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Billick explains Ravens’ decision to rally around Ray Lewis

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If the Ravens’ qualification for Super Bowl XLVII dusted off long-forgotten memories of the alleged involvement of Ray Lewis in a double murder, the Aaron Hernandez situation has sandblasted them.  And with the Patriots dumping Hernandez the moment he was arrested in connection with the death of Odin Lloyd, the contrast between the respective approaches of the two franchises to situation involving murder became as sharp as possible.

While many believe the Patriots must have had access to inside information about the Hernandez investigation at the time he was cut, the more accurate assumption would be that the Patriots decided early in the process, without the benefit of any specific intelligence about the case, that no employee arrested in connection with a murder investigation is fit to remain employed by the team.

The Ravens came to the exact opposite conclusion.  The man who coached the team at the time, Brian Billick, recently compiled an exhaustive explanation of the team’s reasoning and approach to the Lewis situation.

Billick explains that the team’s decision to rally around Lewis arose from their faith in his “overall innocence.”  In so doing, Billick implies that the Patriots had no faith in Hernandez’s innocence.

But Lewis was hardly “innocent.”  Lewis wouldn’t have been arrested, charged, and prosecuted based on no evidence.  Prosecutors routinely walk away from trying to secure a conviction under the very high standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt if they believe that the evidence, while pointing to the defendant’s guilt, nevertheless creates an opening for an “if it doesn’t fit, you must acquit” concoction of enough doubt to secure an acquittal.  Moreover, judges don’t allow cases to go to trial absent the existence of enough evidence to allow a reasonable jury to conclude that the high bar of proof beyond a reasonable doubt had been met.

For Ray Lewis, the prosecutor eventually decided to cut a deal, and Lewis decided not to tell the prosecutor to pound sand/salt/whatever and force the trial to a verdict.  This wasn’t a case where the charges were dropped with no strings attached.  Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice in order to escape the far more serious charge of murder.

The Ravens had no qualms about welcoming back to the team without suspension or other punishment (other than the $250,000 fine imposed by the league) a man who pleaded guilty to obstructing justice in a murder case.  New England’s swift and decisive action regarding Hernandez this week amounts to a clear statement that, even if Hernandez had simply lied to the police or concealed evidence regarding a murder, any alleged wrongdoing regarding a murder provides enough reason to move on.

Right or wrong, the Ravens treated Ray Lewis far differently than the Patriots treated Hernandez.  And while it seems that Billick may be trying in artful fashion to soften some of the harsh, inescapable realities the Ray Lewis case, the fact remains that the Ravens had no qualms about embracing and defending a man who clearly had enough involvement to result in a judge allowing a murder trial to proceed, and in Lewis eventually entering a guilty plea for a crime related to the killings.  The Patriots, in contrast, opted to have no further involvement with anyone who had done anything, actually or allegedly, that would get him arrested in connection with the intentional death of another human.

For each organization, it sets a precedent that they surely hope they’ll never have to use in a similar case.

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  1. heyitsmejosh says: Jun 28, 2013 6:38 PM

    its pretty simple to figure this out.. The patriots are a classy organization and the ravens are simply not. they still celebrate a man who had a direct involvement in the deaths of two people.

  2. kd75 says: Jun 28, 2013 6:40 PM

    Well the Patriots DO videotape everything. They probably know everything but will never release the evidence.

    Ray Lewis only punishment was walking home naked after he threw away his blood stained suit.

  3. ravensterps says: Jun 28, 2013 6:41 PM

    You leave out the extreme differences in the facts between the two cases. You call this “journalism?”

  4. thegreatgabbert says: Jun 28, 2013 6:41 PM

    Maybe if someone had trundled Lewis’ crazy ass down the road at the time, the league wouldn’t be dealing with the Hernandez situation now.

  5. mcwest1 says: Jun 28, 2013 6:42 PM

    “This wasn’t a case where the charges were dropped with no strings attached. Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice in order to escape the far more serious charge of murder.”

    What DA allows a plea bargain of obstruction of justice if he has enough evidence for a murder charge?

  6. bucrightoff says: Jun 28, 2013 6:43 PM

    Actually its as simple as Ray had Hall of Fame talent and was more likely to walk. If Hernandez does walk he’ll have work again.

  7. ravensterps says: Jun 28, 2013 6:43 PM

    The biggest difference is that Ray Lewis and his crew got jumped outside of a bar whereas Hernandez is alleged to have executed a man in cold blood to keep him silent about a different double murder that Hernandez may have been involved in.

    If the facts of Ray Lewis’ case were the same as the facts of Hernandez’s, I’m sure the Ravens would have cut Lewis. It’s that simple.

  8. lifeofcurley says: Jun 28, 2013 6:45 PM

    Show me that white suit that mysteriously disappeared and I we tell you if he was innocent or not. The fact that it has never surfaced can only point to one thing…

  9. hutch119 says: Jun 28, 2013 6:45 PM

    Brian sounds like a man feeling pretty guilty…

  10. thesteelers says: Jun 28, 2013 6:46 PM

    The Steelers are the classiest organization.

    #superior

  11. pongonfl says: Jun 28, 2013 6:49 PM

    Lewis tried everything to avoid a fight even, much less a death, hernandez is apparently a serial murderer.
    You can really tell what pats fan boys the editors of this site are some times lol

  12. thestrategyexpert says: Jun 28, 2013 6:51 PM

    But “safety” wasn’t the theme back then. Now it is everything.

  13. helloanybodyhome says: Jun 28, 2013 6:54 PM

    Ray was probably not the actual murderer, but he was obviously involved in some way and yet never came clean on what happened. I doubt he ever will.
    Great football player, but with this stain on his legacy he can’t live up to the saint he portrays himself to be.

  14. sdisme says: Jun 28, 2013 6:54 PM

    You have to wonder if Goodell was the commissioner in 2000, if Ray Lewis would have even been eligible to play in the 2001 Super Bowl?

    And had he been suspended for say a year by the league, if he would be the same person he is today?

  15. 3sakuraba9 says: Jun 28, 2013 6:55 PM

    Once you pay over a million to separate parties, I think it’s safe to remove the “alleged” involvement tag.

  16. thejuddstir says: Jun 28, 2013 7:02 PM

    Unbelievable how far some people will go to rationalize Ray Lewis’s involvement in a murder but when you’re only basis for attempting to rationalize is based on such simplicity as being a fan of the team, the person, the headcoach who wants to win etc. that is about as lame as it gets. Win me a Superbowl and I will gladly and easily overlook the fact that you were involved in the murder of another human being…..pretty pathetic. Let’s hope it never one of YOUR loved ones who is murdered in such a manner……I bet your song would change then.

  17. mrwalterisgod says: Jun 28, 2013 7:04 PM

    Look, I know this is hard for a failed lawyer to understand (cough cough Florio) but NOBODY was convicted in that case, so obviously there wasn’t all this evidence that he claims there was.

    And, if Ray Lewis was this awful human being as Florio implies daily, why has he not been in any criminal activity since then? Hmm? Care to explain Mike? 14 years is a long time. If Lewis were a bad dude, he’d have messed up by now.

    Sorry you are such a hack of a writer and failed lawyer.

