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Bishop deal worth up to $1.35 million

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Before 2013, the market for veteran inside linebackers wasn’t good.  With the market going flat for key positions like pass rusher, cornerback, and left tackle in 2013, it’s no surprise that less money is available for veteran inside linebackers — especially when a veteran inside linebacker hits the market in June.

And so it was for former Packers linebacker Desmond Bishop, who did a one-year deal in the hopes of getting back to the open market in 2014.  Per a source with knowledge of the situation, his contract with the Vikings pays up to $1.35 million.

“Up to” is the key.  The high end arises from playing time.  The low end likely will be the minimum salary for a seventh-year player:  $840,000.

Complicating matters for Bishop was a hamstring injury that wiped out his entire 2012 season.  He says he’s healthy, but teams typically want to see a guy prove it.

Other teams, we’re told, were offering only the one-year minimum, presumably under the minimum salary benefit that creates a cap number of $555,000.  Teams interested at that level included the Chiefs, Jaguars, Giants, and Ravens.

The biggest benefit from not using the minimum-salary benefit comes from the ability to extend the player’s contract before the start of free agency in the next league year.  Any veteran player who signs the one-year deal for the reduced cap charge can’t sign a new contract with his current team until it expires, necessarily putting him on the open market.

The Packers never offered Bishop a reduced deal, which means he had no choice but to become a free agent.  He now has every incentive to have the kind of season that not only pushes him to the high end of his current deal but also sets him up to make a splash in March 2014, or sooner if the Vikings decide to extend him.

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76 Responses to “Bishop deal worth up to $1.35 million”
  1. jhein23 says: Jun 25, 2013 7:53 AM

    I really like Desmond Bishop and hope he does well and stays healthy. But he was having hamstring issues in 2011 before this happened to him so I’m not sure if he’ll be available for an entire season. The last time we saw him he was playing middle linebacker on 32nd ranked defense, last year without him the Packers finished 11th.

  2. richkotitte says: Jun 25, 2013 8:05 AM

    “I was hoping Bishop would become a Cardinal” , said (Leonard) Pope.

    Priest Holmes had no comment.

  3. tokyosanbblaster says: Jun 25, 2013 8:07 AM

    Well, that’s just great for Bishop and the Vikings. But we’ve got AJ Hawk and a reasonable likelihood of a .500 season. Now – my cheese wedge kneepads.

  4. GenXJay says: Jun 25, 2013 8:12 AM

    Heck of a deal. Rival playbook knowledge & a good rotational player.

  5. youngs79 says: Jun 25, 2013 8:18 AM

    Hey ‘blaster, what?

  6. tokyosanbblaster says: Jun 25, 2013 8:20 AM

    richkotitte says:
    Jun 25, 2013 8:05 AM
    “I was hoping Bishop would become a Cardinal” , said (Leonard) Pope.

    Priest Holmes had no comment.
    ——–
    If only Deacon Jones was still with us.

  7. gtodriver says: Jun 25, 2013 8:23 AM

    I believe when the story of Bishop’s signing broke yesterday, a large contingent of the Packer faithful proclaimed that the Vikings must have overpaid him to get him to leave GB.

    So, league minimum (or slightly more), with some incentives based on performance was overpaying?

    Smart to have the incentives vs. just signing him to a league minimum contract so that they can extend him if he turns out to be a rock star!

  8. cmstrick says: Jun 25, 2013 8:28 AM

    If he can stay healthy, he’ll be the the best ILB they’ve had in years.

  9. dlw492 says: Jun 25, 2013 8:39 AM

    I would’ve stayed in Green Bay for 2.5M
    What’s the point of leaving- only to get a new residence and take less money?

  10. chi01town says: Jun 25, 2013 8:39 AM

    its a shame greenbay didnt even have 1. 35 million to keep Bishop.
    Rodgers took every dime on the table. somebody should tell greenbay that he cant win by his self.

  11. santoryu64 says: Jun 25, 2013 8:41 AM

    Bishop will regret not signing with KC. Missed the chance to revitalize his career and to win multiple championships with the impending Chiefs dynasty.

  12. skolvikings58 says: Jun 25, 2013 8:50 AM

    @tokyosanbblaster
    AJ Hawk? ya, have fun with that…

  13. gtodriver says: Jun 25, 2013 8:53 AM

    jhein23 says:

    The last time we saw him he was playing middle linebacker on 32nd ranked defense, last year without him the Packers finished 11th.
    __________________________________

    Without Bishop, the Pack would have ranked 50th in 2011…

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t the Packers first 5 draft picks in 2012 on the defensive side of the ball?

