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Affidavit confirms Ortiz flipped on Hernandez, told them the whole story

Carlos Ortiz AP

On Tuesday, limited snippets of an affidavit filed in a Florida court emerged, via the Associated Press.  And while the information published by the AP was accurate, it was hardly complete.

Albert Breer of NFL Network has passed along the entire affidavit, and it paints a much more comprehensive picture of what Carlos Ortiz said, and when and where he said it.

Basically, Ortiz said everything he knows.

As of Tuesday, June 25, Ortiz was on probation.  He showed up that day for a previously-scheduled meeting with his probation officer.  When Ortiz got there, he learned that there was another purpose for that day’s meeting.

Investigators provided Ortiz with the so-called Miranda warnings (“you have the right to remain silent . . .”), and Ortiz nevertheless agreed to speak.  Both the video and audio were recorded.

Ortiz said that he and Wallace arrived at Hernandez’s home in North Attleboro just after midnight on June 17, 2013.  Hernandez and Shayanna Jenkins weren’t home; a babysitter let Wallace and Ortiz into the home.

Ortiz saw “a small and large handgun” in the home, and when Hernandez returned with Jenkins, Ortiz saw Hernandez “carrying a handgun.”

The three men — Hernandez, Ortiz, and Wallace — left the home at 1:09 a.m., stopping once for gas and then picking up Odin Lloyd and traveling back to North Attleboro.

Ortiz told police that, on the drive back, “he overheard Mr. Hernandez state directly to Mr. Lloyd that he was ‘chilling’ with people that [Hernandez] had problems with.”  Ortiz said that Hernandez and Lloyd “made up by ‘shaking hands’ and added that ‘it’ was squashed.”

Ortiz then fell asleep.  He woke up when the vehicle stopped, and Ortiz saw the other three men — Hernandez, Wallace, and Lloyd — get out of the car “to urinate.”

Ortiz then heard gunshots.

Hernandez and Wallace got back in to the car “without Mr. Lloyd,” and the vehicle “fled” the scene.

Because he had been asleep and stayed in the car, Ortiz didn’t know who had fired the shots, which makes Monday’s report that Wallace told Ortiz that Hernandez fired the shots now more sensible.

When the vehicle returned to Hernandez’s house, Wallace asked Ortiz to get a small gun located under the rear of the driver’s seat.  Ortiz got the gun, carried it inside, and gave it to Hernandez.

Ortiz said that he then went back to sleep.

The affidavit confirms that it was Ortiz who told police about the things Hernandez said to Lloyd in the car, but Ortiz’s version as explained in the affidavit differs from the representations made in court by prosecutor Bill McCauley during Hernandez’s arraignment.  For example, McCauley mentioned that Hernandez spoke about not being able to trust anyone, and that Hernandez wasn’t upset about Lloyd “chilling” with people Hernandez had issues with but that Lloyd had actually said something to them that called his trustworthiness in to question.  Also, McCauley said nothing about Hernandez and Lloyd making up.

Still, if Ortiz repeats his story in court, it will be very hard to overcome the clear and complete picture it paints.  While Hernandez’s lawyers surely will try to paint Ortiz as a liar, the reality is that Hernandez specifically asked Ortiz and Wallace to come to Massachusetts from Connecticut.  As a practical matter, Hernandez is pretty much stuck with whatever Ortiz says happened, unless Hernandez and Wallace plan to offer an alternative explanation on the witness stand at trial.

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151 Responses to “Affidavit confirms Ortiz flipped on Hernandez, told them the whole story”
  1. goraidersgospurs says: Jul 10, 2013 1:06 PM

    nice knowing you Ortiz, ill see you at the cross roads!!!

  2. jdphx says: Jul 10, 2013 1:07 PM

    Ahhh… the old I-was-asleep-and-didn’t-see-anything
    defense.

  3. acosltl says: Jul 10, 2013 1:08 PM

    Boy he sure seemed to be very clueless and tired…so innocent.

  4. tacowrecker says: Jul 10, 2013 1:11 PM

    A-Hern’s D-bag lawyers will find some way to get him off. If they couldn’t convict OJ then they won’t be able to get Hernandez either

  5. jetslakersfan says: Jul 10, 2013 1:12 PM

    Ortiz went back to sleep right after the shotting? Really? That sounds fishy.

  6. telergy says: Jul 10, 2013 1:13 PM

    hahah yeah he awoke from gunshots and no one was talking about what went down when they got back in the car?

    someones lying

    get him to tell the story in reverse…liars cant recount stories backwards – LIE TO ME

  7. unobarry says: Jul 10, 2013 1:14 PM

    So this guy just stays asleep after knowing someone was murdered?

  8. topauthority says: Jul 10, 2013 1:14 PM

    case closed. yo aaron, don’t drop the soap!

  9. CKL says: Jul 10, 2013 1:15 PM

    OK how drugged /mellow/inured to violence up close is Ortiz that he could fall asleep AFTER they returned to the car minus one occupant after he heard shots? And then again after being told to hand over a gun?

  10. romeisburningtfb says: Jul 10, 2013 1:15 PM

    Woops

  11. nflcrimerankingscom says: Jul 10, 2013 1:16 PM

    Hernandez already flipped…the safety lock on his gun.

  12. 4daytheory says: Jul 10, 2013 1:17 PM

    Why are they getting out to pee a mile from Hernandez’s house?

  13. slette says: Jul 10, 2013 1:19 PM

    How much turkey and Nyquil did this guy have that day? “Here’s your handgun, Aaron. G’night.”

  14. surfinbird1 says: Jul 10, 2013 1:20 PM

    Rats on a sinking ship.

  15. pgilbert15303 says: Jul 10, 2013 1:22 PM

    I’m so jealous! I can’t sleep to save my life, while Mr. Ortiz hears a gun shot and Mr. Olden does not return? I would be up all night wondering if I was next… Hey A.H. I think I’ll crash at the Ho Jo’s on Hwy. 95… Gulp.

  16. kingmj4891 says: Jul 10, 2013 1:22 PM

    jetslakersfan says:
    Jul 10, 2013 1:12 PM
    Ortiz went back to sleep right after the shotting? Really? That sounds fishy.

    unobarry says:
    Jul 10, 2013 1:14 PM
    So this guy just stays asleep after knowing someone was murdered?

    CKL says:
    Jul 10, 2013 1:15 PM
    OK how drugged /mellow/inured to violence up close is Ortiz that he could fall asleep AFTER they returned to the car minus one occupant after he heard shots? And then again after being told to hand over a gun?

