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Three Super Bowl wins changed “the Patriot Way”

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Coaches always will be tempted to take risks when the reward is winning.  Successful coaches find themselves having far greater license to do it.

For Patriots coach Bill Belichick, three Super Bowl wins in four years and the ongoing presence of one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history have empowered him to take chances.  After all, Belichick isn’t and for the foreseeable future won’t be on the hot seat.

And if he’d ever get fired by the Patriots, someone else would be willing to hire him immediately.

Hints of a greater willingness to embrace risk came in 2007, with the drafting of safety Brandon Meriweather in round one, and the trade that brought receiver Randy Moss to New England from Oakland.  Meriweather kicked an opponent in the head during an on-field fight at the University of Miami, and Moss’s tombstone will (or at least should) read, “I played when I wanted to play.”

The habit accelerated in 2010, with the two-tight-end dice-roll on Rob Gronkowski (round two; back problems) and Aaron Hernandez (round four; failed drug tests).  Both looked great through their first two seasons.

In 2011, Belichick took risk-taking to a higher level, using a third-round pick on much-maligned quarterback Ryan Mallett and then, after the lockout, sending mid-round picks to the Redskins and Bengals, respectively, for defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth and receiver Chad Ochocinco.  That same year, the Pats spent a fifth-round pick on Marcus Cannon, an offensive lineman who was diagnosed with cancer in the weeks preceding the draft.

In 2012, a seventh-round flier was taken on cornerback Alfonzo Dennard, who was charged with assaulting a police officer only days before the draft.  During the 2012 season, Belichick traded for cornerback Aqib Talib, a former first-rounder who had more than a few off-field predicaments in Tampa.

Then came the unexpected (but in hindsight brilliant) waiver claim on tight end Jake Ballard (ACL) and, most recently, a trade for running back LeGarrette Blount and the decision to bring Tebowmania to town.

It’s not that Belichick is harboring reputed bad guys.  Instead, he’s generally buying low — whether due to injures, health problems, off-field issues, or perceived distractions from a nationwide army of fanatics and the overly zealous media horde trying to serve them.

In some cases, Belichick’s willingness to take risks has worked.  In other cases, it hasn’t.  For some players, it worked initially but then went the other way.

Regardless, Belichick has opted to take risks because he’s far more focused on cementing a legacy than keeping his job.  While it has yet to deliver a fourth Super Bowl win, there’s no reason to change, because he won’t be on the hot seat any time soon, if ever.

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76 Responses to “Three Super Bowl wins changed “the Patriot Way””
  1. thegreatgabbert says: Jun 21, 2013 4:28 PM

    Karma for Bellyache.

  2. nfloracle says: Jun 21, 2013 4:35 PM

    Better a risk taker than a loser like logicalvoice and his goofy pro Redskins’ comments.

  3. johnelwayishorsefaced says: Jun 21, 2013 4:35 PM

    Ryan Mallett was considered by most to be a first round talent with minor character issues. How, then, would it be considered a major risk to take him in the third round?

  4. blackandbluedivision says: Jun 21, 2013 4:36 PM

    Bill B’s risks still equate to two Super Bowl appearances and winning records in every season since then. Oh, and a perfect regular season.

    Yet, people still complain. “But, he hasn’t won a Super Bowl since then.” He’s been pretty darn close.

  5. b3nz0z says: Jun 21, 2013 4:37 PM

    i remember all the times the press said things along the lines of “the patriots are the only team that can make a troubled player do well, because of their FO and locker room and coach.”
    the fact is, nobody can bring in as much drama as the pats have and maintain the focus they were known for. if anything, it’s impressive they’ve kept it together as long as they did.

  6. blackandbluedivision says: Jun 21, 2013 4:39 PM

    added Brandon Meriweather & Randy Moss…went 16-0 and lost in the Super Bowl

    added Gronk and Hernandez, Ochocinco and the Haynesworth debacle…1 year later and they’re in the Super Bowl

    added Talib and Dennard and they are one game away from the Super Bowl.

    Most teams wish they could have that kind of success.

