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Vikes put Sharrif Floyd behind Kevin Williams instead of next to him

Sharrif Floyd, Kevin Williams AP

Over a short period of time in April, the Vikings restructured defensive tackle Kevin Williams‘ contract in a way that will make him a free agent after the 2013 season and then drafted defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd with one of their three first-round picks.

It wasn’t hard to connect the dots in a way that led to Floyd replacing Williams as the starter in Minnesota come 2014. It’s even easier now that coach Leslie Frazier has outlined the team’s plans for Floyd during his rookie season.

The team will have Floyd serve as Williams backup this season instead of trying him at the nose tackle spot next to Williams on the defensive line. They have Letroy Guion and Fred Evans at that spot and Frazier said things will stay that way unless Guion and Evans show that they can’t handle the job.

“I don’t foresee such a dropoff with Letroy or Fred for that to happen,” Frazier said, via Ben Goessling of the Pioneer Press. “That would be optimal if [Floyd's] able to get in the rotation, have success, and we can gradually add more to his plate as the season goes on.”

Williams is one of four impending free agents up front for the Vikes, including defensive end Jared Allen, so it makes sense that they’d be trying to think about starting options for 2014. If Floyd proves up to the task, it’s a plan that can bear fruit for the Vikings now and in the future.

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78 Responses to “Vikes put Sharrif Floyd behind Kevin Williams instead of next to him”
  1. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 21, 2013 10:30 AM

    Well that’s odd. Everyone in purple land was saying that it was between Peterson or Ffloyd for MVP. How is he going to compete for dpoy if he’s not a starter?

    Perhaps…and I’m just throwing this out there… You guys have zero clue about football?

  2. cardsfann1 says: Jun 21, 2013 10:33 AM

    Keeping Floyd off the field is a mistake if you are trying to win games… I thought that was the point of playing. Don’t like that move at all by the Vikes.

  3. ejmat2 says: Jun 21, 2013 10:37 AM

    tokyosandblaster says:
    Jun 21, 2013 10:30 AM
    Well that’s odd. Everyone in purple land was saying that it was between Peterson or Ffloyd for MVP. How is he going to compete for dpoy if he’s not a starter?

    Perhaps…and I’m just throwing this out there… You guys have zero clue about football?
    ————————————–
    Perhaps you can elaborate on who claimed Floyd would be MVP let alone DPOY? As a matter of fact, wasn’t it the guy your team realeased that you were all saying would be DPOY? Remember Bishop????

    Just throwing this out there…You have zero clue about football or just like to make crap up?

  4. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 21, 2013 10:42 AM

    cardsfann1 says:
    Jun 21, 2013 10:33 AM
    Keeping Floyd off the field is a mistake if you are trying to win games… I thought that was the point of playing. Don’t like that move at all by the Vikes.

    —-

    I don’t think winning has ever been their goal. I firmly believe they want to get the first pick in the draft every year. Offseason is much better to be crowned champions. It’s longer than the football season.

  5. vikes8480 says: Jun 21, 2013 10:42 AM

    tokyosandblaster:

    Now you know that Peterson or Floyd don’t have a shot at the MVP. You Packer fans have already given that to the two “stud” RB’s that you drafted this year.

    In all reality, the Packer fan base has zero clue about football.

  6. filthymcnasty1 says: Jun 21, 2013 10:43 AM

    Uh oh.

    Now we know why he dropped like a rock on draft day.

  7. allday28mvpmvp says: Jun 21, 2013 10:50 AM

    tokyosandblaster says: Jun 21, 2013 10:30 AM

    Well that’s odd. Everyone in purple land was saying that it was between Peterson or Ffloyd for MVP. How is he going to compete for dpoy if he’s not a starter?

    Perhaps…and I’m just throwing this out there… You guys have zero clue about football?

    ——–

    Nobody ever said it was between Peterson and Floyd for MVP…. Defensive players don’t win MVP. MVP is Adrian’s and Adrian’s alone. Cant wait to watch him go for 500+ yards against the sorry Packers D again! PACK D IS SOFT!

  8. ejmat2 says: Jun 21, 2013 10:52 AM

    cardsfann1 says:
    Jun 21, 2013 10:33 AM
    Keeping Floyd off the field is a mistake if you are trying to win games… I thought that was the point of playing. Don’t like that move at all by the Vikes.
    ————————————–
    Floyd has to beat out the players they already have prior to being a starter. Frazier clearly has him in the rotation at this point and if he shows he can beat out Guion and Evans during camp and pre-season games, then I would imagine he will be out there more often than not.