    In only 13 games, Bishop led the Packers in tackles. He actually had 45 more than the “Claymaker” had in 15 games…

    Bishop was a run stuffer for the Packers D – do you want to post the 2011 run defense stats compared to the 2012 stats?

    Please do…

  14. gbmickey says: Jun 25, 2013 8:55 AM

    The viking management is so enamored with the Packers they continually overpay like this one which is 2x more than others were willing to go. Much like the ridiculous price they paid for Jennings.

    So for 2 injury riddled ex Packers they will dole out over 10 million this season. Desperate much?

  15. kennyrogerschicken says: Jun 25, 2013 8:56 AM

    tokyosanbblaster says:
    Jun 25, 2013 8:07 AM
    Well, that’s just great for Bishop and the Vikings. But we’ve got AJ Hawk and a reasonable likelihood of a .500 season. Now – my cheese wedge kneepads.

    —————–

    A Vikings fan with cheese wedge knee pads? Envy is a curious thing.

  16. bobby2478 says: Jun 25, 2013 9:02 AM

    Hopefully his hamstring injury is behind him and he can stay healthy and be a great linebacker for the Vikes. If he proves it this year, than it would be wise for the Vikes to extend him before the end of the year, and use next year’s draft to continue to overhaul other spots of need on their roster.

    If they’re not going to sign Toby to an extension, they should showcase him in Preseason and trade him while they can still get something in return for him. AP’s still got at least 5 years left however, so it would be hard to draft his replacement. They may be better off picking up a veteran RB from the FA pool like McGahee or someone and use them as a backup until AP has only 2-3 years left, and use those 2-3 yrs to train his successor

  17. gbpicksix says: Jun 25, 2013 9:03 AM

    Am I the only one annoyed with all the comments about how much better the Packers defense was without Bishop last year as opposed to with him 2 years ago? As if the improvement came from Bishop being replaced by Brad Jones!?

    The Packers made some quality additions to their defense last year and were healthier in general. With Bishop healthy they would only have been better. I am sorry to see Bishop go because the guy is a baller. A no nonsense, hit em’ in the mouth, tackling machine.

    Don’t get me wrong he is no Navarro Bowman but, anybody who couldn’t see that Bishop was by far the Pack’s best MLB must not have been watching much Packer football.

    Also on a side note…

    AJ Hawk isn’t a horrible linebacker. He simply has never lived up to top 5 pick expections. If this guy had been drafted in the late 2nd round everybody would love the guy.

  18. gbmickey says: Jun 25, 2013 9:04 AM

    Viking management is so enamored with the Packers that they sign 2 injury riddled ex Packers to the tune of 10 million for the upcoming season. If this doesnt scream desperation I dont knowwhat does.

  19. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 25, 2013 9:07 AM

    A June 2013 study from the American Journal of Orthopedics looked at 10 confirmed cases of ruptured hamstrings in the NFL from 1990 to 2008.

    While nine of the 10 players in the study returned to play the next season, only five of the 10 played more than one game following the injury.

    In addition, two of the 10 players returned and had major injuries occur to the same leg. One suffered a torn Achilles tendon and another re-ruptured the same hamstring (the player was a linebacker). On this note, it is worth noting that Bishop has already been dealing with a strain in the same hamstring he injured in August.

  20. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 25, 2013 9:09 AM

    gbmickey says:Jun 25, 2013 8:55 AM

    The viking management is so enamored with the Packers they continually overpay like this one which is 2x more than others were willing to go. Much like the ridiculous price they paid for Jennings.

    So for 2 injury riddled ex Packers they will dole out over 10 million this season. Desperate much?
    _______

    I thought there would be absolutely no way anyone could ever consider an incentive-laden one-year deal worth between $840K and $1.35 million “overpaying,” but congratulations on proving me wrong. I figured the overpaying comments would come months later by people with faulty memories and green-and-gold colored glasses. This deal doesn’t hurt the Vikings’ salary cap so what’s the problem? If it doesn’t work out, they lost nothing. If it does, it’s a great deal. Low risk, high reward. I guess you Packer “owners” are always looking at your own bottom line.

  21. skolvikings58 says: Jun 25, 2013 9:11 AM

    @santoryu64
    The Chiefs do look to be a VERY good team next year. Way better than the packers.

    FACT

  22. emoney826 says: Jun 25, 2013 9:11 AM

    @chi01town,
    Rodgers alone beats your pathetic team year in and year out.