    ______________________________

    Unless hearing someone get shot is just another day at work for Mr. Ortiz.

  17. walkinginthewasteland says: Jul 10, 2013 1:23 PM

    So, when did they stop for Bubblicious?

  18. tacowrecker says: Jul 10, 2013 1:25 PM

    This seems like a pathetic attempt to tell (mostly) what happened, but to leave himself out of it, by someone who isn’t all that smart. He knows what happened because he was right there with them when they shot that guy, NOT asleep in the car like he wishes he was. I guess he’s hoping that by being “asleep” he won’t have to tell everything or be charged as an accessory.

  19. henryjones20 says: Jul 10, 2013 1:25 PM

    yeah he was asleep then woke up to gunshots then went back to sleep.lol yeah that’s funny

  20. camp1746 says: Jul 10, 2013 1:26 PM

    SNITCHES END UP IN DITCHES

  21. stephen031 says: Jul 10, 2013 1:26 PM

    Expect his jail cell to magically explode or his food to have deadly poison in it in 3.. 2..

  22. gdive says: Jul 10, 2013 1:27 PM

    I get the feeling Ortiz is getting some stiches.

  23. bmoreravens1012013 says: Jul 10, 2013 1:27 PM

    I have a feeling we will never get down to exactly what was said and why Hernandez wanted Lloyd dead. Right now its he said she said.

  24. wwttww says: Jul 10, 2013 1:27 PM

    The “asleep tactic” doesn’t even work in the car with drunks….more or less murderers.

  25. whatnojets says: Jul 10, 2013 1:28 PM

    I already posted that hours ago!!

  26. blackandbluedivision says: Jul 10, 2013 1:29 PM

    unobarry says:
    Jul 10, 2013 1:14 PM
    So this guy just stays asleep after knowing someone was murdered?
    ____________________________

    Yea, if you have two murders in the car.

    Unless they ran back to the car scared as if someone else shot the other guy. Then its safe to say that one of the two shot Lloyd and unless you want to be next…there is nothing to talk about. You don’t piss off a guy with a gun who just killed someone.

  27. chawkup says: Jul 10, 2013 1:31 PM

    So now Hernandez and Wallace tell the following story:
    1. AH had complained about Lloyd a few times that night, but AH never wanted to or planned to kill him over a silly argument from two nights ago.
    2. Ortiz believe that AH wanted Lloyd dead and was desperate to please AH, whom he was financially beholden to.
    3. Ortiz asked to stop the car so he could urinate.
    4. Ortiz and Lloyd stepped out of the car to urinate.
    5. Ortiz shot and killed Lloyd. Wallace and AH were surprised and scared, so they tried to cover the evidence.

    2 witnesses against 1.

    Reasonable doubt?

  28. skoobyfl says: Jul 10, 2013 1:32 PM

    So their going to believe this guy on probation ?? How did he get on probation, being an angel ?? AH was hanging with the wrong crowd, that’s all I hear.

  29. ringheadcrusher says: Jul 10, 2013 1:34 PM

    It’s entirely possible Ortiz was so wasted that he was passed out, and couldn’t help himself from going “back to sleep,” and/or was in no condition to even ask questionsd about the gunshots at the time. Large-caliber gunshots are extremely loud, and would have awakened him for just long enough to register what the noise was. But it wouldn’t KEEP him awake.

    That’s a plausible argument but I don’t even buy my own speculation. These guys are all scum.

  30. brettfavresmidget says: Jul 10, 2013 1:35 PM

    Mama Hernandez: “My baby would never engage in public urination!”

  31. irishking says: Jul 10, 2013 1:36 PM

    Ortiz is brilliant….a true genius. It’s lights out for Hernandez for at least 25 years.

  32. biggs13 says: Jul 10, 2013 1:37 PM

    You’re about to shoot someone? I’m gonna take a nap.

    You need me to grab a gun and bring it to you? Ok, but then I’m gonna take a nap.

    Wtf?

  33. needle379 says: Jul 10, 2013 1:38 PM

    What he meant to say was not that he was asleep, but that he has Really stoned and didnt know what just happened

  34. jwh8541 says: Jul 10, 2013 1:41 PM

    skoobyfl you’re way in denial dude must be a patty. Juries convict people every day based on testimony from some “guy on probation”.

    I seen enough First 48 to know this idiots attempt to distance himself from the murder by claiming to be asleep is meaningless. He put himself at the scene, he’s gonna get convicted of murder too.

  35. Nofoolnodrool says: Jul 10, 2013 1:41 PM

    What I hear is AH didn’t pay enough for silence like Ray Ray did.

  36. lovefootball4life says: Jul 10, 2013 1:42 PM

    Keep up the research Florio. As the picture unfolds this is getting as good as any summer movie.

  37. tacowrecker says: Jul 10, 2013 1:43 PM

    Just reading the texts between A-Hern and Lloyd and making a few inferences based on what they say, it sounds like this was about drugs and money. I think Lloyd was selling drugs for Hernandez and owed him some money. Bet Hernandez was putting quite a few of those game checks back out on the street just like Sam Hurd, trying double or triple them. Throwing away a multi-million dollar job to sell dope and shoot people like a hood rat is just ridiculous. What a dbag.

  38. skinsfaninok says: Jul 10, 2013 1:45 PM

    he’s lying, all of that doesn’t add up.

    He “fell asleep” Yeah ok

    they peed outside? right by AH ‘s home?

    Then he falls asleep right after he just finds out a man was killed? Nah

  39. stillers1229 says: Jul 10, 2013 1:46 PM

    This guy seems trustworthy.

  40. geo1113 says: Jul 10, 2013 1:47 PM

    At first, I thought it was strange that someone who knew a urder was committed would go back to sleep. However, someone who has seen a murder before might not be so disturbed.

    As for AH hanging with the wrong crowd, he is the wrong crowd. Birds of a feather.

  41. baddegg says: Jul 10, 2013 1:47 PM

    Why is “to urinate” in quotation marks?

    Did they urinate or not?

  42. Kaz says: Jul 10, 2013 1:47 PM

    Someone from earlier comments about the case said this and I think it should be repeated. When the media uses terms like flipped or snitched or ratted out it makes people like Ortiz seem bad. It’s no wonder you can’t get people who witnessed or know of a crime talk.

    It’s cool for street cred to keep your mouth shut and nobody wants to be a snitch, but when the media plays into it it only hurts in the long run. Ortiz isn’t innocent, but hopefully the media doesn’t potray him as a snitch etc. Stay above that and leave that talk to crime riddled places with people who live by the no snitch laws, and in turn suffer from crime filled neighborhoods.