  7. cajunaise says: Jun 21, 2013 4:40 PM

    Big omission: two chances taken on Donté Stallworth.

  8. TheWizard says: Jun 21, 2013 4:45 PM

    I think this current issue will result in the bar being raised a little hire for future additions to the team.

    Kraft is gonna be major league pissed off.

  9. mattwalshvideo says: Jun 21, 2013 4:46 PM

    Wrong Spygate & cheating changed everything.

    Belicheat doing anything and everything to win a SB without Spygate hanging over his head lead him to acquire players with the same creep character as himself.

  10. jackericsson says: Jun 21, 2013 4:46 PM

    ***

  11. frankdatank23 says: Jun 21, 2013 4:46 PM

    In a nutshell, whatever he had, he lost….. ( that was the core of the superbowl ready team Bill parcells built with Bledsoe, Ty law, Willie mcginest, Ted bruschi, mike vrable, etc.

  12. londonlion81 says: Jun 21, 2013 4:46 PM

    Everyone’s acting as if Gronkowski’s dying.

    He’ll play for the Patriots again at some point, and there’s no reason why he won’t be back to his best.

  13. thebigtim2012 says: Jun 21, 2013 4:47 PM

    The patriot way was held together by guys like bruschi mcginnest, vrabel once they left the “patriot way” largely left too

  14. swede700 says: Jun 21, 2013 4:48 PM

    And apparently, the risk on Corey Dillon was forgotten.

  15. bagadeez04 says: Jun 21, 2013 4:53 PM

    Bunch of cheaters and murderers.

  16. gbmickey says: Jun 21, 2013 4:53 PM

    And some say genius?

  17. overratedsteelerhater says: Jun 21, 2013 4:55 PM

    always one of those teams you don’t want to
    have on your schedule…..thats the way i see it

  18. vincentbojackson says: Jun 21, 2013 4:58 PM

    Even the Bengals think the Pats took too many chances on guys with sketchy backgrounds.

  19. purpleguy says: Jun 21, 2013 4:58 PM

    Wait a second, isn’t this almost the same article as previously published by a Boston columnist? And no credit or reference by PFT for that idea to the other author?

  20. silentcount says: Jun 21, 2013 5:01 PM

    Based on the logic he used last year, will Goodell accuse the Patriots of knowing about Hernandez and his intent to injure? Will he say he warned them to stop him, but they didn’t listen. Will Belichick be suspended for a year as an example to other teams? Will the team be fined 500 grand and lose draft picks? Will Tagliabu be called in again to bring rational thought to the process?

  21. u4iadman says: Jun 21, 2013 5:01 PM

    Cheating is catching up to the owner and coach.
    Look at how mismanaged the drafts have been, and the trades. Far worse than the Raiders.

  22. stull60060 says: Jun 21, 2013 5:06 PM

    Ladies and gentlemen when Tom Brady goes via retirement or injury so goes Bill Belichick. Without Brady and the NFL rule changes favoring the offense and the passing game Belichick would not have one single Super Bowl ring as a head coach. It’s not the coaches it’s the players who win games.

  23. showmethemtds says: Jun 21, 2013 5:07 PM

    It helps that he has a qb who is, always has, and always will be better than most of the other qbs in the league (including pick six Peyton).

  24. keylimelight says: Jun 21, 2013 5:07 PM

    I think one of the ways the Patriots have been able to keep a shine on their brand is through tight control of what goes out to the media.

    Like Jerry Jones’ “America’s Team” motto, the Pats have that “the Patriot Way” thing out their. Both examples are mere campaign slogans with little truth in actuality but have been fed to the media (and they stuck).

    Belichick uses strict naval discipline to keep his players in line as to what gets out in interviews and social media. It has worked well…until now.

    Most amazingly, there was not a whisper about that guy having his eye shot out earlier this year while out with AHernandez. That kind of episode would normally be bloody red meat for the media during NFL off season/slow news season but that didn’t happen. Why?

