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Mike McCarthy calls criticism of Packers toughness “a load of nonsense”

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Earlier this offseason, there was a report out of Green Bay about the team being “bound and determined” to get more physical for the 2013 season.

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel spoke to people inside the organization that said both General Manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy were open about their desire to change the team from being “too soft and small.” It’s not a huge step to go from there to saying that the team needs to be tougher than they were in 2012, unless you’re McCarthy.

“I think it’s a load of nonsense because I think the proof is in the pudding,” McCarthy said, via McGinn’s colleague Rob Reischel. “If you watch the tape and the film and you win 12 games a year and you don’t win the Super Bowl, people have to question something. I get that. … And that’s the beauty of our game. Your will and your toughness are challenged every day. So to ever label an NFL football team as not being tough? I mean, there are some teams that are tougher than others. Most teams think they’re tougher than everybody else. That’s part of the DNA of our sport. But I’m very, very confident in the toughness of our team. The way we train and the way our guys go after it, I’ve been around long enough that I have a pretty good barometer of how to gauge where your football team is. And I like where we are.”

McCarthy takes issue with the word choice, but he hasn’t taken much issue with some of the areas where the Packers underperformed last season in a way that led to questions about their toughness. McCarthy has promised a more effective running game, he’s shuffled the offensive line to place his best players in spots where he believes they can be more effective and they drafted defensive lineman Datone Jones in the first round of the draft.

He might prefer to say that his team needs to get more physical or that they need to play with more of an edge, but the issues all boil down pretty much the same way regardless of what word you use to describe them. They need to be better at running the ball and they need to be better at the point of attack defensively, and it doesn’t much matter if they get there by being tougher, smarter or something else entirely.

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  1. h3min1230 says: Jun 20, 2013 12:36 PM

    Packers finish 3rd in the division, with a bottom 2 D again.

  2. iluvbears says: Jun 20, 2013 12:36 PM

    If anyone would know “a load of nonsense” it would be Mike McCarthy.

  3. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 20, 2013 12:38 PM

    Enter the bears and Vikings fans who will say the Packers are not tough.

    As I recall, the Packers won the division and knocked Christian Ponder (and the vikes) out of the year.

    So, there’s that.

  4. jhein23 says: Jun 20, 2013 12:40 PM

    Everytime they play the Bears they look very physical. Jay Cutler looks like a scared undrafted FA when he plays the Pack.

    52-20 with a SB win over the past 4 years. Can any other team in the NFL match that over that exact time span? No 1 in the Packers division that’s for sure. Yet people will still hate out of pure jealousy. Vikings fans especially which that was their record and they had a SB trophy.

  5. shlort says: Jun 20, 2013 12:47 PM

    McCarthy needs to at least admit that the Defensive Backfield played really soft last season and the season before. In 2010, when the Packers won the Super Bowl, the Defense came to play and hit every week. The past couple years they have been soft and less than motivated to go the distance.

    This is how a Defense should be viewed by Opponents…. Opposing offenses should not look forward to playing against your Defense. Opposing Offenses should have a mindset where they will need to play their best and know they will feel the pain. That is how teams feel when they play teams with good Defenses, Mike.

    The Packers need to toughen up and hit hard on Defense every week. Maybe they are too small. Maybe the coaching staff is not requiring the physicality it takes to be feared. It is something, and if green Bay wants to win another Lombardi, they need to make playing physical, hard hitting Defense a top priority.

  6. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 20, 2013 12:48 PM

    “I think it’s a load of nonsense because I think the proof is in the pudding,” McCarthy said.
    ______

    And if anyone knows about pudding, it’s Mike McCarthy.

  7. len462 says: Jun 20, 2013 12:50 PM

    Not everyone can play the game like Adrian Peterson.

  8. greenpackage says: Jun 20, 2013 12:52 PM

    Coach Mac is right. The Packers have contended for a Super Bowl just about every year under his watch. Say want you want about the Pack having a lack of physicality, but they are clearly doing things right in Green Bay.

  9. purplepride74 says: Jun 20, 2013 12:55 PM

    I don’t know, is it a good or a bad sign when your coach starts stealing lines from Denny?

  10. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Jun 20, 2013 12:56 PM

    Cue the Vike trolls crowing about how they’ve never won the Super Bowl, but that’s okay…

  11. filthymcnasty1 says: Jun 20, 2013 12:56 PM

    I think McCarthy needs a 2nd Superbowl to cement his greatness.

  12. GenXJay says: Jun 20, 2013 12:56 PM

    Mike is a little confused. Is toughness more about important than cheesehead off the field activities now?
    What will be next weeks fad statement?
    “We need to improve our run game, beginning with actually handing the ball off?”
    …then the week after that…”we need to limit fumbles.”
    The decline will never stop. Especially, pertaining to basic football fundamentals.

  13. hurrayforyogapants says: Jun 20, 2013 1:13 PM

    GenXJay says:Jun 20, 2013 12:56 PM

    Mike is a little confused. Is toughness more about important than cheesehead off the field activities now?