  23. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 25, 2013 9:12 AM

    gbmickey is so enamored with his terrible opinion that he had to say the same thing twice.

  24. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 25, 2013 9:12 AM

    skolvikings58 says:
    Jun 25, 2013 8:50 AM
    @tokyosanbblaster
    AJ Hawk? ya, have fun with that…

    ——

    SanDblaster is a Packers fan, SanBblaster is a Vikings bandwagon fan. You can enjoy the latter for what he is: someone who wasnt here until the Vikings made the playoffs last year.

  25. golynxgo says: Jun 25, 2013 9:14 AM

    Damn that is funny the Vikings couldn’t win the big one with really good packers Favre and Longwell when they were healthy
    Now they think they can with a loser head case that one week says Rodgers was better than the next week says Favre was Way to pander to whoever is listening jerk Your sister thought Rodgers was lousy what will she say about Ponder
    Bishop good luck
    Really Vikings? The Packers didn’t think these players were good enough got better and won a Superbowl Your management gets close to going to the Superbowl
    History repeats itself losers
    Hey the Lynx have more Championships right?

  26. golynxgo says: Jun 25, 2013 9:20 AM

    Rick Spielman is a Magician says:
    Jun 25, 2013 9:09 AM

    I thought there would be absolutely no way anyone could ever consider an incentive-laden one-year deal worth between $840K and $1.35 million “overpaying,” but congratulations on proving me wrong. I figured the overpaying comments would come months later by people with faulty memories and green-and-gold colored glasses. This deal doesn’t hurt the Vikings’ salary cap so what’s the problem? If it doesn’t work out, they lost nothing. If it does, it’s a great deal. Low risk, high reward. I guess you Packer “owners” are always looking at your own bottom line.

    No here is the Bottom line
    Packers 4 Superbowl Victories… Vikings ZERO

  27. gtodriver says: Jun 25, 2013 9:23 AM

    Rick Spielman is a Magician says:

    “gbmickey is so enamored with his terrible opinion that he had to say the same thing twice.”

    It only confirms that he really did mean to say it…

    If we only saw it once, we might have believed he posted that in error…

    Obviously reading comprehension and math skills aren’t part of gbmickey’s strengths.

  28. purp1eone says: Jun 25, 2013 9:27 AM

    Guess you mighty packers could have used Bishop when the 9ers rolled over the 70′s porn star and your dynasty last year huh?

  29. skolvikings58 says: Jun 25, 2013 9:27 AM

    @ponderthedumpoffking Well I have not seen SANDblaster in awhile . I think he locked him self in his “Loft”.

  30. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 25, 2013 9:28 AM

    I guess if you’re a desperate team on the decline, you try everything to shore up a middle of the road, aging defense–even if it is someone that your own fans have been ridiculing (until he signed with your “team”) as someone not likely to be the same after a terrible injury.

  31. purplepunisher says: Jun 25, 2013 9:28 AM

    Last fall when Peterson, Kapernick and many others were running over the soft, weak, wimpy Packers defense all we heard from Packers fans was how excited they were for Bishop to return in 2013.

    Now that Ted Thompson turned around and made another poor decision in letting a 28 year old quality player go, all the Packer fans are saying he no good.

  32. skolvikings58 says: Jun 25, 2013 9:29 AM

    Op, never mind I found him. How is it goin’ SANDBLASTER?

  33. jack3dsd says: Jun 25, 2013 9:29 AM

    The Packers could have given him 1.35 but he won’t return to form and Brad Jones is a solid player so they threw him to the scavengers taking table scraps in Minnesota

  34. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 25, 2013 9:30 AM

    chi01town says:Jun 25, 2013 8:39 AM

    its a shame greenbay didnt even have 1. 35 million to keep Bishop.
    Rodgers took every dime on the table. somebody should tell greenbay that he cant win by his self.
    _______

    Sure he can. They’ve been a one-man team for years. It’s just unlikely to continue.

  35. skolvikings58 says: Jun 25, 2013 9:31 AM

    I cant really tell Sanbblaster is a bandwagoner… He isn’t welcome here, take him back.

  36. jokendave says: Jun 25, 2013 9:33 AM

    Rodgers alone beats your pathetic team year in and year out.
    ————————————————————–

    Seems to me the last regular season game of the Packers was a loss. And to who? The Vikings!!
    If you don’t know what your taking about, at least watch a game or two to learn.

