Schwartz benches one of his five personal foulers

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Maybe it was the heady feeling of blowing out the Patriots in a game no one will remember in five minutes.

Or maybe, the Lions are just conditioned to play undisciplined football.

A week after talking about their three personal foul penalties against the Browns, the Lions were talking again, after committing five against the Patriots.

Coach Jim Schwartz actually did something this time, benching defensive end Willie Young after he was flagged for taunting Patriots quarterback Tom Brady.

We didn’t want any more personal fouls,” Schwartz said, via Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press. “We had enough of it. We had enough of it after two.”

Of course, Schwartz did not bench defensive linemen Nick Fairley and C.J. Mosley, or tight end Joseph Fauria or linebacker Rocky McIntosh, which might be part of the problem.

“We pride ourself on playing tough, but there’s always a limit and we respect that limit and we’re always going to respect that limit,” defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh said. “So individuals as well as the defensive line, we’ve got to really manage ourselves but at the same time be accountable as a unit.”

Young wagging a finger in Brady’s face was dumb, but until the Lions actually show some accountability instead of talking about it, there’s no reason to think the trend will reverse itself.

52 responses to “Schwartz benches one of his five personal foulers

  1. Undisciplined play loses games, especially in a league where most games are close and the differences in talent between teams is small. Until the Lions learn this, they will never be as successful as their talent suggests they should be.

  2. Another trend that is not likely to be reversed is the Lions finishing in the basement of the NFC North. I’m too lazy to look it up but in the last 20 years, they have dominated in that dept.

  3. “We pride ourself on playing tough, but there’s always a limit and we respect that limit and we’re always going to respect that limit, except that one time I stomped on a guy after the whistle.” defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh said.

    Fixed.

  4. “Playing tough” doesn’t include…..playing past the whistle, shooting off your mouth or taking cheap/dirty shots at your opponents. Until the lions figure that out they’re going nowhere

  5. “We pride ourself on playing tough, but there’s always a limit and we respect that limit and we’re always going to respect that limit,” defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh said.

    Ndamukong Suh, the voice of reason. Oh, the irony.

  6. Lions did play a good preseason game, however taunting an opposing team during the preseason is not much to be proud about especially if you have yet to prove much in the regular season. I believe fans had brown bags over their heads just a few years ago. Good luck this season though

  7. So stomping on a guy and kicking another in the nuts is on the allowable side of the line? Thirty years watching football and I’ve only ever seen a guy kicked in junk once.

  8. A very hateable team. Watched the game last night..trash talking after every play..extremely undisciplined…stupid penalties..a sure recipe for another 4 win season

  9. Foul deeds will rise,
    Though all the earth o’erwhelm them, to men’s eyes.

    – Hamlet (1.2.256), Hamlet, alone on the platform.

  10. I think Gantt’s comments are fair. As a Lions fan it’s frustrating to see players continue to take these kind of penalties because they hurt the team.
    The Lions are a tough and physical team and I don’t want to see them change the way they play … I just want to see them walk away from this stuff after the whistle. Teams know the Lions reputation and they are doing whatever they can to provoke these kinds of penalties … and it’s working.
    Personal fouls are going to get called in the NFL , you see it every week but the Lions aren’t going to get back to the playoffs commiting 5 a game.

  11. Taunting in a preseason game? Were they that happy to beat a good team in the preseason? Well it’s nice to know that they feel like they were vying for the super bowl with that win.

  12. Young hurt his team with the penalty, but I’m sure a lot of football fans were amused to see Brady humiliated like that. I’m not a Lions fan so it was worth it to me!

  13. Benching the little guys does nothing but set a double standard and cause guys to lose respect for you.

    While benching guys like Suh and Fairley will hurt the Lions in those specific games, the long term outcome should improve.

    Schwartz will never have the discipline he seeks until that happens.

  14. You’re suggesting he should have benched Joseph Fauria…a fringe player trying to make the team…rather than getting a chance to evaluate his play…because he got an illegal chop block?

  15. The Lions smash the Pats 40-9 and the only discussion from our end is that we got a lot of penalties. I see the hateraid continues to flow.

    How about that absolute dominance of that front 4? Ziggy and J. Jones are making Michigan say ‘Cliff who?’

  16. He only benched him cause taunting without a kick in the groin isnt worth the 15 yard penalty. Next time he’ll know better – when you participate in dirty football as a Detroit Lion, use your head, make sure you at least have a chance of causing injury.

