Art Monk, Darrell Green think Redskins should consider name change

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While there’s still only one man who currently could spark a serious debate regarding the question of whether the Redskins should do something their owner says will NEVER happen, a couple of Hall of Famers who played for the team have become the first key figures tied to the franchise to say that it’s time to consider a name change.

Both Ark Monk and Darrell Green have told WTOP radio that they think consideration of a new name is appropriate.

Monk said the issue should be “seriously considered.”

“It deserves and warrants conversation because somebody is saying, ‘Hey, this offends me,'” said Green, who was named last month by Pro Football Talk on NBCSN and PFT Planet to team’s all-time Mt. Rushmore.

No current players or employees of the franchise publicly have said the name should be changed.  Former quarterback Joe Theismann recently said the name should remain — not long before he said he’d like to become an employee of the team again.

While the opinions of Monk and Green likely won’t push the situation to critical mass, it’s more evidence of the slow but steady momentum that will continue to build until the name is changed, whether it happens in five years, 50 years, or somewhere in between.

136 responses to “Art Monk, Darrell Green think Redskins should consider name change

  1. Redskins will change name when they lose their trademark protection. I expect a challenge for the derogatory term sooner rather than later. Don’t care if name is right or wrong, it’s about money, ego, and power.

  2. With all the issues going on in our world. People worried about the Redskins changing the teams long time name, really need to get a life!

  3. Ok haters, what do you say now?

    Two of the franchise’s greatest players have spoken in favor of the name change.

    Sorry but the pressure is only going to keep building up; the name change is the only solution.

    The Washington Warriors…with a return to the late 1960s era arrow helmet.

  4. Hmm… white guys say the name should stay.

    People of color say it should go.

    Countless internet white guys angrily post comments about “political correctness”, since a name change would so directly impact them.

    USA USA USA

  5. Kudos to Monk and Green for having the balls to take an unpopular public stance at serious risk of angering Redskin and other NFL fans who balk at the idea of changing the name.

  6. Maybe they would like to rename the team the Washington Crackers. That wouldn’t offend anyone in DC.

  7. I haven’t been following this story line too much but I’ve read what Senators think, I’ve read what Art Monk thinks, I’ve read what the owner thinks. Has anyone asked the Native American community thinks? I really think they should be the ones to decide if they’re offended by the name or not. Also, if people are going to chastise the name for being racist, those same people should also be making the same push against sports analyst and commentators that use racist labels like “black quarterbacks” as opposed to “quarterbacks.”

  8. “People worried about the Redskins changing the teams long time name, really need to get a life!”

    So says the guy who read the article and commented on it. The best thing about Skins fans is they don’t see the irony of having an owner who claims antisemitism anytime he’s criticized and that, they, the fans complain that “people don’t have anything better to do” while they spend all their free time complaining about people complaining.

  9. I am very offended by the freedom of people to fly the confederate flag. To me that is a bigger issue than the Redskins name. That flag represents a dark time in this country. Instead of looking into things like that, the government is worried about one football team. HTTR!!

  10. Washington Potomacs

    The Potomacs were the original tribe there so let’s honor them.

    Keep the the helmet, logo and everything else the same.

    Problem solved.

  11. They could appease former players and critics alike by the renaming the team “The Washington Redheads” … in order to pay homage to the strength and bravery of Sonny Jurgenson.

  12. The name is racist and should be removed. Nothing says class like using a derogatory name for a race of people that have been wiped off the face of the map by the U.S. government while the U.S was making it big land grab.

  13. Seems to me all that green said was that the team should address the persons who feel offended and seriously consider a change due to that.

    Green and Monk didnt say that they felt the name should be changed

  14. If skins fans don’t give these two the tiki treatment, they are nothing more than hypocrites. Tiki called out his qb. Monk and green called out the entire franchise.

  15. Washington Corruption
    Washington Theives
    Washington Spendthrifts
    Washington Debt
    Washington Deficit

    One of those should stick, you know, to honor the people trying to make them change their name.

  16. If they do change the name, they must be forced to choose a name that is applicable to the DC area. Maybe even one that honors the Native Americans. I like the idea of Potomocs that one poster suggested since it’s applicable to the area. Please don’t go to some generic name like so many other teams were forced to do in the college ranks:

    Arkansas St. Indians – TO – Red Wolves
    Syracuse Orangemen – TO – Orange
    St. John’s Redmen – TO – Red Storm

    Those are just a few examples of teams being forced to change their name yet they changed to a horribly boring and generic nickname.