  43. elway6532 says: Jul 10, 2013 1:47 PM

    who could go back to sleep that quick after thinking someone you were with was just murdered? Wow.

  44. whysomanylosers says: Jul 10, 2013 1:48 PM

    walkinginthewasteland says:
    Jul 10, 2013 1:23 PM
    So, when did they stop for Bubblicious?
    ________________________________

    Those homies like Bubble Yum… big difference.

    *** He went to “sleep” because he knew that was a good thing to do at the time. At that point who wants to question AH what happened knowing there are several loaded guns floating around and he probably just offed someone?

  45. fdugrad says: Jul 10, 2013 1:48 PM

    Dum-De- Dum-Dum…The following incident was taken from the actual records of the local and state police. The names of the guilty have NOT been omitted to protect their identities.

  46. goodellisruiningtheleague says: Jul 10, 2013 1:49 PM

    4daytheory says:
    Jul 10, 2013 1:17 PM
    Why are they getting out to pee a mile from Hernandez’s house?

    ————————————————————–

    I’ve gotten out to use the bathroom closer than a mile from my house. Guess I’m a murderer?

  47. ilovefoolsball says: Jul 10, 2013 1:50 PM

    Hello beautiful mugshot.

  48. flip2300 says: Jul 10, 2013 1:51 PM

    SO the dude heard a gunshot and one of the dudes never came back and he went back to sleep. How doesnt this wake you the F up…. some peeps you with just killed somebody and you act like “oh thats normal im just gonna catch some zzzzzzzzz’s”

  49. whynotusecommonsense says: Jul 10, 2013 1:52 PM

    4daytheory says: Jul 10, 2013 1:17 PM

    Why are they getting out to pee a mile from Hernandez’s house?
    ——————————————————
    Um, so they could kill the guy. While they did some dumb things to cover it up, they weren’t dumb enough to kill him in the house.

  50. theuglitruth says: Jul 10, 2013 1:53 PM

    It’s a wrap for AH. Now, if AH actually peed before he shot Lloyd….DNA will get him. Then match the tire tracks…it will only get deeper for AH now!

  51. tinopuno says: Jul 10, 2013 1:54 PM

    camp1746 says: Jul 10, 2013 1:26 PM

    SNITCHES END UP IN DITCHES
    —————————————————–

    Yet another tough guy cliche that puts the fear of God into anyone thinking of being a ‘snitch’.

    And the ‘caps’ make it even more threatening. This kind of inside perspective could only come from a hardened criminal.

  52. stonedwhitetrash says: Jul 10, 2013 1:55 PM

    I have been around violence most of my life but for a man to risk millions of dollars simply because he enjoys killing others is hard to understand this man is truly an evil sick person

  53. gloomysmitty says: Jul 10, 2013 1:59 PM

    This story gets more funny by the min

  54. iknowwhatimtalkingabout says: Jul 10, 2013 1:59 PM

    its gonna be interesting to see if they buy his story! C’mon man! you really think its believable that ortiz fell asleep but knew they were getting out to pee and magically sleeps through shooting just to wake up to hernandez asking for a gun w/o lloyd present… Idk seems fishy

  55. winkeroni says: Jul 10, 2013 2:00 PM

    Aaron Hernandez sees to be right about one thing. He can’t trust anyone.

  56. gloomysmitty says: Jul 10, 2013 2:01 PM

    Also if he is sleep how does he know they got out the car to pee let me guess they killed him and he woke up and said what’s going on and they said man we had to pee lol

  57. bigdubba says: Jul 10, 2013 2:03 PM

    burn ‘em all

  58. staff2cj says: Jul 10, 2013 2:04 PM

    Ortiz, watch your back you rat!!

  59. nopepper123 says: Jul 10, 2013 2:05 PM

    When the vehicle returned to Hernandez’s house, Wallace asked Ortiz to get a small gun located under the rear of the driver’s seat. Ortiz got the gun, carried it inside, and gave it to Hernandez.

    Ortiz said that he then went back to sleep.

    Wouldn’t you think after a murder, he would ask lots more questions instead of falling back asleep? That’s kind of an event that keeps one up a little bit………

  60. rubicon202 says: Jul 10, 2013 2:06 PM

    Oh and he happened to go to sleep right before a murder, oh hey Ortiz while you were sleeping we got some Doritos, Pepsi oh and we smoked Lloyd, C’mon man, really, he conveniently fell asleep? Yeah believe that if you want Jimmy Crack Corn…

  61. cfeeley52 says: Jul 10, 2013 2:07 PM

    Nofoolnodrool says:
    Jul 10, 2013 1:41 PM
    What I hear is AH didn’t pay enough for silence like Ray Ray did.
    ———————————-
    Did this article mention Ray Lewis one time??? You’re the one always chastising people for not commenting on the article, why don’t you take your own advice troll…

  62. geefan1 says: Jul 10, 2013 2:11 PM

    “Still, if Ortiz repeats his story in court, it will be very hard to overcome the clear and complete picture it paints.”

    ______________

    So Ortiz claims he never got out of the car, and then gives an explanation for why is finger prints are on the murder weapon.

    I’m not sure that’s quite as clear as you’re making it sound.

  63. sammysushi says: Jul 10, 2013 2:12 PM

    Ruh roh… according to Radar Online, Shayanna went to bed early on June 16, but Ortiz says she and Aaron were out past midnight, returning sometime early June 17.

    “She told police she was home with Hernandez on June 16, 2013 and that they had gone out to dinner. She went to bed early but Aaron went out, although she did not know whom he went out with or what time he came home.”

    More incentive for prosecutors to fight any attempt at marriage. Shayanna is gonna be worth questioning further. What did she know and when did she know it??

  64. stlunatik says: Jul 10, 2013 2:15 PM

    Ortiz is a dirty rat. won’t make it a week in the joint

  65. tharoostah says: Jul 10, 2013 2:15 PM

    I can’t believe any of you believe this guy. He told the story in the only possible way that could explain why he was their but not admit to knowing they were going to kill Lloyd or being involved in it.

    -He came to Aarons house that night to help him kill Loyde
    -Lloyd sensed danger and would not have gotten out to pee, the 3 of them forced him out to murder in order to murder him.

    Oritz did not flip, he told the story in the way that he could get the least blame possible and somehow it has worked so far.