  9. allday28mvpmvp says: Jun 21, 2013 10:54 AM

    If the Packers had one player on their defense as good as K Williams or Floyd maybe they wouldn’t have let the Vikings and Niners just run ALL OVER them in their final 3 games last season. That terrible run D will be exploited all year. Mike McCarthy bout to get called out for having a phony team this year.

  10. rhodesclosed29 says: Jun 21, 2013 10:54 AM

    Sandblaster- I think I speak for everyone when I say SHUT THE HELL UP already.

    who said Floyd was going to be MVP? ive never seen or heard it anywhere. im assuming that this is your pathetic way of being a troll?? don’t quit ur day job.

    I don’t understand how evans/guion is ahead of Floyd, get him in the game and have him learn on the field, not a classroom.

    evans and guion are both scrubs who have zero impact

  11. ejmat2 says: Jun 21, 2013 10:55 AM

    ponderthedumpoffking says:
    Jun 21, 2013 10:42 AM
    I don’t think winning has ever been their goal. I firmly believe they want to get the first pick in the draft every year. Offseason is much better to be crowned champions. It’s longer than the football season.
    —————————————–
    Maybe you can elaborate on when the last time the Vikings actually had the first pick of the draft. Firmly believe what you want. You can also firmly bel;ieve that the Vikings have had more winning seasons than the Packers have since their existance which would unsubstantiate your claim.

  12. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 21, 2013 10:59 AM

    You know… It’s odd….

    Sports Illustrated did a poll and found that Packers fans are the most knowledgable about the NFL. 26% of those polled said GB. 2nd was Pittsburgh with a mere 14%.

    Minnesota’s football knowledge wasn’t shown, as they didn’t want to offend all 8 of your fans.

  13. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 21, 2013 11:02 AM

    This is what the Vikings have been saying since they drafted Floyd. He’s a 3-technique DT, not a nose tackle. The Vikings always rotate their defensive linemen to keep them fresh (and because they have a lot of good ones), so Floyd and Williams will probably play about the same number of snaps. It would be disrespectful to Williams to name Floyd a starter even before training camp and it would hamper Floyd’s development to have him play out of position his whole rookie year.

    Of course, I’m a Viking fan so I have zero clue about football. Maybe tokyo could tell us some more about how great Johnathan Franklin is going to be.

  14. vikingsimmortality says: Jun 21, 2013 11:02 AM

    Purple Floyd!

  15. packerbackernj says: Jun 21, 2013 11:02 AM

    @rhodesclosed29

    So what you’re saying by “evans and guion are both scrubs who have zero impact,” is that you think Leslie Frazier is clueless?

  16. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 21, 2013 11:05 AM

    People who think they speak for everyone rarely do. I speak for myself and a few others when I say “reap the whirlwind.”

    Payback, payback, and some payback for added flavor.

  17. ejmat2 says: Jun 21, 2013 11:08 AM

    tokyosandblaster says:
    Jun 21, 2013 10:59 AM
    You know… It’s odd….

    Sports Illustrated did a poll and found that Packers fans are the most knowledgable about the NFL. 26% of those polled said GB. 2nd was Pittsburgh with a mere 14%.

    Minnesota’s football knowledge wasn’t shown, as they didn’t want to offend all 8 of your fans.
    —————————————-
    Yet you as a Packer fan continues to make ridiculous and clueless statements that simply make no sense. Way to represent!

  18. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 21, 2013 11:10 AM

    Ejmat, I said that’s their goal. I never said they achieved it.

    The Vikings are so terrible they can’t achieve any of their goals

    (I’d like to thank you for walking right into that one)

  19. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 21, 2013 11:13 AM

    tokyosandblaster says:Jun 21, 2013 10:59 AM

    You know… It’s odd….

    Sports Illustrated did a poll and found that Packers fans are the most knowledgable about the NFL. 26% of those polled said GB. 2nd was Pittsburgh with a mere 14%.
    _______

    Congratulations. Your fanbase is #1 at responding to polls. This is so pathetic I almost feel sorry for you.