  37. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 25, 2013 9:35 AM

    Rick Spielman is a Magician says:
    Jun 25, 2013 9:30 AM
    chi01town says:Jun 25, 2013 8:39 AM

    its a shame greenbay didnt even have 1. 35 million to keep Bishop.
    Rodgers took every dime on the table. somebody should tell greenbay that he cant win by his self.
    _______

    Sure he can. They’ve been a one-man team for years. It’s just unlikely to continue.

    —–

    Didn’t you just sign two people from that one man team, for 10million?

    Either they’re worth it or they’re not.

    Can’t wait to see you squirm out of this debacle.

  38. ejmat2 says: Jun 25, 2013 9:38 AM

    golynxgo says:
    Jun 25, 2013 9:20 AM
    Rick Spielman is a Magician says:
    Jun 25, 2013 9:09 AM

    I thought there would be absolutely no way anyone could ever consider an incentive-laden one-year deal worth between $840K and $1.35 million “overpaying,” but congratulations on proving me wrong. I figured the overpaying comments would come months later by people with faulty memories and green-and-gold colored glasses. This deal doesn’t hurt the Vikings’ salary cap so what’s the problem? If it doesn’t work out, they lost nothing. If it does, it’s a great deal. Low risk, high reward. I guess you Packer “owners” are always looking at your own bottom line.

    No here is the Bottom line
    Packers 4 Superbowl Victories… Vikings ZERO
    ——————————————
    The ole’, when all else fails fall back on the superbowl victories. I.E., I can’t debate what you said but the Packers have 4 superbowls and the Vikes have none. Typical Packer fan without a clue other than knowing they won a superbowl.

  39. ejmat2 says: Jun 25, 2013 9:39 AM

    jokendave says:
    Jun 25, 2013 9:33 AM
    Rodgers alone beats your pathetic team year in and year out.
    ————————————————————–
    Actually it’s the other way around. The Packers need more than Rodgers to beat the Vikings but the Vikings only need AP to beat the Packers. LMAO

  40. gtodriver says: Jun 25, 2013 9:40 AM

    dlw492 says:

    “I would’ve stayed in Green Bay for 2.5M
    What’s the point of leaving- only to get a new residence and take less money?”

    Desmond would have too – if Tightwad Ted had offered it.

    TT cut him without even offering him league minimum.

  41. GenXJay says: Jun 25, 2013 9:40 AM

    The fear, jealousy, pure hate & discontent are seething via packer re-threads. The origin of living in the past begins about the Bishop situation.

  42. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 25, 2013 9:42 AM

    jokendave says:
    Jun 25, 2013 9:33 AM
    Rodgers alone beats your pathetic team year in and year out.
    ————————————————————–

    Seems to me the last regular season game of the Packers was a loss. And to who? The Vikings!!
    If you don’t know what your taking about, at least watch a game or two to learn.

    —-

    1) the guy he was talking to is a bears fan. If you don’t know what you’re talking about, try to look at the conversation and learn a bit.

    2) even if he was a Vikings fan, Rodgers is 6-1 in the last 7 games, including knocking the yikes out of the playoffs last year.

    Learned anything yet?

  43. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 25, 2013 9:46 AM

    ejmat2 says:
    Jun 25, 2013 9:39 AM
    jokendave says:
    Jun 25, 2013 9:33 AM
    Rodgers alone beats your pathetic team year in and year out.
    ————————————————————–
    Actually it’s the other way around. The Packers need more than Rodgers to beat the Vikings but the Vikings only need AP to beat the Packers. LMAO

    —-

    As evidenced by Peterson’s amazing record vs the Packers.

  44. farvite says: Jun 25, 2013 9:57 AM

    It’s the Summer of Discontent in Green Bay.

  45. purpleguy says: Jun 25, 2013 10:03 AM

    No wonder he didn’t decide right away, no one was offering him squat. The Vikes can’t go wrong on those contract terms, but heck, if Bishop had offered to pay the Vikes to play here, cheesers would have found some twisted logic to contend they over-paid.

  46. twonis says: Jun 25, 2013 10:11 AM

    Green Bay had the cap room and he was a proven player who knows their system and they made no effort to keep him.

    3 other teams weren’t willing to pay a penny above the minimum.

    Something tells me there is a lot more going on with his physical condition than is being mentioned. Vikings fans are going to crow about how stupid GB was but the Pack isn’t nearly as desperate at the LB position as MN is. They were planning to move Henderson inside before this happened.

    This was a move to plug a hole, not sign a superstar. So Vikes fans might wanna hold off on flossing about this one for a bit…

  47. chefgoldblum says: Jun 25, 2013 10:19 AM

    Great deal for the Vikings as far as value and price, but like a fart in a hot crowded room, hamstring injuries have a tendency to linger. Buyer beware.