    Then there’s the regional association. Why the hell did the Utah Jazz retain their nickname when they moved from New Orleans? Or even as far back as the Lakers. When they were in Minneapolis it made perfect sense. Now they’re in LA & young folks don’t have a clue what their nickname represents.

  17. why don’t we just change the names of all 32 NFL teams and get it over with, get a life. And btw if u don’t like the southern flag don’t fly it, but by god its my right to fly it if I want to

  18. Ok, I give up. Go ahead and change the name. I still can’t see why people are offended. The name was given out of respect for redskins. This PC world is good for nothing but lawyers and people who spend their time worrying about their hurt feelings.

  19. flaccodelic says: Jul 23, 2013 9:48 AM

    Hmm… white guys say the name should stay.

    People of color say it should go.

    Countless internet white guys angrily post comments about “political correctness”, since a name change would so directly impact them.

    USA USA USA

    ——————————————————

    What he said! Washington Warpath!

  20. Everyone is so easily offended it is ridiculous. They could change it to Warriors or Potomacs as suggested, but eventually a group of people will complain that those names are offensive or insensitive.

  21. Why wasn’t Green and Monk campaigning for a name change when they were on the roster? They both went into the hall as Redskins as well.

    Will they return the money they made throughout their career as Redskins?

    Advocacy is one thing, but jumping on bandwagons and becoming a fake advocate for something they willingly were apart of is another.

  22. thelastpieceofcheese says:

    Monk and Green cannot overturn the 2009 landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision …

    Wrong. The Supreme Court simply declined to hear the Harjo case. That is not the same as a decision, much less a landmark decision.

  23. Allow me to correct this:

    “Hmm… white guys say the name should stay.

    People of color say it should go.”

    To be honest it should say:

    People of color and the PC crowd say it should go.

    Non-PC white guys and Native Americans say the name should stay.

    If Snyder was more intelligent he would say the name will change if Native Americans ever come to believe that it is offensive.

    HTTR!
    HTRG3!

  24. The name will eventually be changed and the team and the league will rake in big bucks selling new merchandise with the new name and logo.

  25. “turdfurgerson68 says: Jul 23, 2013 9:47 AM

    The Washington Warriors…with a return to the late 1960s era arrow helmet.”

    Sorry chief (pun intended) but Warriors has also been claimed as racist by Native Americans. Welcome to PC America.

  26. Who cares what they think…just because you’re honored as a couple of REDSKIN greats and are HOF’ers doesn’t mean you’re opinion cares anymore weight.

    And it seems to me the main culprits in this fight to change the name are the same ones who’s ancestors abused and used it in a derogatory/racist way, that’s is not the case today…and furthermore the term Redskin can be used on just about in race as there are white people who are and or turn red, light skinned black people are and can turn red and have been called redbone in some cases.

    My question to all the PC folks are white people really white? Are black people really black? Are Native American’s/Indians really RED? It seems to me whomever deemed each race their particular color was a bit color blind. If anyone should be offended it should be all races when they are referred to as a color they are truly not that includes white, black etc., on a final note when the African slaves were first brought to the United States they may have been a very dark possibly black skin tone, however, look around that is no longer the case and I think this is more the case…Mulatto is a term used to refer to a person who is born from one white parent and one black parent, or more broadly, a person of any “mixed” ancestry.

  27. It’s actually awesome to watch skins fans when you bring this issue up. Their eyes just go dead like a doll’s eyes, and they start screaming “pc” over and over again.

  28. I agree they should change the name to the Maryland 4skins…..LMAO.

    why are they called Washington redskins anyway? they play in Maryland…LMAO.

    Ravens are far and away better than this org top to bottom………….best team in Md too…lmao.

  29. I’d like to actually hear from native American fans of the team… There’s a ton of that root for them because they’re the redskins. Case in point… My two friends of native American decent down here in Florida are skins fans.

  30. I read comments like “Well I’ve talked to Indians from five tribes around me and none of them have a problem with the name”. I call BS. Sounds like White man speak with forked tongue. I’m part Mohawk and damn proud of it, and find “Redskin” offensive. Just because a bunch of White fans of the team don’t have a problem with the racist name doesn’t mean there’s not a problem with it.

  31. All it takes is for two franchise heavyweights to speak, and suddenly most of the air is let out of the “Keep the name” balloon. That speaks volumes right there.

