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Dion Jordan not competing for a starting job “at this point”

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When the Dolphins traded up to take defensive end Dion Jordan in the first round, it seemed like a sure bet that he’d be competing for a starting job during camp.

The team’s in camp now and Jordan isn’t in the mix for a starting job, however. Defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle said that Jordan is not competing with Olivier Vernon for the job across from Cameron Wake “at this point” because he hasn’t gotten enough reps in practice to challenge for that role.

That seems unlikely to change as Jordan, who played seven snaps against the Jaguars after playing only on third downs in the Hall of Fame Game, has missed the last two days of practice because of an issue with his surgically repaired shoulder.

“We’re obviously taking some precaution with Dion, not wanting to overload him at this point,” Coyle said, via Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald. “We’ve got a plan in place that we think will get him ready to participate at the level we feel best at to complete the season.”

Coyle said that things could still change before the start of the season, but Vernon has done a solid enough job that it seems likely that Jordan will start the year as a pass rushing specialist. It might not have been exactly what anyone had it mind, although the defense will still be better for Jordan’s presence if he’s able to make an impact in that role.

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  1. granadafan says: Aug 13, 2013 10:52 AM

    Bust

  2. cchemi01 says: Aug 13, 2013 10:52 AM

    lol and this is why the dolphins are a joke: you don’t trade up to no. 3 to take a player who won’t start from day 1

  3. cjjones5656 says: Aug 13, 2013 10:53 AM

    If he performs the way they think he will perform, the phins are going to have a top 5 front seven for the next few years.

  4. pftfan says: Aug 13, 2013 10:55 AM

    Word on the street is the Dolphins will long look at him for both Long Snapper and Punt Returner.

  5. Iknoweverything says: Aug 13, 2013 10:56 AM

    Jeff Ireland reached way to high for a part time player. Andy Reid also called his bluff for Brandon Albert. Old man Ross is a chump for keeping a GM that constantly makes bad choices.
    Dion Jordan= BUST
    Tannehill = sacked 60 times this year.

  6. nyfcat says: Aug 13, 2013 11:00 AM

    Aldon Smith was also a “pass rush specialist who didn’t start” in his rookie year.

  7. finfan87 says: Aug 13, 2013 11:01 AM

    It’s funny how people are choosing to assume that he isn’t playing because of his own ability and not because the guy taking “his” spot has been doing really well thus far this year.

  8. joeytorontosucks says: Aug 13, 2013 11:04 AM

    Considering the Dolphins gave up hardly anything to trade up 9 places I wouldn’t call the Dolphins a joke exactly. Lets see how the season plays out before we start calling people busts.

  9. jax9113 says: Aug 13, 2013 11:07 AM

    cchemi01 says:
    Aug 13, 2013 10:52 AM
    lol and this is why the dolphins are a joke: you don’t trade up to no. 3 to take a player who won’t start from day 1

    —————————
    The Dolphins were in a position to get one of the few elite talents in the draft and took advantage of it. They don’t need him to start right away, they already have Odrick/Vernon to fill that side. They didn’t draft him to be a starter. It would be more stupid of the Dolphins to try and rush back a player from injury before he was ready.

  10. phinfan527 says: Aug 13, 2013 11:15 AM

    3rd pick and injury issues and not starting. That’s great.

  11. rt61 says: Aug 13, 2013 11:16 AM

    Aldon Smith was a pass rush specialist year 1 and played the entire game year 2 (he was the 7th pick). I think this is their plan and I don’t think it’s reason for concern.

  12. irkjames says: Aug 13, 2013 11:18 AM

    OH MY GOODNESS.

    Yes, he’s not going to start.

    Yes, he will be a 3rd-down pass-rushing specialist.

    Yes, that is exactly what Jim Harbaugh did with 7th-overall pick Aldon Smith in 2011. He became a Pro Bowler that same season.

    No, there is absolutely no difference between the current scenario with Miami’s 3rd-overall pick in 2013.

    Yes, some people will still complain about just because it’s the Dolphins.

    No, anyone who knows what the word “perspective” means will not waste their time with anyone who chooses to bicker about this.