  48. tokyosanbblaster says: Jun 25, 2013 10:23 AM

    Why all the acrimony here? Just do like I and other Packer faithful do: get sloppy guzzling paint thinner, dance around in various stages of undress and talk about our sisters. Me and ponderthedumpoffking can show you the ropes! Go Pack Go!

  49. Frazier28/7 says: Jun 25, 2013 10:24 AM

    Just another example of how Spielman and company have this franchise headed towards great things.

    Signing Desmond Biship is no more important than the signing of Lawrence Jackson from the Lions.

    Matt Kalil, Harrison Smith, Blair Walsh, Sharrif Floyd, Xavier Rhodes, Cordarrelle Patterson and signing Greg Jennings are what’s important.

  50. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 25, 2013 10:39 AM

    tokyosanbblaster says: Jun 25, 2013 10:23 AM

    Why all the acrimony here? Just do like I and other Packer faithful do: get sloppy guzzling paint thinner, dance around in various stages of undress and talk about our sisters. Me and ponderthedumpoffking can show you the ropes! Go Pack Go!

    More proof positive that You, Spielman, and “Paint thinner pack fan” are all the same people.

    Good lord, how sad.

  51. fi1thymcnasty1 says: Jun 25, 2013 10:50 AM

    My loft cost more than you’ll make in your lifetime.

    Oopsie!

    Checkmate.

  52. tokyosandblaster says: Jun 25, 2013 10:56 AM

    fi1thymcnasty1 says: Jun 25, 2013 10:50 AM

    My loft cost more than you’ll make in your lifetime.

    Oopsie!

    Checkmate.

    —-

    And add another name to the above list.

  53. knicksjetsmets says: Jun 25, 2013 11:04 AM

    I’ve spent a lot of time in both states for work, months in fact. These posts confirm what I found out on my own.

    Minnesota is the most horrible place on the planet other than maybe Somalia.

    Madison and Milwaukee aren’t the prettiest towns, but the people are great. Great nightlife, golf, art and museums and stuff like that if you’re in to it, and real sports people. As a loud talking NYer, it has always been easy for me and my team to make friends and have a good time.

    In Minneapolis, all I ever heard was how awesome the city was and how there was “more to life” in Minnesota. It had the same stuff as any other city. And it was BORING. But the kicker was…

    The people are the most arrogant, smug, know-nothing, passive aggressive jerks I’ve ever been around. But they are polite and smile to your face.

  54. buffaloviking says: Jun 25, 2013 11:11 AM

    Kyle Rudolph ring a bell. Everyone claimed he was done because of a bad hamstring.

    SKOL VIKINGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  55. mcg8569 says: Jun 25, 2013 11:25 AM

    “I guess if you’re a desperate team on the decline, you try everything to shore up a middle of the road, aging defense–even if it is someone that your own fans have been ridiculing (until he signed with your “team”) as someone not likely to be the same after a terrible injury.”

    ———————————–

    Jared Allen, Kevin Williams, and MAYBE Chad Greenway (who is still at the top of his game and top 5 in tackles year in and year out) I’ll give you. But your argument is terrible beyond those 3 players.

    Harrison Smith, Xavier Rhodes, Josh Robinson, Chris Cook, Sharrif Floyd, Christian Ballard, Brian Robison, Everson Griffen, hell even 4th rounder Gerald Hodges.

    This defense is young as hell and will only get better. Throw in up and coming D Coordinator Alan Williams and I like our future.

    Green Bay is the better team right now, sure, but is there a better rivalry in the league right now? Throw out the Joe Webb playoff game last year and the other two games were fantastic.

  56. ejmat2 says: Jun 25, 2013 12:01 PM

    ponderthedumpoffking says:
    Jun 25, 2013 9:46 AM
    ejmat2 says:
    Jun 25, 2013 9:39 AM
    jokendave says:
    Jun 25, 2013 9:33 AM
    Rodgers alone beats your pathetic team year in and year out.
    ————————————————————–
    Actually it’s the other way around. The Packers need more than Rodgers to beat the Vikings but the Vikings only need AP to beat the Packers. LMAO

    —-

    As evidenced by Peterson’s amazing record vs the Packers.
    ———————————-
    LMAO. that’s the example you want to use?? Yeah hus record of 500 yards in one season against the packers.