    Change the name.

  32. turdfurgerson68 says:
    Jul 23, 2013 9:47 AM
    Ok haters, what do you say now?
    ____________________________________
    Can we please stop using the word haters, you sound like a 5 year old or someone who is trying to promote their first R&B album.

    I thought it was just Skins fans at first but I guess it’s everywhere now. A fan of your competition cannot be summed up as just a hater, that is ignorant.

  33. Chiefs and Redskins are offensive names and if you don’t get it something is wrong in your head.

    Indians, Braves and there mascots are offensive too.

    Seminoles and the Tomahawk chants too.
    Get that straight.

  34. youarejealousof6rings says:
    Jul 23, 2013 10:08 AM
    Six rings.
    ___________________________________
    What have you done lately? My team has 5 rings and I can bring more to a comment section than my vain perspective on sports. You probably aren’t even much of a dedicated fan and simply say ambigious crap because your team hasn’t done anything in the past 4 seasons.

  35. The Washington Filibusters. You can call them the Filli’s for short. And of course gay football players are welcomed with open arms being this is the capital of LIBERAL.

  36. The first known use of the word redskin to be published contemporaneously, as reprinted in Niles’ Weekly Register (Baltimore) for October 14, 1815, from an issue of The Western Journal (St. Louis) that does not survive. Shown is the first paragraph of the official translation of the speech that the Meskwaki chief Black Thunder made on July 20, 1815, in the treaty council at Portage des Sioux, Missouri Territory. Addressing Gov. William Clark according to Indian convention as “My Father,” he referred to Indians and Europeans in the Meskwaki language as “red skins and white skins.” These were idioms current in several Indian languages of the area which were translated into Mississippi Valley French as Peaux-Rouges and Peaux-Blanches, and from French into local English. Credit: Smithsonian Institution, Dibner Library. Photograph by Jane Walsh.

    Most American Indians say that calling Washington’s professional football team the “Redskins” does not bother them, the University of Pennsylvania’s National Annenberg Election Survey shows.

    Ninety percent of Indians took that position, while 9 percent said they found the name “offensive.” One percent had no answer. The margin of sampling error for those findings was plus or minus two percentage points.

    Because they make up a very small proportion of the total population, the responses of 768 people who said they were Indians or Native Americans were collected over a very long period of polling, from October 7, 2003 through September 20, 2004. They included Indians from every state except Alaska and Hawaii, where the Annenberg survey does not interview. The question that was put to them was “The professional football team in Washington calls itself the Washington Redskins. As a Native American, do you find that name offensive or doesn’t it bother you?”

  37. This is THE tipping point. The Redskin’s name will change. Bank on it. It may take a few years, but it’s going to happen. There are no more accomplished legends in Redskins history (not even Riggins or Baugh) than these two.

  38. Because “somebody says it offends me.” Really? Maybe get a thicker skin. Maybe read a little history about the name. Maybe get a life.

  39. Come on people are Native Americans skin complexion really Red? Nope

    The skin color thing is way out of hand and a few can’t deem what’s racist and or derogatory.

    I don’t see anyone jumping on the Chicago BLACKHAWKS, Cleveland INDIANS, Atlanta BRAVES….

    I mean pretty soon there will be issues with every team name.

    I was watching a few old westerns and the way the term Redskin was used by COWBOY’s now that was meant to be racist and derogatory or the term injun so back woods they couldn’t even say Indians. If you want to fight for a Native American cause then try and get them their land back and some of the other things the pale faces stole from them.

  40. The Bottom Line – the owner says he’s not changing the name. It’s his franchise, his right, and he clearly stated he has no intention of changing the name despite how many people cry about it. Move on and find some other stupid pc issue to cry about.

  41. Washington Warriors seems like such an easy solution.

    First off, you’re not really changing the team IDENTITY, just the name away from an offensive term

    And you’re also switching the team name and mascot away from a RACE (which is wrong and racist implicitly) toward a CAREER or POSITION (which is fine)

    There is nothing racist about Warrior. There is certainly something derogatory and racist about Redskin.

    Easy change . . . “make it so”. (Picard)

  42. If enough people are offended they can stop watching Redskin games, buying merchandise, and attending games. What do you think got Marshall to integrate the team in the 60s? It wasn’t a sudden sensation of good will. He got hit in the pocketbook.