    Yeah, Mike is confused…

  14. vikings28 says: Jun 20, 2013 1:16 PM

    They ARE SOFT!! Do you see all the GB DB’s move out of MVPeterson’s way? C’MON TRAMON!
    GB LB’s trying to ARM TACKLE AP….C’mon man…..He’ll tear your arm off and if you try to hit him with your shoulder, he’s going to bounce off, give you the biggest stiff arm you’ve ever seen and run for 20 yards more!! Can’t wait to play the pack this year, it’s GOING DOWN!!!!!

  15. purpleguy says: Jun 20, 2013 1:17 PM

    Even as an opposing fan, I like MM and agree with him. The issue isn’t toughness s much as the effectiveness of the defensive personnel and the D-coordinator.

  16. almighty1 says: Jun 20, 2013 1:17 PM

    Even as a lifelong packer fan I would say the O line and the defensive secondary lacked toughness last season. That being said, they will still win the division despite the offseason claims of vikings and bears fans. Those claims usually disappear 6 weeks in when they are out of contention.

  17. vikings28 says: Jun 20, 2013 1:19 PM

    tokyosandblaster says:

    HAAAA!!! this is funny.

    You beat Joe Webb….Ponder plays that game, big difference. Ponder plays and vikes got a real chance at winning that game, heck we beat em the week before. If you think any different, you just don’t know football.

  18. dino2997 says: Jun 20, 2013 1:19 PM

    Finesse team. Can’t run the ball and can’t play defense. Really…that’s supposed to be called tough?

  19. vikings28 says: Jun 20, 2013 1:21 PM

    shlort says:Jun 20, 2013 12:47 PM
    McCarthy needs to at least admit that the Defensive Backfield played really soft last season and the season before.

    This dude knows what’s up!!!

  20. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 20, 2013 1:24 PM

    McCarthy sure is thin-skinned. At least something about him is thin.

  21. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 20, 2013 1:26 PM

    So… At home, with some packers players sitting, it took a last second field goal to win.

    The other game at Lambeau, the Packers win by more than a touchdown.

    What’s funny now?

    Skol?

  22. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 20, 2013 1:30 PM

    What weird is that you morons keep blaming the loss in the playoffs to not having ponder.

    Do we need to go through the entire list of packers that were not playing (on IR or just sitting to rest for the playoffs)?

    Here’s a clue: if you’re going to blame injuries, you should see how injured the other team was.

    If the Packers and Vikes go head to head and everyone is healthy and playing, the Vikes lose by three touchdowns.

  23. PowerMad says: Jun 20, 2013 1:37 PM

    Let’s examine the new Green Bay formula for toughness:
    1. Cut their best insider linebacker, Desmond Bishop.
    2. Overpay Clay Matthews, a poor open-field tackler at best.
    3. Retain A.J. Hawk. Nothing more needs to be said.
    4. Give John Jolly, who wasn’t that special the first go-round, a second chance.
    5. Reach on Datone Jones in the draft.

    The result?

    Packers = Last.

  24. Norseman says: Jun 20, 2013 1:41 PM

    w/o Rodgers, Packers = the Jacksonville Jaguars.

    Beyond Rodgers, and maybe Clay Matthews, the Green Bay Packers are anything but tough. Those two were the only Packers (Jeff Saturday doesn’t count) to make the pro-bowl last year, and nobody else was close.

  25. cusoman says: Jun 20, 2013 1:43 PM

    @ponderthedumpoffking – you know that blaming injuries for lack of success just solidifies the softness argument, right? You can’t ignore the fact that your team’s players are very injury prone.

  26. PackersHome.com says: Jun 20, 2013 1:43 PM

    The Packers are soft. They are built for a dome. If the 49ers / Packers playoff game was played at Lambeau Field, I think the 49ers double the point margin.

    49ers are tough.
    Packers are not, and just released their toughest LB in Desmond Bishop.

    “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.”

    That’s basically the Packers. They are finesse and once popped, they abandon the running game and fling, fling and fling it some more.

    We Packers fans are hoping this is changing with the two drafted RB’s and the added rookies to defense.

  27. expertop says: Jun 20, 2013 1:49 PM

    I like Mike McCarthy. He’s a good coach and he seems like a good guy – even keeled and doesn’t do a lot of talking. And his point here is well-taken: you can’t really win 12 games being soft. All that said, it’s a little hard to consider his points on toughness without noticing just how… plump?… the guy is.

  28. GenXJay says: Jun 20, 2013 1:49 PM

    Aarongance – the mind set of Reality Stars having only faith in one individual player.
    get off Ponders nuts, gb trolls.

  29. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 20, 2013 1:55 PM

    Awwww… You hate me enough to try impersonating me. I’m flattered!

    Now if you can just go to school 15 more years (start where you dropped out…6th grade?) and then we can be in the same level, intellectually speaking.

    Bye, bye, Jr,!

  30. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 20, 2013 1:58 PM

    Norseman says:
    Jun 20, 2013 1:41 PM
    w/o Rodgers, Packers = the Jacksonville Jaguars.