  18. thvkh says: Jun 28, 2013 7:05 PM

    To summarize the Lewis-muder:

    - 2 man got in a fight with 3 man
    - the 3-man-team included at least one 250 pound bone-crusher
    - the 2 man used there fists vs. the 3-man-side used at least two knives
    - Lewis (white :-) suite was full of blood, so he hided it – which means, the one who claims to not have stabbed someone, was full of blood!
    - Lewis was the one shouting in the limousine to shut up, so nothing will be charged.
    - Lewis was paying severall people (like the victims familiy and arguably the 2 man, which “stabbed”.
    - Lewis refused to tell the truth of that night.

    He should have been seriously charged at least with the involvent of a double muder. But he will go to Canton for crying out loud….

  19. bucrightoff says: Jun 28, 2013 7:09 PM

    Pats fan boys? Do you morons read this site? Florio pretty much hates them, and wouldn’t you know it, the author is….

  20. rockthered1286 says: Jun 28, 2013 7:10 PM

    I don know why anybody is shocked by this article. Florio has always had some grudge against Ray and takes any chance he gets to poke the bear without presenting the whole case. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

  21. dlbpatsfan says: Jun 28, 2013 7:11 PM

    Brian Billick and the Ravens fans who are bias aren’t trying to accept the fact that they chose team wins and victory over team image and morals. They can say all that crap about “faith in Lewis” or “no faith in Hernandez” but the truth is we cut someone allegedly involved in a murder because it’s the right thing to do and they didn’t because they cared about wins. “Faith” has nothing to do with any of this.

  22. wwwmattcom says: Jun 28, 2013 7:16 PM

    The patriots actually come out of this looking somewhat clean and classy. However they just embarrassed the NFL, the game. Without intention. They are just the host. Cut it not. He isn’t a former anything but patriot/NFL player.

  23. 808raiderinparadise says: Jun 28, 2013 7:26 PM

    Not even a close comparison, Lewis was invovled in an altercation that led to deaths. NOTHING pre-meditated, nothing about planning to murder people to cover up lies, gangs, execution style, nothing even close.

    What happened with Ray Lewis was bad, but its something that can happen to anyone if you were in a club and entourages go at it, people carry weapons in that lifestyle, it happens.

    Aaron Hernandez is a special case, kid is dam gang member with motives to kill people. Planned murders, rental cars, destroying evidence …

    Aaron is scum to society, given the privledged life of NFL $ and fame and pissed in the face of a lifestyle change & family to remain a gangster.

    I would piss on his grave.

  24. staph1nfection says: Jun 28, 2013 7:31 PM

    As a fan of neither team, I don’t think the two situations are anywhere near comparable. And, I think both teams handled each situation appropriately.

  25. FinFan68 says: Jun 28, 2013 7:31 PM

    “Moreover, judges don’t allow cases to go to trial absent the existence of enough evidence to allow a reasonable jury to conclude that the high bar of proof beyond a reasonable doubt had been met.”

    The way this is explained seems to almost imply that defendants in cases that go to trial are likely guilty, or “not guilty” verdicts are handed down by less than reasonable juries. I don’t think that is what you really mean.

    “the more accurate assumption would be that the Patriots decided early in the process, without the benefit of any specific intelligence about the case, that no employee arrested in connection with a murder investigation is fit to remain employed by the team.”

    Just after his arrest I remember a quick update (either via TV or an article on the web) where the reporter claimed the Patriots will have a press conference/statement later in the day “after they confirm” a couple things. If accurate, this seems to indicate they were trying to determine the nature of the charges. If they were going to release him for any arrest involving this case, that statement about confirming details would have been unnecessary. Of course, the reporter could have assumed the reason was to confirm some things but it was reported as they stated it.

  26. dragonfly99 says: Jun 28, 2013 7:35 PM

    You make a good point that “Lewis was hardly innocent” and there was evidence against Ray Lewis but not enough for an actual conviction. I guess if Hernandez is not allowed to no longer play football, there is always a job at ESPN for him.

  27. lrfootball72 says: Jun 28, 2013 7:42 PM

    But Lewis was hardly “innocent.” Lewis wouldn’t have been arrested, charged, and prosecuted based on no evidence. Prosecutors routinely walk away from trying to secure a conviction under the very high standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt if they believe that the evidence, while pointing to the defendant’s guilt, nevertheless creates an opening for an “if it doesn’t fit, you must acquit” concoction of enough doubt to secure an acquittal. Moreover, judges don’t allow cases to go to trial absent the existence of enough evidence to allow a reasonable jury to conclude that the high bar of proof beyond a reasonable doubt had been met.

    I’m not saying Ray didn’t do anything illegal, but do you really believe no innocent people have ever been charged, tried, and convicted of a crime? That’s kind of scary.

  28. baltimoresohard says: Jun 28, 2013 7:43 PM

    Or how about the fact that the two men who were prosecuted for the “Ray Lewis” Murder, were found not gulity on the grounds of Self Defense.

    Or the Fact that the DA could not dig up one witness that said Ray Lewis was physically involved in the fight where the two people were stabbed.

    Or the fact that the men who were stabbed, were known Gang Members.

    Or the fact that those Gang Members had a gun, and nobody in Ray Lewis’s Group were found with a gun.

    The only similarity is that somebody was killed and an NFL Player was arrested, only in Hernandez case, it appears as there is something called evidence.

  29. crownofthehelmet says: Jun 28, 2013 7:46 PM

    Ray’s no saint, but he didn’t seek out multiple people with the intent to kill them – big difference. Not defending Ray (a completely innocent man would’ve called cops asap instead of scheme a bit), but not on the same level.

  30. cheffyglenn says: Jun 28, 2013 7:47 PM

    Ray is guilty he just got away with it and then found Jesus. He must have been praying really hard in that cell.

  31. mundi1625 says: Jun 28, 2013 7:54 PM

    I would have to say that the Patriots are every pun attended getting away with murder by whopping their hands clean of Hernandez so early and allowing the circulation of the idea they if arrested they would cut Hernandez regardless.

    I hope you guys read your comments because I would like to enter a new theory I have yet to see discussed. One big difference in the two cases is location. Ray was Atlanta far enough away to assume that the Ravens ability to get information especially info currently not announced, harder. They likely had to go off they’re feelings of Ray and the evidence at hand to assume innocence. Also, the evidence in Rays case didn’t point to him to be actively involved like Hernandez. The murder charge was in order to induce Ray to talk which he didn’t at first and that’s why he got OofJ. Hernandez’s evidence however is damning to the point that’s its virtually impossible to deny ACTIVE involvement in the murder. Also, the events took place in Boston within proximity that a man as rich and powerful as Robert Kraft had to have an inside track on the proceedings. If you think he was denied any inside information in his own city then I’d have to assume you we’re born yesterday.

    In closing, the Patriots had to know that Hernandez was likely playing his last down before deciding to eat 10 million dollars of cap space and cut the leagues 77th best player according to the players.

  32. broo53 says: Jun 28, 2013 7:57 PM

    Billick is grasping at straws to explain his support in a similar situation. I lost even more respect for him.