  20. whatjusthapped says: Jun 21, 2013 11:17 AM

    I hope this is true. If they are two of your best front 7, playing them at the same time would make too much sense. Better to split them up and reduce the overall effectiveness of the defense.

    In reality, what difference does it really make? The Viking’s defensive backfield is like your morning toast, it gets burnt all the time. The offensive consists of handing it off to Peterson.

  21. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 21, 2013 11:19 AM

    Well, Rick, I’ll go ahead and reiterate what packers fans have been saying since the draft.

    The Packers running game has been anemic for the last few years, and the addition of two running backs (who many pundits said were the best two in the draft) has us excited that the running game may improve. Even with a slight improvement, the offense will be even tougher for even good defenses to stop.

    We don’t include the Vikings in that category, btw. 16th out of 32 is average.

  22. elliottcovert says: Jun 21, 2013 11:26 AM

    Packer fans are such trolls because you know that the Vikigns are a threat in the NFC. We’re on the rise, your team is on the decline. Once Ponder straightens things out, we’re built to beat you. Everyone knows that the Vikings are superior to the Packers — that’s why Darren Sharper, Ryan Longwell, Brett Favre, and now Greg Jennings have all come over to the good guys side.

  23. bleedinpurple says: Jun 21, 2013 11:27 AM

    Imagine if the Vikings fans trolled like the Packer
    forums like the Cheesehead do to us.

    Luckily, we are classier than that.

  24. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 21, 2013 11:28 AM

    tokyosandblaster says:Jun 21, 2013 11:19 AM

    Well, Rick, I’ll go ahead and reiterate what packers fans have been saying since the draft.

    The Packers running game has been anemic for the last few years, and the addition of two running backs (who many pundits said were the best two in the draft) has us excited that the running game may improve. Even with a slight improvement, the offense will be even tougher for even good defenses to stop.

    We don’t include the Vikings in that category, btw. 16th out of 32 is average.
    ______

    Wow, a lot of pundits were wrong then, because Franklin was a fourth-round pick. Why don’t you pay attention to the pundits (not many, but most) who had Floyd as a top-5 pick?

    By the way, 16th out of 32 is the median, not the average. I’d think you would know that with all of your many years of schooling and your world travels.

    Also, the Vikings won’t be playing with last year’s defense. They’re going to use this year’s defense.

  25. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 21, 2013 11:30 AM

    It was a poll of NFL players.

    Oopsie!

  26. brooxlyn says: Jun 21, 2013 11:34 AM

    1st round D-Line pick should be starting. Otherwise, you should wait until next year to draft a D-lineman

  27. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 21, 2013 11:48 AM

    Cute.

    So now it’s where people are drafted that measures their eventual success?

    That makes sense. Tony Mandarich was the best player in his draft, and Tom Brady was one of the worst in his.

    This explains why you losers like the offseason so much.

    By the way, “average” can be used in several ways, typically meaning the center of a group of numbers. It can be applied to mode or median, and it can even mean–forgive the paraphrasing–nothing special.

    So if you’ll be using that average defense, minus the best tackling defensive back, with your 1st draft pick splitting reps alongside a obviously declining Jared Allen, how do you propose they’ll improve?

    I certainly don’t see it. Is Chad Greenway going to play every position?

  28. ejmat2 says: Jun 21, 2013 11:57 AM

    ponderthedumpoffking says:
    Jun 21, 2013 11:10 AM
    Ejmat, I said that’s their goal. I never said they achieved it.

    The Vikings are so terrible they can’t achieve any of their goals

    (I’d like to thank you for walking right into that one)
    ——————————–
    You can thank me all you want. But if you think that is their goal, then why don’t you find a link that any Viking player or staff memeber ever saying it was their goal. Please find just one. As a matter of fact, their goals are always quite the opposite.

    My point is if that were their goal, why would they have more winning seasons than not? To me, it’s pretty easy to lose if you really want to.

    So, if I walked into one, how about you?

  29. packerbackernj says: Jun 21, 2013 12:02 PM

    @elliottcovert

    “Everyone knows that the Vikings are superior to the Packers — that’s why Darren Sharper, Ryan Longwell, Brett Favre, and now Greg Jennings have all come over to the good guys side.”

    Let’s step out of the world of delusion, and into reality. Reality is since Aaron Rodgers was drafted in 2005, not even starting, the “rivalry” is 11 Wins – 6 loses in favor of the Packers. Since he’s been starting, 2008, it’s 7-4 Packers.