  66. furdiddy says: Jul 10, 2013 2:16 PM

    Can you please link to where the affidavits are found online so we can read them all??

  67. jacunn2000 says: Jul 10, 2013 2:17 PM

    You can always trust a man with a “Neck Tattoo”…

  68. ninerfan81 says: Jul 10, 2013 2:17 PM

    Stinks like a rat, they are all guilty of murder and should be all tried as such.

  69. blueberrymuffin11 says: Jul 10, 2013 2:18 PM

    Why on earth would you drive all the way to Connecticut, pick up your victim and drive him a mile from your doorstep and THEN kill him?? Wonder how thus would have played out had they shot him at HIS doorstep. Also- what happened to the fun Sleepy handed over to Hernandez? Are both their fingerprints on it?,

  70. theuglitruth says: Jul 10, 2013 2:20 PM

    baddegg says: Jul 10, 2013 1:47 PM

    Why is “to urinate” in quotation marks?

    Did they urinate or not?

    =============================

    Because it was an excuse to get him out of the car.

  71. tacowrecker says: Jul 10, 2013 2:21 PM

    Kaz says: Jul 10, 2013 1:47 PM
    “Stay above that and leave that talk to crime riddled places with people who live by the no snitch laws, and in turn suffer from crime filled neighborhoods.”
    ———————————————————-
    While I agree, I think it’s important to note that the only ones who complain about crime are the victims. The perpetrators love it. A neighborhood full of criminals would likely have it no other way. Sad but true.

  72. tharoostah says: Jul 10, 2013 2:21 PM

    Somehow Ortiz was the smartest guy their. If told any other story (IE he came up to help Hernandez kill Loyde, and cover it up) then he would be going down for murder as well. Cops have video evidence of him being there with a gun so there is no sense of lying about that. So, he told the story in the only way he could explain being their with a gun, but not being involved in the murder. If he sticks to his story he may end up with only a gun charge, when in reality he is guilty of murder in the first degree regardless of who pulled the trigger. He drove to Aarons house to help him murder someone, then he helped him murder someone.

  73. poridge1214 says: Jul 10, 2013 2:22 PM

    I get the feeling, Ortiz is giving this story so that AH will get off. It’s completely unbelievable, and will be refuted by AH and Wallace. Since Ortiz is cooperating, he’s already getting off light, so the reasonable doubt his story will create, when compared to AH and Wallace’s version, will be a win/win/win for all parties.

    So Ortiz comes to the house with Wallace and sees 2 guns (2 guys 2 guns), then AH comes in with another gun (3 guys 3 guns), then they go for a ride and pick up a 4th dude. Ortiz is so lax about the fact that there are enough guns in the car for everyone but Lloyd, that he “falls asleep” during the car ride? Waking just in time to see guys pee’ing and hears gunshots? And then back at the house, he “retreives the 3rd gun form the car”….which he apparently wants us to think he had no idea was in the car? These guys are gang-brothers…no way he flips and goes back home to the gang. He’s creating a story that when told in court, will make the prosecution look amateur.

    These scumbags might just get off.

  74. draculalambert says: Jul 10, 2013 2:24 PM

    this guy is a dead ringer for coco crisp.

  75. doggeatdogg says: Jul 10, 2013 2:32 PM

    Didn’t they find the vehicle at the murder site? Who brought the car to the scene? And when they got back to the house Ortiz to sleep in the presence of a murderer and his accomplice who just capped off a ‘friend.’ I bet AH regrets leaving witnesses behind. Immunity for Ortiz because he is making he case for the prosecution, 5 to 10 for Wallace as an accessory after the fact. Life for AH as sole planner and trigger man. His lawyers will have a hard time convincing anyone he is being framed.

  76. tharoostah says: Jul 10, 2013 2:32 PM

    The DA has to get their act together and charge all 3 of these guys with murder otherwise they will botch this case. No jury is going to believe Ortiz’s stupid story about being asleep and them getting out to urinate, so the DA can’t pretend to believe it. All 3 men forced Lloyd out of the car, who sensed danger and texted his sister. Ortiz and Wallace are 1st degree murderers regardless of who pulled the trigger. They went in knowing that Loyde was going to be killed and to help cover it up. If they let Ortiz off with a gun charge, he will eventually be helping someone else cover up murder.

  77. judalation says: Jul 10, 2013 2:33 PM

    @ tacowrecker The ONLY reason why OJ got released was because the cops CLEARLY tried to frame him by planting blood on his sox and Glove… That made all the other overwhelming evidence that clearly showed that OJ was a killer suspicious to the Jury. When the cops are caught framing a suspect its almost always going to lead to a not guilty verdict.

    Hernandez is screwed!

  78. tacowrecker says: Jul 10, 2013 2:37 PM

    This whole “getting married in jail” thing is just garbage. I could see-MAYBE-your wife not having to testify if you were ALREADY married when the crime was committed or when the arrest was made, but marriage as a legal defense strategy is just absolute BS. In no way should we allow someone to get married as a means of silencing witnesses.

  79. steeelfann says: Jul 10, 2013 2:39 PM

    Mommy Hernandez: “They are obviously smearing my son and trying to frame him. We raised him right and there is no way he could do this or anything like it. He doesn’t do no drugs either. Guns, goodness sakes, he never touched a gun growing up. Give me a break, and leave my boy alone”.

  80. rushmatic says: Jul 10, 2013 2:41 PM

    Seems as though sleep comes fairly easy for this guy after hearing gunshots and returning home with one less person.

  81. harrycanyon says: Jul 10, 2013 2:42 PM

    It’s funny how a lot of comment are acting as if the they think the dude really slept thru this. He SAID he slept thru it, to not tell parts of the story. As far as this crime goes, they are all guilty of something, accessory to, or murder. Since they all wanted to try and hide it together, let them ALL spend their lives in jail for it. Unless some mystery , invisible car comes forward that was at the death scene and undetected by the cameras, these guys are guilty.

  82. jmak79 says: Jul 10, 2013 2:43 PM

    Im no gun expert, but it will be hard to explain how a shell casing in is in the car you say you are sleeping in!

    These are all sick indiviuals playing gangster games.

  83. trollingforjustice says: Jul 10, 2013 2:43 PM

    I have just a couple of questions maybe someone can answer. 1) did they really pee first before doing the deadly deed? 2) is there any way they could use the urine on the ground for DNA check to place them at the scene?