  25. deadunicorn says: Jun 21, 2013 5:09 PM

    Lol…. This guy cheated in every Super Boel and the refs made up a rule to get him to his first one. Am I missing something?

  26. dubblelznhell says: Jun 21, 2013 5:16 PM

    Gronk will be worn out in a few years…Hernandez may be shacking up with a Bubba for the foreseeable future….They haven’t had a great running game since Corey Dillon….Moss was great in NE. He plays when he wants to but up until the year he was traded, he obviously wanted to play in NE. The stats don’t lie. Ballard will get in because of the Hernandez situation. See how that unfolds…bottom line: With all this Drama they still own their division and have appeared in 2 superbowls losing to two Giants teams that were much better than the opponents the Patriots faced during their 3 superbowl victories…..the arguable exception being the Rams. They do a good job. I’d like them to run the ball like they did during those wins…and up the defense. Doesn’t seem like their D was as airtight as it was in those days….

  27. mpnieland says: Jun 21, 2013 5:16 PM

    The proof is in the pudding: The Patriots are consistently winning their division, making deep playoff runs, and the overall team has not suffered from any of these risks.

    Some worked, some didn’t. Gronk & Hernandez are successes, I don’t care what anyone says. Any team in the league would’ve paid those two guys what the Pats did. The two biggest blunders are Haynesworth and Ochocinco, not because of lost money but because of draft picks.

    But you may have noticed Bill made up for that blunder by making a great draft day trade this year to acquire more picks. Which he then used to load up again.

    The only metric that Bill cares about is winning, and he’s willing to takes risks to that goal, because he knows he’s got Tom and they’ll at least compete, and he knows how to get the best out of what he’s got (take a look at the defenses he had in their last 2 SB appearances).

  28. dallascowboysdishingthereal says: Jun 21, 2013 5:23 PM

    The Pats still are still a solid organization but the fact is they are trending down. Just not what they were before.

  29. tedmurph says: Jun 21, 2013 5:24 PM

    Twenty-twenty hindsight is great when all of a sudden it fits your narrative, but BB has always done it the same way; even before he had the resume. Brian Cox, Cory Dillon, Rodney Harrison, to give 3 examples. He brings in guys that he thinks can help the team at the value he thinks they’re worth. Many have 1rst rnd or Pro Bowl pedigree. But, whether it’s his own vets(Milloy,Law, Seymour) or FAs, he’s always done it the same way. If it helps the team win they’re in, if not, their gone. Most the time, BB gives them a fresh start here, regardless of the past. Talib, for example hassbeen a model citizen , so far. BB has been nothing but consistant. It’s about winning, legacy will take care of itself.

  30. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Jun 21, 2013 5:25 PM

    Bengals’ owner Mike Brown employed the “buy on the cheap” strategy for years. No one called him brilliant. It was only when he stopped that the teams started to build. Looks like the strategy is leading Belichick to the same place it led MB.

  31. Steeley McBeam says: Jun 21, 2013 5:25 PM

    And losing caused him to take a chance at cheating… Dont forget about the biggest risk of all — taping other teams practices/warm-ups.

  32. strokinmyego says: Jun 21, 2013 5:27 PM

    You’re completely jumping the gun on Gronk. There’s no reason that he won’t return to his elite form when he comes back. He’s already had a back surgery that was far more serious than this one missed a full season at Arizona and rebounded to dominate the NFL. Why can’t he do it again?

    Belichick is a great coach, because of his success he is allowed to take risks this has been said before the Hernandez situation. One really bad egg doesn’t mean Belichick takes too many chances. The media may be piling on him now but when Hernandez was drafted the extent of his off the field issues was being caught smoking marijuana nobody saw this coming.

  33. kd75 says: Jun 21, 2013 5:42 PM

    Man, I can still remember the NFC Championship when the Giants scored a couple quick TDs and Moss completely quit. He was literally taking two steps and standing there on every play. At least Cris Carter was playing hard that game. But pretty much the rest of the team quit.

  34. rhodeislandpatriotsfan says: Jun 21, 2013 5:42 PM

    Don’t you get the sense that this troll who is posting to most—if not all—Patriots-related discussion threads might be the same person using different usernames?