    “Once Ponder straightens things out, we’re built to beat you. ”

    Ponder is a reach, and you’ll be drafting a QB in 2 years. You have Sanchez north, except he has 2 more years of AP carrying the team to 8 win seasons. You keep waiting for that day, because it’s not coming. 2 best friends of a QB is a strong run game and a good TE, the vikings have had both Ponder’s entire career, and he’s still incompetent.

  30. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 21, 2013 12:06 PM

    I don’t know, ejmat, why don’t you just say “kiss the rings”?

    I’ll be waiting.

  31. seals1 says: Jun 21, 2013 12:08 PM

    How would these GB fans get out of bed in the morning without the Vikings to keep them floating?

    Who thought this guy was going to be Nose tackle? Who thought he would take Kevin’s place? The only reason Frazier is discussing this is because it was never in question. He will spell Kevin to keep “big ticket” going all year.

    The reason for the excitement for Floyd is all about 2014. Depth on depth is the new Viking way.

    I use to respect Green Bay until I started reading the comments the clowns that support them put out.

  32. mattyjimmy says: Jun 21, 2013 12:11 PM

    The Vikings play a 4-3 with an under shift. That means the d-line is shifted over toward the weak side. When that happens there are no longer two traditional defensive tackles. The’ve essentially been swapped out with what’s called an under tackle (UT) and a nose tackle (NT). The nose tackle’s job is pretty critical in this scheme but it essentially boils down to not moving and eating up two blockers. That’s what they are supposed to do especially on running downs. That’s why Pat Williams was so good at being a nose tackle. Floyd’s size and quickness leads me to believe he will be a better fit in the UT spot. His talents would essentially be wasted in the NT spot except for obvious passing downs. That’s why he is backing up Kevin Williams. He isn’t a nose tackle.

  33. vikes8480 says: Jun 21, 2013 12:27 PM

    Tokyosandblaster,

    obviously the Packers thought Mandarich was the best player in that draft. Even better than Barry Sanders… ouch!

  34. filthymcnasty1 says: Jun 21, 2013 12:27 PM

    The Vikings are spending a lot of extra time with him working on that classic MN football fundamental of rolling over and playing dead. Unfortunately for this hapless, tasteless player, he will soon be indoctrinated into the Viking methodology for losing twice per season to the Packers, like they have in each of the last 3 years.

  35. GenXJay says: Jun 21, 2013 12:39 PM

    So if the reality stars of cheese bay think that their team develop & build their players, how does this article not make sense to them?
    The hypocritical rhetoric from gb trolls is, again, just fear from the inevitable 2013 defeat of the Vikings. (times two)

  36. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 21, 2013 12:41 PM

    Exactly my point. Draft position isn’t indicative of future success.

    Want to talk about passing up an opportunity?

    How are Troy Williamson and Erasmus James working out for you?

  37. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 21, 2013 12:46 PM

    seals1 says:
    Jun 21, 2013 12:08 PM

    I use to respect Green Bay until I started reading the comments the clowns that support them put out.

    —-

    That’s ok. I’ve never respected the Vikings or their fans.

  38. elliottcovert says: Jun 21, 2013 12:51 PM

    @Packerbackernj

    It does seem like a pretty strange coincidence that Green Bay players keep heading west and donning purple. Maybe it’s because Aaron Rodgers is supposed to be a bad teammate. Maybe it’s because Packer fans are as obnoxious as they are overweight. Maybe it’s because you float around insane conspiracy theories (I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard your ilk suggest that the Pack purposely lost to the Vikings in the final game of last season). Maybe it’s because your defense can’t stop a nose bleed. Whatever the case may be, the evidence says that the Vikings are the preferred destination of real world football players.

    Rip Ponder all you want. He put up better numbers last season than Eli Manning had in his first four seasons. He didn’t have the advantage of riding the pine behind one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time for three seasons before he sniffed the field. And he still lead his team to the playoffs, despite everyone in the country throwing him under the bus. He’ll have AP for at least another three to four years (if you doubt his superhuman healing skills at this point, you’re the one living in a delusion) and with a decent recieving corps for the first time, he’ll see a marked improvement.

    Of course facts really aren’t the forte of Packer fans, so I guess this is falling on deaf ears.

