Search for gun may continue in a different lake

AP

Last week, Connecticut police spent several days in the muck and the mire of a Bristol, Connecticut lake that was believed to be holding in its bed the gun used to kill Odin Lloyd in June.

According to CNN, divers didn’t locate the gun in Pine Lake a/k/a Malone’s Pond in a search that started July 29 and continued this week.

Per the report, investigators will return to the area next week to search a smaller body of water near Pine Lake.

Someone, possibly Carlos Ortiz, presumably told police that the gun was thrown in a body of water in Bristol, Connecticut.  The murder happened in North Attleboro, Massachusetts, less than a mile from the home of former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez.

Hernandez remains held without bail, awaiting an August 22 probable cause hearing.  He could be indicted for murder at any time.

59 responses to “Search for gun may continue in a different lake

  1. There’s more than enough circumstantial evidence to convict Hernandez. If they come up with the murder weapon, he’ll likely have to take a plea.

  2. No murder weapon + no motive = not looking good. They have the gun charges as backup but with the highly questionable nature of the key witness, a murder conviction is very far from a lock.

  3. This is valuable space wasted when it could have been devoted to another article on how Chip Kelly hasn’t named a starting QB yet.

  4. To answer the 55 comments about how he’ll walk if they don’t find the gun:

    He was charged with murder 1 which means he either orchestrated a murder and performed it himself or that he orchestrated a murder that someone else committed. He arranged the two other possible suspects to meet with him. He is on video putting the guns in the car. He arranged the meeting with the victim. He drove to pick the victim up. He drove the victim to the crime scene. There is footage of him with the victim a block before the crime scene and a video of him driving with the victim a few minutes later. There is video of him taking the guns out of the car before he shut off his home surveillance system.

    They don’t need to prove he pulled the trigger just that he set the whole thing up.

  5. Have to admit I’m pretty curious about just where that gun is. If law enforcement ever finds it that would be the final nail on Hernandez’ coffin.

  6. Is it possible that Hernandez was holding the murder weapon in the photos that were released to the media?

    It really can’t be that far from his home.

  7. Gotta laugh at the comments who think he will walk. Video has him “dead to right”As someone who lives in the Boston market where we are deluged with Hernandez updates, he hasn’t even faced the more serious charges that are coming.

  8. In response to the comment below all he needs is one idiot on the jury to say Give Us Barrabas!

    damnsureis says:
    Aug 8, 2013 9:17 AM
    To answer the 55 comments about how he’ll walk if they don’t find the gun:

    He was charged with murder 1 which means he either orchestrated a murder and performed it himself or that he orchestrated a murder that someone else committed. He arranged the two other possible suspects to meet with him. He is on video putting the guns in the car. He arranged the meeting with the victim. He drove to pick the victim up. He drove the victim to the crime scene. There is footage of him with the victim a block before the crime scene and a video of him driving with the victim a few minutes later. There is video of him taking the guns out of the car before he shut off his home surveillance system.

    They don’t need to prove he pulled the trigger just that he set the whole thing up.

  9. how much tax payer money are they going to spend looking for one gun. Massachusetts must have a hard on for hernandez, they have already searched like 3 or 4 lakes with scuba equipment and boats who knows what else

    Its especially ironic because my friend drowned free diving in a 25 foot deep cave and it took the scuba team over here in Orlando 24 hours to recover the body even though his wife showed them the exact cave he dove into the day before.. SMH

  10. While one man is dead and other lives hang in the balance, the biggest mystery to me is how people can laugh and joke about it. Put yourself on either side of the coin, and the laughing matter would cease.

  11. damnsureis says:Aug 8, 2013 9:17 AM

    To answer the 55 comments about how he’ll walk if they don’t find the gun:

    He was charged with murder 1 which means he either orchestrated a murder and performed it himself or that he orchestrated a murder that someone else committed. He arranged the two other possible suspects to meet with him. He is on video putting the guns in the car. He arranged the meeting with the victim. He drove to pick the victim up. He drove the victim to the crime scene. There is footage of him with the victim a block before the crime scene and a video of him driving with the victim a few minutes later. There is video of him taking the guns out of the car before he shut off his home surveillance system.