  35. dynaco says: Jun 21, 2013 5:43 PM

    Art Model bought him a one way bus ticket to where ever he wanted to go. And rightfully so, my hero! Now can we talk about Chuck noll?

  36. timmons94 says: Jun 21, 2013 5:48 PM

    Easy to pile on hoody these days… Whatever. Grow up patriots haters he is still best coach in nfl.. Deal with it haters

  37. jonnydapat says: Jun 21, 2013 5:56 PM

    After Hernandez is gone. I can guarantee three things, the Patriots will continue to be successful, the haters will continue to hate and this site will continue to take shots at the Patriots.

  38. thestrategyexpert says: Jun 21, 2013 6:12 PM

    As long as you are talking about questionable players he has brought on to the team, maybe he should be indited for all of his mistakes on game day where he foolishly let his team down by not being responsible and figuring out how the clock and timeouts and other basic things work.

    He may not be on the hot seat to lose his job, but that doesn’t change the fact that he is arguably the most overrated coach in the history of the game due to the disparity between the actual value he brings to the franchise and the perceived value. Most people that like this guy only account for the 10% best decisions he made, and they don’t look at all of the stuff he messed up on his watch. And that’s a massive amount of things that I have seen. So yes not on the hot seat, but SHOULD be on the hot seat for at least a demotion and pay reduction.

    It’s sickening to see how many basic mistakes he has made yet still getting paid at an ultra high level. He should have been accountable to higher work performance standards if he wants to make that kind of salary and not expect me to jump on him hard for coming up short.

  39. phooteballs says: Jun 21, 2013 6:16 PM

    If only we could go back to the old Patriots way of stealing defensive signals. We’d have 3 more Super Bowl rings. Damn you Mangini!

  40. mattwalshvideo says: Jun 21, 2013 6:19 PM

    I can guarantee 3 things too.

    Hernandez is going to jail

    Brady and Belicheat are retiring in 2 years without a legit super bowl ring

    Pats fans will continue to try and convince themselves it’s all ok.

  41. jssgriffi says: Jun 21, 2013 6:26 PM

    Yeah they took the cheaters route!

  42. thesteelers says: Jun 21, 2013 6:44 PM

    The “Patriot Way” consists of shooting people in the face and destroying evidence (Goodell is good at that too).

  43. thesteelers says: Jun 21, 2013 7:03 PM

    The “Patriot Way” consists of shooting people in the face and destroying evidence (Goodell is good at that too).

  44. dlk47823 says: Jun 21, 2013 7:08 PM

    I keep seeing this story over and over again, as if Belicheck won the SB last year. Its been NINE YEARS now. This team wasn’t good enough last year, time for the down cycle. Nobody can be good every year.

  45. therealtrenches says: Jun 21, 2013 7:17 PM

    Hmmm…I’m pretty sure I said just about the same thing as this post in a comment after today’s earlier post about what a draft risk Hernandez was, only to find that my comment didn’t make it past the PFT censors. Has it really come to this, Mike?

  46. rushmatic says: Jun 21, 2013 7:20 PM

    Much like the Patriots changed after great success, so did this site, turning from the always-interesting rumor mill to Mike Florio’s bid for legitimacy based on bad perspective and dumb opinions.

  47. tedmurph says: Jun 21, 2013 7:29 PM

    The “Patriot Way” consists of shooting people in the face and…. oh wait, I meant this for the next 4 threads about the Pats, my bad.

  48. nightofthehipple says: Jun 21, 2013 7:29 PM

    I don’t see a problem using low draft picks on flawed talent. The way they stockpile picks, they are really not losing anything by making some low risk high reward choices.