    And oh yeah, Mark Chmura.

  39. purpleguy says: Jun 21, 2013 12:52 PM

    Good post mattyjimmy (about the only one worth reading) — Floyd’s best position is the one Williams plays, and playing him at the other DT spot out of position doesn’t make sense, particularly during his rookie year as he’s learning the system. Also, thank you for not typing “oopsie” — I thought a post from my grandma’s Better Homes & Gardens blog was misprinted in one of the posts above yours.

  40. theytukrjobs says: Jun 21, 2013 1:01 PM

    Floyd is a 3 technique tackle and it doesn’t make any sense to have a rookie play out of position for his first season.

    Vikes do rotate quite a bit so Floyd could get a lot of snaps. The Vikes are also likey to be holding very large leads on most opponents as they dominate the upcoming NFL season, so he could get considerable mop up duties.

    Another scenario is that they actually move Kevin Williams into the nose tackle position at times. One final option is that the Vikings could play the much maligned wide-9 formation on downs like 3rd and long. The wide 9 would have both Floyd and Williams playing 3 technique, with the center uncovered, and both DE’s out wide. This is a pure pass rushing formation but they could use it.

  41. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 21, 2013 1:04 PM

    Hmm.

    Fact: Packers had a better defense than Minny last year.

    Fact: Minnesota and Wisconsin are at roughly the same obesity percentage.

    Fact: All the players that headed west weren’t worth the money they wanted from GB, because no one else gave them the money they originally asked for.

    Fact: The Packers offense is superior to the Vikings.

    Do you want me to go on?

    Facts are the nemesis of Vikings fans. The only thing you really have every year is hope during the offseason. Facts, unfortunately, elude you.

  42. 52lightsxout52 says: Jun 21, 2013 1:05 PM

    This just proves my contention that Floyd was drafted in anticipation of this being Kevin Williams’ last year in Minny. whether he is starting or not really doesn’t matter, as he’ll be playing in a rotation. If he proves to be a better player than those other scrubs on their roster than he’ll be given more snaps. It’s as simple as that…

  43. b3nz0z says: Jun 21, 2013 1:07 PM

    even big strong rookies need time to bulk up and hone techniques against some of the biggest strongest men in the world. he’ll see some snaps but making him play NT as a rookie when he’s experienced and built as a one gap guy wouldn’t be great for his development.

  44. lnfinite says: Jun 21, 2013 1:21 PM

    Certainly glad to be a Viking fan. It would be embarrassing to be associated as a Packer fan with so many juvenile type of remarks under this thread.

    Mods please clean up the garbage because there is hardly any discussion going on in here.

    Case in point. Moss during his rookie season did not start at first so why expect Floyd to???

  45. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 21, 2013 1:27 PM

    HAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Cute.

    Hypocritical, especially coming from you.

  46. fwippel says: Jun 21, 2013 1:27 PM

    What’s the big deal? If Floyd outplays Kevin Williams during the preseason, Floyd will be the starter come September.

    We’re not even at training camp yet, and people are calling this a bad move? Calm down, everyone. Leslie Frazier isn’t stupid, and he would like a long-term contract extension. He isn’t going to jeopardize that by keeping his best players on the bench.

    For once the Vikings have a head coach who isn’t an egomaniac (Childress, Green) or in over his head (Tice, Burns). Frazier did a fantastic job getting the most out of this team’s talent last year. Give the guy some credit for being a good (and smart) coach.