  13. FinFan68 says: Aug 13, 2013 11:19 AM

    What’s the problem naysayers? Vernon has stepped up huge so far and is a better run stopper on early downs. Jordan can come in on passing downs and subjectively out either DE who needs a breather. Jordan also is very good at weak side LB so all 3 could potentially be rushing the QB from the outsides while the interior guys push the middle towards the qb (one of best on league at that last year). Jordan will see a lot of playing time this year and the Dolphins defense may be the most versatile in the league. The critics are simply looking for cheap shots or have not evaluated or thought through the potential of this defense. Dolphins will be tough on defense. No worries barring injuries.

  14. miamatt says: Aug 13, 2013 11:19 AM

    Queue the overreaction committee.

    He was recovering from shoulder surgery when they drafted him, and NFL rules prohibited Jordan from taking part in all but the post-draft rookie minicamp. Not only that, but people tend to forget that teams are practicing WAY less than they used to, per the new CBA. When you miss time due to school and injury, then couple it with the fact that there is less practice time to make up “lost time”, it is easy to see how a rookie can get behind. What gets lost in this article is that Olivier Vernon is having such a great training camp that Philbin would be crazy not to start him.

    I imagine that Jordan will ultimately be an OLB in a hybrid 4-3/3-4 scheme, as coaches will want Wake, Vernon, and Jordan on the field at the same time as much as possible.

    Settle down, bustnicks- you’re really just throwing poop against the wall to see if it will stick at this point. Only time will tell about Dion Jordan…

  15. promickey says: Aug 13, 2013 11:23 AM

    A very typical Jeff Ireland mistake. He is always planning far ahead without making for sure thing talent choices. He is smarter than anyone else or so he thinks. The Dolphins have yet to prove that their offensive line can be average and they take a defensive player that was injured, who may not live up to his potential. The Dolphins defense will be very good this year so why go defense with the # 3 pick in the draft. Ireland will be fired if the Dolphins do not make the playoffs……

  16. historyisyourfriend says: Aug 13, 2013 11:27 AM

    “Aldon Smith was also a “pass rush specialist who didn’t start” in his rookie year.”
    ______________________________

    nyfcat…Aldon Smith without Justin Smith was a non factor during the last part of the regular season and during the playoffs.

    In other words, it takes other players to help make good players great. Even Ray Lewis had two mammoths in front of him eating up all those blocks so he could fly to the ball.

    Jury is out on Dion and only time will tell if he’s boom or bust. But he will need other players to help him get there.

  17. xpensivewinos says: Aug 13, 2013 11:27 AM

    What Kool Aid are these delusional Dolphins fans drinking?

    If you trade up to take the 3rd player in the draft, that dude better be a starter from day one……..no questions asked. The Dolphins are horrible, they’re in no position to take players who may eventually be good. They need can’t-miss guys who come in and make an immediate impact.

    Oh, and those new uniforms and logo are disgusting.

    Ross and Ireland have put the final nails in this franchise’s coffin.

  18. youarejealousof6rings says: Aug 13, 2013 11:28 AM

    granadafan says:
    Aug 13, 2013 10:52 AM

    Bust
    _________________________________

    Absolutely.

  19. bennyb82 says: Aug 13, 2013 11:29 AM

    If I were the guy who played the same position as a player drafted with the 3rd overall pick, I would probably immediately get a little better at my job.

  20. officialgame says: Aug 13, 2013 11:36 AM

    Jordan is a situational playmaker. He isn’t a bust but I was surprised they trade up to take a player who probably won’t be an every down player. He also has size and injury issues making him a risky pick.

  21. tfaulk says: Aug 13, 2013 11:36 AM

    Coyle also said he does see Dion as a three down player.

    I don’t know anyone who thought Dion, with his specialized college skillset (a role player, albeit multipurpose but with a big difference at the pro level), freakish frame that pegs him as a unique talent but will require a few years of NFL-level workouts, shoulder injury that’s under rehab, and late start to training because of college calendar was going to be penciled in as an immediate starter, and a 3-down starter at that. Whether he was drafted 1st, 3rd, or 50th.

    So who’s this “anyone” who had anything else in mind?