    They don’t need to prove he pulled the trigger just that he set the whole thing up.
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    While its true they don’t need the weapon, the fact they are looking so hard to find it is pretty telling. If they were convinced they had a rock solid case that was going to get a conviction, the gun wouldn’t matter. The fact they seem intent on finding it speaks to some weaknesses in their case. The gun makes it all moot of course.

  12. When they were searching the first pond a couple of weeks ago, an investigator said they were only looking about 25 yards out because that’s about as far as someone could throw a gun.

    The first thing I thought of was how they could get the gun to go further than that. Couldn’t one of those water balloon slingshots send it further than 25 yards?

    Or maybe a catapult where Ortiz jumps out of a tree onto one end and the gun flies off the other, kinda like an old school Roadrunner cartoon?

    I’m just saying that 25 yards seems like a pretty conservative limit.

  13. Didn’t Ernest Wallace travel to Florida after the murder??? My guess is he tossed the gun out the window at some point on his trip down South.

  14. audioflint says:
    Aug 8, 2013 9:40 AM
    While one man is dead and other lives hang in the balance, the biggest mystery to me is how people can laugh and joke about it. Put yourself on either side of the coin, and the laughing matter would cease.
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    Lemme splain’ it. Lloyd was presumably killed because Hernandez believed Lloyd was divulging information about his criminal enterprise. So, through implication, Lloyd wasn’t exactly an innocent bystander. The other guys involved are all clearly people involved in criminal activity. So it’s quite possible there aren’t any true victims here, rather one perp whacking another perp, or potential perp.

    This is the terrible flaw in our justice system in that we don’t differentiate criminal-on-criminal crime from criminal-on-citizen crime. I’ve always felt that if someone currently under indictment or awaiting trail is dispatched, then it’s simply the perils of his chosen profession and doesn’t warrent the police attention.

  15. Oh I was sure someone told the police they witnessed him tossing the gun. They don’t continue to search a lake day after day without something to go on.

    Ya now, they probably got a ‘ well it was a lake but not sure I know which one it was’ statement. You can bet someone is spilling the beans on this guy and its one of the guys with him that night who is covering his own arse.

  16. While one man is dead and other lives hang in the balance, the biggest mystery to me is how people can laugh and joke about it. Put yourself on either side of the coin, and the laughing matter would cease.
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    Lemme splain’ it. Lloyd was presumably killed because Hernandez believed Lloyd was divulging information about his criminal enterprise. So, through implication, Lloyd wasn’t exactly an innocent bystander. The other guys involved are all clearly people involved in criminal activity. So it’s quite possible there aren’t any true victims here, rather one perp whacking another perp, or potential perp.

    This is the terrible flaw in our justice system in that we don’t differentiate criminal-on-criminal crime from criminal-on-citizen crime. I’ve always felt that if someone currently under indictment or awaiting trail is dispatched, then it’s simply the perils of his chosen profession and doesn’t warrent the police attention.

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    Regardless of how someone is killed, and who killed who for what reason, there are innocent victims in every murder case – namely, the family members and friends of those involved who do not have anything to do with criminal activity – especially kids. And regardless of how the court system works, those innocent victims are still affected. While I agree that some individuals deserve to be removed from society – and some completely removed from the Earth – the fact remains that when children are involved it is not a laughing matter.

  17. damnsureis says:
    Aug 8, 2013 9:17 AM
    To answer the 55 comments about how he’ll walk if they don’t find the gun:

    He was charged with murder 1 which means he either orchestrated a murder and performed it himself or that he orchestrated a murder that someone else committed. He arranged the two other possible suspects to meet with him. He is on video putting the guns in the car. He arranged the meeting with the victim. He drove to pick the victim up. He drove the victim to the crime scene. There is footage of him with the victim a block before the crime scene and a video of him driving with the victim a few minutes later. There is video of him taking the guns out of the car before he shut off his home surveillance system.