  84. hpeters77 says: Jul 10, 2013 2:44 PM

    So u hear a gunshot, then your boy comes up missing then u fall back to sleep. Sounds believable to me

  85. doe22us says: Jul 10, 2013 2:44 PM

    poridge1214 says:
    Jul 10, 2013 2:22 PM
    I get the feeling, Ortiz is giving this story so that AH will get off. It’s completely unbelievable, and will be refuted by AH and Wallace. Since Ortiz is cooperating, he’s already getting off light, so the reasonable doubt his story will create, when compared to AH and Wallace’s version, will be a win/win/win for all parties.

    Say what?? Nice imagination though, now go back to your conspiracies.

  86. brettfavresmidget says: Jul 10, 2013 2:45 PM

    baddegg says:
    Jul 10, 2013 1:47 PM
    Why is “to urinate” in quotation marks?

    Did they urinate or not?
    _____________________________

    They are alleged to have urinated.

  87. steelcurtainn says: Jul 10, 2013 2:47 PM

    It sounds to me like Ortiz is telling the truth. I am not convinced he was sleeping though. Hernandez is the culprit here and he should go down for all of this evilness.

  88. rajbais says: Jul 10, 2013 2:48 PM

    A few strange things that I would like to bring up.

    1. What caused Ortiz to fall asleep after leaving Hernandez’s home and traveling for less than one mile?

    2. The three men who went to go “urinate” at the industrial park couldn’t pee at the house before leaving? It’s less than a mile away. Go to the bathroom before driving.

  89. glazerh8er says: Jul 10, 2013 2:49 PM

    something doesn’t smell right here I can tell because I’m smart, but Drew Brees needs and explanation from Tiki Barber who is flabergasted by this. (funniest post ever)

  90. rajbais says: Jul 10, 2013 2:51 PM

    How the hell can we find Ortiz credible when says that they decided to go “urinate” when they were less than a mile away?

    The urge to go to the bathroom didn’t kick in soon enough when all of them were at home?

  91. brettfavresmidget says: Jul 10, 2013 2:51 PM

    theuglitruth says:
    Jul 10, 2013 2:20 PM
    baddegg says: Jul 10, 2013 1:47 PM

    Why is “to urinate” in quotation marks?

    Did they urinate or not?

    =============================

    Because it was an excuse to get him out of the car.
    ____________________________________

    AH: Hey guys, I’ve gotta pee…who wants to come with?

  92. orivar says: Jul 10, 2013 2:52 PM

    “I don’t always go to sleep, but when I do I do it right after hearing gunshots coming from close proximity.”

    ..Who does he think he’s fooling? Nobody believes that!

  93. mrrmiyagi says: Jul 10, 2013 2:53 PM

    That’s enough of the BS. All these guys are scumbags. Hang em all and clean up the human kind a bit.

  94. rayburns says: Jul 10, 2013 2:53 PM

    “leave the gun, take the cannoli”

  95. youarejealousof6rings says: Jul 10, 2013 2:55 PM

    “Investigators provided Ortiz with the so-called Miranda warnings (“you have the right to remain silent . . .”), and Ortiz nevertheless agreed to speak. Both the video and audio were recorded.”
    ___________________________________

    LOL, what a dummy. Hopefully his testimony will be able to keep Hernandez behind bars, because if not, he’ll be next.

  96. footbal1q says: Jul 10, 2013 2:59 PM

    Like Charles Ramsey would say Deeeeaaaaaddddd Givaway!

  97. duffelbagsports says: Jul 10, 2013 3:00 PM

    Can we just say Whitey Bulger did it and give us our receiver back?

  98. hscdaw says: Jul 10, 2013 3:00 PM

    Both the defense and prosecution will have a field day with this criminal. Not only will the defense argue you can’t trust his character, I guarantee Ortiz was under the influence of drugs/alcohol during the whole incident. AH better hope the PD doesn’t recover the murder weapon.

  99. steelerben says: Jul 10, 2013 3:03 PM

    Replace “feel asleep” with “passed out drunk” and the story makes a bit more sense. Remember it is after 1AM, and if you’ve been doing some dedicated drinking you’d be pretty bombed at that point. It would also explain why getting out of the car a mile from home to pee makes perfect sense. It explains why not asking about Lloyd getting back in the care makes sense. It explains why passing out after getting the gun from the car makes sense.

    That said, not a chance this is the actual way it went down.

    The only way it went down this way is if Hernandez and Wallace deliberately drugged Ortiz to set him up for the whole murder. He wouldn’t have his wits about him to know exactly what happened and then you have two against one testimony to frame him.

  100. elway6532 says: Jul 10, 2013 3:04 PM

    How tall is Ortiz? Do they go by the top of his head or the hair? Man, that’s like an extra four inches.

  101. whatjusthapped says: Jul 10, 2013 3:06 PM

    What I will never understand is that if you are going out of your way to kill somebody and you have your friends with you, why not dump the body in a spot where nobody will find it for years? There would have been a missing persons report for the guy but nobody would be talking about murder if they never find the body.

    Secondly, if you are going to kill somebody and not dump the body, why do it a mile from home? I would think nobody is that dumb but we are talking about a U of FLA grad here.

  102. bmoreravens1012013 says: Jul 10, 2013 3:07 PM

    Nofoolnodrool says: Jul 10, 2013 1:41 PM What I hear is AH didn’t pay enough for silence like Ray Ray did
    —————————————-
    If you didn’t have so much of an axe to grind against the Ravens , I would at least respect your opinions. You sit there in troll anything Ravens and display your lack of intelligence.

  103. wiley16350 says: Jul 10, 2013 3:08 PM

    I feel like a lot of you guys really missed what Ortiz said.

    First, he said that he fell asleep after Hernandez and Lloyd made up. If the ride was long enough and Hernandez and Lloyd made up quickly, then it isn’t out of the realm of possibility.

    Second, he said he woke up when the car stopped. Not after the gunshots or after the guys got back in the car. It is possible that Hernandez decided to keep Ortiz out of the loop and just tell him they were going to “urinate”. Ortiz may have actually believed that because of the previously mentioned making up.

    Thirdly, Ortiz claimed he went to sleep after getting back to the house, not right after the gunshots. While, Ortiz may have not went straight to sleep, it is possible that he went to bed to avoid as much implication with the murder as possible.

    Do we know that Ortiz and Wallace knew they were going down to kill Lloyd or is it possible they were going down to rough him up. Do we know exactly what Ortiz and Wallace knew about why they were going to see Hernandez?

    It is possible that Ortiz is lying through his teeth. It is also possible that his account is true. Some of you just seemingly got what he said a little distorted.