  47. packerbackernj says: Jun 21, 2013 1:30 PM

    @elliottcovert

    A strange coincidence? Jennings had 2 suitors Miami and Minn, Miami, whose head coach was Jennings offensive coor CHOSE Mike Wallace over Jennings. That’s a fact. When Favre was ousted out of Green Bay, the whole world knew he wanted to go to Minn because of the coaches, familiarity with the system, and a bit of revenge. Even the packers front office knew, that’s why there was a claus in his contract with the Jets to prevent them from trading with an NFC North team because they knew the Vikings were desperate. Longwell was a kicker, really don’t care about him. You speak of conspiracy theories, and you create one! Irony! It’s humorous i’m actually in the gym right now, and you call packer fans fat. The unintentional irony was funny enough to make me laugh, but morbid obesity is a national epidemic, and now classified as a disease, this is also what we call a fact. There are many fat fans for every team. To say the last game was thrown is lunacy, i was personally rooting for AP to break the record. “The Vikings are the preferred destination.” Like i said already, Jennings wasn’t getting that money anywhere else.
    Yes you are right Ponder didn’t get to sit behind Favre, but as you pointed out about rumors of Rodgers character you left out the fact that Rodgers and Favre didn’t get along at all, so how much do you think he learned from Favre. Go watch some college tape of Rodgers and Pro tape, you’ll see a big mechanical difference, that came from hard work and Tom Clements great coaching. I don’t remember Eli ever having a RB as good as AP to carry him. Tiki was good, not anywhere near that good. If you want to compare ponder, compare him to his recent peers. He’s in the bottom tier along with Gabbert and Locker. You run your mouth about facts, you give me none. You cry about “conspiracy theories,” and give me one. And I don’t care about his healing abilities, these players aren’t a game or a cartoon. The facts are Adrian is an amazing bruising RB. All that punishment takes a toll on the human body. Eventually the wheels fall off. Oh, and Mark Chamura is one player. Your whole team was on the imfamous party boat my friend. Good day.

  48. ejmat2 says: Jun 21, 2013 1:36 PM

    ponderthedumpoffking says:
    Jun 21, 2013 12:06 PM
    I don’t know, ejmat, why don’t you just say “kiss the rings”?

    I’ll be waiting.
    ———————————-
    Good one. One response that is the only way to come back with because you know I am right with everything I said. So, as Packer fans usually so, you resort to the only thing you have. A non-original post talking about how the VIkings never won a superbowl. Real original.

    I’ll be waiting for something original fom you or maybe even a good football debate where your last resort isn’t trowing in a superbowl comment.

  49. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 21, 2013 1:37 PM

    Snap.

  50. vikes1980 says: Jun 21, 2013 1:37 PM

    the Vikings will be much improved at every position this year especially DB and DT…this is the smart way to bring a rookie into the fold as your future on the line.. FudgePacker fans only see the improvement and are getting jealous that we are getting younger while they are aging and TT let’s key pieces walk away so he can be cheap like he’s always been…

  51. ruvelligwebuike says: Jun 21, 2013 1:38 PM

    Gentlemen, let’s all settle down now…

    It’s not that big of a deal. We all know that if the Vikings start the season 2-4, their entire fanbase will disappear anyway and it will be on to the Wild for a couple of weeks.

    Then it’s usually “arts and culture” time. That’s the longest season in Minnesota. It’s when all of their sports teams fail (like they have every year since the beginning of time) so they talk about how sports don’t matter to them because they have so many other things, like Guthrie Theatre and sculpture garden they’ve never been to somewhere in South Minneapolis.

    Unlike those uncultured hicks from the other 49 states and Canada.

  52. packerbackernj says: Jun 21, 2013 1:43 PM

    I forgot one other point. You say my defense can’t stop anyone…but some how we gave up less points then the vikings. Stop watching ESPN and NFL Network and use your brain. Total yards don’t win games, total points does. I am perfectly fine with Adrian Peterson rushing for 300 yards on my defense as long as they don’t let him in the end zone. Yes i know he did get in the end zone a few times, it’s just a hypothetical example.

  53. ejmat2 says: Jun 21, 2013 1:46 PM

    @ Packerbacker
    As a Viking fan I will say that your post is pretty good. At least you discuss facts and although there is some smack talk it’s all pretty much true.

    Sorry Elliott but I give credit where it’s due and Ponder just hasn’t impressed thus far.

  54. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 21, 2013 1:50 PM

    Ejmat,

    Whenever, wherever.

    You guys always have the same argument, and then get mad because we have the ultimate argument winner.

    You all say the Packers are on the decline. Interesting, they’ve won the Super Bowl and/or made the playoffs three years in a row. That’s pretty consistent. There is a drop off somewhere?

    The packers got rid of their weakest defensive starter, let another player who lost a step go, and upgraded their running game and defense (how much is yet to be determined).

    Your main problem is that you don’t mind Vikings fans trolling Packers articles, but it bothers you that we would have the audacity to return the favor.

    Rick often talks as though we think we are better than you. That’s not the case. You guys try to act superior but you have no ground to stand on.

  55. hrmlss says: Jun 21, 2013 1:52 PM

    2014 Jared Allen opposite side from Clay Matthews. Ponder will wet himself.

  56. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 21, 2013 1:52 PM

    Vikings19whatever,

    The Packers average age right now is 26.