    They don’t need to prove he pulled the trigger just that he set the whole thing up.
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    So in that since won’t they have to find the killer? Who’s to say anyone in that group shot Lloyd? There’s evidence that they were at the crime scene. Who’s to say they just didn’t leave him there and someone else shot Lloyd?

    Wouldn’t you need to know who shot Lloyd in order to prove Hernandez orchestrated the murder?

    You’ve got testimony from untrustworthy witness, who says he heard gunshots before they came back to the car…While he was sleep…

  18. People watch too much CSI. You can get convicted on circumstantial evidence alone. It happens all the time. Finding the murder season helps but isn’t always necessary.

    All you have to do it’s convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant committed the crime. And from what we know, there’s plenty of circumstantial evidence against Hernandez.

    Also, Lloyd is absolutely a victim. He was likely killed because he was going to turn Hernandez in for another murder. Just because he hung out with a bad crowd doesn’t mean he deserved to be murdered.

  19. At this time of year the growth of invasive species in small bodies of water makes it almost impossible to swim, let alone dive to the bottom. Eurasian Milfoil has invaded almost every body of water in the Northeast and is at the height of its growth. I feel bad for the cops who are ordered to dive into that stuff. Anyone who fishes, kayaks or swims in this area is aware of the problems it presents. The gun search will be very difficult for the authorities. In answer to a comment regarding the State having it out for this man, yes they do thank God. He is suspected of the murder of three people and other violent acts.

  20. So in that since won’t they have to find the killer? Who’s to say anyone in that group shot Lloyd? There’s evidence that they were at the crime scene. Who’s to say they just didn’t leave him there and someone else shot Lloyd?
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    You, like many Americans, simply don’t understand our justice system.

    You don’t have to prove with 100% certainty that someone committed a crime. You just have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

  21. @ sschmiggles……

    You are 100 per cent right. People do watch too much CSI. I keep reading all the comments that say the case is lost without the gun. That’s nonsense!
    If the police find the murder weapon, that would be great. Another nail on the coffin. But it isn’t necessary. Many many murder cases are won without the murder weapon. If the media is correct regarding the evidence that the police have so far, then Mr. Hernandez has some explaining to do.

  22. wryly1 says:
    Aug 8, 2013 8:58 AM
    There’s more than enough circumstantial evidence to convict Hernandez.
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    very key word CIRCUMSTANTIAL.

    that would be a prob for any normal citizen but with the spotlight on the case plus millions in hernandez bank account. his highend lawyers will destroy the case if they dont find the gun.

  23. Try I-95 going North to Mirmar Florida! That’s probably why his boy left and the police found him in Florida.

    His probably threw it out piece by piece up Intersate 95.

    Not gonna find it in the area, that’s why Hernandez isn’t worried!

  24. “damnsureis says:
    Aug 8, 2013 9:17 AM
    To answer the 55 comments about how he’ll walk if they don’t find the gun:

    He was charged with murder 1 which means he either orchestrated a murder and performed it himself or that he orchestrated a murder that someone else committed. …….
    They don’t need to prove he pulled the trigger just that he set the whole thing up.”
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    Apparently you’ve never heard of OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony, George Zimmerman, or Robert Blake. They all walked free due to incredibly moronic juries and high priced defense lawyers.

  25. These guys seem pretty stupid and reactive in the gangsta/violent way. The circumstantial evidence is frankly, overwhelming. It would take jury nullification(see Simpson, OJ ) to see an aquittal here. Scott Peterson was convicted here in Cali on much less…Just because his excuses are possible doesn’t constitute reasonable doubt. Never trust a jury as a defendant. The prosecution will do everything possible to bounce anyone with more than a high school diploma off the jury. The ignorant always convict.

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