    Beyond Rodgers, and maybe Clay Matthews, the Green Bay Packers are anything but tough. Those two were the only Packers (Jeff Saturday doesn’t count) to make the pro-bowl last year, and nobody else was close.

    I’ve never understood this argument.

    Without Peterson, the Vikings don’t win one game the last two years.

  31. jhein23 says: Jun 20, 2013 1:59 PM

    @powermad – when’s the last time a team with a franchise QB which Rodgers is, finished last in their division? That’s what you dream about but it’s not going to happen unless #12 is injured. There is no way any of the teams in the NFC North are better than Green Bay right now – they just aren’t.

  32. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 20, 2013 2:01 PM

    @cusoman, you realize that the injury argument was in response to someone blaming injuries for losing to the packers in the playoffs, right?

    Try to keep up.

  33. purplepride74 says: Jun 20, 2013 2:02 PM

    Rick Spielman is a Magician says:Jun 20, 2013 1:24 PM

    McCarthy sure is thin-skinned. At least something about him is thin.

    L.O.L.

  34. hurrayforyogapants says: Jun 20, 2013 2:05 PM

    Norseman says:Jun 20, 2013 1:41 PM

    w/o Rodgers, Packers = the Jacksonville Jaguars.

    —-

    So what? Without Ponder the Vikes = … well, actually they’re probably a little bit better. Nevermind.

  35. filthymcnasty1 says: Jun 20, 2013 2:06 PM

    This is the D that brutally ended Ponder’s season when they delivered that devastating arm bruise. I was hoping that they’d ease up a bit.

  36. ruvelligwebuike says: Jun 20, 2013 2:16 PM

    All a casual observer has to do is take one look at this thread and they will note what people from surrounding states have known forever.

    Minnesotans are clearly one of the lowest forms of life on Earth.

    Failed at everything you’re ever done. Hopefully your new stadium doesn’t tip over when it snows like the last one.

  37. allday28mvpmvp says: Jun 20, 2013 2:24 PM

    tokyosandblaster says: Jun 20, 2013 12:38 PM

    Enter the bears and Vikings fans who will say the Packers are not tough.

    As I recall, the Packers won the division and knocked Christian Ponder (and the vikes) out of the year.

    ————-

    Actually Ponders last game was a 3 TD performance in a win vs GB. But sure remember it however you want buddy

  38. allday28mvpmvp says: Jun 20, 2013 2:27 PM

    Is there anything worth mentioning about Wisconsin except the Packers? Nope.

    Requirements to be a Packer fan:
    -Trailerhome
    -Natty’s Ice

  39. 4gone says: Jun 20, 2013 2:29 PM

    I am as big of a Packer fan as the next guy but this has been my complaint the last few years. Bishop was the most physical of the inside linebackers. Hawk and Jones play like they are on rollerskates – always rolling backward. Coach may not like it but they don’t have a tone-setter on defense. Mathews gets sacks and flexes his muscles nice for the ladies but it is speed rush, not bull rush. They don’t have a thumper, they don’t have someone you plan around or run away from. No attitude, no physicality.
    Frustrating. Truth.

  40. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 20, 2013 2:32 PM

    Vikings fans rules:

    1.) ignore history–it isn’t on their side. No running back has ever come close to repeating after a 2000 yard season. Also, since they’ve never won a Super Bowl, it’s important to minimize the importance of them. So saying that the Packers won in the 60′s isn’t an achievement makes sense.

    2.) Divert attention from facts– truth is detrimental. HGH testing could become a reality, and Adrian Peterson just had the fastest acl recovery in the sport. So… “Um… Aaron Rodgers is gay!” Yeah, yeah, THAT’LL get’em!

    3.) Be hypocritical–because being a perennial loser makes it ok. I cannot stand Packer trolls all over our posts. No Vikings fans troll!

    4.) Being a homer is ok–because if I follow rules 1-3, all that’s left is my opinion!for example: The Packers wouldn’t have won the playoff game if the mighty Christian Ponder were playing. He has played one good game in 26, and now he’s the best to ever play. Aaron Rodgers hasn’t won more than one Super Bowl, so he is a choker.

    Packers fan rules:

    1.) Keep being amazing.

  41. larrydavid7000 says: Jun 20, 2013 2:34 PM

    mike I guess will find out week 2. mike WINTER IS COMING.!!!!!!!!

  42. mvp43 says: Jun 20, 2013 2:38 PM

    PowerMad says:
    Jun 20, 2013 1:37 PM
    Let’s examine the new Green Bay formula for toughness:
    1. Cut their best insider linebacker, Desmond Bishop.
    2. Overpay Clay Matthews, a poor open-field tackler at best.
    3. Retain A.J. Hawk. Nothing more needs to be said.
    4. Give John Jolly, who wasn’t that special the first go-round, a second chance.
    5. Reach on Datone Jones in the draft.