  104. ccshocktalk says: Jul 10, 2013 3:09 PM

    Ortiz will be the next person in this case to have a random accident, and Hernandez will walk.

    No murder weapon, no match between the casings found at the crime scene and the gun that Hernandez suposedly used.

    Your only witness has already lied every time that the police talked to him.

    You have gum and cell phone pings that put Hernandez in that same spot…whose to say that Hernandez had the phone that night? Perhaps he was on his cell phone driving by spit out his bubble gum and went home to “brandish” his gun and look tough in the mirror?

    Bottom line, if the glove didn’t fit sentence got OJ out, hell there isn’t even a murder weapon to tie to Hernandez…good luck prosecutor, you’re going to need it.

  105. kpettas123 says: Jul 10, 2013 3:10 PM

    Oh REALLY Ortiz????????? And I suppose the check is in the mail!!!!!

  106. arackowski says: Jul 10, 2013 3:12 PM

    When I read this it says to me that Ortiz was the triggerman. The whole alibi of sleeping through things which would not be possible for 99.999% of humans (goodfellas isnt real life). Ortiz did it and is trying to pin this on Hernandez.

    I believe the 3 of the guys got out to pee. It is at that point that Ortiz, willing to do anything for Hernandez, who probably keeps Ortiz happy by spending his money on him, pulls the trigger. Maybe it was ordered by Hernandez, maybe not.

    That explains the other part of the story that doesnt add up – spent shells inside of the rental car. The shots had to be fired (at least one of them) from inside the car. Also – by saying Hernandez sent him to go grab the weapon, Ortiz is now creating his alibi for why his finger prints were on the weapon.

    Hernandez is guilty of something….but I doubt it is of pulling the trigger

  107. lawyermalloy says: Jul 10, 2013 3:14 PM

    Wallace v. Hernandez for being shooter. He with the best lawyer wins!

  108. keylimelight says: Jul 10, 2013 3:15 PM

    The ease and confidence with which the 3rd stooge, Wallace, gave himself to authorities in Florida suggests to me that he was not the trigger man.

    Now we have this ham-handed story from stooge number 2, Ortiz, that distances himself from the actual shooting–regardless of how lame the excuse– suggesting that he was not the shooter either.

    So that leaves a strong impression that stooges 2 and 3 are fingering stooge number 1 –Hernandez– as Odin’s murderer.

    It looks bad for AH and to think we don’t even have all the facts that the prosecution has collected: footprints at the scene, phone records, gunpowder on clothing, ballistics, DNA, interview with others at the nightclub, etc, etc, etc.

  109. thelastwordyaheard says: Jul 10, 2013 3:17 PM

    all that weed makes Carlos sleeeeepy

  110. @Cereal_22 says: Jul 10, 2013 3:25 PM

    He looks like a real trustworthy guy, the prosecution should have no problem convicting Hernandez.

  111. b3nz0z says: Jul 10, 2013 3:26 PM

    i’m no expert on opiates, but how else could you go back to sleep after two of your friends shot one of your friends during a peepee stop?

  112. bengalsucker says: Jul 10, 2013 3:27 PM

    So you mean to tell me this guy wakes up to a shooting that happens. Grabs a gun for someone at their request. Then goes back to sleep? He’s either really stupid or he just doesn’t care. How does someone, even the hardest of criminals, not have some adrenaline pumping enough to stay awake after a shooting occured? Something is up with this guy.

  113. mrgroovesd says: Jul 10, 2013 3:30 PM

    Goes back to sleep huh…good story but snitches get left in ditches or stitches in prison. Enjoy Ortiz.

  114. geo1113 says: Jul 10, 2013 3:32 PM

    elway6532 says:
    Jul 10, 2013 3:04 PM
    How tall is Ortiz? Do they go by the top of his head or the hair? Man, that’s like an extra four inches.

    ————

    Fletch…6’5…6’9 with the afro.

  115. dolphindad says: Jul 10, 2013 3:36 PM

    wow. if AH did pull the trigger and Ortiz was a witness, he is going to ruin the case by exaggerating the story beyond believability. he needs to say exactly what really happened without embellishment quickly or its going to be over. no jury is going to believe his story. he may cost the prosecution the case even if AH really did do it.

  116. pdfiore says: Jul 10, 2013 3:36 PM

    Someone please track down and talk to the guys in the strip club that AH had problems with / that Lloyd was chillin with. Would love to hear what the beef was – if they’re still alive…

  117. ninerfan81 says: Jul 10, 2013 3:38 PM

    Translation, “If I did pull the trigger, I know I dont have the funds to defend myself, so let me get out in front of this and say the super star pulled the trigger while cutting a deal…” problem with all of this he said she said is one thing, Hernandez has the attorney’s to discredit these guys AND there’s no gun to get physical evidence. Now its the NFL guy’s opinion against the loser’s opinion. Who do you believe? I dont believe any of them, they should all be charged with murder 1…First 48 Style.

  118. jefbob says: Jul 10, 2013 3:41 PM

    You all ask why did they urinate so close to Hernandez’s house?

    To kill the guy. Maybe thats why Lloyd waited until the last minute to text his sister? In the timeline I read the “NFL” tweet was right as they were getting ready to head to the industrial park. He thought it was fishy too and knew what was coming.

  119. grizzlybear54 says: Jul 10, 2013 3:45 PM

    Hmmm.
    1) as everyone mentioned, the sleeping issue is odd
    2) why would AH destroy security data?
    3) why was emergency cleaning needed?

  120. trollingforjustice says: Jul 10, 2013 3:52 PM

    I still think that drugs were involved..whether Odin was skimming from Hernandez, or a deal that went down bad, or maybe Odin was getting ready to spill to the cops over drug dealings..that would explain why AH was upset enough to kill or have him killed

  121. granadafan says: Jul 10, 2013 3:54 PM

    I hate to say it, but Hernandez’s high priced lawyers are going to have a field day with Ortiz in court. Ortiz is a convicted criminal, a fact which the Defense will hammer home to the jury with a not very believable story (sleeping!). I certainly hope this trial doesn’t go the way of OJ, Casey Anthony, Zimmerman, Robert Blake. The prosecution better have their case against Hernandez ready.

  122. jayquintana says: Jul 10, 2013 3:56 PM

    I know it’s silly to ask, but wouldn’t you think at least one of them would have been, “hey, sure, it’ll be great to kill this guy, but what if we get caught? Let’s not kill him, but give him the stink eye every time we see him from now on. How does that sound?”