  49. blueballz77 says: Jun 21, 2013 7:44 PM

    The truly brilliant move would be for BB to find a way to Remove the Giants from the NFL!! Big blue baby

  50. lakermetskins says: Jun 21, 2013 8:17 PM

    Looking at the big picture, the Patriots have not won due to their strategy on both offense and defense. They had top 5-10 defenses during their super bowl years while Tom Brady “managed” the offense with good running games. They’ve won nothing since Brady started throwing for 4000 yards a year. Look it up! Throwing for that many yards is great until the playoffs begin and Brady has one subpar game. The Defense has been lousy and cannot make up for a bad offensive performance- unlike the Defenses in the super bowl years. Yes, he’s tried to improve the defense by taking weird chances on problem players recently but his selection of players whether drafted or free-agency is something to be desired.

    He’s come up short the last 7-8 years and I feel he needs to return to the Old Patriot Way- Have a balance offense that’s not so QB-centric and build a foundation on defense. Give him credit for three super bowls but the last was ten years ago. I personally feel that is due to the systems now employed on offense and defense.

  51. fearthehoody says: Jun 21, 2013 8:35 PM

    Man the hate is strong here! I saw em, Mike saw em, you saw em…. PATS got 3 rings, nothing will ever change that!

  52. sampsonswag01 says: Jun 21, 2013 8:37 PM

    The fact is the way the system is set up….successful teams have the system stacked against them in having prolonged continued success (ref. lower draft positions, inability to keep key veteran components) for any reasonable long period. This is good for the NFL as a whole as it gives many of the other teams ample opportunity to be the new bully of sorts.

    But……Belechick the Pats and other successful teams know that being a perennial low-round team will only provide 2nd tier talent and sometimes to sustain dominance you have to change your system and take risks on character guys. They knew about Hernandez and they knew his risks. This just backfired big-time unfortunately. And I’m a 49ers fan……..who are doing the same thing by drafting young albeit injured players who have huge upside to them.

  53. thebigtim2012 says: Jun 21, 2013 8:41 PM

    Strategy expert and all you football geniuses ripping bb for being a terrible coach and making horrible decisions cheating and whatever other mud you want to sling. The facts are the facts no team has been to playoffs and deep into the playoffs at that since bill took over. They continue to dominate year in and year out. Too bad you can’t say the same for your team. So suck it up he’s better than you and your coach.

  54. jonnydapat says: Jun 21, 2013 8:47 PM

    @mattwalshvideo
    Right on Hernandez, one out of three. Time will prove you wrong like every year with the same old continuous “this is the year the Pats fail” B.S. ! Second guarantee was haters will still hate you proved that right. Brady will be gone in two years, but B.B. will not. Tic Toc, Tic Toc, time will tell!

  55. metitometin says: Jun 21, 2013 8:54 PM

    What people don’t seem to understand is that EVERY team was and is cheating and EVERY team was videotaping.

    Roger Goodell sent that memo about videotaping to EVERY team in the NFL. If the Pats were the only team videotaping, then why did Goodell send that memo to EVERY team in the NFL? Because every team was videotaping. Why do coaches constantly cover their mouths when calling plays? Because EVERY team is out there trying to steal signals.

    The Pats had to take the hit for EVERY team that was out there videotaping and they were unduly punished by the NFL. Not every team had a rat willing to rat out the head coach like Eric Mangini though.

    People act like the Pats are the only team trying to get an edge. EVERY team is doing that. Saints bounties, Jets tripping players, 49ers circumventing the salary cap every year, Seahawks and other dome teams pumping in phony crowd noise. People can sit on their high horse and think that the Pats are the only team that cheats but the truth is that the entire NFL is dirty. Thank God Belichick is willing to push the buttons to win.

  56. spitfisher says: Jun 21, 2013 9:08 PM

    Not only that, thebigtime2012, these bellyachers would love to have BB coach their team.

    The winning record and deep into the playoffs, often with a patch work defense, and multi faceted talent at different positions- year after year, after year.

  57. flipola says: Jun 21, 2013 10:03 PM

    No, the tuck rule changed the Patriot way. Spygate changed the Patriot way.