    ——————————————–
    Wow, at least act like you have a little football knowledge:

    1. Best inside LB? really. He’s coming off a serious injury at nearly 30 years old and carries a 3.4 mil cap space. Could it backfire? yes it could….but not likely.
    2. Overpay 1 of the best pass rushing OLB? ya right. He is an elite player.
    3. AJ Hawk has not panned out for being the 5th pick, no doubt, but statistically he had a decent year. The Packers like him moreso because he’s always in the right place and makes the defensive calls. I’d rather he was a more balanced player. You stick someone else in there that can’t make the calls, whats worse?
    4. First off, I applaud the Packers for giving him a second chance. It would be foolish for them not to at least kick the tires and see if he can still play. There’s no guarantees attached. They may end up cutting him loose, if thats the case.. so be it. On the flipside, if he does show something, good job by the Packers. Also, for what its worth… Jolly was a solid player in ’08 & ’09.
    5. Reach? really? How could you say that. Have you done any research on him? Grading any player before he even steps on the field is risky, but every article I’ve read about him is positive. As a matter of fact, most so called “experts” feel the Packers got a steel at that pick. Did you watch the senior bowl?

  43. vikings28 says: Jun 20, 2013 2:49 PM

    Ok..I’m live in MN and I am a viking fan and I grew up in WI.
    @ruvelligwebuike says: Minnesotans are clearly one of the lowest forms of life on Earth…

    That’s just a dumb statement.

    First, Packers are soft. If you don’t think so, look at how many yards they gave up to AP and the 49ers alone. I rest my case.
    Running game is for tough dudes. Packers are small and fast on defense, but when they line up against the meat that is the vikings o-line, they get punished. I believe it was like 500 or some yards for peterson in 3 games, while facing stacked boxes 93% of the time. WHICH EQUALS you can’t butt heads….plain and simple. Am I wrong? I dont’ think I am, but if I am, please let me know because I’m super curious to see where I am off base.
    Now the vikes, yea we can’t pass……this year hopefully we get better because if we become just average, we’re going to be scary.
    Now for the playoff game….if you think if ponder plays and it’s an easy win, I guess you just don’t know. If Ponder doesn’t throw 2 red zone picks in lambeau, during the regular season, pack lose. If I am wrong, let me know!!!!!
    SKOL!!!!!!

  44. vikings28 says: Jun 20, 2013 2:54 PM

    oh yea…did Matt Kalil just completely man handle Clay Matthews in all games? I believe so….try getting around Kalil!!!
    Dudes got strenght and he’s fast…I watched him push Clay upfield about 10 yards when he tried to run around him….then Kalil just stands and waits for clay to come back. We got ourselves the best LT in the NORTH! Period!

  45. leatherface2012 says: Jun 20, 2013 2:59 PM

    they are weak because they never play anyone decent

  46. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 20, 2013 3:00 PM

    ponderthedumpoffking says:Jun 20, 2013 1:30 PM

    What weird is that you morons keep blaming the loss in the playoffs to not having ponder.

    Do we need to go through the entire list of packers that were not playing (on IR or just sitting to rest for the playoffs)?
    _____

    Yes, please. I keep hearing this argument but haven’t heard any names yet. Did you know that other teams have injuries, too?

  47. stellarperformance says: Jun 20, 2013 3:12 PM

    First of all, any comments coming from Viking fans is a waste of time and space. Only their arrogant superiority complexes keep them from acknowledging the truth…which is the fact they are in the Packers’ rearview mirror until they can prove otherwise. Until then……all hat, no cattle.

    On the other hand, I am not worried about San Francisco. They fooled the Packer coaches….badly. It won’t happen again.

    The team that the Packers have to beat in order to not be labeled, is the New York Giants. They are the “new” Dallas Cowboys in the lexicon of the team they just can’t beat.

    Beat THEM first, then make any claims you want.

  48. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 20, 2013 3:15 PM

    Yes, Rick, they do. And then they play the games.

    The Packers beat the Vikes twice last year.

    Nothing more needs to be said.

  49. larryboodry says: Jun 20, 2013 3:24 PM

    As a Bears fan I find this comment thread amusing as hell…It is not something I do often, but I must agree with GB fans on this one, because most of the comments from MN fans are just too delusional.

    I can’t speak on the Packers overall toughness, since I only watch them twice per season…But, until someone else comes along and wins the division, GB is still the team to beat in the North, and I see Chicago detrhroning them before MN does…The Vikes can only ride AP’s coattails so far, and they have no other weapons to speak of.

  50. mavajo says: Jun 20, 2013 3:27 PM

    “Overpay Clay Matthews, a poor open-field tackler at best.”

    Lol wut? Matthews is one of the best tackling OLBs in the NFL. What a tool.

  51. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 20, 2013 3:28 PM

    I guess I’m confused. Who had a better defense last year, GB or Minny?

    Check the stats and get back to me.

  52. mavajo says: Jun 20, 2013 3:29 PM

    “did Matt Kalil just completely man handle Clay Matthews in all games?”

    ————–

    Um, Clay only played in two games against the Vikings last year (he missed the first game due to injury) — he got 3 sacks in those 2 games.

    So…what were you saying?