  22. mrreality1 says: Aug 13, 2013 11:39 AM

    WOW, anyone labeling a player a bust before they even play one NFL game is dumber than the Dolphins and Ireland could ever be. Why do we do this when anyone with half a brain knows you really can’t accurately judge a draft pick for 3 to 5 years. Guess there are just not too many PFT posters with half a brain out there. Fans who follow the Dolphins closely know the D-LINE (even without Jordan) is the strength of the team and he probably wouldn’t be a starter in 2013. Miami has needed a dynamic pass rusher opposite Wake for a couple years now, this is what Dolphins fans expect Jordan to be. To a Miami Dolphins fan, like myself, this post would have been news the day after the draft but certainly is not today.

  23. mrreality1 says: Aug 13, 2013 11:40 AM

    Furthermore, when on the field in preseason, Jordan has looked pretty disruptive, but that doesn’t matter because he doesn’t start.

  24. bucrightoff says: Aug 13, 2013 11:41 AM

    Aldon Smith had 16.5 sacks in two collegiate seasons…Dion Jordan had 14.5 in four. Calm down with those comparisons, the only thing you have is both weren’t starters.

  25. dolphincritic says: Aug 13, 2013 11:41 AM

    A defensive end would not have been my first choice in the draft this year, but Ireland didn’t really draft a true DE. Jeffie-boy drafted an outside linebacker without knowing it! Jordan has the speed/strength ratio to be a great 3-4 OLB! pity we are playing a 4-3 scheme!

    Let’s replace Misi with Jordan and line him up next to Vernon! With Wake on one side and a Jordan & Vernon combo on the other woe

  26. PeterKingLovesCoqAVin says: Aug 13, 2013 11:41 AM

    Still laughing at the guy who thinks Andy Reid called Jeff Ireland’s bluff. Reid sat and watched Ireland use both of the picks he wanted before he realized he had been played.

    Jeff Ireland after the draft on the Branden Albert trade: “Yeah, I don’t know where that is right now.”

    Translation: “I never gave a rip about Branden Albert in the first place.”

  27. phinfan says: Aug 13, 2013 11:43 AM

    All good, easing him in is just fine

  28. themostlogicalofvoices says: Aug 13, 2013 11:51 AM

    cjjones5656 says:
    Aug 13, 2013 10:53 AM
    If he performs the way they think he will perform, the phins are going to have a top 5 front seven for the next few years.

    ———————————————————————————–

    Couldn’t you just insert any team name there? If GBs two 1st round tackles would perform the way they think they should perform then the Packers will be the best team in the league for the next few years.

    If AJ Jenkins performs the way the niners think he is going to perform then San Fran will have a top passing offense for the next few years.

    Etc, etc, etc….

    Fact of the matter is the guy was a reach as a pick and you shouldn’t reach in the top 10, let alone top 3!

  29. kgun80 says: Aug 13, 2013 11:51 AM

    I thought he was a high ceiling player I definitely thought he was a good pick by Miami. It may just be the recovery from his injury that’s slowing his growth. But just a warning to Phins fans from a Bills fan… Hearing him being described as” having all the “measurables “..”Raw”.. and a ” situational pass rusher”.. I can’t help but think of Aaron Maybin.

  30. pftfan says: Aug 13, 2013 11:52 AM

    nyfcat says: Aug 13, 2013 11:00 AM

    Aldon Smith was also a “pass rush specialist who didn’t start” in his rookie year.

    ——————————-

    Vernon Gholston was also a “pass rush specialist who didn’t start” in his rookie year.

  31. honkeyt says: Aug 13, 2013 11:53 AM

    He didn’t have a lot of sacks in college and to me what you do in college usually translates to the pros. You could see what guys like Aldon Smith and JPP could do with proper coaching. I just never saw it in this kid. Who knows though.

  32. cbs1971 says: Aug 13, 2013 12:01 PM

    Now I see why Chip Kelly passed on this guy…

  33. mrreality1 says: Aug 13, 2013 12:06 PM

    Chip Kelly passed on him, that’s news to me. Maybe you should alert PFT to make this a headline. Miami picked 3, eagles picked 4 Kelly never had the chance to pass on him. Way to know your facts.