  33. modhairken says: Jun 28, 2013 7:58 PM

    You simpleton. Ray Lewis was NOT convicted of murder. And yes prosecutors jam people with BS charges they can’t win all of the time usingbthe fear of incarceration to squeeze a plea to a lesser or rat out someone else

  34. ravensfan996 says: Jun 28, 2013 8:00 PM

    Never let the truth get in the way of a good story, huh? Please explain to me how a group of men attacking another group men, and because it leads to their (the attackers) deaths, then its murder, not self defense? Read the case @lifeofcurley; and heyitsmejosh!!! But like I said, never let a good story get in the way of the truth.

  35. northstarnic says: Jun 28, 2013 8:01 PM

    Well said. This is why, as long as I choose to follow the NFL, I will always never respect the ravens. And any supporter of the ravens who tries to talk negatively about the patriots in light of the current situation, or any other ethical issue (such as cheating), is a hypocrite.
    However, how is it fair to fault the ravens given the NFL’s behavior? In spite of his admitted involvement in a murder, the NFL has unflinchingly embraced ray lewis, at least as strongly as the ravens did. He’s not only the face of the ravens organization, but he has long been the face of the NFL as much as any other athlete.
    The NFL is a very violent league, full of dysfunctionally violent individuals. The participants violent tendencies are greatly rewarded and, when manifest off the football field, are often excused or dismissed in a manner that makes the league very difficult to respect.
    But dang if the NFL ain’t just so entertaining. Moral dilemma or not, I will be tuning in every Sunday afternoon to watch our modern gladiators beat the life out of each other.

  36. kansas531 says: Jun 28, 2013 8:07 PM

    Lewis paid off one of his “friends” to cop a plea and serve the time. Also, he was the first (and probably only) Super Bowl MVP to be disinvited to make an appearance at Disney World. Even fantasy world people saw through the ruse.

  37. darkglobe1 says: Jun 28, 2013 8:19 PM

    oh, and for all you Ravens fans to like to tell others to “learn the facts”, the facts are these: Ray Lewis was involved in a fight wherein two men were killed. He actively covered up the incident and ultimately plead guilty to obstructing a homicide investigation. What am I missing?

  38. jamesonkersey says: Jun 28, 2013 8:36 PM

    There are some extreme differences between Ray Lewis and Aaron Hernandez murder cases. Hernandez’s was allegedly a premeditated, cold, & calculated murder aimed at covering up another double murder. Lewis was jumped outside a bar and it’s debated if he actually had a hand in the murder or if his entourage killed the men and he was present.

  39. mljohns says: Jun 28, 2013 8:42 PM

    Not a Ravens or Ray Lewis fan, but this article is such a huge reach, it’s laughable. If this was Tom Brady instead of Aaron Hernandez, I don’t the Pats are so quick with the scissors…and that would be the true comparison, Tom Brady vs. Ray Lewis in a similar situation. As others have already pointed out, the differences in the cases of Ray Lewis and Aaron Hernandez are greater than their similarities.

  40. Stiller43 says: Jun 28, 2013 8:48 PM

    I can not believe baltimore fans continue to defend a man who is AT THE VERY LEAST guilty of covering up the facts in a double murder investigation.

    Fact: There was enough evidence to charge Ray with murder, as he was arrested/charged with murder.

    Fact: His clothes from that night never surfaced. Seems like the act of an innocent man to me…

    Fact: Ray was convicted of obstructing justice in the investigation.

    Baltimore and their fans continue to support him anyway.

    Im glad at least one NFL organization (even if i normally hate them) have the class to cut ties immediately when there is enough evidence for an arrest in a murder case. Also, big respect to at least most pats fans (not the knuckleheads outside the courthouse wearing his jersey supporting him) for treating this guy like the turd he is and wanting him flushed.

  41. bagadeez04 says: Jun 28, 2013 8:52 PM

    Packers fan here…nothing but respect for what the Pats did here. They screwed up by drafting the guy, and lost big time. But they manned up and cut that POS.

    Ravens had a similar situation…not exactly the same but similar…and decided football was more important. The sweeping under the rug of the whole Ray Lewis double homicide thing has always bothered me a lot.

  42. abninf says: Jun 28, 2013 8:59 PM

    Until Lewis explains what happened to his blood stained suit and explain why he chose to obstruct justice, which is doesn’t have the courage to do, he is a murderer as far as I’m concerned.

  43. Joemontanaflacco says: Jun 28, 2013 9:02 PM

    So Odin Lloyd was the aggressor and he was killed in self defense? No? Then why are you even comparing these cases? To give the Patriot and Steeler Zombies more dead horse flesh to feed on, I suppose.

  44. jimmylions says: Jun 28, 2013 9:09 PM

    That blood-soaked white suite that Ray Lewis owned is still missing … probably along with the knife that OJ lost shortly after Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman were almost decapitated.

    We’ll never know the facts about what role Ray Lewis in the murders of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar. In fact, *no one* has been convicted of those murders or punished for those murders.

    Here’s what we do know:

    Ray Lewis admitted to lying to the police about a murder. He *deliberately* mislead the police about a *murder*! He *deliberately* obstructed a *murder* investigation.

    That should have gotten him kicked out of the NFL.

    But sports fans don’t really care what a superstar athlete does off the field. Michael Irvin stabbed a teammate and ended his career – no one in Dallas seems to mind. And there’s a massive list of athletes who have been forgiven for beating their wife or girlfriend, or forgiven for rape.

    And yeah – I tend to think that if it was Tom Brady being accused of murder, the Pats wouldn’t be so quick to fire him.

  45. jdfrox says: Jun 28, 2013 9:15 PM

    A few comments. One, it surprises me that a lawyer would write a commentary in which you insinuate that being charged and brought to trial means anything as far as guilt. Two, the reason the case was not dropped with no strings attached is because Ray Lewis was clearly guilty of obstruction of justice. He did not tell the police the truth at the outset and for that he paid a price. But the fact that he pled to obstruction of justice has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence for the murder. Finally, this case is so different than the Ray Lewis case I don’t even know where to begin. But start with the fact that the murder in Atlanta arose as a result of a fight between two groups that did not know one another rather than a cold blooded killing of a friend. The Ray Lewis case was never solid. This one appears to be far different. In the end the Ravens stood by a man that was charged because they felt he was innocent and it turns out he was as the charges were dropped. I highly doubt the outcome will be the same for Rodriguez. Could it be that both organizations did the right thing?

  46. rolltide510 says: Jun 28, 2013 9:15 PM

    Love seeing all the Pittsburg fans chiming in on Ray Lewis. Your Quarterback raped two women and paid for their silence.

  47. cjmcbragg says: Jun 28, 2013 9:15 PM

    I know everyone on this board will effectively boo this with their thumbs but this is a load of crap.

    ‘Prosecutors routinely walk away from trying to secure a conviction under the very high standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt if they believe that the evidence, … Moreover, judges don’t allow cases to go to trial absent the existence of enough evidence to allow a reasonable jury to conclude that the high bar of proof beyond a reasonable doubt had been met.’

    WHAAAAAT. OK I’ll give you that above the Mason Dixon line. I’m from Louisiana and that case was in the fine state of Georgia where prosecutorial misconduct against a certain stopped and frisked population is a requirement for job security. I’m happy for you in that little legal nirvana bubble you live in where all the lawyers give their best and the judges play by the book. HAHAHAHA I wish I lived in the same country you live in.