  53. txpackfan52 says: Jun 20, 2013 3:30 PM

    The Packers could use some more toughness on defense to be sure. What is funny is this: If the Packers are so “soft”, what does that make the Vikings? I mean their record vs this soft team, since 2010, is 1-6. For that matter, the record for all of the Packers’ NFC North opponents is 3-17 over that same time period.

  54. 13xworldchamps says: Jun 20, 2013 3:30 PM

    Something you Vikings fans will never get….Desmond was a 6th round pick that played special teams and back up, Nick Barnett gets hurt and the Packers have Bishop waiting in the wings. Bishop gets hurt and misses the whole year with a very serious injury, has a high cap number…..The packers have Manning and Francois waiting in the wings….both guys we developed.

    The Packers are a draft and develop team, something the vikings, lions and bears don’t get. Next man up.

    Thats why in the last 4 years we are 50-21, with two division titles, two wild cards and a super bowl victory…No team in the NFL can match that.

    Desmond Bishop was a good player for us, I wish him well.

  55. larryboodry says: Jun 20, 2013 3:36 PM

    @tokyo:

    MN had a worse defense than both Chicago and GB.

  56. tokyosanbblaster says: Jun 20, 2013 3:37 PM

    Me smart!

  57. squared80 says: Jun 20, 2013 3:38 PM

    Hey, Mike. When you were offensive coordinator in San Francisco, who was the lone instrumental party in the decision to draft Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers?

    Oh, that’s right… YOU. This coach is so overrated it’s not even funny. What does every ‘great’ coach have in common? An elite quarterback. Some coaches are great, but many others are frauds with great quarterbacks. Case in point.

  58. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 20, 2013 3:48 PM

    ponderthedumpoffking says:Jun 20, 2013 3:15 PM

    Yes, Rick, they do. And then they play the games.

    The Packers beat the Vikes twice last year.

    Nothing more needs to be said.
    ____

    In other words, no you can’t name the Packers who sat out the game the Vikings won. So how about you quit making excuses for losing that game and just admit the Vikings are not the worst team in the NFL? Because you look stupid.

  59. deltaoracle says: Jun 20, 2013 3:51 PM

    Packers play outside, many of the games are in cold weather, and they win most of them.
    Tough enough for me.

  60. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 20, 2013 3:57 PM

    Larry, I know. It’s just more fun when they look it up, all set on saying the Vikings were better. This crushes any will they have.

    It’s just about respect. I don’t go on their boards and say the Packers are better runners. I don’t go on bears boards and say the Packers have a better defense.

    I guess they just say whatever since they have no ground to stand on.

  61. farvite says: Jun 20, 2013 3:59 PM

    You are what you are Mike.

    You had the #2 D when you won your Title and it has been downhill since. And after Peterson and the 9ers ran for a gazillions yards on you in crunchtime, of course people are questioning your D.

    And grow up for crying out loud. Whining like a child does nothing but invite more criticism.

  62. onbucky96 says: Jun 20, 2013 4:02 PM

    Mike, did you not watch tape of AP tearing your D appart? Or of Kapernick running by Erik Walden and the rest of those slugs on D? Soft and doughy, just like Mike. SMH, hope for the best, expect the worst.

  63. farvite says: Jun 20, 2013 4:08 PM

    “did Matt Kalil just completely man handle Clay Matthews in all games?”

    Not as bad as Cliffy used to pwn Jared Allen.

  64. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 20, 2013 4:08 PM

    Sigh.

    Ok. Did not play:

    Jeff Saturday, Donald Driver, Randall Cobb, James Starks, Charles Woodson, Alex Green, Davon House.

    On IR:

    Cedric Benson, Nick Perry, Bryan Bulaga, Desmond Bishop, Derrick Sherrod, DJ Smith.

    Tell me again how Ponder is worth all of those.

  65. farvite says: Jun 20, 2013 4:12 PM

    “I think McCarthy needs a 2nd Superbowl to cement his greatness.”

    Green Bay fans disagree.

    He’s already Lombardi in their book.

  66. ruvelligwebuike says: Jun 20, 2013 4:14 PM

    “First, Packers are soft. If you don’t think so, look at how many yards they gave up to AP and the 49ers alone. I rest my case.
    Running game is for tough dudes. Packers are small and fast on defense, but when they line up against the meat that is the vikings o-line, they get punished. I believe it was like 500 or some yards for peterson in 3 games, while facing stacked boxes 93% of the time. WHICH EQUALS you can’t butt heads….plain and simple. Am I wrong? I dont’ think I am, but if I am, please let me know because I’m super curious to see where I am off base.
    Now the vikes, yea we can’t pass……this year hopefully we get better because if we become just average, we’re going to be scary.
    Now for the playoff game….if you think if ponder plays and it’s an easy win, I guess you just don’t know. If Ponder doesn’t throw 2 red zone picks in lambeau, during the regular season, pack lose. If I am wrong, let me know!!!!!
    SKOL!!!!!!”
    —————

    That’s a lot of bravado and exclamation points for a team that’s 1-6 against the Pack in the last three seasons. Especially coming off a stomp out in the playoffs. No surprise though…

    “Our city is the best!” (stadium falls down)

    “Our fans are loyal!” (need two extensions to avoid a blackout of a home playoff game)

    “The Packers are soft!” (1-6 against them in the past 3 years)

    “This is our year!” (never won a damn thing in 50 years and 51 isn’t looking good either.)

