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When it comes to Pats, it makes sense to put a kicker on Mt. Rushmore

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We agree yet again.

When the time came to whittle the Patriots’ all-time greats down to four, PFT Planet and Pro Football Talk on NBCSN made the same selections.

Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, Robert Kraft, Adam Vinatieri.

Yes, Vinatieri.  With three Super Bowls each won by three points generated with his foot and the most memorable postseason kicking performance in a Foxboro snow globe, Vinatieri deserves it.

The vote was still close.  Vinatieri barely beat out linebacker Tedy Bruschi.  And Ross Tucker made a strong argument for guard John Hannah.

There’s a shock.  The offensive lineman supports an offensive lineman.

The whole segment, including Tucker wearing his best Robert Kraft dress shirt, appears below.

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58 Responses to “When it comes to Pats, it makes sense to put a kicker on Mt. Rushmore”
  1. i, flounder says: Jun 20, 2013 9:45 PM

    how bad is the history of the pats that their entire history can be told during the career of this one qb. i remember having a football card when i was a kid that read “scott zolak led the patriots to their only victory of the season.”

  2. lennydpocketqb says: Jun 20, 2013 9:46 PM

    He’s the reason why they are a dynasty. He’s the reason why Peyton has his ring. Kudos Adam.

  3. damnsureis says: Jun 20, 2013 9:48 PM

    If you had to include 4 recent Patriots I would still with Tedi over Adam. This franchise did exist before 2001 so an older player would make a nice addition.

  4. spedman24 says: Jun 20, 2013 9:48 PM

    Gotta put Hernandez

  5. rhodeislandpatriotsfan says: Jun 20, 2013 9:48 PM

    Adam Vinatieri over John Hannah is a real head-scratcher. Hannah is viewed by many as the best O-lineman in NFL history. Granted, Adam may be the most clutch placekicker, but, unlike Hannah, he is no lock as a Hall of Famer. Why? Because he’s a kicker! And that’s the real kicker I see with the selection of “Mr. Clutch” for the Patriots “Mount Rushmore.”

  6. sycophanticide says: Jun 20, 2013 9:48 PM

    What? No mention of Hernandez?

  7. jakec4 says: Jun 20, 2013 9:51 PM

    Far from a Pats fan, but aside from the obvious three, Troy Brown is the still the one I immediately think of after Brady, Belichick, and Vinatieri.

  8. aklolzer says: Jun 20, 2013 9:53 PM

    Aaron Hernandez?

  9. pats54 says: Jun 20, 2013 9:56 PM

    Bruschi ran that locker room. When you talk about the “Patriot Way,” that existed when Bruschi schooled the new guys (rookie or veteran) who entered their locker room. I’m sorry to say those days are gone. Since Bruschi retired, that locker room has not been the same. Vinatieri made some clutch kicks and I’m very grateful for those. But make no mistake, defense won those championships and if the defense didn’t do their job, Vinatieri wouldn’t have the chance to make those kicks. Add in the leadership that Bruschi brought to the table and it’s a no brainer. Reverse the decision and put Bruschi on Mt. Rushmore.

  10. hutch119 says: Jun 20, 2013 9:59 PM

    I thought a video camera should have got the 4th spot.

  11. benh999 says: Jun 20, 2013 10:01 PM

    John Hannah, Andre Tippette, Bruce Armstrong, Ty Law, Rodney Harrison, Stanley Morgan, Irving Fryar? No.

    A freaking place kicker? Yes, seriously?

  12. rhamrhoddy says: Jun 20, 2013 10:02 PM

    Brady, Belichick and Kraft are the foundation for the most successful part of Pats history. Who was gonna be the 4th was the question. You kinda think you don’t want a kicker up there but Vinatieri was big time clutch.

    And not only did he make every huge kick on the biggest stages but he also once chased down and tackled Herschel Walker on a kickoff return which was pretty badass for a kicker.

  13. azwildcats96 says: Jun 20, 2013 10:03 PM

    Dynasties don’t win by last second field goals… and cheating.

  14. willyshock says: Jun 20, 2013 10:05 PM

    John Hannah could be all four faces. This whole thing is a farce without him. Real Patriots fans (who would never wear a pink ball cap) know he is the best Patriot player… Ever.

  15. ncfloyd says: Jun 20, 2013 10:07 PM

    A kicker over one the best guards ever? Ridicolous!
    Vinatieri is so clutch, he was 4 of 6 in NE SBs. The only reason the 2nd title was won by his late FG was because he missed his first two in that game.

  16. rickandj says: Jun 20, 2013 10:07 PM

    It is ridiculous to not have Hannah on that wall.

  17. kja22 says: Jun 20, 2013 10:07 PM

    Surprised this article didn’t mention Aaron Rodriguez!