  48. benh999 says: Jun 28, 2013 9:15 PM

    Hernandez’s Glock = Lewis’ white suit

    Both are unrepentant killers.

  49. jayv27 says: Jun 28, 2013 9:21 PM

    How exactly did the steelers embrace Big Ben after his second rape accusation?

  50. jimmylions says: Jun 28, 2013 9:22 PM

    As a wise woman once said of Ray Lewise:

    “6 kids 4 wives. Acquitted for murder. Paid a family off. Yay! What a hall of fame player! A true role model!”

    Actually … Ray paid off multiple families after the murders.

  51. rmw10 says: Jun 28, 2013 9:34 PM

    Please please please look up the facts of the Ray Lewis case if you think he’s a murderer. If you’re basing your opinion off of the missing suit, you obviously have no clue about the entirety of this case at all. Did it ever occur to any of you that blood was transferred onto his suit from pulling his friends inside of the limo? Every single witness noted that Ray wasn’t seen until both men had been stabbed and the killers were being pulled inside of the limo?

    I’m not trying to say that Ray is an angel, but he sure isn’t a murderer either. He broke the law, yes. However, would a prosecutor really let a famous “murderer” walk to get 2 other guys?

  52. monsterscream says: Jun 28, 2013 9:34 PM

    I think it’s hilarious that the Patriots are being applauded for them releasing Hernandez so ‘swiftly’ rather than being blasted for drafting the clown in the 1st place. He was taken off a number of boards to to very poor character.

  53. vikesfansteve says: Jun 28, 2013 9:36 PM

    Saint Peter and the entity that Ray Ray is always praising know exactly where the white suit is and what happened. If you are no where near the victims and not involved in the stabbings how are you covered in blood. Sorry but Lewis is very suspect. As far as Hernandez. He’s got Ray beat with 3 known murders and 1 attempted where the victim just lost his eye and use of his arm and leg. Hernandez even took him to an industrial park also. Dude is a sick, sick, vile killer.

  54. advicesolid says: Jun 28, 2013 9:37 PM

    Yes, Mike innocent people are never arrested and prosecuted.

  55. glazerh8er says: Jun 28, 2013 9:38 PM

    PS, generally people don’t ever deserve to get murdered but you won’t every find me murdered in either fashion (1. brawling outside of a club or 2. getting capped for snitching on a previous murder)…the victims are not angels here.

  56. darkglobe1 says: Jun 28, 2013 9:39 PM

    I love how people ignore the fact that the other men were acquitted mostly due to the Ray Ray obstruction and destruction of evidence. But, like you all say, don’t let the facts get in the way….

  57. nightofthehipple says: Jun 28, 2013 9:43 PM

    I think if Goodell was the commisioner at the time of the Ray Lewis incident, he would not have had an NFL career. I also believe that the reason for Mister Lewis’ behavior on and off the field after the incident was his way of atoning for his feelings of guilt or wrong doing.

  58. seaeagle707 says: Jun 28, 2013 9:57 PM

    Re: the first comment on this thread. “…..the patriots are a classy organization…..” In what universe??? Tom Brady gets a homeless dude locked up for stealing some unused flower pots. Bill the Coach gets his fingers burned in a now infamous videotaping incident. Tom Brady “pouts” when games don’t go his way (You mad, bro?). And on and on. The way they dumped their hardest working player (Welker) was real classy. They saved us all from enjoying a Tebow-less future, and now at the last, gave us Aaron Hernandez. (I forgot the Kraft-Putin debacle).

    That’s your idea of a “classy” organization?

  59. darkglobe1 says: Jun 28, 2013 9:59 PM

    rmw10 says: Jun 28, 2013 9:34 PM

    Please please please look up the facts of the Ray Lewis case if you think he’s a murderer. If you’re basing your opinion off of the missing suit, you obviously have no clue about the entirety of this case at all. Did it ever occur to any of you that blood was transferred onto his suit from pulling his friends inside of the limo?
    _____________________________________

    ….and the suit “disappeared”, how convenient. He must have felt guilty about something to hide it somewhere and lie to the police about it. But, let’s ignore that…right?

  60. darkglobe1 says: Jun 28, 2013 10:02 PM

    Also, if the “blood was transferred onto his suit from pulling his friends inside of the limo” why did he destroy the suit? If it was that simple, then why obstruct justice?

  61. truthserum4u says: Jun 28, 2013 10:05 PM

    ravensterps says: Jun 28, 2013 6:43 PM

    The biggest difference is that Ray Lewis and his crew got jumped outside of a bar whereas Hernandez is alleged to have executed a man in cold blood to keep him silent about a different double murder that Hernandez may have been involved in.

    If the facts of Ray Lewis’ case were the same as the facts of Hernandez’s, I’m sure the Ravens would have cut Lewis. It’s that simple.

    _________________________________

    You and all of the others on here are off the mark when stating the differences between the two cases.

    When Hernandez was arrested there was no knowledge of what he was being charged with. Most thought it was the obstruction of justice that was floated in the preceding days. The charge of murder was a surprise and wasn’t known until his court appearance. The Patriots decided back when Hernandez’s name surfaced with the incident, that they would release him if he was arrested; regardless of what he was charged with.

    So all of the sordid details that came out about Hernandez’s alleged involvement with the Lloyd case and the double murder in 2012; the ones that make his situation far worse than Lewis’, came AFTER the Patriots had already released Hernandez. The differences are then totally irrelevant when it comes to the point of this story.

    Both franchises had a player connected to the murder of another human being. One chose to release the player upon his arrest, while the other did nothing even after his admission of obstructing a murder investigation.

  62. Stiller43 says: Jun 28, 2013 10:07 PM

    Rolltide510,

    Nobody brought up ben here, but since you did…

    In the first case, the woman was PROVEN to be kinda psycho, and the women was bragging to her coworkers about what she had done with ben. She clearly was either upset he didnt want anymore or she saw an opportunity to perhaps make some money off the situation. I fully believe that was bogus.

    The night in GA looks VERY murky. There is a fact she was underage and bar hopping, reportedly following ben around wherever he went. That in NO WAY means she was consenting at all if they did have sex. In the end, the police has NO evidence to even charge him with a crime. (I dont believe he was completely innocent there)

    Did that make you happy to talk about ben?

    Now talk about ray, who lied and covered up facts in a double murder investigation…he also destroyed his clothes from that night. There was enough evidence for a murder charge and a conviction of obstructing justice.

    Which ones better to you?

  63. thegreatgabbert says: Jun 28, 2013 10:19 PM

    Hernandez is far less of a jerk than Lewis. At least Aaron doesn’t run around praising the Lord incessantly. Also didn’t rat out his friends to save his own ass like RAT BIRD, did.

  64. dadsource says: Jun 28, 2013 10:21 PM

    Hilarious that the only people defending Ray Lewis are Ravens fans. This just in Ravens fans- decent human beings without a jaded lust of your city’s superman- know the truth. Ray Lewis is a murderer. Cold blood, plain and simple. Because you live in the city doesn’t mean the rest of us got bad news. Nothing in the history of sports (errrrr…..OJ) compares……this guy’s arrogance of having gotten off and then talking about overcoming adversity- he left two men with the inability to overcome anything…..