  43. As a former Skins fan I think it’s worth noting that Art Monk and Daryl Green are two of the most endeared Redskins of all time. What they say carries weight, and I doubt true old school Skins fans will hold it against them. …now if only Riggo would come out against it!

  44. I vote they change their name to “Storm Troopers”
    license the name and visuals from Disney. They will actually get many more fans too.

    Just trying to lighten things up on this. Until a majority of Native Americans weigh in on this, (and the vast majority of people wanting the change are white liberals), the rest of us don’t have an opinion that matters.

  45. So… who are the racists with all of the “Washington Cracker” and screw white people comments? So those comments aren’t racist you ignorant hypocrites? Why is it that only white people can be racist? Doesn’t make much since to me. Yes, I am a dirty white honkey cracker…

  46. The name should change, so should the Chiefs, Indians, Blackhawks, etc… We will not stop until all references of anything Native American is wiped off the face of this earth! Heil!!!

  47. tinbender2000 says:
    Jul 23, 2013 10:35 AM
    I read comments like “Well I’ve talked to Indians from five tribes around me and none of them have a problem with the name”. I call BS. Sounds like White man speak with forked tongue. I’m part Mohawk and damn proud of it, and find “Redskin” offensive. Just because a bunch of White fans of the team don’t have a problem with the racist name doesn’t mean there’s not a problem with it.
    ——-

    i call bs. sounds like guilty white man speak trying to identify with minority. just because you drove by a reservation once does NOT make you part mohawk.

  48. flaccodelic says:
    Jul 23, 2013 9:48 AM
    Hmm… white guys say the name should stay.

    People of color say it should go.

    Countless internet white guys angrily post comments about “political correctness”, since a name change would so directly impact them.

    USA USA USA
    ———————-
    wow, there’s a setting where you can tell everyone’s color who is posting on the internet? how do i turn that on? or are you just RACIST because you see what someone says and ASSUME what race they are based on YOUR OWN PREJUDICES?

    hmmmmm.

  49. So was this a test on who can read? When did they say skins should change their name? They said the conversation should happen. Big difference.

  50. Florio is a really great writer! He never blocks comments just because he doesn’t agree with them. He is the epitome of fair and honest journalism! In no way is he a coward that can only post opinions he agrees with.

  51. For all the good the US has to offer, this obsession of political correctness and “not to offend” anybody will be the end of the country at some point. It will be viewed as a period of lunacy by future historians just like the Salem Witch trials are viewed today. There can never be a point in time where everyone is perfectly content and not offended by one thing or another. To attempt to live by that is crazy.

  52. If skins fans dare put their money where their mouths are they would completely boycott everything and all whatever the new name is. However, we all know they won’t because they’re all gutless talkers. The day the name is changed is the day they’ll cave and buy as many new bright green rg3 jerseys they can grab.

  53. if they change the name from Redskins, I’ll only except the name being changed to “Skins”. They could change the logo to a “W” or a “DC” in a circle with the two feathers . Also moving the team back to DC is part of the package.

  54. wfederal says:
    Jul 23, 2013 11:21 AM
    So… who are the racists with all of the “Washington Cracker” and screw white people comments? So those comments aren’t racist you ignorant hypocrites? Why is it that only white people can be racist? Doesn’t make much since to me. Yes, I am a dirty white honkey cracker…
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Agreed. The poster with all the “White cracker “talk is just a coward behind a keyboard
    taking the opportunity to vent their racist garbage. White folks are not all racists and racists come in all colors. Such fools.

  55. bigbenh8tr says:
    Jul 23, 2013 10:45 AM
    youarejealousof6rings says:
    Jul 23, 2013 10:08 AM
    Six rings.
    ___________________________________
    What have you done lately? My team has 5 rings and I can bring more to a comment section than my vain perspective on sports. You probably aren’t even much of a dedicated fan and simply say ambigious crap because your team hasn’t done anything in the past 4 seasons.

    Except….lose a Super Bowl 🙂

  56. My problem with all of this centers around the power of the media itself. Im not arguing whether the name should or should not be changed. But, the name will get changed sometime in the near future. The reason will not be because the owners feel its the “right” thing to do, but because the media will continue to pressure the situation.

    Honestly, we have become a nation that continues to stretch out our chin in the offended pool waiting for someone to slap it. Before you critique that comment, keep in mind that i am a 37 year old black man (some may refer to me as African American). You know it offends me that i have to check the African American box when I, in fact, have never even been to Africa.