  17. Schwartz is a terrible HC. This team has about 5 top-three picks, and instead of being a team with a promising young core, it is characterized by its utter lack of discipline.

  18. The Pats looked below average. Was it do to the stellar play of the Lions or what? I know they were hitting and tackling hard. Teams better get used to it. The Lions are for real. I have them easily winning their division and hosting a playoff game.

    The Vikes will be in the running if they can get that passing game going. The only thing they need to do is score first, let AD eat the clock up running the ball and play tough D.

  19. Whatever the Lions were doing to Brady was working. He looked terrible last night and the DL looks like a unit that could cause serious problems for most teams, especially ones with awful OLs (Bears and Packers).

    So as much as I hate the personal fouls, I think this DL is doing a lot of things right in the preseason…

  20. What was the Lions record last year, 4-12? Sounds about right. Keep up the good work, fellas, you’re helping your team to the top.

  21. yeah terrible, the 2 on Fairley and Mosley where hustle fouls, stupid yes but flow of the game. In some cases they might not even be called. Young’s was just stupid. plain and simple. He was talking to Brady, and you could see Brady be like, “I’m a bigger star in this state…wait who are you again?” The chop block called on a rookie, yeah learning lesson but not a huge deal, and i didnt see McIntosh’s i had turned the game off by then. Bottome line is they’ll be fine, but if you stop getting the benefit of the doubt when those close hits happen a lot. just more fuel for the Lion haters out there. Hate on.

  22. noeffinway says:
    Aug 23, 2013 9:17 AM
    bwahahaha………Yeah but, did you see that defense!!!!!?? oh my! Go Lions!

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    Dude, it’s preseason against a Pat’s offense without their top 3 playmakers from last year. Your O-line and secondary are so pathetic, you will likely be an 8-8 or worse team. Don’t count the scores once all the scrubs come in…Or any of them, since there is zero game planning that goes into these.

  23. @mn1288, LOL, “zero game-planning”. Right, the Pats aren’t trying to hold onto the ball, because it’s preseason. They aren’t trying to succeed, because it’s preseason. Riiiight. Even in Wednesday practice, they’re trying to succeed. You don’t even know what you’re talking about. Because it’s preseason, the loss doesn’t matter, and that’s about it. It may not be indicative of how their season will go (Lions always beat the Pats in preseason), but they do have issues to work out, obviously.

  24. thetruthcampaign says:
    Aug 23, 2013 11:40 AM
    @mn1288, LOL, “zero game-planning”. Right, the Pats aren’t trying to hold onto the ball, because it’s preseason. They aren’t trying to succeed, because it’s preseason. Riiiight. Even in Wednesday practice, they’re trying to succeed. You don’t even know what you’re talking about. Because it’s preseason, the loss doesn’t matter, and that’s about it. It may not be indicative of how their season will go (Lions always beat the Pats in preseason), but they do have issues to work out, obviously.

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    It is very common knowledge teams don’t game plan for preseason games. if anything, they will try new things or move players around to see how it works out. Throwing an interception would be MORE indicative that there isn’t game planning, especially when it’s Brady against the Detroit scrubs. Get real man…Why would a team waste ANY time at all game planning against their specific opponent in the preseason? All they’re doing is trying to install plays with half of the key players barely playing in the preseason.

  25. @mn1288, you’re missing the point. The point is to execute whatever you go out there and try to do. There was a gameplan, though it might not be regular season gameplan. The turnovers were forced despite the Pats trying to execute. It’s real easy. They’re not out there just lollygagging around because it’s a preseason game. Guys not holding onto the ball is indicative that they are having ball-handling problems.

    Yeah, it’s preseason. It doesn’t count.

  26. Clo wn NFL town. Clown players. Clown head coach. Clown franchise. Clown fans. Obviously, these above players have zero respect for the game, their fans, their head coach. What other conclusion can be drawn?

  27. The defence was just out there having fun. Some of the personal penalties were ticky tak but most of it will be cleaned up for week one.

  28. Nothing like a check in with pft to remind me that most folks in this world are trapped in lala land and bound by illogic and hyperbole.

  29. Unfortunately or deservedly, depending on your point of view, the Lions now have the reputation among the fans, players, and most importantly the refs of being dirty. Borderline infractions will now be called regularly. There will be no benefit of doubt given. They have contracted Raideritis, an incurable disease.

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