  34. scmems07 says: Aug 13, 2013 12:12 PM

    before all you football geniuses go on your rants, aldon smith did not start in his first year either and turned out pretty good. this is a testiment of the depth of the d line in miami, jordan would start on 90% of the leagues d line. he has put on 30 lbs and still kept his speed and exposivness, he will be wrecking shop and also freeing up the top rated pass rusher last year, wake, from all the double and triple teams he gets.

    keep bringing the hate, we’re hungy.

    just know what your talking about first.

  35. scmems07 says: Aug 13, 2013 12:18 PM

    bucrightoff says:

    Aldon Smith had 16.5 sacks in two collegiate seasons…Dion Jordan had 14.5 in four. Calm down with those comparisons, the only thing you have is both weren’t starters.

    jordan was also recruited as a tight end in college and switched to DE his 3rd year. his first year was red shirt, 2nd year was TE, he played 2 seasons as DE….so he had 14.5 sacks as a DE in 2 years.

  36. allmiamifan4444 says: Aug 13, 2013 12:19 PM

    Sounds like there are alot of dumb pre-mature football fans making comments on this story.Alot of wasted breath.Dion Jordan will be fine and there is no need to rush him right now in preseason.Kind of reminds me of another great pass rusher…..what is his name…..Oh yeah Aldon Smith.

  37. rockbottom37 says: Aug 13, 2013 12:30 PM

    They should have took Ansah …Jordan has bust written all over him…plus he is injury prone

  38. datmr says: Aug 13, 2013 12:32 PM

    To all da Miami “Homers” here defending this pick: Take the blinders off. On of the biggest concerns/question marks surrounding this team was the loss of Jake Long. Lane Johnson was still available when Ireland picked Jordan. Last I looked, Tannehill is getting crushed this pre season, because the current left tack can’t block anybody. So while I agree that its probably too early to call him a bust, the fact that u draft someone number three overall, and they cant even beat out the incumbent IS NOT VERY ENCOURAGING. Meanwhile, you have no one on the roster who can play left tackle, when a sure fired “start for the next 10 years” guy was sitting right there for you.

    Did Ireland consult Jerry Angelo on this pick, or what?

  39. 8drinkminimum says: Aug 13, 2013 12:35 PM

    For those looking at Jordan’s sack totals in college please take a closer look. Last year he dropped into pass coverage over 40% of the plays he participated in.

  40. dilberry says: Aug 13, 2013 12:41 PM

    I can’t wait to bring this thread up in 3 years once Dion is a top 5 pass rusher in the league.

  41. rayfinkleisonehellofamodelamerican says: Aug 13, 2013 12:44 PM

    Olivier Vernon is a BEAST!

  42. tannethrill says: Aug 13, 2013 12:48 PM

    Vernon is having a great camp and Jordan hasn’t been afforded the opportunity to win the job.

    Between Oregon graduating late and Jordan coming off surgery there really is no story here. The money at three doesn’t require that the player starts from day 1 but it does require production. I see no reason why Jordan won’t produce one way or another.

    This is exactly where they expected to be and I wouldn’t expect a fan of another team to realize that. Nor do I expect many to be aware of Vernon’s potential and established production.

    The question mark for the Fins is not at DE. It’s on the O line. Martin at LT is getting there but RG has become an issue witb Jerry and Louis still working back.

  43. hehateme2 says: Aug 13, 2013 12:49 PM

    Wow… some uninformed posted here today. Jordan was late getting to camp due to his schools requirements and then has been rehabbing his shoulder.

    Non of this spells “bust” as he has made plays in the limited action he’s seen. HE was a long term investment that will pay BIG dividends is sacking Miss Brady. That’s the reason he’s with the Fins.

    Get it?

  44. mackcarrington says: Aug 13, 2013 12:51 PM

    After 3 days in training camp, people were wetting their pants about Jordan. I watched the HOF game and the announcers were drooling about how great he was after like, 2 plays. Now they’re saying he’s not competing to start?

  45. hehateme2 says: Aug 13, 2013 12:55 PM

    mrreality1 says: Aug 13, 2013 12:06 PM

    Chip Kelly passed on him. Headline. Miami picked 3, eagles picked 4 Kelly never had the chance to pass on him. Way to know your facts.

    Please, when do “facts” get in the way of ignorant snark?
    Consider the source.

