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Prosecutors still won’t say whether Hernandez was the shooter

Ernest Wallace AP

Prosecutors have continued to dance around the question of whether they believe Aaron Hernandez pulled the trigger on the gun that fired bullets that killed Odin Lloyd.  Again on Monday, the chief law enforcement officer in Bristol County declined to specify whether Hernandez was the shooter.

According to Kevin Manahan of USA Today, District Attorney Samuel Sutter avoided the issue.

“All we’ve done is charge Aaron Hernandez with murder,” Sutter said after Ernest Wallace (pictured) was arraigned on charges of being an accessory after the fact.  “As far as the specifics about who was the shooter and who might have been a joint venturer, it’s too early to say.  The investigation is ongoing.  There’s a probable cause hearing [for Hernandez] scheduled for two weeks, and our case continues to grow.”

When Hernandez was arraigned 12 days ago, prosecutor Bill McCauley said only that Hernandez “orchestrated” the murder of Lloyd.  Hernandez could still be guilty of murder without actually killing Lloyd, if Hernandez ordered one of the other two men who were with him — Wallace and Carlos Ortiz — to open fire.

It’s believed that Ortiz has “flipped” on Hernandez.  If so, the prosecutors know who killed Lloyd.  Or, more accurately, they know who Ortiz claims killed Lloyd.

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45 Responses to “Prosecutors still won’t say whether Hernandez was the shooter”
  1. jonasgrumbyoftx says: Jul 9, 2013 12:06 AM

    Course not. investigation incomplete. No surprise.

  2. kramer12 says: Jul 9, 2013 12:07 AM

    aren’t they prohibited from disclosing additional info

  3. sc49ers says: Jul 9, 2013 12:10 AM

    What ever comes out of this the mom of oldin will b happy..but i think 81 did order to kill him or he did it him self why would need so many guns in your hoMe for..but in all he is paying for there lawyers..

  4. granadafan says: Jul 9, 2013 12:13 AM

    This makes sense. Why give the slimy defense lawyers any ammunition (so to speak)?

  5. thegreatgabbert says: Jul 9, 2013 12:13 AM

    Carlos can point his finger. But there will be two pointing back at him.

    Feds compromised their case by dragging the Florida incident and the Mass. incident into it, I believe. If one or both of those situations proves unfounded, or it is too difficult to connect Hernandez to them, a jury is going to be skeptical about what they say in regards to Lloyd as well.

  6. eastsideballa says: Jul 9, 2013 12:14 AM

    Hernandez needs some Islam in his life.

  7. youarejealousof6rings says: Jul 9, 2013 12:14 AM

    Also, I heard the Pacers were looking for a shooter. He might get another shot.

  8. nekelund says: Jul 9, 2013 12:15 AM

    As long as one of them shot and killed Lloyd and they went there together and formed the common intent to shoot him, legally they are all just as guilty of murder. That said, the prosecution still has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that one of them intentionally shot and killed Lloyd and that there was the requisite intent of the parties involved, whether they pulled the trigger or not (depending on exactly what each person gets charged with, different elements may have to be proven for each person).

  9. wayconthemexican says: Jul 9, 2013 12:19 AM

    Have they recovered the actual murder weapon yet? If not, that could be the reason why they haven’t confirmed it.

  10. gloryfromheaven says: Jul 9, 2013 12:20 AM

    For a second I thought that was Marshall Faulk lol

  11. picksix401 says: Jul 9, 2013 12:21 AM

    hope hernando packed his slamma pajamas!

  12. firestarter0728 says: Jul 9, 2013 12:26 AM

    I wonder if AH was holding that gun sideways as he pulled the trigger.

  13. drgreenstreak says: Jul 9, 2013 12:28 AM

    Hernandez called an audible?

  14. iced107 says: Jul 9, 2013 12:29 AM

    Awesome gag order judge , its clearly working

  15. kevincrathbun says: Jul 9, 2013 12:31 AM

    Does it freaking matter whether he pulled the trigger or watched the trigger be pulled?!

  16. bigdon76 says: Jul 9, 2013 12:41 AM

    DA aint got no case. When he is more concerned about who is defending the suspects then oh I dont know finding facts out about the crime. DA wishes he was facing a public defender. Then he could just show up and not have to work. #curruptsystem #curruptgovernment

  17. badintent says: Jul 9, 2013 1:05 AM

    And the plea bargain is what ? New identity , no jail time, new life in Cleveland. ? This court just hands Aaron over to the next court of double murder and then that court does the same for the face shooting.Look for Aaron to be in courts for 3-5 years. He’ll get enough years to equal Bernie Madoof

  18. sharkt says: Jul 9, 2013 1:13 AM

    sc49ers:

    What ever comes out of this the mom of oldin will b happy..

    _____________________

    No doubt Oldin’s mom is just giddy….

  19. pbolyard says: Jul 9, 2013 1:15 AM

    I think at this point I would be shocked if he wasn’t the shooter. I mean if he isn’t guilty there is still no way he can come back from this mess in football or everyday life.

  20. kzoo2cali says: Jul 9, 2013 1:59 AM

    Now the trick for the prosecution is to flip Wallace as well. If he can separately corroborate Ortiz’ story, then it’s a done deal. Combine that with all of the circumstantial evidence, and Hernandez is history.

  21. steelersandladyboysfan says: Jul 9, 2013 2:04 AM

    He might suit up for the Bengals this season after all.

  22. lostsok says: Jul 9, 2013 2:07 AM

    I can’t help but think the prosecutors are well aware of the fumbles in OJ and other trials. They are playing close to the vest for good reason.

  23. captainwisdom8888 says: Jul 9, 2013 2:10 AM

    No amount of guilty verdicts will make Odin Lloyd’s mother “happy” about this situation.