    Face it. Rodgers alone has not beaten the Vikings. He’s good and the best in the league at QB but the Packers had a muchn better offense than the Vikings have had in the past couple of years. However, last year, AP was the ONLY reason why the Vikings beat the Packers. Care to dispute more?

  57. vikings28 says: Jun 25, 2013 12:05 PM

    good signing. Low risk/High Reward. Packers lost their best tackler and we picked him up. I’d say that’s a “W”
    yea, and after MVPeterson and Kapernick ran through the packers defense like a hot knife through butter, packer fans were like, wait until Bishop comes back….
    NOW they are calling for his head…oh..yea…and they hate Jennings now too.
    Business is Business and money never sleeps…FYI

  58. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 25, 2013 12:15 PM

    ejmat2 says: Jun 25, 2013 12:01 PM

    ponderthedumpoffking says:
    Jun 25, 2013 9:46 AM
    ejmat2 says:
    Jun 25, 2013 9:39 AM
    jokendave says:
    Jun 25, 2013 9:33 AM
    Rodgers alone beats your pathetic team year in and year out.
    ————————————————————–
    Actually it’s the other way around. The Packers need more than Rodgers to beat the Vikings but the Vikings only need AP to beat the Packers. LMAO

    —-

    As evidenced by Peterson’s amazing record vs the Packers.
    ———————————-
    LMAO. that’s the example you want to use?? Yeah hus record of 500 yards in one season against the packers.

    Face it. Rodgers alone has not beaten the Vikings. He’s good and the best in the league at QB but the Packers had a muchn better offense than the Vikings have had in the past couple of years. However, last year, AP was the ONLY reason why the Vikings beat the Packers. Care to dispute more?

    I see where your mistake is. You think that YARDS win games.

    In the NFL, POINTS must be scored to win games.

    All the Vikings needed to win against the Packers is the best game Christian Ponder had as a pro, IN CONJUNCTION with Adrian Peterson’s running ability.

    But yes, the Packers are much better on offense. And defense, come to think of it.

  59. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 25, 2013 12:20 PM

    twonis says:Jun 25, 2013 10:11 AM

    This was a move to plug a hole, not sign a superstar. So Vikes fans might wanna hold off on flossing about this one for a bit…
    ________

    Who is arguing that? No one has said they expect Bishop to be a superstar. We were short on linebackers and just signed one to play on non-passing downs. If he stays healthy, it will probably be a nice upgrade.

  60. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 25, 2013 12:27 PM

    ponderthedumpoffking says:Jun 25, 2013 9:35 AM

    Rick Spielman is a Magician says:
    Jun 25, 2013 9:30 AM
    chi01town says:Jun 25, 2013 8:39 AM

    its a shame greenbay didnt even have 1. 35 million to keep Bishop.
    Rodgers took every dime on the table. somebody should tell greenbay that he cant win by his self.
    _______

    Sure he can. They’ve been a one-man team for years. It’s just unlikely to continue.

    —–

    Didn’t you just sign two people from that one man team, for 10million?

    Either they’re worth it or they’re not.

    Can’t wait to see you squirm out of this debacle.
    _____

    Gosh, let’s see if I can squirm out of this debacle, whatever that means.

    Yes, I think those players are worth it, but without Rodgers, those players wouldn’t have won any games for you last year. For example, Jennings had 8 receptions for 120 yards and 2 touchdowns against the Vikings last year, and the Packers still lost. Still, I’ll be happy to add that kind of production to my team this year.

    But you keep telling us that Jennings and Bishop are worthless. So you must agree that it is a one-man team. Moreso now than before.

  61. ejmat2 says: Jun 25, 2013 12:32 PM

    ponderthedumpoffking says:
    Jun 25, 2013 12:15 PM
    I see where your mistake is. You think that YARDS win games.

    In the NFL, POINTS must be scored to win games.

    All the Vikings needed to win against the Packers is the best game Christian Ponder had as a pro, IN CONJUNCTION with Adrian Peterson’s running ability.

    But yes, the Packers are much better on offense. And defense, come to think of it.
    —————————————–
    Nice twist to what I said. IN CONJUNCTION, my foot. He had 1 good throw and maybe a second. AP ran for 199 yards which somewhat unsubstantiates your claim that the Packer defense is better than the Vikings. But, keep thinking that. Ponders best day as a pro (your claim) doesn’t mean it was a great day. AP put the team on his back and basically beat the Packers single handedly. When did Aaron rodgers single handedly beat the Vikings? Afterall that’s been my entire point, hasn’t it?

  62. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 25, 2013 12:45 PM

    Wrong again, Rick. Man, you must be so sick of it.