    The Vikes average age is 27.

    The three best defenders you have are on the wrong side of 30.

    You were saying?

  57. taintedsaints2009 says: Jun 21, 2013 1:54 PM

    Kevin Williams is going to get more rest this year. That’s why Floyd will back him up. Floyd will see plenty of action

  58. elliottcovert says: Jun 21, 2013 1:54 PM

    Hmm, I don’t recall that boat party involving any 17 year olds. BTW, you should really focus on lifting while your at the gym instead of texting. And BTW, the Cheesecake Factory is not considered a gym by anyone but Packer fans.

  59. elliottcovert says: Jun 21, 2013 1:57 PM

    @ejmat2

    Give Ponder time. I agree that he has been inconsistent but it took Eli Manning five seasons to post a passer rating as good as the one Ponder had last year. If he’s still struggling at the end of this season, then I would agree, but he’s only started what like 20 games?

  60. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 21, 2013 2:08 PM

    Elliot just proved my point.

    Obesity percentages are the same in our states, but somehow he just thinks he alone is skinny.

    Probably upset because his wife is 400 lbs.

    Nothing to do with football, right?

    And at least you know your team.

    16 + 10 games is 26.

    How many of those were 12th pick worthy?

  61. packerbackernj says: Jun 21, 2013 2:19 PM

    @elliottcovert

    I agree with time Ponder can turn it around, unfortunately in football these days time is a rapidly depreciation commodity. Eli Manning for one, was a consensus #1 overall pick, number two Eli had the pedigree of his father and brother, number 3 Tom Coughlin was an experienced and known winning coach. Eli was given a longer leash then any QB drafted in the last 8 years or so. QBs now get thrown in the fire, swim or float, that’s it. You sink, in 3 years we fire the head coach and the new head coach wants a new QB. Living in NJ, i know all about Eli manning, and have debated countless times with Giants fans about Eli. This is Ponders make or break year. Harvin was like Randall Cobb, you give him the ball before the line, he makes a play. You’re not getting that anymore. It’s all on Ponders arm now.

  62. packerbackernj says: Jun 21, 2013 2:20 PM

    Thrown in the water lol

  63. ad296 says: Jun 21, 2013 2:30 PM

    Heres one thing we can all agree on:

    If you post on every article about another team you are a LOSER.

    FACT

  64. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 21, 2013 2:45 PM

    Oh good. I’m not a loser then.

  65. dochighness says: Jun 21, 2013 2:48 PM

    Guys, settle down. Camp hasn’t even started yet. Floyd’s status will be determined by how he looks during camp and pre-season. If you remember last year Harrison Smith wasn’t penciled in as a starter either. He won the job during the preseason. If Floyd produces, he will see significant playing time, believe me. Same goes for Rhodes.

  66. mediasloppy says: Jun 21, 2013 3:48 PM

    He’s backing up a spot he’ll soon fill. The same thing the other two did. Unless taking the spot at nose tackle away from two vets to insert a rookie is better for the team??? For all we know he could be playing in Williams spot every third play or even filling a bigger role if Williams is out played and makes the better backup…

  67. deltaoracle says: Jun 21, 2013 3:55 PM

    Don’t remember anyone saying Floyd would be MVP, but there were Mini fans saying he was a sure Pro Bowler and Hall of Famer. So it seems a bit odd he’s not a starter at this point. But then Championships and Hall of Famers are only decided in June in Minnesota.
    And if Eli Manning had been given the luxury of defenses keying on the best running back in the game, I think his stats would have improved faster.

  68. stellarperformance says: Jun 21, 2013 3:59 PM

    Rick Spielman is a Magician says:
    Jun 21, 2013 11:13 AM
    Congratulations. Your fanbase is #1 at responding to polls.
    /////////////////////////////////////

    The fans had nothing to do with it. The poll was taken from active players. Active NFL Players. They are the ones that voted the Packer fans the most knowledgeable fanbase. (There was probably some Viking players voting too.)

  69. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 21, 2013 4:26 PM

    ponderthedumpoffking says:Jun 21, 2013 1:50 PM

    Rick often talks as though we think we are better than you. That’s not the case. You guys try to act superior but you have no ground to stand on.
    ______

    I know you don’t think you’re better than us. Packer fans have the biggest inferiority complex in history. Why else would you be spending so much time trying to convince yourself and others that your team is better than the Vikings, despite your continued declarations that the Vikings are irrelevant?