  57. In that case, you need to change these other team names as well: Yankees, Celtics, Vikings, Bears (it’s derogatory to Ursidaes, the scientific classification for “bears”), etc etc.
    Honestly, I want to punch these idiots right in the face. There are better things to worry about than appeasing a few crybabies getting offended over a name.
    What is this? First grade? Stop crying to your mommy.

  58. justintuckrule says:
    Jul 23, 2013 11:48 AM
    If skins fans dare put their money where their mouths are they would completely boycott everything and all whatever the new name is. However, we all know they won’t because they’re all gutless talkers. The day the name is changed is the day they’ll cave and buy as many new bright green rg3 jerseys they can grab.

    What?

  59. Let me know when someone important starts talking about this please like Riggins or the hogs not divas

  60. No one cares. Let the issue die. The name isn’t getting changed. Work on hanging the racist name of Cracker Jack.

  61. I love how the ignorant assume that only white guys want the name to stay. most of the native american community wants it to stay. sorry majority rules and the majority says the name stays.

  62. ducknichols50 ur comment is refreshing and the most sensible I have read. get rid ogmf the African, Asian, Italian,Hispanic etc. We r Americans. Funny how we are all viewed as Americans all around the world, just not here.

  63. bills399 says: Jul 23, 2013 12:30 PM

    I love how the ignorant assume that only white guys want the name to stay. most of the native american community wants it to stay. sorry majority rules and the majority says the name stays.
    _____________
    Exactly. This debate shouldn’t be about whether the name is right or wrong: it doesn’t matter whether “it was meant to honor Natives” or is “something you would never say to a Native’s face”. All that matters is who gets to decide whether the name should stay or go.

    It doesn’t matter what white men, or black men, or Asian men, or Congress men have to say about the issue, the only group that has the right to decide if the name should stay or go is the Native community itself.

  64. We win NFC East everyone starts caring about the name. What happened to changing it while we were cellar dwellers not to long ago. People are stupid about a name that’s had no problem for the past 80 years. Wow!

  65. Jim Thorpe:
    As player:
    Canton Bulldogs (1915–1917)
    Canton Bulldogs (1919–1920)
    Cleveland Indians (1921)
    Oorang Indians (1922–1923)
    Rock Island Independents (1924)
    New York Giants (1925)
    Rock Island Independents (1925)
    Tampa Cardinals (1926)
    Canton Bulldogs (1926)
    Chicago Cardinals (1928)

    As coach:
    Indiana (1915)
    Canton Bulldogs (1915–1920)
    Cleveland Indians (1921)
    Oorang Indians (1922–1923)
    Tampa Cardinals (1925)

  66. golforepar says:
    Jul 23, 2013 9:44 AM

    With all the issues going on in our world. People worried about the Redskins changing the teams long time name, really need to get a life!
    ====================================

    racial slurs and discrimination _IS_ what is going on in the USA right now .. has been for many many years and is not over even tho you want it to be over.

    it isn’t going to be a “non-issue” solely because you don’t want to deal with it .. all organized and institutionalized discrimination should be dealt with by everybody.

    Dr. King dealt with it in the 50s and 60s and that paved the way for a lot of the open discrimination against blacks and other minorities to be eliminated, but the struggle is not over.

  67. Do any of you actually think their team name should be changed? If you do, where were you 10 years ago? We live in an era of whiners, lawsuits, pursuit of money, etc. so do you really think someone hurts so much by this that it disgraces their exsistence? Hell no! This is stupid. We should purposely change it to something that is offensive, see everyone up in rage over something irrelevant to your well-being!

  68. I love how people against the name change always want to get literal with the argument that “native Americans don’t really have red skin”. Of course not, but modern native Americans never campaigned to be called Redskins. I’m old enough to remember when Black people went from being “colored” to “negroes” to “black”. Older blacks were at first very uncomfortable with being called “black”, as it was the younger generation who rallied around such slogans as “Black Power”. Look at the “civil rights” era. You see signage that says “Coloreds only” or “Negroes only”, or “Whites Only”. Even white people weren’t comfortable calling black people black except when it was meant to be a deliberate pejorative. My point is that Blacks eventually embraced being called Black. I don’t see any grassroots groundswell for Native Americans to call themselves “Redskins”. When that happens, then the name will no longer be offensive.

  69. rgtre10 says:

    I don’t see anyone jumping on the Chicago BLACKHAWKS, Cleveland INDIANS, Atlanta BRAVES….