    Bishop didn’t play last year, and if the Packers didn’t even offer him league minimum, you can be pretty sure that he isn’t back to where he was–or even close.

    I’d love it if you could find any post where I said Jennings was worthless. I just said the Packers didn’t miss a beat with him injured for much of last season.

    So–again, we have you saying that the Packers only have Rodgers (he’s a one man team). The Yikes signed two people that were packers players, but really only succeeded because of Rodgers (because he plays defense as well, right?).

    You’ve spent $10 million for this year alone on these two, who, without Rodgers, aren’t good–your words, not mine.

    So is Spielman an idiot? Or are you?

    At this point, it’s either or.

  63. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 25, 2013 12:49 PM

    ejmat,

    If you want to say that no one else on the Vikings is good, other than Peterson, I guess we can agree.

    You kids are always pointing out how brilliant Ponder was in that game, saying that he will be like that in every game from now until he retires, with 10 – 15 Super Bowl rings.

    It’s so odd: Rick and ejmat think completely different things, and they’re both wrong. Rick says that Rodgers is a one man team, ejmat says the Vikings are.

    The Packers are better at offense and defense. That much we know (those pesky “statistics” get in the way of your homerific conjecture).

  64. voicefreason says: Jun 25, 2013 1:01 PM

    Taking 1.35 just shows how badly players want out of Green Bay. Thanks to TT and the worst medical/training staff in the NFL. Nobody ever gets better over there. An X-Ray machine is cutting edge in Wisconsin. Comical how all their fans act like jilted lovers all standing around their dusty trophy case playing grabass.

  65. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 25, 2013 1:09 PM

    voicefreason says: Jun 25, 2013 1:01 PM

    Taking 1.35 just shows how badly players want out of Green Bay. Thanks to TT and the worst medical/training staff in the NFL. Nobody ever gets better over there. An X-Ray machine is cutting edge in Wisconsin. Comical how all their fans act like jilted lovers all standing around their dusty trophy case playing grabass.

    ——–

    He wanted out so badly that he quit and joined the Vikings, right?

    Another guy that thinks this is recess football with all the other fat kids who never made a football team in their lives.

    The Packers released him. Didn’t want him anymore. No one offered him more money than league minimum.

    Uh oh.

  66. ejmat2 says: Jun 25, 2013 1:24 PM

    @ Ponderthedumpoffking,

    Let me break things down for you so you can stop confusing what I am saying versus how you want to put a spin on it.

    1) I NEVER said the Vikings were a 1-man team. I said AP single-handedly was the reason for the game the Vikings beat the Packers.
    2) I am not one of those so-called “kids” that has pointed out how great Ponder did that game or that he would be for the rest of his career. In fact, I am one that still believes he has a lot of work to do. I don’t remember anyone saying the Vikings would win 10-15 superbowl rings under Ponder. So there is just one more thing YOU added to what Viking fans are truly saying.
    3) Again, I NEVER said the Vikings were a one-man team. That is you putting words on my keyboard since they weren’t typed by me. By the way, it was a Packer fan that originally said Aaron Rodgers beats the Vikings alone. Not the other way around. If you can’t remember that, scroll up some. It may jog your memory.
    4) I admit the Packers have been better on offense in recent years but I debate them being better defensively. I guess you don’t realize that those “pesky statistics” don’t always tell the entire story. Do you think maybe the defense could be better because Rodgers doesn’t turn the ball over much? Or that it possibly may be heir special teams are pretty good? Those are just a couple of many unmentioned variables that contribute to statistics but if you want to take them as black and white, that’s up to you. But when is the last time the Vikings defense ever lost a game because a RB ran for 199 yards against them? It’s been many years but we are talking about the present now aren’t we?

    Maybe, just maybe if you would stop trying to twist things and put words into other people’s mouths we can have better debates. But then all you would have is “The Packers won more Superbowls” after you can’t debate anymore.

  67. bigdaddyrockytop says: Jun 25, 2013 1:28 PM

    I dont hate Jennings or Bishop. Favre yea but not just because he signed with the Vikings. Neither Bish or Jennings were healthy last season but they will have career years with the Vikings? Around the league Ted is considered one of the better GMs. Obviously he has to be wrong on these two players because the Vikings signed them even though he made NO attempt to resign them. Yes he tried to extend Jennings but that was before he missed most of last season. I understand optimism but blind optimism leads to disappointment.