    Do you think for one SECOND that another human being on the planet would try to instigate a fight with Ray Lewis? Me and 10 of my crew would be dusted by this guy.

    Ray Lewis discarded a bloody suit. Ray Lewis obstructed justice in a way that manipulated the outcome by tampering with evidence, tainting the story by bribing the guys who were ‘convicted’ (only not to be convicted- smell of a payoff) while he got to continue his career. Selfless? Selfish. If you rally behind this guy- honestly look in the mirror and see the real truth. Say out loud to yourself “Ray Lewis was completely innocent of all charges and deserved no punishment for his role in the situation.” If you can say that honestly, it’s time to buy a new moral compass…yours is hopelessly broken. 31 NFL cities and the rest of the USA agree……

  65. hooterdawg says: Jun 28, 2013 10:30 PM

    Lewis must have paid plenty to keep the mouths of his accomplices shut. I wonder if anyone has traced the lives of those accomplices to see how they fared in their lives. I think the court system has denied bail to Hernandez to make it more difficult for him to arrange silence from his accomplices. Sure, offers can be made through third parties, but under strong prosecution heat and threats, Hernandez will fade into the background rather than be a fixture in the foreground of obstruction.

  66. thejuddstir says: Jun 28, 2013 11:16 PM

    If Ray Lewis were indeed not guilty of murder……then why the need to “obstruct justice” and not tell what you know….after all you’re innocent right??? For O.J. it was “if it doesn’t fit you must acquit” and for Ray it was , “if you can’t find my white suit the case gets the boot”. Don’t fool yourself Ravens fans, Ray is guilty as hell and all his “praise the lord” smack talk isn’t gonna save his azz from going to hell.

  67. anonymousraven1 says: Jun 28, 2013 11:19 PM

    To me, the IMMENSE amount of good that Ray Lewis has done since Atlanta outweighs initially lying to the police about his and his friends’ self-defense. That may not be a popular opinion, but to me, assisting thousands of people is greater than initially wanting to protect your buddies from getting the rap for defending themselves after being attacked outside a club. Go on and cast stones.

  68. bobhk says: Jun 28, 2013 11:28 PM

    I don’t like the pats but
    they are definitely classier that ratbirds.

    never liked Lewis. his whole shtick sounds fake.

    which employer keeps an employee who pleads guilty on charges of obstruction of justice.

  69. forthelove says: Jun 28, 2013 11:42 PM

    Look, in the Hernandez/Lewis comparisons there is a key difference here that nobody is mentioning. One of these guys was a young player at the top of his game, redefining his very position, and had a super bright decade-worth of playing ahead of him. And the other guy was Ray Lewis. Oh wait..

  70. glen907 says: Jun 29, 2013 1:00 AM

    oh, and for all you Ravens fans to like to tell others to “learn the facts”, the facts are these: Ray Lewis was involved in a fight wherein two men were killed. He actively covered up the incident and ultimately plead guilty to obstructing a homicide investigation. What am I missing?
    ———-

    The facts you are missing is that the 2 men who was eventually prosecuted in the case were found not guilty by reason of self defense; and also the D.A. himself stated that the only reason they charged Ray was to squeeze info out of him which they was successful doing by the way

  71. bmorelady says: Jun 29, 2013 1:02 AM

    I find it amazing that everyone goes right back to Ray Lewis after 13 years. The D.A. in Atlanta had much more information than all of you and they made the deal. Have a problem with it? Contact the Atlanta D.A. You ignore the fact THAT BOTH MEN CHARGED WITH THE MURDER WERE ACQUITTED when it was ruled as self-defense. Regardless, who cares what you think of Ray? He did just fine in his career even with you hating him. He also never got in any other trouble. Trouble seems to be Hernandez’s middle name since college. He should have received counseling or something along with his contract. Oh..and jimmylions, learn how to spell, especially if you’re trying to be insulting. His name is RAY LEWIS, not Ray Lewise. And, heyitsmejosh, the Patriots are not a classy organization. They cheat and Belicheat is a sore loser.

  72. inallsincerity says: Jun 29, 2013 3:30 AM

    Apples and oranges…
    Ray Lewis’ case: club brawl between two sides that spilled out into the street and resulted in two stabbing deaths. Bloody clothing discarded, trial & not guilty verdicts, apology, monetary payment to victim’s families.
    Hernandez’s case: club brawl that resulted in three murders, one in which occured a year later. Gun missing, cell phone AND home surveillance system destroyed, trial & probable guilty verdicts (I predict plea deal), NO APOLOGY, multiple lawsuits filed.

    Billick should have never let himself to get backed into a corner. All he needed to say was that these are different cases, different circumstances and in all probability, there will be different results. The most important thing is that there are families that have lost loved ones and their lives will be changed forever.
    None of us can judge Ray Lewis or Aaron Hernandez. However, judging by some of these comments, I do sense that some of the Pats fans on here are still smarting from that playoff loss last season and the Ravens winning the Super Bowl…HA!

  73. timsizzle83 says: Jun 29, 2013 5:03 AM

    Lewis wasn’t identified in the actual physical altercation by any of the eye witnesses testimonials. He was guilty of helping his friends leave the scene of a justifiable homicide and letting the justice system scare him into taking an unnecessary charge by charging him with murder. They played ray from the beginning, he would of walked clean just as the guys who did the stabbing have. He took the charge because he initially didn’t cooperarate, he realized that if the defendants were convicted he would def face jailtime just for being a part of their leaving the scene. Rather than take that chance they offered him a buy-out with him also testifying as an eyewitness, he did testify, I don’t know how everyone has such a misconception about that. If someone got blood all over an all white suit that you owned, why would you hold onto it? Its trash at that point, does anyone actually think logically anymore? “Until he gives up the white suit he’s a murderer in my eyes. ” You’re special in my eyes sunshine.

  74. denverdude7 says: Jun 29, 2013 5:19 AM

    So when does the NFL’s investigation of what the Patriots knew and when they knew it begin?

    Am I the only one who finds it a little odd that the Patriots cut Hernandez before the charges were even announced?

    I say this only because of the fact that Ray Lewis was once in a similar situation and was subsequently convicted of obstruction of justice before moving on to a long career. This leads me to believe that the Patriots were informed of the charges before they were announced by a few hours at least or had knowledge of Hernandez’ activities much earlier.

    I bring this up because if Patriots management had any knowledge of Hernandez’ activities prior to the alleged murder and failed to share the information with the authorities then shouldn’t they also be facing charges?

  75. greenmeattruck says: Jun 29, 2013 7:11 AM

    I still wanna know… what happened to the white suit Ray-Ray?

  76. Joemontanaflacco says: Jun 29, 2013 7:35 AM

    “Hernandez is far less of a jerk than Lewis. At least Aaron doesn’t run around praising the Lord incessantly. Also didn’t rat out his friends to save his own ass like RAT BIRD, did.”

    Nice to see that some of the posters are sticking up for street gangs and organized crime, and condemning those who embrace religion and come clean about crimes they have witnessed or been a part of. Sad.