    As a Cleveland sports fan, I can tell you that there are protests by Native Americans every opening day in Cleveland, and have been for years, not just about the name, but about Chief Wahoo especially.

    I support the home town team, but I don’t buy or wear gear with Chief Wahoo on it anymore. I’ve come around to the idea that it is racist. Not hatefully racist, but racist all the same. And if the Indians name were changed, that wouldn’t be a bad idea either. It isn’t as if Native Americans founded the team or own the team.

  70. Why? Cause it offends indians that really just want money for there casinos and more loot to buy mickeys 40ozers? Go rain dance somewhere.

  71. Blacks where once the minority, the black skins is an acceptable name? No of course it isn’t, it’s a direct reference to another persons skin colour, in any other sport ANYWHERE there is not such name! The Braves IS a tribute to Native Americans, the redskins is not!

  72. MDSisAtool says:

    The Washington Warriors…with a return to the late 1960s era arrow helmet.”

    Sorry chief (pun intended) but Warriors has also been claimed as racist by Native Americans. Welcome to PC America.

    ——————————————————-

    C’mon, now you’re just making stuff up. No Native Americans have claimed your quote; the term ‘warrior’ has/is used worldwide.

    Just stop, you’re embarrassing yourself.

    Just

  73. It seems simple if we could call a team the blackskins or brownskins then redskins is ok. Since the country would blow up if we did that we can’t have redskins. The native American community is just not as big or powerful as other minorities. Change the name!

  74. Love seeing this issue coming up over and over. I want Snyder to be as uncomfortable as possible as he sits on his fat wallet and eventually eats crow…put it in all caps…EATS CROW!

    I agree with comments earlier giving kudos to Monk and Green. I knew they were class guys when they played and now they prove it even more.

    Any logical voice would say this issue should be reviewed. We are a society that skin color has been the root of terrible issues. Let me be clear, the terrible issues have been horrid treatment of groups because they had darker pigments. Sometimes doing the right thing is not at all about being PC. It’s about reality and realizing that you “may” be offensive. Did your mothers never teach how to talk nicely to people? Those that complain about our society becoming too PC seem to forget one thing I heard a million times as a kid, which I do try to follow… “if you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say anything at all.”

    If they were my team I’d change the name not because it offends me, but because I think it’s wrong to name a team based on skin color of people or a group. You can tell me stories of how this specific name reflected bravery and strength ’til to cows come home. But the bottom line is we are glorifying something ( a team in this case) by naming it after a group’s skin color. In 2013, people are really supporting anything based on the color of a group’s skin??? I am surprised so many don’t get this. Oh, but I am just being PC. Right? I say BS!!!!!

  75. Don’t worry folks the name change is coming relatively soon. When Robert retires in 17 years with 8-ish Superbowl titles, the name will be changed to Washington Griffins.

  76. I grew up going to Cleveland Indians games, even asking for tickets as Christmas presents when the Jake would sell out well before the season. Those moments with my family were some of the finest I can remember. Its personal. I had ‘Indians’ on my shirt and Chief Wahoo on my hat.

    Things change. I would completely support changing the Indians name and the Chief Wahoo logo because it’s the right thing to do. It’s not political, baseball is a game and choosing to respect a group of people is more always more important. Surrounded by Native American names for lakes and landmarks, something like ‘Cleveland Iroquois’ could appropriately honor their tradition and influence on our area without trivializing, cartooning or making someone feel reduced to their skin color.

    It’s not a slippery slope and it’s not going to take away all my fond memories. It would make me proud of my team and the city.

  77. If they change the name they should NOT make it something native American related like Warriors. F it. If you want us to change it, then just get out of that deal all together.

    The name they should pick is the Washington Monuments.

  78. It’s amazing how these articles on the “Redskin” name bring out the biggest idiots. Never seen so many ridiculous statements about this topic. Let’s chill out with the race baiting comments, and just stick to the issue. Please have an educated take on the topic and stop posting hate. As a fan, if it’s offensive and considered racist, then the owner should change it, but until then, I will remain a fan of the team just like I have been for over 35 years.

  79. Slang identifiers for ethnic groups based upon physical characteristics, including skin color, are almost universally slurs, or derogatory, emphasizing the difference between the speaker and the target.