  123. icebowler says: Jul 10, 2013 4:03 PM

    I still don’t understand why the Suburban SUV, rented by AH, was left at the crime scene. Why, when and by whom was it planted there? Can anyone help me out on this question.

  124. woodyc says: Jul 10, 2013 4:12 PM

    Sorry Ortiz, I’m not buying the “I was sleeping” bit. However, I could possibly accept “stoned out of my mind” or “drunk as Sh!t”.

  125. gloomysmitty says: Jul 10, 2013 4:14 PM

    Since none of Ortiz story makes any sence at all this is what I think went down AH heard that the victim was talking bad about him so he called up two goons to beat his ass once they tried to beat him up the victim started to fight back once he did that mr. Ortiz then shot him and killed him then AH destroyed all the video and cell phone and ditched the gun to protect his friends cause think about it why would AH need to call to guys from out of town just so he could kill the guy himself what he needed them to pump him up no it’s a beat down gone bad AH had the most to lose by pulling the trigger it makes no sence at all for him to call to guys just for him to say wait guys I got this one read Ortiz story it’s dumb as hell and I’m sure AH’s lawyer is lolling right now

  126. SilentMajority says: Jul 10, 2013 4:17 PM

    I believe Ortiz is telling the truth, but only because its apparent that we are not dealing with America’s brightest here… I mean you plan to murder your friend a mile away from your house?

  127. holeinone09 says: Jul 10, 2013 4:23 PM

    Frankly at this point I don’t care if prosecutors ever get the entire truth. It is already obvious from the details of the evidence such as bullet casings, the various video surveillance tapes, rental cars, etc, that “THEY” killed him, and “THEY ALL” should get life in prison. Who cares now which one(s) actually pulled the trigger or if they find the weapon(s)? THEY were all a part of the murder. Why should any of them get off without life in prison? I wouldn’t trust any of them to tell the full truth.

  128. kpettas123 says: Jul 10, 2013 4:24 PM

    hmm one of the 3 greatest lies ever.. I was asleep… I wont *^& in your mouth and the check is in the mail…What an idiot!!! This all seems to much of a set up.. Im not even a Pat fan and really never had an opinion on AH but come on his SUV at the scean… Shells in his car? WTF nobody is that DUMB!!!!!!!!

  129. icebowler says: Jul 10, 2013 4:28 PM

    Sorry, I just read the previous article to this one and it answered my above question. Evidently the Suburban wasn’t at the crime scene as originally implied, just the keys to it.

  130. usmc23112dacorps says: Jul 10, 2013 4:30 PM

    This guy must have fired the shot bc he is leaving himself out of the shooting. AH is not talking bc he doesnt want to be labeled a rat. I dont know but I think teams should get in line to sign Hernandez in a few months

  131. makenobones says: Jul 10, 2013 4:39 PM

    I don’t know about the rest of you, but the guy in that picture looks like a trustworthy individual to me.

  132. reddzen says: Jul 10, 2013 4:49 PM

    “The affidavit confirms that it was Ortiz who told police about the things Hernandez said to Lloyd in the car, but Ortiz’s version as explained in the affidavit differs from the representations made in court by prosecutor Bill McCauley during Hernandez’s arraignment. For example, McCauley mentioned that Hernandez spoke about not being able to trust anyone, and that Hernandez wasn’t upset about Lloyd “chilling” with people Hernandez had issues with but that Lloyd had actually said something to them that called his trustworthiness in to question”

    This causes no issues whatsoever between what was presented and what actually happened, if this representation is true. It’s called “how people actually speak”, and “chilling with” can have many many nuances that don’t get taught in English class. One of those nuances comes from the fact that when chilling with someone you might actually speak with them, and if some of those people who are chilling with, and presumably speaking with, have some involvement in say…past crimes (interested party, the authorities, etc.) it is not a huge leap of faith that not liking someone chilling implies a lack of trustworthiness.

    It also doesn’t matter whether they made up or not. I seem to recall Michael and Carlo made up at the end of the Godfather. Look where it got Carlo.

  133. doggeatdogg says: Jul 10, 2013 5:07 PM

    Three guns? If ballistic show the bullets came from 3 different guns, then Ortiz is hosed. But if his account is true, that he slept before and after the killing, it’s more plausible if he told the cops he ‘pretended’ sleep. This may be something you may not see in these documents but at trial. Like a poster said, why risk asking two men with guns ‘what happened’ ‘where is Lloyd’ and ‘what did you do’. He already knows by now he is a lose end, so why risk getting shot and keep Lloyd company. His story sounds plausible, like he wanted to get away in one piece.

  134. steeelfann says: Jul 10, 2013 5:10 PM

    I am sure that Ortiz rolled due to saving his own skin. But, hey, can someone, instead of calling him a snitch, pat him on the back for telling the truth about someone being murdered? Maybe Odin’s family might really appreciate it. Odin didn’t deserve it and at least Ortiz told what happened, whether Ortiz’s heart was in the right place or not.

    Hernandez is a disgusting human.

  135. ramitbaby says: Jul 10, 2013 5:57 PM

    Ortiz doesnt look like hed flip on any friend. Looks 100% loyal and trustworthy to me. Oh they offered him some rims for his Cutlass? Well that did it.

  136. filthymcnasty1 says: Jul 10, 2013 6:02 PM

    The first thing I like to do after a homicide is to finish up my nap in the back seat of the perps ride.

    So his story sounds totally legit.

  137. bendoverin says: Jul 10, 2013 6:22 PM

    Aaron it could be worse, you could be Odin.

  138. fanofevilempire says: Jul 10, 2013 7:02 PM

    I always take a nap before and after someone is murdered, hey I live in nyc.

  139. bucfandango says: Jul 10, 2013 8:28 PM

    Every move they made that night was stupid, brazen and just begging to get caught. This was the hole in the wall gang. When you plan a crime it would probably help if you had a real plan.

  140. phillies08wfc says: Jul 10, 2013 8:49 PM

    Ortiz’s story refutes what we already know (or what we think we know). First there was a shell casing inside the vehicle. Second Lloyd’s car or rental car was close to where the body was found. Finally why would AH bring in a cleaning crew to his home if the murder was committed a mile away? Also isn’t this confession a textbook definition of hearsay? Is it even admissable in a court of law?

    As a few people have already mentioned, it seems like Ortiz made up the only possible story that wouldnt implicate himself.

  141. jollyjoker2 says: Jul 10, 2013 9:36 PM

    Yeah, and after we blew the guys brains out ; I went back to bed. Dam I was tired, I mean – I hang with folks that kill every day. No big deal. Yikes….