  46. thegreatgabbert says: Aug 13, 2013 1:06 PM

    I got killed prior to the draft for saying Damontre Moore was a much better prospect than Jordan. How is that looking? Moore is two years younger than Jordan as well.

  47. ishudbgm says: Aug 13, 2013 1:06 PM

    For non-fins fans and even fins fans that talk smack…watch practice and preseason games…OV is doing very well, he is becoming a elvis dumerville like player which has me excited. Both OV and Jordan look good right now…Jordan not starting is more about the Fins not really needing him right now as opposed to him being a bust. Stop trippin people. finsUP!!!!!!!!!

  48. scmems07 says: Aug 13, 2013 1:08 PM

    datmr says:
    To all da Miami “Homers” here defending this pick: Take the blinders off. On of the biggest concerns/question marks surrounding this team was the loss of Jake Long. Lane Johnson was still available when Ireland picked Jordan. Last I looked, Tannehill is getting crushed this pre season, because the current left tack can’t block anybody. So while I agree that its probably too early to call him a bust, the fact that u draft someone number three overall, and they cant even beat out the incumbent IS NOT VERY ENCOURAGING. Meanwhile, you have no one on the roster who can play left tackle, when a sure fired “start for the next 10 years” guy was sitting right there for you.

    so your assuming johnson is a sure fire great LT? by your logic he is not since he cannot even beat out the incumebent starter in phi for LT so he is playing right tackle right now so you just contridicted yourself. a LT is not going to help keep the patriots from scoring 35 points in the two games they play and the problem right now for the o line in miami is not martin, reports are he has been playing well, its the guards that have been the issue.

  49. aaroncurryisbust says: Aug 13, 2013 1:10 PM

    B-U-S-T

  50. gothier22 says: Aug 13, 2013 1:27 PM

    Im not going to call him a bust. He didnt really start at Oregon either. But i will say Mingo is going to be better if he stays healthy.

  51. tannethrill says: Aug 13, 2013 1:37 PM

    Bust must stand for Bringing Up Stupid Thoughts because trying to make a case for the outcome of a player’s career when that player isn’t even close to being 100% or 100% developed and after less than a month of practice and two preseason games with limited action is silly.

    What’s funny here is the Fin’s D is strong and built to take advantage of Jordan’s skill set. He’s set up to succeed.

  52. ebrownwareagle says: Aug 13, 2013 1:37 PM

    And they pick him over Jarvis Jones! What a joke!!! Jones(SEC Defensive MVP) had more Sacks last year than this Dude had in his Career! Laughable organization

  53. markeyh says: Aug 13, 2013 1:40 PM

    Jordan will have his time, the fact that he is in Miami for the next 5 years and as he gets to grow and get stronger I have no doubt he will shine for Miami and with Olivia Vernon stepping up we will have our Defense set for years to come even after Wake is gone.

    Ireland did a masterful job this year and his detractors just want to cling on anything they can because they are either non-Dolfans or bitter haters or both!

  54. SuckForLuck says: Aug 13, 2013 1:51 PM

    How about mentioning that O. Vernon is playing out of his mind & can’t be replaced just because Jordan was drafted 3rd.

  55. calibird707 says: Aug 13, 2013 1:52 PM

    When they traded ahead of my birds I was sure it was to take lane Johnson. When they picked Dion I was very surprised..still your number 3 pick should be starting..what is the point otherwise..this is prolly just b.s…he will most likely end up starting sooner rather than later

  56. toybkshr says: Aug 13, 2013 1:59 PM

    I don’t believe you use the ‘bust’ label until someone actually plays. And tho the fins are content to bring him along so to speak, you don’t move up to #3 in the draft to be a backup.

    The GM obviously had other thoughts than what is unfolding. But, the phins look OK on D Line anyway. But, I say again, you don’t move up to #3 for a backup.

  57. destructicus says: Aug 13, 2013 2:00 PM

    Except for presence of the shoulder injury this is a perfect scenario for Miami’s defense.

    The last couple of years the Dolphins have been notoriously bad at covering TE’s down the field. Dion Jordan is the clear solution to that problem.

    Play him on obvious passing downs.