  80. No reason for the Redskins to change the name. People need to get a life and quit worrying about names. Damn.

  81. cowboyhater says:
    Jul 23, 2013 3:00 PM
    It’s amazing how these articles on the “Redskin” name bring out the biggest idiots. Never seen so many ridiculous statements about this topic. Let’s chill out with the race baiting comments, and just stick to the issue. Please have an educated take on the topic and stop posting hate. As a fan, if it’s offensive and considered racist, then the owner should change it, but until then, I will remain a fan of the team just like I have been for over 35 years
    __________________

    Having an “educated take” seems to be missing from the above comment.

    The name is all about “race.” So any commentary discussing race is entirely appropriate.

    Many Redskin Fans view this through burgundy colored glasses. This person certainly does!

  82. No matter what you name the team, someone, somewhere can claim that it offends them. PETA hates the Packers, enviromentalists hate the Steelers, dwarves hate the Giants, and everyone hates the Cowboys.
    Get over it. There is no right not to be offended!

  83. formyministy says: Jul 23, 2013 11:32 AM

    tinbender2000 says:
    Jul 23, 2013 10:35 AM
    I read comments like “Well I’ve talked to Indians from five tribes around me and none of them have a problem with the name”. I call BS. Sounds like White man speak with forked tongue. I’m part Mohawk and damn proud of it, and find “Redskin” offensive. Just because a bunch of White fans of the team don’t have a problem with the racist name doesn’t mean there’s not a problem with it.
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    i call bs. sounds like guilty white man speak trying to identify with minority. just because you drove by a reservation once does NOT make you part mohawk.
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    My family on this continent can be traced back to a Dutch sailor who came over on the third ship after Columbus. I have had Mohawk blood in my family for Hundreds of years before there were reservations OR something to drive by them in. The last full blood Mohawk was my Great Grandmother who was given the English name Mary. You see formyministy, I know who I am and where I came from. I’m not some inbred douchnozzle talking smack about someone I know nothing about.

  84. As a man of Cherokee Heritage I love the name Redskins and consider it a badge of pride, respect and honor. “Red” in Redskins is a re: to RED WAR PAINT worn in battle NOT SKIN COLOR.

  85. As a man of Cherokee Heritage I love the name Redskins and consider it a badge of pride, respect and honor. “Red” in Redskins is a re: to RED WAR PAINT worn in battle NOT SKIN COLOR.

    Remember when the Washington Bullets changed their name to the Wizards and the African American Community were offended because “Wizard” is a rank in the KKK. Someone will always be offended. Can’t please everyone.

  86. tinbender2000 says:
    Jul 23, 2013 4:25 PM
    formyministy says: Jul 23, 2013 11:32 AM

    tinbender2000 says:
    Jul 23, 2013 10:35 AM
    I read comments like “Well I’ve talked to Indians from five tribes around me and none of them have a problem with the name”. I call BS. Sounds like White man speak with forked tongue. I’m part Mohawk and damn proud of it, and find “Redskin” offensive. Just because a bunch of White fans of the team don’t have a problem with the racist name doesn’t mean there’s not a problem with it.
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    i call bs. sounds like guilty white man speak trying to identify with minority. just because you drove by a reservation once does NOT make you part mohawk.
    ==============================================
    My family on this continent can be traced back to a Dutch sailor who came over on the third ship after Columbus. I have had Mohawk blood in my family for Hundreds of years before there were reservations OR something to drive by them in. The last full blood Mohawk was my Great Grandmother who was given the English name Mary. You see formyministy, I know who I am and where I came from. I’m not some inbred douchnozzle talking smack about someone I know nothing about.
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    you did great until the last sentence where your racism started showing…you might want to hide that again.

    fyi, there are still full-blooded mohawks, your great-grandmother wasn’t “the last of the mohawks”…i think you’re getting confused with the movie, “last of the mohicans”.

    if you are 1/8 (or less) of something, that is not “who you are”…you are 87.5% white….where did that 87.5% come from? obviously somewhere racist, based on your need to sling insults.

  87. bunkmcnulty says:
    Jul 23, 2013 4:43 PM
    @formyministry,

    How’s your shoe taste?

    Booooo Yaaaaaaah (nice reply tinbender)

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    just wait until tinbender tells you what race YOU are…he can tell based on what you type.

    btw, have any original thoughts lately?

  88. tinbender, what you failed to get out of my post, is that you think because what other people posted ISN’T WHAT YOU FEEL, that it must therefore be made up. you “call BS”…how come when other posters have said that they ARE native american, and that they like and SUPPORT the name, you haven’t called BS on them?