  77. Nofoolnodrool says: Jun 29, 2013 7:48 AM

    Joemontanaflacco says:
    Jun 28, 2013 9:02 PM
    So Odin Lloyd was the aggressor and he was killed in self defense? No? Then why are you even comparing these cases? To give the Patriot and Steeler Zombies more dead horse flesh to feed on, I suppose.

    35 23 The Zombies are actually fans of the Ravens where murder is ok as long as it results in a Lombardi. Not just Pats and Steeler fans commenting. Open your eyes homer and realize the Ravens are not respected because of their lack of ethics as evidenced by the comments here and so many of the threads this past week. The horse involvement here is the horse droppings used to explain your support for somebody who tried to prevent justice from being done.

  78. greenbloodking says: Jun 29, 2013 7:51 AM

    If you apply the same logic to everything then we’d better get rid of Big Ben too. You know he was accused of rape but they didn’t have enough proof so he got off. Because from the way it was put in the article, all you have to do is be accused of a crime and you should be ousted. If the proof isn’t there, then it isn’t there. Ray Lewis has spent all of his years since his legal trouble being an upstanding citizen giving honor and glory to God, encouragement and passion to his team mates, and support and advice to the youth… But people still villainize him. But that’s the way it goes. The simple minded will hear 10 things about a person, 9 of them are great things and 1 is bad, and they will believe the bad and dismiss the good. The fact of the matter is unless we put serious money into building a Delorian, we will never know for sure… So what’s the point?

  79. erikinhell says: Jun 29, 2013 8:21 AM

    I don’t like to see these two incidents compared, as they are so different. Hernandez is obviously just a scumbag. It’s a shame there’s no death penalty up there.

    Lewis is a much worse scumbag. I don’t think for a second that he killed anyone. I do think he knows who did. He supposedly destroyed evidence, accepted a plea deal to testify, and then because he couldn’t be charged with obstruction again, he lied on the witness stand. He knows how those 2 guys died, and he’s hidden it from the families for over 10 years. Hopefully one day he’ll realize that he’s completely false in his faith and that his entire life, other than being a football player, is nothing more than a lie.

  80. ghostofspeedyduncan says: Jun 29, 2013 8:30 AM

    Hey Aaron, ESPN is calling. They’re keeping a spot open for you on Gameday in case you’re acquitted. You can sit next to Ray Ray

  81. Nofoolnodrool says: Jun 29, 2013 8:54 AM

    jayv27 says:
    Jun 28, 2013 9:21 PM
    How exactly did the steelers embrace Big Ben after his second rape accusation?

    21 10
    Report comment. What does Ben have to do with either AH or Ray Lewis . Nothing other than you want to compare facts and fiction. He
    Wasn’t greeted warmly had his butt chewed by his bosses and the fans in the paper. He is viewed with very mixed emotions, but no one died because of his alleged “rapes”

  82. diehardgiantsfan says: Jun 29, 2013 9:10 AM

    “And, if Ray Lewis was this awful human being as Florio implies daily, why has he not been in any criminal activity since then? Hmm? Care to explain Mike? 14 years is a long time. If Lewis were a bad dude, he’d have messed up by now.”

    He has been tailed by the FBI ever since the murder. It’s not a choice for him to be a good citizen.

  83. Nofoolnodrool says: Jun 29, 2013 9:29 AM

    Nofoolnodrool says:
    Jun 29, 2013 7:48 AM
    Joemontanaflacco says:
    Jun 28, 2013 9:02 PM
    So Odin Lloyd was the aggressor and he was killed in self defense? No? Then why are you even comparing these cases? To give the Patriot and Steeler Zombies more dead horse flesh to feed on, I suppose.

    35 23 The Zombies are actually fans of the Ravens where murder is ok as long as it results in a Lombardi. Not just Pats and Steeler fans commenting. Open your eyes homer and realize the Ravens are not respected because of their lack of ethics as evidenced by the comments here and so many of the threads this past week. The horse involvement here is the horse droppings used to explain your support for somebody who tried to prevent justice from being done.

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  84. joe6606 says: Jun 29, 2013 9:32 AM

    The reality is that if Lewis committed his crime today, as opposed to fifteen years ago, he would be locked up in a jail for life.

    In today’s world of increased electronic surveillance, coupled with the increased use of texts, twitter, etc.. I guarantee the authorities would have been able to gather enough evidence to support a murder 1 conviction, and would not have been forced to offer a low end plea deal.

    He better never end up in the HOF

  85. scoobies05 says: Jun 29, 2013 9:35 AM

    since when is defending yourself in an attack that resulted in the deaths of the attackers murder?
    and no…no one died as a result of those alleged rapes. they just have to live with the memories of being forced into a bathroom and having to do things against their will while others guarded the doors so he could have his way with them…allegedly

  86. raybguilty says: Jun 29, 2013 9:35 AM

    Hi my name is Rae Louis and yes, I did it
    and hid it. Instead of breaking surveillance cameras and cellphones, I turn on the religious talk for a wonderful smoke screen to give the NFL the opportunity to turn a blind eye to the situation. Surprisingly enough it worked and I was actually viewed as a person of character. Now I get to ride off into the sunset on ESPN.
    I’ve got it made. Since deep down I am a sociopath, I really don’t have to worry about guilt getting the best of me and turning myself in.

  87. gimmeabruschi says: Jun 29, 2013 9:42 AM

    Lewis paid off big bucks in two lawsuits and obstructed justice because he’s so innocent. We all know that’s what innocent people do, right?

  88. eagles512 says: Jun 29, 2013 9:52 AM

    Not a Lewis fan-think he’s a hypocrite. But to act like these cases are really similar is a huge leap.

  89. jintsfan says: Jun 29, 2013 9:53 AM

    You’ve got to admit, deservedly or not, society made out big time by reducing the charges. Ray Lewis is likely the most positive influential figures the NFL has ever known. Countless (ex) players will tell you how Lewis took time out to counsel them to the point thay they are better people today. He donated countless dollars and time to the Community and other charities. He’s a leader of men with a positive message. Sometimes the system gets it right or gets lucky.

  90. fubar5150 says: Jun 29, 2013 10:06 AM

    Sometimes killers get away with tricking everyone around them. Because they all of a sudden find god. That blood will always be on his hands.

  91. Nofoolnodrool says: Jun 29, 2013 10:07 AM

    since when is defending yourself in an attack that resulted in the deaths of the attackers murder?
    and no…no one died as a result of those alleged rapes. they just have to live with the memories of being forced into a bathroom and having to do things against their will while others guarded the doors so he could have his way with them…allegedly

    0 0 They just have to live…..yup they just have to breath unlike the two you so easily dismiss to defend your idol. Tough week on this site for you Ray defenders as one post of mine had 600 ups to 100 downs…..I am not alone which you seem to think. The world outside of Baltimores inner harbor Is not as gullible as you think. The more he is defended the worse you Raven fans look because of AH and how the Pats handled it. Been telling you this for a year ….sigh oh well have fun defending your guy, but get some rest it must be tiring. Lol

  92. tsizzlesucks says: Jun 29, 2013 10:18 AM

    Now Brian, do you have to have it spelled out to you why you have never gotten another head coaching job again! I’m sure your view on the murder of two people by Ray and his crew might have something to do with it…maybe just a little.
    And if the HOF committee votes that clown Lewis in, then the NFL can present an accomplice to murder to it’s incoming draft class every year. Isn’t that a great idea…here guys, be like Ray!
    There is no difference between these two football players as far as real guilt or innocence and I’m thrilled both are out of a sport I love!