  68. gbmickey says: Jun 25, 2013 1:32 PM

    Once again Viking fans thumping their chests claiming paper champions once again. I dont believe you will find a Packer fan on here that wont concede on that. The Packers will quietly go about their business as Minnesota will be forced to watch the Packers in the playoffs like they have done for the past 3 yrs.

  69. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 25, 2013 1:37 PM

    There you go again, making mistakes from the get-go.

    A Bears fan said that the Packers can’t beat teams with just Rodgers.

    A Packers fan responded by saying that Rodgers owns the bears.

    Some other yikes rube made the mistake saying that Rodgers beats the vikes by himself.

    Spielman jumped on and said Rodgers is a one man team, but won’t be able to keep up the success.

    And you just jumped in midconversation and said that Peterson is a one man team.

    These are facts.

  70. ejmat2 says: Jun 25, 2013 1:48 PM

    Your facts are still skewed.

    I NEVER SAID THE VIKES ARE A ONE MAN TEAM.
    I said, AP signle-handedly beat the Packers in their game last year. Can you not tell the difference? Mid conversation or not, get your facts straight before claiming them to be fact!

  71. ejmat2 says: Jun 25, 2013 1:51 PM

    By the way Ponderthe dumpoffking, what is your belief as to how the NFL ranks defenses? How do they come up with their 1-32 or best to worst? Just curious of your belief in this regard.

  72. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jun 25, 2013 2:08 PM

    I’m getting very confused. Let’s just all agree that the Packers have a great quarterback and that gives the appearance that Ted Thompson put a great team together, and that the Vikings are in the process of putting together a great team but they won’t get over the hump until their quarterback becomes a solid starter. Okay? Done.

  73. ejmat2 says: Jun 25, 2013 2:37 PM

    But Rick, the Packers have won 4 superbowls and the Vikings won zero.

    LOL. Sorry I had to predict the typical Packer fan response to what you said. Or better yet, anything that’s said.

  74. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 25, 2013 3:45 PM

    Rick, does Rodgers play defense? Is that why they were 11th in the league in points allowed and yards allowed?

    ejmat, a defense is judged by how many points they allow.

    The Packers don’t turn the ball over as much as some teams, but they can move the ball and score, which gives their opponents just as many opportunities.

    Rick comes on here and spouts off saying the Vikings draft picks are all going to be hall of famers, and the Packers draft picks are all busts. Then he goes on to say things like Ponder will get better through natural progression, and all the Packers did was shuffle bad players around. Of course the Packers can’t progress from year to year. That skill is only allowed for the Vikings.

    See, what you guys don’t want to admit is the Packers played pretty well on defense last year. While I admit the Packers looked lost in the game vs the 9ers, that was coaching (which I put squarely on Capers’ head), and a lot of Erik Walden being out of position. Peterson had amazing games. Saying that the defense is bad is saying Peterson isn’t good. Isn’t it just easier to say that Peterson had an amazing year, and some of it was at the Packers’ expense?

    BJ Raji, Nick Perry, Clay Matthews, Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, and MD Jennings should all be even better this year. The addition of Datone Jones’ speed off the edge is only enhance a steady improvement for the Packers.

  75. ejmat2 says: Jun 25, 2013 4:25 PM

    That’s pretty fair ponderthedumpoffking. Everything you say here makes a lot of sense. A lot of speculation of course, but we all do that.

    As for how a defense is judged I think you are only partially correct there. I think there are many variables to how a defense is judged and this is my point. Points allowed is one. Yards allowed is another. 3rd down efficiency is another. Etc…

    The fact is the Packers and Vikings had similar defenses last year when you look at stats. They both let up the same amount of YPP (5.2). However the Packers let up less points (barely). Now look at how many points the Packers offense give up compared to the Viking offense? Meaning how many points were scored off turnovers or due to field position. That is why it is very difficult to judge a team’s success simply by “pesky statistics”.

    So while I will agree the Packers are very capable of having a good defense, I will debate the fact they have a better defense than the Vikings do right now or did last year. I think the Packer’s offense had more to do with the Packers defense having better statistics than the Vikings when you throw in all the variables. But Packers had a much better offense hands down.

  76. ponderthedumpoffking says: Jun 25, 2013 6:02 PM

    Yes, but that didn’t stop vikes fans from ripping the Packers for being last in yards allowed two years ago, despite the Packers being 19th in points allowed (while the Vikings were 31st).

    I’m just sayin’… You can do the eyeball test, but Vikes fans don’t watch every Packers game. Most probably just saw 4 packers games last year– the three vikings games and the niners game– and as I said, they obviously weren’t the Packers’ best efforts.

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