  89. formyministy, How can I put this so even YOU can understand?
    My ancestors were both White and Mohawk long before my great Grandmother. She was the Last Fullblooded Mohawk in MY Family. Read it over and over, as many times as it takes to soak in.

  90. They may change the name in 50 years? OK my great grandchild may be president in 50 years. Who will know, who will care. unless u are younger than 25 reading this crap we will all be dead and never know. What is the point of predicting things that nobody will be alive to ever know?

  91. me 12:44
    … This debate shouldn’t be about whether the name is right or wrong: it doesn’t matter whether “it was meant to honor Natives” or is “something you would never say to a Native’s face”. All that matters is who gets to decide whether the name should stay or go.

    It doesn’t matter what white men, or black men, or Asian men, or Congress men have to say about the issue, the only group that has the right to decide if the name should stay or go is the Native community itself.

    5 thumbs down
    __________________
    Really, five people think Natives don’t have the right to decide for themselves whether or not the mascot is offensive?

    Telling a group of people that you know better than they do what they should think and feel about themselves is far more offensive than any mascot could ever be.

    People keep bringing up “what if they were the Washington blackskins?”– as a black man, I think that would be totally absurd. Hypothetically, however, if the Black community decided that they were not offended by the name, does somebody else have the right to decide that We actually are offended?

    Basically this arguing is pointless, as no one but the Native community has the right to decide if the name is or isn’t offensive, and whether it should stay or go.

  92. dawgtown86 says: Jul 23, 2013 2:36 PM

    I grew up going to Cleveland Indians games, even asking for tickets as Christmas presents when the Jake would sell out well before the season. Those moments with my family were some of the finest I can remember. Its personal. I had ‘Indians’ on my shirt and Chief Wahoo on my hat.

    Things change. I would completely support changing the Indians name and the Chief Wahoo logo because it’s the right thing to do. It’s not political, baseball is a game and choosing to respect a group of people is more always more important. Surrounded by Native American names for lakes and landmarks, something like ‘Cleveland Iroquois’ could appropriately honor their tradition and influence on our area without trivializing, cartooning or making someone feel reduced to their skin color.

    It’s not a slippery slope and it’s not going to take away all my fond memories. It would make me proud of my team and the city.
    _______________
    You write well and you make almost a very good point. However, there is a slippery slope depending on who it is making the decision to change the name, or what qualifies it as “the right thing to do”.

    If America’s Native population took no issue with the team name or Chief Wahoo, would changing the name still be the right thing to do? Keep in mind that I’m not talking about the Redskins, I’m just talking about who determines what is and isn’t offensive. I completely understand putting ‘doing the right thing’ ahead of tradition. However, trying to create race issues out of non-issues just perpetuates the shadow and footprint of racism in this country.

    I certainly want our country’s Native community to be at ease, but I would also like my children to grow up in a world where jigsaws and coonhounds don’t remind them of the racial abuse and hatred their ancestors suffered: where spades are a suit, and spooks are for Halloween. In other words, if Natives want to leave the past behind, and choose not to be bothered by the names of sports teams, what gives anyone else the right to contradict them?

  93. they didnt say change the name. they gave the answer that could best keep a mob from showing up at their house….they said it should be considered.

  94. tinbender2000 says:
    Jul 23, 2013 5:50 PM
    formyministy, How can I put this so even YOU can understand?
    My ancestors were both White and Mohawk long before my great Grandmother. She was the Last Fullblooded Mohawk in MY Family. Read it over and over, as many times as it takes to soak in.
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    lol, tinbender2000…just lol.

    i can relate to you, because i am the queen of england, but people online are always doubting me about that. i’m also a 21-year-old college co-ed named kelly, and i want to friend you on facebook, but for some reason you don’t accept my friend request. at other times, i’m a nigerian prince, with millions of dollars to offer you if you’ll just let me use your bank account. finally, i’m also a french model. bonjour.

    it’s the internet. anyone can pretend to be anything they want. don’t get all hissy about someone not taking everything they read from you at face value.

  95. This sort of issue has precedence in the Capital. The pork lobby successfully forced the offensive line to drop “The Hogs” label.

  96. I do not care what they do just like the Washington BULLETS the REDSKINS will always be The WASHINGTON REDSKINS

  97. These native Americans are not Indians but they do not seem to have a problem being called such

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