  93. teambringitstrong says: Jun 29, 2013 10:21 AM

    darkglobe1 says: Jun 28, 2013 8:19 PM

    oh, and for all you Ravens fans to like to tell others to “learn the facts”, the facts are these: Ray Lewis was involved in a fight wherein two men were killed. He actively covered up the incident and ultimately plead guilty to obstructing a homicide investigation. What am I missing?
    ————————————————————-
    What you are missing is the ‘fight’ was self defense.
    This is why the other two defendants were found innocent b/c of self defense.
    And he didn’t plead guilt to obstructing a homicide investigation, he plead guilt to obstruction of justice.

    Good grief people are so stupid.

  94. teambringitstrong says: Jun 29, 2013 10:22 AM

    mrwalterisgod says: Jun 28, 2013 7:04 PM

    Look, I know this is hard for a failed lawyer to understand (cough cough Florio) but NOBODY was convicted in that case, so obviously there wasn’t all this evidence that he claims there was.

    And, if Ray Lewis was this awful human being as Florio implies daily, why has he not been in any criminal activity since then? Hmm? Care to explain Mike? 14 years is a long time. If Lewis were a bad dude, he’d have messed up by now.

    Sorry you are such a hack of a writer and failed lawyer.

    ———————————————————–
    Failed lawyer huh? Tell me, what law school did you attend and what bar certifications did you or do you hold now?
    That’s what I thought. Would rather be a ‘failed lawyer’ than a life failure.

  95. ynotred says: Jun 29, 2013 10:42 AM

    One guy used his right to defend himself and the other guy executed someone to cover up a drive by shooting and shot another person in the face and left them to die. But yeah the cases are exactly alike if you ignore the facts. Maybe not a failed lawyer but a hack writer is fairly accurate when it comes to the Ray Lewis case.

  96. @Cereal_22 says: Jun 29, 2013 10:43 AM

    Facts: The courts ruled that it was either kill or be killed regarding the Ray Lewis trial. Nobody was convicted because Lewis & his crew were jumped & were acting in self defense. The victims families sued Lewis because he is rich & he settled because his lawyers told him to do so.

  97. @Cereal_22 says: Jun 29, 2013 10:48 AM

    1. The courts ruled that Lewis & the other defendants acted in self defense, there was no murder.

    2. Ray Lewis’ friends went to jail to protect him – This is in a lot of blogs and opinion pieces. It’s just not true. No one in this case went to jail.

    3. Ray Lewis refused to testify against his friends in the murder trial – It’s the opposite. Ray Lewis started the trial at the table with Oakley and Sweeting. He flipped, pleading down to an obstruction of justice charge in exchange for testimony. Lewis was the state’s star witness. Some sources say the three men were no longer friends because of the alleged betrayal. Ironically, the only person to serve any sentence in this case at all was Lewis. Had he not flipped, he likely would have walked away with the same acquittal as the other defendants.

    4. The murders were never solved – This is written a lot, along with something to the effect that no other suspects were ever arrested. It doesn’t seem to be in dispute that Oakley and Sweeting killed Baker and Lollar. The jury found that it was self defense after only a few hours of deliberation.

    5. Ray Lewis is a murderer – Ray wasn’t involved in the fight that killed the two men. His companions were. Lewis wanted no part of the fight, but not for some moral or noble reason. He wanted to avoid the conflict because he was concerned it might hurt his NFL career. Throughout the process, Lewis seemed consumed with protecting his then burgeoning NFL superstar status. He made them promise silence in the limo afterward and lied to police the morning after. He flipped on his buddies to avoid scrutiny.

  98. Nofoolnodrool says: Jun 29, 2013 10:59 AM

    @Cereal_22 says:
    Jun 29, 2013 10:48 AM
    1. The courts ruled that Lewis & the other defendants acted in self defense, there was no murder.

    2. Ray Lewis’ friends went to jail to protect him – This is in a lot of blogs and opinion pieces. It’s just not true. No one in this case went to jail.

    3. Ray Lewis refused to testify against his friends in the murder trial – It’s the opposite. Ray Lewis started the trial at the table with Oakley and Sweeting. He flipped, pleading down to an obstruction of justice charge in exchange for testimony. Lewis was the state’s star witness. Some sources say the three men were no longer friends because of the alleged betrayal. Ironically, the only person to serve any sentence in this case at all was Lewis. Had he not flipped, he likely would have walked away with the same acquittal as the other defendants.

    4. The murders were never solved – This is written a lot, along with something to the effect that no other suspects were ever arrested. It doesn’t seem to be in dispute that Oakley and Sweeting killed Baker and Lollar. The jury found that it was self defense after only a few hours of deliberation.

    5. Ray Lewis is a murderer – Ray wasn’t involved in the fight that killed the two men. His companions were. Lewis wanted no part of the fight, but not for some moral or noble reason. He wanted to avoid the conflict because he was concerned it might hurt his NFL career. Throughout the process, Lewis seemed consumed with protecting his then burgeoning NFL superstar status. He made them promise silence in the limo afterward and lied to police the morning after. He flipped on his buddies to avoid scrutiny.

    1 0
    Report comment. Nice little narrative but why no comment on a missing white suit? I guess lying to the police during an investigation is acceptable behavior in your world but to the majority in this country it is frowned upon. The only people testifying were from one point of view the other was silenced, but hey that’s Ravensrules…..but I got that from point one….

  99. therealtrenches says: Jun 29, 2013 11:16 AM

    “Overall Innocence” might be the lamest rationalization I’ve ever read.

  100. notoriousbuc says: Jun 29, 2013 11:41 AM

    Hern should have subcontracted it out like Rae Carruth. Oh wait, that didn’t work out too well, either

  101. vbbills says: Jun 29, 2013 11:47 AM

    The man was convicted of obstructing justice. One of the ways he did this was by discarding everything he was wearing that night, including a mink.

    Would the outcome of the case been different if prosecutors obtained the garments he was wearing? Garments possibly ripe with forensic evidence (or not). Maybe, maybe not…

    I’ll be a Ray-believer when he answers two questions:
    What happened to the clothes you were wearing and why did you feel the need to get rid of them?

    Simple questions that an honorable man should have no problem answering, imo.

  102. rmw10 says: Jun 29, 2013 11:52 AM

    ….and the suit “disappeared”, how convenient. He must have felt guilty about something to hide it somewhere and lie to the police about it. But, let’s ignore that…right?

    —————————————

    And how does that equate to murder? Yeah the suit disappeared, probably because it did get blood on it from one of his friends. I’m not saying he didn’t make a poor decision, but he’s not a murderer. He tried to protect his career.

    Keep ignoring the facts that Ray Lewis was NOT seen until after both men had been stabbed, a story that held true between 4+ witnesses.