  58. byroan says: Aug 13, 2013 2:04 PM

    historyisyourfriend says: Aug 13, 2013 11:27 AM

    “Aldon Smith was also a “pass rush specialist who didn’t start” in his rookie year.”
    ______________________________

    nyfcat…Aldon Smith without Justin Smith was a non factor during the last part of the regular season and during the playoffs.

    In other words, it takes other players to help make good players great. Even Ray Lewis had two mammoths in front of him eating up all those blocks so he could fly to the ball.

    Jury is out on Dion and only time will tell if he’s boom or bust. But he will need other players to help him get there.

    ———————————

    He does have Cam Wake on the opposite side.

  59. 808raiderinparadise says: Aug 13, 2013 3:04 PM

    Kid had what 3.5 sacks in the PAC-12?

    Get outta here with that weak-tall-thin lawn dart of a hybrid player.

    Awful pick.

  60. irkjames says: Aug 13, 2013 3:47 PM

    Aldon Smith was only a 3rd-down pass-rushing specialist his entire rookie season as the 7th overall pick in 2011.

    If you asked 32 NFL GM’s if they would draft a Pro Bowl pass-rushing specialist, 32 NFL GM’s would say yes. Moreover, I’m sure Jim Harbaugh and the 49ers would have it that way all over again.

    People can nitpick over draft selection value all they want. The only real value is that of the production on the field.

    Calling a rookie a bust before the start of the season is as dumb as thinking every 1st-rounder should start.

    Besides, if the Dolphins look “dumb” for drafting a 3rd-down specialist 3rd overall, wouldn’t the Chiefs and Jaguars look DUMBER for drafting Right Tackles with 1st and 2nd picks??? I mean, they could have just signed Eric Winston.

    I’m just sayin’.

  61. pancanfinfan says: Aug 13, 2013 4:00 PM

    I saw enough in the Dallas game to convince me that Jordan will impact the field when he’s on it. Dolphins know what they have, don’t worry. The fact that they have talent, depth and experience gives them the luxury of taking their time with him. I beleive you should keep your cards close to your vest in the preseason. Why give your division rivals any more info to study?

  62. MasMacho says: Aug 13, 2013 4:11 PM

    I watched film on this guy last year. Specifically I watched the USC game pretty closely, mainly because it was a 100+ defensive debacle for both teams.

    He did some interesting things like covering a slot a few times, but otherwise a very pedestrian effort. Against other NFL-caliber talent he wasn’t anything close to dominant. He is an athletic freak, but a #3 overall? no way. Huge reach IMHO. Even if he does start on day 1, most LT’s aren’t going to struggle with him in the run game, nor will the better RT’s.

    Medium impact player at best.

  63. sod61 says: Aug 13, 2013 4:31 PM

    The writer of this article fails to mention he is coming off shoulder surgery and also that he missed just about all of the OTAs due to school requirements at Oregon. Please provide all of the facts.

  64. tfaulk says: Aug 13, 2013 4:34 PM

    So people keep posting: a 3rd round pick should start.

    Nonsense. There have been enough 3rd down rushers who have proven they can have a greater impact from that specialized role on a team than an every down player and, sometimes, even the QB or the #1 pick in the draft.

  65. hehateme2 says: Aug 13, 2013 4:46 PM

    Man, some really dumb posts here today. I’m glad that none of you have any real say in the Dolphins franchise.
    Better stick to Madden.

    As far as talking smack from the raiders clan… I only wish we played the raiders every week.

    Another Perfect Season would be on the way.

  66. finsbooyah says: Aug 13, 2013 4:52 PM

    How can you label a guy a reach when prior to the draft, every media outlet, and every mock draft had him ranked as the #1 defensive player in the draft. Then when a GM, who along with his scouting department work tirelessly year-round breaking down these players, makes him the #3 pick it’s a reach???

    He may bust, he may be great, but no one knows that yet.

    Miami’s defensive front 7 is arguably one of the best in the league so there’s absolutely no reason to rush things with Dion. Miami has a plan with him, let’s see how it plays out.

  67. cwk22 says: Aug 13, 2013 9:04 PM

    Anyone with the name “thegreatgabbert” should not be commenting about other teams. You name alone says it al!

  68. wood1964 says: Aug 14, 2013 1:16 AM

    dion jordan is far from elite. his college success was usually against inferior opponent’s. another arron maybin.

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