  142. sjc8857 says: Jul 10, 2013 10:04 PM

    Unfortunately, it’s not what you know it’s what you can prove. Hernandez has a history of drug abuse and Lloyd was identified by Hernandez’s fiance as a dealer. The texts to Lloyd suggest nothing more than a drug deal gone wrong and all of the evidence seems to corroborate this. Ortiz will take the fall as the shooter and get paid handsomely by Hernandez to do so. His story already leaves himself as the only person who didn’t exit the car, which is where the shell casings were found. He also puts his fingerprints on the gun by claiming they had him bring it into the house afterwards. You don’t really think that Hernandez was that sloppy, do you?

  143. rukkus1 says: Jul 10, 2013 10:10 PM

    Someone just got blasted? Oh ok… well im tired and going back to sleep. Said no one ever….

  144. samwade611 says: Jul 10, 2013 10:28 PM

    Im sure im not posting anything new but just the fact that the writer leaves out that what wallace told ortiz happened is not likely going to be allowed in court, and im no lawyer. Also he just fell asleep again when they got back to hernandes house??lol , ok, he just heard gunshots and left a buddy in a lot but he just acts like nothings wrong!!! HA!

  145. samwade611 says: Jul 10, 2013 10:37 PM

    oh btw, everyone acts like Aaron had to have planned to kill but maybe he just went psycho at the end. Either way hes dumb but dont act like you know he planned it. The guys driving up from wherever and his texts and even bringing a gun doesnt prove he intended it all along, but it could have happened at last minute which still means 1st degree, adios!

  146. truthserum4u says: Jul 11, 2013 1:33 AM

    @ phillies08wfc

    Lloyd’s vehicle was back at his home, not at the crime scene. They know the industrial park is the crime scene because they have Hernandez’s vehicle on tape entering and leaving the area and in between time witnesses heard gun shots. I believe Lloyd’s final text to his sister is timed just before they reach the area.

    @ arackowski

    “Hernandez is guilty of something….but I doubt it is of pulling the trigger”

    Even though there’s mounting evidence he has perpetrated violence before, including firing a gun at people?

  147. truthserum4u says: Jul 11, 2013 1:44 AM

    ccshocktalk says: Jul 10, 2013 3:09 PM

    No murder weapon, no match between the casings found at the crime scene and the gun that Hernandez suposedly used.

    You have gum and cell phone pings that put Hernandez in that same spot…whose to say that Hernandez had the phone that night? Perhaps he was on his cell phone driving by spit out his bubble gum and went home to “brandish” his gun and look tough in the mirror?

    ___________________________

    How do you explain the casing found in the rental car, the same vehicle seen on tape entering and exiting the industrial park, matching the casings at the crime scene? Those tapes also invalidate your theory of Hernandez just driving by. Witnesses state they heard gun shots in between the time the tapes show Hernandez entering and exiting the industrial park. Oops!

  148. truthserum4u says: Jul 11, 2013 2:20 AM

    chawkup says: Jul 10, 2013 1:31 PM

    So now Hernandez and Wallace tell the following story:
    1. AH had complained about Lloyd a few times that night, but AH never wanted to or planned to kill him over a silly argument from two nights ago.

    (Then why did he insist on meeting Lloyd in the middle of the night? Why did he insist his goon buddies join him if he felt it was a silly argument? Why did Lloyd, while in the presence of Hernandez, feel threatened enough in the car to warn his sister he was with “NFL”?)

    2. Ortiz believe that AH wanted Lloyd dead and was desperate to please AH, whom he was financially beholden to.

    (Ortiz wouldn’t commit any act without first getting approval from Hernandez, who is essentially his boss; as Aaron’s text messages demanding Ortiz to come to his house indicate. Especially when such an act could seriously jeopardize Hernandez’s multi-million dollar livelihood. And why would Ortiz assume the murder would please Hernandez if Hernandez didn’t give such an indication?)

    3. Ortiz asked to stop the car so he could urinate.

    (Why, if Hernandez wasn’t part of the idea to kill Lloyd, would he stop at an industrial park to allow Ortiz to urinate, when he was within two minutes of his own home? The time to drive into the park would be close enough to the time it would take to get to his house that it wouldn’t make sense to do so.)

    4. Ortiz and Lloyd stepped out of the car to urinate.

    (Wouldn’t Hernandez become suspicious when Ortiz insisted Lloyd come with him? We already know Lloyd was suspicious, so it seems extremely unlikely he would, on his own, get out of the car in a deserted area. If Lloyd really had to go, wouldn’t he insist on going to Hernandez’s home?)

    5. Ortiz shot and killed Lloyd. Wallace and AH were surprised and scared, so they tried to cover the evidence.

    (Why, why, why would Hernandez participate in a cover-up, when he had no part in the crime, and jeopardize his multi-million dollar livelihood? And why not come forward with the truth when he was ultimately arrested and charged with murder?)

    2 witnesses against 1.

    (A verdict isn’t decided by the number of witnesses.)

    Reasonable doubt?

    (No, not really. Not particularly reasonable or logical.)

  149. truthserum4u says: Jul 11, 2013 2:31 AM

    The one thing that does make sense concerning Ortiz “sleeping” (or out of it do to extra curricular activities) is the explanation of how Lloyd was allowed to text.

    Everyone has been wondering how Hernandez would let Lloyd send multiple texts. Well, if Ortiz was in the back seat with Lloyd, and he was sleeping at some point, this would give Lloyd the perfect opportunity to alert his sister without being detected.

    As far as Ortiz’s participation, I think he’s painting a rosy picture of himself.

  150. db105 says: Jul 11, 2013 7:07 AM

    az says:
    It’s cool for street cred to keep your mouth shut and nobody wants to be a snitch, but when the media plays into it it only hurts in the long run. Ortiz isn’t innocent, but hopefully the media doesn’t potray him as a snitch etc. Stay above that and leave that talk to crime riddled places with people who live by the no snitch laws, and in turn suffer from crime filled neighborhoods.
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    Those same people living the crime filled neighborhoods are the first to blame and hate law enforcement for everything. I guess the barred windows and doors are to keep the cops out. Most that live in the high crime neighborhoods are less educated and most definitely irrational and illogical. These types have poor critical thinking skills and poor judgement and are very likely if on a jury to produce an inaccurate verdict.

  151. defscottyb says: Jul 15, 2013 8:51 AM

    Dude has problems, on the street or in prison. All sad

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