  24. kevinravens1 says: Jul 9, 2013 2:22 AM

    We do know one thing: “You done messed up AAron.”

  25. tacowrecker says: Jul 9, 2013 2:25 AM

    A-Hern and his crew are total dbags. Still, even though I firmly believe they’re guilty, I expect Hernandez to walk. His multi-million dollar defense team will unearth a racist cop or a sloppy detective or find some BS loophole and that will be that. They’ll get a mistrial or hung jury and the dbags will go free. State employees can’t compete with the ultra rich and their lawyer dream teams. Hell, they let OJ walk…….right to Vegas to commit armed robbery. If they couldn’t convict scum like OJ, I don’t see them getting A-Hern either.

  26. lagg1 says: Jul 9, 2013 4:27 AM

    Good move by the prosecution. Why show your hand and limit your charges? The defense could delay this case a year which thins the jury pool’s memory. The authorities have enough to hold Hernandez. As the defense delays, Ortiz or Wallace could break down and ask for a deal.

  27. floratiotime says: Jul 9, 2013 5:07 AM

    Here’s a hint … yes.

  28. rationalitybias says: Jul 9, 2013 6:01 AM

    They might not know who pulled the trigger. Each one is likely blaming the other two until a better plea is presented. If they find the gun, the location of it may point in the direction of the shooter. Such a shame the family has to be reminded of their loss every day.

  29. malibu67 says: Jul 9, 2013 6:01 AM

    “It’s believed that Ortiz has “flipped” on Hernandez. ”

    If AH was the reported leader of his gang, he wasn’t very good at it. If this was Tony Soprano’s gang, Someone with No Name would have been sent by No One to pay a visit to Ortiz and told to shut his pie-hole – message received. Just sayin.

  30. 6thsense79 says: Jul 9, 2013 7:09 AM

    sc49ers says:
    Jul 9, 2013 12:10 AM
    What ever comes out of this the mom of oldin will b happy..but i think 81 did order to kill him or he did it him self why would need so many guns in your hoMe for..but in all he is paying for there lawyers..
    —–
    Not sure how you can say the mother of a murdered man will be happy “What ever comes of this”

  31. jiggy3198 says: Jul 9, 2013 7:31 AM

    Theoretically I read the more I’m convinced AH will not be convicted of the murder. I do not know all the facts but as a bystander I hope they have a lot of evidence as reasonable doubt does not seem so unreasonable now

  32. petehemlock says: Jul 9, 2013 7:34 AM

    This case needs a grassy knoll.

  33. jh4prez says: Jul 9, 2013 7:53 AM

    Hes no longer in the league right?hes nfl dead.lets try and keep it football.

  34. hodag54501 says: Jul 9, 2013 8:00 AM

    I don’t know if it is on the books in Massachusetts, but in many states there’s a statute called “Party To the Crime of 1st Degree Intentional Homicide”. It has the same penalties as the actual act.
    In short, if you’re there helping with the crime it’s the same as if you pulled the trigger.

    “This makes sense. Why give the slimy defense lawyers any ammunition ”

    Defense lawyers are always slimy…until you need one.

  35. matrychapcox says: Jul 9, 2013 8:05 AM

    let me help…

    >slimy defense lawyers
    >slimy lawyers
    >lawyers
    ??????
    >profit

  36. losangelesbillsofbuffalo says: Jul 9, 2013 8:39 AM

    Ernest Wallace, who was the child depicted in the movie “Junior”, which was loosely based on a true story starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito, was raised poorly by his actual fathers – Carl Winslow and Gary Coleman.

  37. whatnojets says: Jul 9, 2013 8:44 AM

    granadafan says: Jul 9, 2013 12:13 AM
    This makes sense. Why give the slimy defense lawyers any ammunition (so to speak)?
    ————————————————–

    I hope that you never will need the services of “slimy defense lawyers”!!

  38. jimmyt says: Jul 9, 2013 8:50 AM

    sc49ers, can we have that once more…in English this time?

  39. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Jul 9, 2013 9:01 AM

    It’s still under investigation. They may have one guy’s testimony that Hernandez pulled the trigger, but I’m sure they’d like more evidence than that before they start declaring it publicly.

  40. wjarvis says: Jul 9, 2013 9:58 AM

    From a legal standpoint I don’t think it really matters if he shot him or not. As long as they prove he’s an accomplice and not an accessory to the murder he can be charged and convicted of murder even if they had evidence that he wasn’t the shooter.

  41. steveb9995 says: Jul 9, 2013 10:12 AM

    Headline fail. Should say, “Prosecutors still won’t say whether THEY BELIEVE Hernandez was the shooter”.

    They don’t decide that. The jury does. Innocent until proven guilty…

  42. bennyb82 says: Jul 9, 2013 10:53 AM

    Why does it feel like the trial has already started? Wasn’t there a gag order? Not that I do not like staying informed…

  43. duffelbagsports says: Jul 9, 2013 11:35 AM

    Remember this all he needs is ONE juror. Given the idiots who were outside the courtroom chanting innocent you don’t think there’s one of the 12 who will shout GIVE US BARABBAS!

  44. pinion8ted says: Jul 9, 2013 11:47 AM

    As stupid as Hernandez has been, and as much of a trail as he has left, I can’t believe he would have called in two witnesses from out of state to come and be witnesses to his murdering Lloyd.

    Makes zero sense.

    If he were going to pull the trigger, he wouldn’t want to have these two around to point the finger at him.

    No, he called them in so one of them could do the dirty work

  45. wjarvis says: Jul 9, 2013 1:18 PM

    I stand corrected, I didn’t know that an accomplice in Mass is charged with 2nd degree murder and not 1st. I guess whether he shot or not will have a much larger impact on his sentencing than I thought.

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