  18. hatetriot4life says: Jun 20, 2013 10:13 PM

    wow now you no football as we know it is over bill kraft n brady on rushmore way tooooo early for the spygate genius era ..but adamv all day can’t cheat kicks …now for all pats who aren’t bandwagon new era fans this should feel like a kick in the sack where is hannah tippet bledsoe coats bruschis come on n I hate this franchise terrible way to rep the nfl

  19. outlawshark says: Jun 20, 2013 10:19 PM

    Or a camera.

  20. bifftannen55 says: Jun 20, 2013 10:24 PM

    Brady, Belichik, Kraft, and camcorder.

  21. pooflingingmonkey says: Jun 20, 2013 10:24 PM

    Hannah not being included in this “award” only serves to prove it’s worthlessness. He is, without question, one of the 2-3 best guards of all time.

    This is a charade.

  22. neelybourque778 says: Jun 20, 2013 10:24 PM

    Yes. Vinatieri belongs there.

  23. qdog112 says: Jun 20, 2013 10:26 PM

    No Mt. Rushmore is complete without the videographer responsible for most of the franchise success.

  24. thebigtim2012 says: Jun 20, 2013 10:30 PM

    So many well deserving names. But hard to argue against your outcome. Well done sir.

  25. northstarnic says: Jun 20, 2013 10:38 PM

    What, no Aaron Hernandez?!

  26. marima07 says: Jun 20, 2013 10:40 PM

    Huh. No one from the old guard, eh? Interesting.

  27. hscorpio says: Jun 20, 2013 10:40 PM

    If a kicker is a franchise great, it’s not a great franchise.

  28. tpa43 says: Jun 20, 2013 10:41 PM

    Robert Kraft? Hes nor a coach nor a player! All he did was support spygate! Should have went with Hannah!

  29. razzlejag says: Jun 20, 2013 10:45 PM

    Absolutely can’t argue with this one.

  30. lks311 says: Jun 20, 2013 10:51 PM

    So, if anyone else has a kicker on their Rushmore, they’re sad sacks, but the Pats—it’s a must have. Okay…got it.

  31. tdurdenlives says: Jun 20, 2013 10:54 PM

    So basically, they had zero success prior to 2001.

  32. mgiang87 says: Jun 20, 2013 10:55 PM

    Robert Kraft??? What a joke.

  33. 13fitzj says: Jun 20, 2013 11:06 PM

    Where’s Hernandez?

  34. drtharrison says: Jun 20, 2013 11:21 PM

    I have long thought that John Hannah was the best guard I can remember seeing.

    And I am a Dolphin fan (Larry Little, Bob Kuechenberg weren’t exactly slouches).

    How Hannah was omitted in favor of the kicker, is baffling.

  35. ne4789 says: Jun 20, 2013 11:22 PM

    And how did Hannah and Tippett not make this? Two NFL Hall of Famers who have their numbers retired. But we have a kicker who yes hit clutch field goals make this list?

  36. ddogdaddy says: Jun 20, 2013 11:35 PM

    Wonder if he will be wearing his COLTS jersey?

  37. vicnocal says: Jun 20, 2013 11:42 PM

    Just glad Bruschi didn’t make it in. He is very overrated.

  38. micknangold says: Jun 20, 2013 11:57 PM

    Hannah is the best guard ever, and easily the second best Patriot of all time. Lot’s of kickers could have delivered like Vinatieri, given the same opportunities.

  39. juliusanonymous says: Jun 21, 2013 12:08 AM

    You better put Hernandez on that list or he might do a drive-by on the PFT offices.

  40. pastabelly101 says: Jun 21, 2013 12:38 AM

    Crazy to have a kicker and an owner, Brady, Belichick, Hannah and Tippett.

  41. db3300 says: Jun 21, 2013 1:14 AM

    I can’t think of a single owner who should be on any team’s Mt. Rushmore. As for coaches, you’d better be Lombardi, Landry, Walsh, or someone who actually changed the game. Otherwise, it happens on the field and owner/coaches don’t carry the ball.

  42. northerntanned says: Jun 21, 2013 2:06 AM

    Hannah is an NFL all time great and may be the best player at his position ever. I’m not sure how many voters are aware of the contributions/abilities of Hannah, Tippett, Cunningham, Nance or Cappelletti that did not play in that last 15 years? If they were Vinatieri and Kraft likely wouldn’t be part of the final 4.

  43. briscocountyjr says: Jun 21, 2013 4:51 AM

    pats54 says:
    Jun 20, 2013 9:56 PM
    “Bruschi ran that locker room…”

    Like Jerry Sandusky

  44. mrpresident2 says: Jun 21, 2013 6:17 AM

    Tippett? Hannah? C’mon.