  103. rmc1995 says: Jun 29, 2013 12:12 PM

    Ray Lewis was the star witness against the two other defendants, which was another terrible miscalculation by the prosecution. Ray’s testimony did little but confirm there was a fight in self defense. The victim’s attacked Ray and his companions with a champagne bottle to the head to start the brawl.

    Ray’s white suit would have given evidence that he was at the scene of the crime where people died. Considering that the prosecution already had eye witnesses that Lewis was at the scene and was trying to break up the fight, and there was the victim’s blood in the limo, the white suit evidence would not have provided any more evidence other than Ray Lewis was wearing a white suit.

  104. Nofoolnodrool says: Jun 29, 2013 12:46 PM

    oh, and for all you Ravens fans to like to tell others to “learn the facts”, the facts are these: Ray Lewis was involved in a fight wherein two men were killed. He actively covered up the incident and ultimately plead guilty to obstructing a homicide investigation. What am I missing?
    ————————————————————-
    What you are missing is the ‘fight’ was self defense.
    This is why the other two defendants were found innocent b/c of self defense.
    And he didn’t plead guilt to obstructing a homicide investigation, he plead guilt to obstruction of justice.

    Good grief people are so stupid.

    Isn’t a homicide investigation seeking justice? Just checking on your thought process….stupid.

  105. thesportgenius says: Jun 29, 2013 1:20 PM

    Son of Sam, Charles Manson, Jeffry Dalmer, Hanibil Lechter, Aaron Hernandez…

  106. Joemontanaflacco says: Jun 29, 2013 1:35 PM

    “The Zombies are actually fans of the Ravens where murder is ok as long as it results in a Lombardi.”

    Yes, Nofool, you hit the nail on the head. When the Atlanta prosecutors looked at the Ravens’ potential roster that year, they had no choice but to dismiss the murder charges because they knew that the Ravens would win the SB and that was more important. How did they know this? Because the had a crystal ball, silly! Why did they want to the Ravens to win the SB and not the Falcons? Because they were possessed by the devil. I mean, it’s all pretty obvious. I can’t believe Nofool is the only one to figure it out.

  107. Stiller43 says: Jun 29, 2013 1:48 PM

    Greenbloodking,

    Ray lewis – charged with murder (convicted of obstructing justice)

    Big ben – never any evidence to warrant any arrest for any crime

    Not sure where your comparison holds any kind of weight.

  108. Nofoolnodrool says: Jun 29, 2013 1:56 PM

    Joemontanaflacco says:
    Jun 29, 2013 1:35 PM
    “The Zombies are actually fans of the Ravens where murder is ok as long as it results in a Lombardi.”

    Yes, Nofool, you hit the nail on the head. When the Atlanta prosecutors looked at the Ravens’ potential roster that year, they had no choice but to dismiss the murder charges because they knew that the Ravens would win the SB and that was more important. How did they know this? Because the had a crystal ball, silly! Why did they want to the Ravens to win the SB and not the Falcons? Because they were possessed by the devil. I mean, it’s all pretty obvious. I can’t believe Nofool is the only one to figure it out.

    0 0 One of your most profound posts. Not worth a comment.

  109. darkglobe1 says: Jun 29, 2013 8:16 PM

    you Raven fans are so stupid. First, defendants are not found to be “innocent there found to be not guilty. They were found not guilty largely because Ray Lewis obstructed justice and destroyed evidence. But go ahead and keep defending him and sounding more ignorant, it fits you so well.

  110. joshua8625 says: Jun 29, 2013 9:23 PM

    The only thing I see that Ray did wrong was lie to the police. He probably lied to them being an African American Male and scared that the police would abuse there power like they tend to do with just African Americans but other Minority sometimes even White people. Also seem like he could have be protecting his friends from something they did Blood on the suit could have gotten on him any kind of way from his friend rushing to the limo, etc because at the fight that many witnesses said it was self defense and the fight was 2 on 2. So I agree Ray should just came out and told the cops he was there and he witness the fight instead of trying to protect his 2 dumb ass friends because now they will think he was a part of the murders. Then he even got punished for lying you at like he just got of Scott free like O.J or something. Then Paying the the 2 Families for their loses that just a type of thing Ray does he always cared about others. Name any famous or rich person doing that after being accused and going though all that not many. I think the reason why people are so Hostile towards him is because he famous and he won most the time we want them to fail when it comes to that or you are so use to famous people actually getting convicted that when one doesn’t its couldn’t be true.

  111. bmorerealist says: Jul 1, 2013 9:41 AM

    First off, let me say that, Yes I am a Ravens and Ray Lewis(the football player) fan. Secondly, how about we all stop arguing about who sucks and which organization is classy or not. If you have issue with the results of the Ray Lewis investigation and subsequent results, then make your appeal to the justice system of the USA. Obviously the prosecutors and court felt there was not enough evidence to continue a trial and convicted no one of murder. Let’s all wait for the results of the Hernandez case before we compare and complain.

  112. Kyarn.Vishara says: Jul 1, 2013 2:56 PM

    Who cares about an obstruction of justice charge? Are you serious? You guys act as if the justice system works most of the time and people get their just desserts for their involvements in a crime. On that same thought, somehow Ray Lewis because he’s a Hall of Fame player and one of the best defenders in NFL history is getting off because of his abilities.

    Isn’t it usually the opposite? Many NFL players are used as scapegoats and marytrs for the justice system, made to set an example for the rest of us due to their high profile, fame and fortune alone.

    I don’t see anyone here getting gung ho about the rapists and murderers, pedophiles and drug dealers who routinely get off charges in court because our justice system demands that a jury of our peers unanimously believe that they must be guilty beyond any shadow of reasonable doubt in order for us to take away their freedom, life and liberty. Once it’s done it cannot be undone.

    Once your a felon, your always a felon. That’s why we have this imperfect justice system in place. If there’s any real possibility that someone didn’t commit the crime, aka. Ray Lewis in Atlanta, they are quick to offer a plea bargain, stet docket, or null process the entire proceedings.

    Now tell me how that and Hernandez’s situations are similar. I’d say they are as similar as heaven and hell.

    Don’t cry wolf to me, nobody is buying your bs. The life of an innocent? Don’t make me laugh. People are killed by drunk drivers every day and yet nobody demands they get sent away for murder.

    As I said before, everyone wants to act like they are the defenders of justice, ONLY in a case like this.

  113. ravensmike410 says: Jul 2, 2013 10:09 AM

    People never cease to amaze me with the Ray Lewis story. Yes, Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction, because he didn’t cooperate initially. But, he paid his dues when it came to that decision. No one ever contended that Ray Lewis actually killed anyone, but the law allows for you to be charged with murder if you were with someone who did commit murder. Ultimately, it was ruled self defense on the part of Lewis’ buddies.

  114. poohbear32084 says: Jul 6, 2013 5:23 PM

    You call the Patriots a classy organization? Not only did the cheat but they got caught cheating. I don’t see the Ravens cheating!! The Ravens are defiantly more classy than the Patriots!!. Besides in this country there is a thing called innocent until proven guilty. So leave the past in the past. Lewis was not proven guilty so in my eyes he is still innocent. Please leave this Lewis stuff in the past once and for all!!

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