  58. thestrategyexpert says: Jun 21, 2013 10:05 PM

    thebigtim2012:

    Some of those were facts. But my comments aren’t about his lack of accomplishments, they were about the perceptions of his quality and contribution towards those accomplishments and to say that they were good accomplishments is irrelevant as this is an issue with regards to a proportional relationship whereas your facts only contribute to a measure of one of the baselines for identification purposes only and not conclusive conjecture. Duh.

    And I don’t think you are qualified to say what I am or how good I am. I have identified lots of mistakes that BB has made that I never would have made, and I think that supports my position that I’m better than him. But I agree the Detroit coaches aren’t that impressive and I have issues with them as well as with BB. But nobody on Detroit is in contention for the most overrated coach, as that is BB’s legacy to me.

  59. patriotenvy says: Jun 21, 2013 10:53 PM

    “karma” that’s the funniest thing when people try to use that word. I bet 95% of the coaches in the NFL wish they had BB’s “Karam”.

    Karma cares about BB’s actions in Football, but so many really good people suffer, and Karma looks the other way? I guess Karma works in mysterious ways too! LOL.

  60. rajbais says: Jun 21, 2013 11:05 PM

    No!!

    Three SB wins caused them to think that they didn’t need Ty Law or viable replacements at DBs.

    Ty Law in his first season after leaving New England had 10 picks as a Jet.

    What changed the Patriot Way was Peyton Manning’s AFC Title win for SB 41 and Reche Caldwell’s drop in that same game.

    Even Tom Curran would agree with me.

  61. fingergravy says: Jun 21, 2013 11:11 PM

    Everyone’s acting as if Gronkowski’s dying.

    He’ll play for the Patriots again at some point, and there’s no reason why he won’t be back at his best

    ————————————————————-

    Other than the fact that he has had multiple back surgeries and broke his forearm twice last year

  62. mpops86 says: Jun 22, 2013 12:11 AM

    Wait, you mean as their picks got lower they took riskier players?! What a stupid piece, I can’t believe I wasted time on this.

    The same year they signed Moss, they signed Wes Welker. They rehabbed Mike Vrabel’s career. Ryan Mallett has been a model citizen. Brandon Spikes has been “mischief” off the field and a soldier on it.

    Get over yourselves.

  63. CKL says: Jun 22, 2013 1:54 AM

    Regardless, Belichick has opted to take risks because he’s far more focused on cementing a legacy than keeping his job.
    ___________________________________
    Why is this is presented as a fact instead of an opinion? This statement is based on what, may I ask? Direct knowledge through a close friend of BB’s? A conversation with BB?

    I’m not a huge fan of some of the guys they’ve brought in lately for sure. One thing that actually does make a difference is when you bring in some iffy guys you should have a core of strong vet leadership to keep those guys in line. This is why Dillon worked, Moss worked for a couple years etc. Once guys like Bruschi, Vrabel, Harrison, McGinest, etc were gone (all were gone after 08), they should have stopped having SO MANY character flawed guys on the team. If the 09 team didn’t clue them in on that maybe now they will realize it. The Pats still don’t have that strong vet leadership core to handle several of this type player. On offense veteran leadership wise, they have just TB and one guy isn’t enough. On defense, they have just Wilfork and Mayo who is not an in your face type guy (like Rodney, et al). This is one reason I loved the addition of Adrian Wilson. And wait, he may even be big and athletic enough to play TE…hmmm…

  64. jolink653 says: Jun 22, 2013 8:54 AM

    Outside of Haynesworth, every one of those “risky players” stayed in line and has contributed to the winning records the Patriots have had; Ochocinco was never a problem: he tried hard but just couldn’t grasp the playbook…You conveniently left out Corey Dillon, who was a total gamble based on his character and who became one of the best backs in Patriots history; Randy Moss set the touchdown record, was a major reason why they got to 16-0, and never caused a problem until the Patriots started phasing him out of the offense

    Except for Hernandez right now and Dennard (in college), how many of those players you mentioned have had legal problems since they’ve been with the Patriots? None of them…Getting really sick of seeing all these articles about how the Patriots don’t value character and how this Hernandez situation somehow reflects on the team