  45. jimjets says: Jun 21, 2013 7:25 AM

    I pointed out that kraft is en effeminate little doughboy who’s father handed him everything…and that football is a mans game.

    I pointed out that Scott Pioli is the one who picked Brady, and he gave “the genius” his life…because we all remember how he was as a head coach before Brady showed up and it went right into the ethers.

    maybe Roger goodell is destroying this evidence for the pats too?

  46. jimjets says: Jun 21, 2013 7:26 AM

    AND I mentioned that I voted for ochocinco, albert haynesworth, tim tebow and all the receivers and cornerbacks mumble mouth has drafted over recent years.

  47. larrydavid7000 says: Jun 21, 2013 7:35 AM

    Another pathetic franchise putting a KICKER on their mt. rushmore. That says a lot that this team has no real history or tradition when it comes to players that have played there.

  48. loldeepball says: Jun 21, 2013 7:47 AM

    For a while there, including when the Pats were winning championships, their defense was really, really good. I think Bruschi deserved a spot to represent that defense from when it was at its best. Maybe he wasn’t Ray Lewis, but he was a critical part of something special.

  49. bigbluefan11 says: Jun 21, 2013 8:08 AM

    If you let a Russian take your super bowl ring, you don’t deserve to be on the mountain.

  50. patsfanforlife says: Jun 21, 2013 8:10 AM

    Total farce. There’s no way John Hannah is NOT on the Patriots’ Mt. Rushmore. Could also may an exceedingly strong case for Andre Tippett. Replace Kraft and Vinatieri with those two, and I might give this a bit of credence.

  51. vaphinfan says: Jun 21, 2013 9:18 AM

    Why not Parcells. He is the one reponsible for putting the team together that won 3 super bowls.

  52. pinion8ted says: Jun 21, 2013 9:51 AM

    Not a single one of the Patriots greats from the “old days” …..no wonder people complain that Patriots fans think the franchise started in 2001.

  53. jackgonzo says: Jun 21, 2013 10:03 AM

    Not having Hannah or even Tippette on their Rushmore shows how many bandwagon Patriot fans there are.

  54. jwh8541 says: Jun 21, 2013 11:55 AM

    No video assistant is an outrage.
    Without those guys 3 SB wins not possible.

  55. patsbrat says: Jun 21, 2013 3:54 PM

    larrydavid7000 says:
    Jun 21, 2013 7:35 AM
    Another pathetic franchise putting a KICKER on their mt. rushmore. That says a lot that this team has no real history or tradition when it comes to players that have played there.

    ___________________________

    Just what role did the Patriots franchise play in putting a kicker on the mt.? It would seem to be the pft readers that put him there.

    No history? The Patriots were one of the original AFC franchises. Sure, they were a bad team for most of their history, but that history still deserves a place on the mt. Take out Kraft and Viniteri and replace with Hannah and any out of Gino Cappelletti, Russ Francis, Steve Nelson, Andre Tippet, Mike Holovak (coach ’61-68, AFL coach of the year in 66) or my other recent favorites Tedy Bruschi or Troy Brown.

  56. patsbrat says: Jun 21, 2013 4:15 PM

    patsbrat says:
    Jun 21, 2013 3:54 PM
    larrydavid7000 says:
    Jun 21, 2013 7:35 AM
    Another pathetic franchise putting a KICKER on their mt. rushmore. That says a lot that this team has no real history or tradition when it comes to players that have played there.

    ___________________________

    Just what role did the Patriots franchise play in putting a kicker on the mt.? It would seem to be the pft readers that put him there.

    No history? The Patriots were one of the original AFC franchises. Sure, they were a bad team for most of their history, but that history still deserves a place on the mt. Take out Kraft and Viniteri and replace with Hannah and any out of Gino Cappelletti, Russ Francis, Steve Nelson, Andre Tippet, Mike Holovak (coach ’61-68, AFL coach of the year in 66) or my other recent favorites Tedy Bruschi or Troy Brown.

    …Oops, I forgot to add Steve Grogan. Not HOF, but he played his heart out every Sunday.

    Brady
    Belichick
    Hannah
    Grogan

  57. jackericsson says: Jun 21, 2013 4:56 PM

    *

  58. lanman11 says: Jul 18, 2013 9:16 PM

    The list is reflective of young internet oriented fans that have less sense of Patriots history. They think the franchise started when the Internet was invented. They had lots of good players and two trips to the Superbowl before 2001. Heck, the Patriots have 7 Superbowl appearances, good for 3rd in the NFL.

    Bruschi over Vinatieri….

    Troy Brown….Mr Patriot….should be there…..

    Hannah should be there….

    Tough to put both coach and owner on there. Can’t argue with it though.

    Tough call…..

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