  70. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 21, 2013 4:29 PM

    stellarperformance says:Jun 21, 2013 3:59 PM

    Rick Spielman is a Magician says:
    Jun 21, 2013 11:13 AM
    Congratulations. Your fanbase is #1 at responding to polls.
    /////////////////////////////////////

    The fans had nothing to do with it. The poll was taken from active players. Active NFL Players. They are the ones that voted the Packer fans the most knowledgeable fanbase. (There was probably some Viking players voting too.)
    ______

    Just trying to figure out how NFL players know how knowledgeable fans are. Aren’t these the same guys who vote on the Pro Bowl, which you continually tell us is meaningless because the Packers have so few Pro Bowlers and the Vikings have so many? How do they know how knowledgeable the fans are if they don’t even know how good the guys they’re playing against are?

  71. GenXJay says: Jun 21, 2013 5:02 PM

    Reverse psychology.
    NFL active players would like to watch the fans on t.v. They voted for cheese bay fans in hopes to land a “Reality Show.”
    It’s going to be regrettably hilarious.

  72. 7ransponder says: Jun 21, 2013 5:12 PM

    I love the Pack fans here claiming us Vikes fans and the Vikings as an organization have no clue what they’re doing here. I think you need to look in the mirror, because if you understood the Vikings defensive scheme at all you’d know that in order to play next to K.Williams, you’d have to be a Nose Tackle, and Floyd is not a NT. This was the plan all along, he will play 3-tech and be rotated in and out depending on the situation.

    According to Pack fans, apparently the Vikings should be changing their whole defensive scheme for one rookie. Yeah, real high football IQ there guys.

  73. bobnelsonjr says: Jun 21, 2013 8:54 PM

    “The Vikings are so terrible they can’t achieve any of their goals.”

    A few years ago when PFT tracked turd points and had the Turd Bowl the vikings came in 2nd, so there.

    Now if the vikings are not willing to put their first round pick on the field that is fine with me.

    If their first round pick cannot learn more than one position, that’s fine with me.

    If he proves to be half as good as other first round viking picks Dimitrius Underwood, Chris Hovan, Kenechi Udeze, Erasmus James, Michael Bennett, and Troy Williamson, that is good enough.

  74. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 22, 2013 12:25 AM

    Hey Rick… How are probowlers chosen?

  75. coleman121280 says: Jun 22, 2013 1:42 AM

    The packers are a horrible franchise. What a waste of a great DT in RAJI. They should change their names from the packers, I think a good name would be the sconi’s, or the wishwestillhadbretts, although that is kind of long and would be tough to merchandise. I know you all agree with me so Thanks!! and have a great weekend.

  76. coleman121280 says: Jun 22, 2013 1:43 AM

    REAP THE WHIRL WIND GENTLEMAN!

    MVPETERSON!

  77. coleman121280 says: Jun 22, 2013 1:54 AM

    I SPEAK FOR EVERYONE…

    “REAP THE WHIRLWIND”

    TKO, I KNOW YOU KNOW I KNOW WE KNOW THAT YOU CAN’T STAND THE TURN OF A NEW ERA THAT IS THE PURPLE REIGN COMING OF DAWN AT THIS VERY MOMENT. YOUR READING THIS AND EVENTUAL RESPONSE IS INEVITABLE. SO TO YOU I SAY THIS.

    GO ON E-BAY AND GET ALL THE GAMES OF GLORY PAST…..

    BECAUSE IT’S ALL PURPLE FROM HERE ON OUT POUNDSANDER….OOOPSIE!

    I MEANT TOKYOSAND WHATEVER

  78. johnnytarr says: Jun 22, 2013 1:13 PM

    tokyosandblaster says:
    Jun 21, 2013 12:41 PM
    Exactly my point. Draft position isn’t indicative of future success.

    Want to talk about passing up an opportunity?

    How are Troy Williamson and Erasmus James working out for you?

    ____________________________________
    Any fan of a team that chooses Mandrich over Barry Sander should really keep there mouth shut tight about draft decisions. And after he was a bust there, the colts actually got some production out of him.
    Tokyo – SSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    The adults are conversing.

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