  65. t8ertot says: Jun 22, 2013 9:12 AM

    Since its the patriots, the media darlings, this is all acceptable. If the Bengals had done these things, they would be scrutinized

  66. jimjets says: Jun 22, 2013 10:29 AM

    What this really says is that just about everyone of us who love this sport as much as we do would COMPLETELY sell our souls to win.

    because I guess we would all look the other way if he was our head coach and won when:

    1) he was a joke as HC of the CB
    2) walked out on the guy who gave him his chance in Bill Parcells
    3) cheated on his wife
    4) wouldn’t shake Tony Dungy, a gentleman’s, hand after he lost to him
    5) treats the media as lowlifes and idiots always
    6) literally pouts like a baby after every loss
    7) got caught cheating 8) cut a guy because he had diabetes
    9) won all of those sb’s with players parcells left him with EXCEPT brady, who pioli gave him

    did I miss anything?

    yea, sure, he’s a ” genius” as much as you can call a guy who works in gym shorts a genius, and he’s won. but at what cost?

    our regard for this undeniable lowlife says more about us than it does about him.

  67. bartlettruss says: Jun 22, 2013 11:09 AM

    The Patriots have made increasingly bad choices. Their great quarterback is now having to drag a poor defense to victory. They treated Welker like a dog until he finally walked. And now they’re bringing in Danny Amendola to join Gronkowski on the All-Brittle team. I won’t go so far as to say that other teams knew Hernandez was a risk for murder, but they knew he had major character issues and stayed away from him.

    If Belichick was the genius he’s portrayed as he would have won in Cleveland. He didn’t. He’s only won with Brady and when Brady’s gone we’ll see the Cleveland Belichick again.

  68. bartlettruss says: Jun 22, 2013 11:15 AM

    BTW… This looks a lot like Rob Duca’s article from a day or two ago… Might want to give the man a shout out.

  69. flash1283 says: Jun 22, 2013 11:30 AM

    If Belichick was the genius he’s portrayed as he would have won in Cleveland. He didn’t. He’s only won with Brady and when Brady’s gone we’ll see the Cleveland Belichick again.
    —–
    Uh yeah , he DID win in Cleveland!!!
    Who was the coach of the Browns the last time they had a winning season? Oh yeah it was BB. Who was the coach in Cleveland the last time they won a playoff game? Oh yeah it was BB.

    the problem is that every time some jobber comes on here and try’s the “look at Cleveland ” crap they leave out all the other stuff that was going on with that franchise at the time. And the final season they were on there way to a good season again then they lost there starting QB after starting 3-0.

  70. flash1283 says: Jun 22, 2013 11:42 AM

    jimjets says:
    Jun 22, 2013 10:29 AM
    What this really says is that just about everyone of us who love this sport as much as we do would COMPLETELY sell our souls to win.

    because I guess we would all look the other way if he was our head coach and won when:

    1) he was a joke as HC of the CB
    2) walked out on the guy who gave him his chance in Bill Parcells
    3) cheated on his wife
    4) wouldn’t shake Tony Dungy, a gentleman’s, hand after he lost to him
    5) treats the media as lowlifes and idiots always
    6) literally pouts like a baby after every loss
    7) got caught cheating cut a guy because he had diabetes
    9) won all of those sb’s with players parcells left him with EXCEPT brady, who pioli gave him

    did I miss anything?

    yea, sure, he’s a ” genius” as much as you can call a guy who works in gym shorts a genius, and he’s won. but at what cost?

    our regard for this undeniable lowlife says more about us than it does about him.
    —-

    Lets go 1 by 1
    Uh yeah , he DID win in Cleveland!!!
    Who was the coach of the Browns the last time they had a winning season? Oh yeah it was BB. Who was the coach in Cleveland the last time they won a playoff game? Oh yeah it was BB

    I just took that from the other jobber.

    Didn’t walk out on BP he walked out in the sorry ass jets.
    Not sure what his personal life has to do with him as a coach and since you don’t know what was going on with them personally you look stupid for even bringing it up

    Tony Dungy said he did come see him and congratulate him in the tunnel.

