 2013 2:15 AM

    I don’t watch the games with the sound on anymore because I’m afraid someone might say “Redskin”.

  61. maximusprime107 says: Jun 20, 2013 2:27 AM

    Has anyone ever called a Native American a Redskin and meant it in a derogatory way? No? Didn’t think so

  62. slickrick971 says: Jun 20, 2013 3:19 AM

    Wait, Tim Graham still even has a job? I thought i heard the last of him when he left ESPN. Unfortunately, I guess not :(

  63. revskip says: Jun 20, 2013 4:27 AM

    Hey remember all those knuckleheads who claimed that Native Americans didn’t find the term offensive.

    Betcha a dollar they quickly change gears to a different straw man argument defending the indefensible.

  64. thedoubleentandres says: Jun 20, 2013 4:35 AM

    Seriously…the sheer amount of times this topic has come up, I have seen the following comment a ridiculous amount of times…”As soon as a native American comes out and says the name is offensive then we can change it but it’ll never happen”

    Well here you go

  65. norcalirish says: Jun 20, 2013 5:26 AM

    I want a team called the white skins.

  66. mcconnellrules says: Jun 20, 2013 8:38 AM

    Grasping at this point.

  67. beelicker says: Jun 20, 2013 9:25 AM

    OK then, Washington BROCCOLIS it is!

  68. uspoika says: Jun 20, 2013 9:32 AM

    get over it crybabies

  69. FinFan68 says: Jun 20, 2013 9:53 AM

    moneey31 says:
    Jun 19, 2013 10:23 PM
    The fact is the original use of the term is in fact offensive and a racial slur. Its not about being PC, its about right and wrong.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    This is why movements such as this take root. You are completely wrong, yet spread this belief as truth. You probably heard this from some other people who did zero research, just like you. When you actually research the origins of the term you will see the truth is the opposite of what you think is fact.

  70. dlr4skins says: Jun 20, 2013 10:00 AM

    I bet his sorry A$$ that if the Blackhawks offered him a job he wouldn’t find it so offensive……..

  71. nutsacker says: Jun 20, 2013 10:09 AM

    No amount of thumbs downs can bring Mitt Romney back. Maybe if all the simple minded folk on PFT comments section had voted, he wouldn’t have lost by 16 million votes.

  72. elyasm says: Jun 20, 2013 10:09 AM

    Any word on when the state of Oklahoma (which means ‘red people’ in Choctaw) will be changing its name?

  73. swede700 says: Jun 20, 2013 11:30 AM

    Well, elyasm, when the Redskins change their name to a word that means “redskin” in another language, then maybe that can be used as a legitimate argument.

    Until then, when the actual term Redskin is used, there’s no way to spin it so as not to be a patently offensive term, no matter whether it is solely used in reference to a football team or not.

  74. evanarrrr says: Jun 20, 2013 4:10 PM

    The amount of ignorance in these comments is appalling. Disgusting, really.

  75. thirdistheworrd says: Jun 20, 2013 4:22 PM

    revskip says:
    Jun 20, 2013 4:27 AM
    Hey remember all those knuckleheads who claimed that Native Americans didn’t find the term offensive.

    Betcha a dollar they quickly change gears to a different straw man argument defending the indefensible.
    ____________________
    The fact is that while one sports figure may make a headline, one man is never the be-all, end-all to an issue. The fact is that there is one reputable study on the stance of America’s Native population to the team name and it concluded that 92% of Natives are not offended by the name.

    There are plenty of Natives who are offended by the name, but saying their viewpoint is less significant than Nolan’s is disrespectful not only to them, but to the 92% who don’t see the team name as a problem.

    When the majority of Natives in this country want the name changed; it can and should change. Until that time this is a moot point that exploits minority issues for personal gain (ie. readership and political posturing).

  76. thirdistheworrd says: Jun 20, 2013 4:40 PM

    nutsacker says:
    Jun 20, 2013 10:09 AM
    No amount of thumbs downs can bring Mitt Romney back. Maybe if all the simple minded folk on PFT comments section had voted, he wouldn’t have lost by 16 million votes.
    ____________________
    This is not, and never has been, a matter of right and left, that’s why you got the thumbs down. This is a matter of who decides the words we can and can’t use in this country, and at what point free speech should be limited. Both liberals and conservatives attempt to limit free speech all the time, though obviously over different issues.

    Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts, a very blue state, but the majority of the Native population live in Alaska, Arizona, New Mexico, and the Dakotas, all very red states. Natives typically vote 95% Democrat, but according to the only study on the subject 92% of the Native population is not offended by the Redskins team name.

    In other words, make what you want out of that, but the point is that on no level are we discussing politics, we’re discussing social issues, and I’m sure half the people who thumbed you down were democrats annoyed by the fact that you thought this was an issue about Republicans and Democrats.

  77. ipitydafu says: Jun 20, 2013 5:21 PM

    Then I think we should rise up as a society to eliminate calling caucasians white and african-americans black.

    On a side note, living in AZ and TX and spending time in NM and OK, I’ve never once heard someone refer to a Native American as a Redskin.

  78. miamizombie says: Jun 20, 2013 7:28 PM

    he doesn’t look Indian, he looks Spanish. Is it ok, if I come up to him and say “what’s up, ese?”

  79. brickhead2012 says: Jun 20, 2013 9:25 PM

    When the majority of Natives in this country want the name changed; it can and should change. Until that time this is a moot point that exploits minority issues for personal gain (ie. readership and political posturing).

    ___________________________

    Hey thirdistheworrd,

    That is a perfect encapsulation of this situation.
    Well written.
    If it is true that 92% of Native Americans are not offended, then it is all posturing for personal gain. We all know it is meant as a tribute to the greatness and ferocity of what were essentially the soldiers of the Native Americans. I could be wrong, but I feel that is acknowledged among them. Well, 92% of them.

  80. defscottyb says: Jun 21, 2013 2:16 AM

    rivalsquirrel says:
    Jun 19, 2013 9:25 PM
    Obviously if you walk up to him and call him a Redskin…your intent is to disrespect him…so with that in mind….
    You can make any word offensive if that’s your intent….
    Skeet skeet skeet…used to be a sport….now it’s a vulgar act….
    People are just getting dumber…
    _________________________________
    Well said… It’s just like if you walked up to a white person and said “hey you caucasion” or if you said to an italian person “hey you italian” or said to an irish person “hey what’s up irishman” or even if you said to a an african american person “good morning african american” None of these terms are offensive in themselves but if you put them in that context then anything can become racist or offensive. Think about it.

  81. thisfootballfan says: Jun 21, 2013 2:27 AM

    Hey there are these pastries that are called brownies and they should change there name cause I’d get offended if someone called me that, and my buddy would like crackers to change there name too cause he’d get offended if someone called him a cracker, and how about quaker oats ? I’m pretty sure a select few of people would get offended if someone called them a quaker.

    These politically correct people need to get over it! It’s the name of a professional football team and the fans like myself worship it! We Dont go around greeting native Americans by saying “hi redskin” . just leave it alone and worry about the more important things going on in America

  82. the3taveren says: Jun 21, 2013 2:52 AM

    Mark “Stink” Schlereth (sp?) is an eskimo, so a Native American has played for the Redskins and the coach that was coaching the team when they changed the name from Braves to Redskins was at least part NA. Of course that means absolutely nothing!

    The team changed the name from Braves to Redskins because they moved to Fenway Park and wanted a connection to the Redsox.

    That is the reason. Not because George Preston Marshall didn’t like black people. And by the way you can be racist against one race and not have a problem with other races. So assuming he was racist against all races just because he didn’t like African Americans is a flawed and shallow argument.

  83. the3taveren says: Jun 21, 2013 2:56 AM

    Where is the ground swell top change the Yankees name since that is a racial slur towards European Americans (AKA white people)? I guess that is because it doesn’t offend a minority!

  84. gibbsandflair says: Jun 22, 2013 7:49 AM

    If we change to redtails could the emblem be a hot indian woman

  85. thirdistheworrd says: Jun 22, 2013 12:47 PM

    swede700 says: Jun 20, 2013 11:30 AM

    Well, elyasm, when the Redskins change their name to a word that means “redskin” in another language, then maybe that can be used as a legitimate argument.

    Until then, when the actual term Redskin is used, there’s no way to spin it so as not to be a patently offensive term, no matter whether it is solely used in reference to a football team or not.
    _________________
    I think elyasm’s point (that Oklahoma means “[land of the] Red People” in Choctaw) was not a defense of the Redskins team name so much as an argument that Redskin most likely originated as a term used by Natives, rather than an aggressive racial slur.

    He’s not taking a stance that the team name is right or wrong, just that the term wasn’t etymologically invented to degrade or disparage Natives.

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