  67. vikings28 says: Jun 20, 2013 4:23 PM

    I can’t wait for this season!! it’s going down!! AP will be running down hill and now the vikes have some real big corners. My guess is when we play GB Rodgers is going to be running for his life.

    Jared Allen is in a contract year, so you know what that means. Harrison Smith patroling the middle of the field in his 2nd year. You have to admit Harrison was pretty darn good as a rookie. 2 INT’s returned for TD’s among about 3-5 TD’s broken up cause dude brings the LUMBER…something GB can’t.

  68. GenXJay says: Jun 20, 2013 4:29 PM

    Guess who the packer trolls will be watching in week 4?
    Hate the Vikings all you want but, you reality stars are tuning in due to fear in 2013.

  69. hurrayforyogapants says: Jun 20, 2013 4:42 PM

    ponderthedumpoffking says:Jun 20, 2013 4:08 PM

    Sigh.

    Ok. Did not play:

    Jeff Saturday, Donald Driver, Randall Cobb, James Starks, Charles Woodson, Alex Green, Davon House.

    On IR:

    Cedric Benson, Nick Perry, Bryan Bulaga, Desmond Bishop, Derrick Sherrod, DJ Smith.

    Tell me again how Ponder is worth all of those.

    To: Rickspeilmanisamagicalman

    And boom goes the dynamite…

  70. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 20, 2013 4:44 PM

    ponderthedumpoffking says:Jun 20, 2013 4:08 PM

    Sigh.

    Ok. Did not play:

    Jeff Saturday, Donald Driver, Randall Cobb, James Starks, Charles Woodson, Alex Green, Davon House.

    On IR:

    Cedric Benson, Nick Perry, Bryan Bulaga, Desmond Bishop, Derrick Sherrod, DJ Smith.

    Tell me again how Ponder is worth all of those.
    _______

    Randall Cobb is the only one of those guys who is worth anything, and he was more than capably replaced by Greg Jennings. You think those guys are worth Percy Harvin?

    Sorry, I didn’t realize we had to spot you a team.

  71. scott46 says: Jun 20, 2013 4:46 PM

    The truth of the matter is Green Bay is tough but the 49ers are tougher…

  72. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 20, 2013 5:02 PM

    Interesting. So you’re judging davon house, DJ Smith, nick perry and Derek Sherrod as worthless in their first two years, but you need us to give Ponder three to see of he’s good?

    Great. I’m so glad we are on the same page.

    Hey, what are your thoughts on hypocrisy?

  73. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 20, 2013 5:12 PM

    Also, don’t look now, but if Desmond Bishop signs with the Vikings, you just called him worthless.

  74. purpleguy says: Jun 20, 2013 5:26 PM

    Unfortunately, all this Viking trolling is proximately caused by Tokyo, Gerbschmidt and FilthymcStupid getting Vikes fans riled up on the Viking posts. I don’t know why in hell you guys can’t shut up once and a while and keep all the trolls asleep — I just lost 10 IQ points scrolling down through these comments. Then again, maybe now I could fit in at a bar in Sheboygan.

  75. golforepar says: Jun 20, 2013 5:27 PM

    Love all the “ringless” Vikings banter! Vikings fans are still getting over the parade they had last year for making the playoffs.

  76. stellarperformance says: Jun 20, 2013 5:32 PM

    Can’t you just smell the desperate ache of jealousy the Viking fans have for the Packers and the Packer fans? They want to be us so badly they cannot help themselves from resorting to childish taunts and name-calling….anonymously of course.

    I kind of like where I am sitting….as a Packer fan…..looking down at those that wish they were us.

    Good luck in 2013…you’re going to need it. The measure of the best team isn’t decided by Viking fans that simply CALL their team the best. Reputations are made on what you do…not what you wish you could do. We know it…and you need to learn it.

  77. The Prophet says: Jun 20, 2013 5:39 PM

    And he made all those remarks while wearing a sundress with matching hat.

  78. vikings28 says: Jun 20, 2013 5:40 PM

    That’s a lot of bravado and exclamation points for a team that’s 1-6 against the Pack in the last three seasons. Especially coming off a stomp out in the playoffs. No surprise though…

    “Our city is the best!” (stadium falls down)

    “Our fans are loyal!” (need two extensions to avoid a blackout of a home playoff game)

    “The Packers are soft!” (1-6 against them in the past 3 years)

    “This is our year!” (never won a damn thing in 50 years and 51 isn’t looking good either.)

    ruvelligwebuike says:Jun 20, 2013 4:14 PM @@@@

    So you are saying the packers can line up against the vikes and stop peterson? C’mon man in my Keyshawn Voice!!! C’mon man!!!!! This year will be much of the same, especially bringing back every lineman this year…the same line that tore you guys up last year…..
    Honestly, you have to give the vikings that. Pack can’t line up and play the vikings run game. they can’t. Stats don’t lie. Yea, you guys are 6-1 in the last 3 years, but AS YOU KNOW……NFL is year to year!
    This year, will be much of the same. AP running over every DB the packers have and Breaking the weak a$$ tackles tha AJ Hawk and Brad Jones throw on the table. Heck AP is only 20 lbs lighter than those two.
    If you don’t agree, then you just don’t know Football.
    I will say, we only can contain Rodgers, not stop him.
    You can say what you want but AP Owns and I mean OWNS the Packers front 7 and back 4. PERIOD.