    This is alway my favorite. WHO THE HELL CARES HOW HE TREATS THE MEDIA!!!!!
    If you are not a patriots fan why are you watching BB press conferences????

    Filming is still allowed today.

    Didn’t win “all those SB with guys BP left him”
    He brought in plenty of his own guys.

    And pioli wasn’t the GM when they drafted Brady.
    And it was BB decision to keep BB on the roster as the 4th QB
    Who keeps 4 qb’s?

    So yes you missed a lot.

    Just another bitter ass jealous fan.

  71. jimjets says: Jun 22, 2013 11:57 AM

    hey flash,

    look, be proud of your team. they won 3 times and you should be proud. my team won once, the year I was born, so yes, I’d trade places anyday.

    just please, please don’t tell me your proud of this guy and the way he behaves. you’re not, and that’s ok. I’m not proud of Rex either.

    and btw, pioli was in charge when they picked brady, and you know as well as I do, not one person, no one, ever called BB a “genius” before brady came along.

  72. flash1283 says: Jun 22, 2013 12:36 PM

    and btw, pioli was in charge when they picked brady, and you know as well as I do, not one person, no one, ever called BB a “genius” before brady came along.
    ——

    No pioli was the assistant of player personal, the main person was Bobby Greir ,

    From “the Brady 6″

    Graham writes: “Bobby Grier hasn’t been embraced by New England Patriots fans. Bill Parcells left the Patriots in large part because owner Robert Kraft sided with Grier, the vice president of player personnel, on the selection of Ohio State receiver Terry Glenn in 1996. The rift led to Parcells’ infamous “buy the groceries” comment. Bill Belichick fired Grier in May 2000 to install his vision of the front office. Two weeks before Belichick dumped him, however, Grier played a role in helping the Patriots draft their greatest player.”

  73. CKL says: Jun 22, 2013 12:40 PM

    JimJets,

    Pioli was never “in charge” in the way you mean where he just picked whomever he wanted. It was always a collaberation between him and BB. And actually neither guy had as much to do with actually selecting TB. That honor goes to the late Dick Rehbein who was their QB coach at the time and who was all gung ho on him. BB let him make that pick.

    BB is not a genius regardless. I love what his dad used to say when he heard people calling BB a genius (paraphrase): Geniuses are not walking around on football fields coaching football. I miss Steve B.

  74. jimjets says: Jun 22, 2013 4:11 PM

    Thanks guys and I stand corrected about Pioli. My point was BB did not pick Brady, he’s not a genius and that most guys could win with him as their QB.

    Rex won a playoff game up there with Sanchez for chrissakes.

    And not to beat this thing to death, but can we at least agree here that we as fans can be proud of our teams accomplishments and not be proud of the guy who runs the team? Do we need that or something? For heavens sake, BB is a bad guy, once is a maybe, twice a coincidence, but with this guy there’s enough evidence.

  75. CKL says: Jun 23, 2013 2:06 PM

    You probably won’t find too many Pats fans who defend RR like I do. Yes he says some crazy stuff sometimes and I don’t like it, but I do believe he and BB have a lot of respect for each other. And I think RR can be a good HC.

    As for BB, he can be hard to like sometimes, agreed. And he pushed the envelope too far by ignoring Goodell’s memo in 07 and deserved some repercussions, no doubt. But that’s what you get when you have a risk taker head coach like him, RR (on defense), Payton, etc. You have to take the good with the bad.

    I used to have this idealized view of athletes, etc that got destroyed when I was in high school when my favorite defensive player Lawrence Taylor kept messing up with drugs. That’s when I realized that greatness and choir boy morals don’t go hand in hand a lot of the time. I still get disappointed when people who I thought were good turn out to be bad, but I don’t indict their career accomplishments due to it. I’m proud that BB coaches my team because he’s a great coach. Has he done stuff I don’t care for personally? Sure, but I can respect someone’s skill without having to love everything about them.

  76. ottomanismydog says: Jul 11, 2013 10:10 AM

    No longer being able to cheat changed the, “patriot way”

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