  79. vikings28 says: Jun 20, 2013 5:49 PM

    Rodgers didn’t start until year 4 and sat behind a first ballot hall of famer named Brett Favre….
    Ponder…well you know he had none of that.
    Do you think Rodgers development was because of Favre?
    Of course, you’re going to say it’s not….it’s fine. Whatevs…but it had a lot to do with how Karen is doing now, but Favre wasn’t as emotional…..hence Karen running and jumping at Mccarthy on national TV….that was super funny!!! I don’t expect anything less, he’s emotional.

  80. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 20, 2013 5:50 PM

    ponderthedumpoffking says:Jun 20, 2013 5:12 PM

    Also, don’t look now, but if Desmond Bishop signs with the Vikings, you just called him worthless.
    ____

    He missed the entire season. Are you seriously blaming that humiliating loss on Desmond Bishop not playing? How long do we have to give you to adjust?

    We had a bunch of guys miss time too. Every team does. Stop whining and accept that you lost a game fair and square.

  81. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 20, 2013 5:52 PM

    purpleguy says:
    Jun 20, 2013 5:26 PM
    Unfortunately, all this Viking trolling is proximately caused by Tokyo, Gerbschmidt and FilthymcStupid getting Vikes fans riled up on the Viking posts. I don’t know why in hell you guys can’t shut up once and a while and keep all the trolls asleep — I just lost 10 IQ points scrolling down through these comments. Then again, maybe now I could fit in at a bar in Sheboygan.

    You should read tokyo’s post about fan base rules. You fall into the hypocrisy category as well.

    Contra, conor, GTO, and several others were trolling packers articles for a long time.

    Tell them and all your fellow Viking trolls to shut it and maybe the Packers trolls will disappear, like all your chances with women did long ago.

  82. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 20, 2013 6:00 PM

    Wow. Vikings fans really have issues.

    How about this: you need to win consistently against us before we as fans will consider your team a threat. History is not on your side. Facts, like age and your QBs ability are not on your side.

    This is a football blog, and our football team is better than your football team.

    The. End.

  83. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 20, 2013 6:44 PM

    New flash: We don’t care if you think our team is a threat or not. Personally, I just enjoy pointing out the ridiculous statements you and your ilk love to make. No matter how hard you try, the number of Super Bowls your team has won is not going to convince me that you’re better than me or anyone else.

  84. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 20, 2013 6:54 PM

    Rick Spielman is a Magician says:
    Jun 20, 2013 6:44 PM
    New flash: We don’t care if you think our team is a threat or not. Personally, I just enjoy pointing out the ridiculous statements you and your ilk love to make. No matter how hard you try, the number of Super Bowls your team has won is not going to convince me that you’re better than me or anyone else.

    —–

    I don’t think I am.

    I think my team is.

  85. GenXJay says: Jun 20, 2013 7:28 PM

    Us Viking fans are simply pointing out that cheese bay is declining, making irrational roster moves, & have absolutely no chance if (once) ShAaron is hurt & addicted to pain meds.
    Now, toughen up & quit throwing your sucker in the dirt.

  86. stellarperformance says: Jun 20, 2013 8:02 PM

    vikings28 says:
    Jun 20, 2013 5:49 PM
    Rodgers didn’t start until year 4 and sat behind a first ballot hall of famer named Brett Favre….
    Ponder…well you know he had none of that.
    Do you think Rodgers development was because of Favre?
    Of course, you’re going to say it’s not….it’s fine. Whatevs…but it had a lot to do with how Karen is doing now, but Favre wasn’t as emotional…..hence Karen running and……………….
    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Who? Who are you talking about?

  87. stellarperformance says: Jun 20, 2013 8:06 PM

    Here go the Viking trolls again……fixated on calling men by feminine names……which tells us more about them than the player.

  88. vikings28 says: Jun 20, 2013 8:09 PM

    Ponder is who I am talking about. People rip on the guy all the time. If he sat behind a 1st ballot hall of famer he’d be much better. It is what it is. I hope Ponder does better than last year and if he does, vikes will be real good. No question about it.

  89. stellarperformance says: Jun 20, 2013 8:12 PM

    purpleguy says:
    Jun 20, 2013 5:26 PM
    I don’t know why in hell you guys can’t shut up once and a while and keep all the trolls asleep — I just lost 10 IQ points scrolling down through these comments. Then again, maybe now I could fit in at a bar in Sheboygan.
    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Nope. You wouldn’t fit in at a bar in Sheboygan……you are self-admittedly too stupid.

  90. GenXJay says: Jun 20, 2013 8:26 PM

    are referring to ShAaron.
    If so, then yeah. Toughen up.

  91. northstarnic says: Jun 20, 2013 8:36 PM

    Geez McCarthy! Kind of sensitive, aren’t you? Quit your whining, you’ll have your chance to prove your critics right on the field.

  92. monkeyboymotors says: Jun 20, 2013 8:38 PM

    I guess the only thing I got out of this thread is that Mike McCarthy and Tokyo are not confused, just Bi-curious.

  93. stellarperformance says: Jun 20, 2013 9:12 PM

    Rick Spielman is a Magician says:
    Jun 20, 2013 6:44 PM
    New flash: We don’t care if you think our team is a threat or not. Personally, I just enjoy pointing out the ridiculous statements you and your ilk love to make. No matter how hard you try, the number of Super Bowls your team has won is not going to convince me that you’re better than me or anyone else.
    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Nobody is trying to convince you of anything. Your “ilk” are the ones with the superiority complexes….thinking they are cut from the same cloth as the tree huggers of Seattle or have the high altitude attitude of Denver. But alas……. they’re no better than us. That’s why they try so hard to put us down.

    Here’s a hint……give it up…..”cousin.”

  94. jimthebuilder27 says: Jun 20, 2013 9:19 PM

    “Proof is in the pudding.”

    That shows that Mike McCarthy certainly knows where the buffet line is.

  95. golforepar says: Jun 20, 2013 9:46 PM

    Rodgers is MVP, SB MVP, SB CHAMP etc. If you don’t respect that – your opinion is mute. Name calling?? WOW just wow! Classless!!

  96. outlawshark says: Jun 20, 2013 9:59 PM

    I had fun with this one on another post:

    Over the last 15 games, Green Bay has dominated the Vikings 11-4. Total score over that time: Packers 407, Vikings 277. These games include GB 45 – MN 7, GB 31 – MN 3 (at MN), and GB 34 – MN 0. Owned, plain and simple. The best part is that the Vikings’ greatest rival is the Packers, yet you are an afterthought for the Packers, because the Bears are our greatest rival, not the Vikings. Truth.

  97. contraisloosebuthole says: Jun 21, 2013 12:07 AM

    I would rather the Packers lose every game than become a running team. Running teams are boring. The NFL knows this. Passing puts azzes in the seats and its only a matter of time until the NFL institutes new pass friendly rules. Running teams are boring. The markets the NFL want do not want to watch that.

  98. chi01town says: Jun 21, 2013 12:21 AM

    I hate the packers BUT to say they are not a tough team is just stupid.
    Greenbay is in the north…. BLACK & BLUE is not just a nickname. And as bad as I hate to say this.. the packers have a lot to do with it

  99. coleman121280 says: Jun 21, 2013 1:25 AM

    REAP THE WHIRL WIND GENTLEMAN!!!

    MVPPPPETERSON! is gonna stomp all through that swiss cheese.

    XAVIER AND HARRISON ARE GONNA SHUT DOWN KAREN

    AND PATTERSON IS THE SECOND COMING OF MOSS.

    LETS NOT FORGET SHARIFF ‘BRING THE GRIEF’ FLOYD WILL BE TEAMING UP WITH RAJI NEXT YEAR AFTER WE WIN THE SUPER BOWL THIS YEAR TO MAKE THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS THE TEAM OF THE DECADE.

    SO COUNT THE TROPHIES AND BRAG ABOUT HE LEGENDS OF LAMBEAU

    ITS ALL PURPLE FROM HERE ON OUT SUCKAS!!!!!!!!

    MVPETERSON!

  100. chi01town says: Jun 21, 2013 1:38 AM

    Im the last person alive to defend
    the packers because the only thing
    worse than a Greenbay packer is a greenbay fan. BUT to say they are not a tough team is just stone stupid. this is the black & blue division and greenbay has alot to do with that. this time the pillsberry dough boy has a point

  101. reason1265 says: Jun 21, 2013 4:35 AM

    vikings28 you really need to get a life why are you trolling on Packers news sites? I mean I know its tough that vikes are 1 – 7 against GB over the last 3 years, and that you have ZERO superbowls, but come on, get a life

  102. reason1265 says: Jun 21, 2013 4:42 AM

    GenRX , did you guys build a special room at the new stadium for your super bowl trophy’s? Oops sorry, forgot you have never one.

    Get a life

  103. vikings28 says: Jun 21, 2013 1:44 PM

    reason1265 says:Jun 21, 2013 4:35 AM

    vikings28 you really need to get a life why are you trolling on Packers news sites?

    That’s just a dumb statement. Look at vikes news sites….same thing bro. You mad bro?

    Don’t be mad cause I make good points. Pack are soft, they need to get tougher/bigger in the middle or they’ll not get another super bowl…it’s just a fact. In the playoffs, running games take over.
    Peterson is a beast and Rodgers is a great QB. Want to argue that? Donks!!

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