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Report: NCAA grills Manziel on autographs

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Johnny Football’s ability to play the game for which he’s nicknamed may have hinged on the outcome of a lengthy Sunday sit-down with the NCAA.

According to Travis Haney of ESPN, NCAA investigators devoted a “large chunk” of Sunday meeting with Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel regarding allegations that he signed autographs for money.

The session reportedly lasted nearly six hours.

(Yes, we know it’s not a pro football issue.  But since Manziel undoubtedly will be in the next pro football draft, his ability to play college football this year could be slightly relevant to his pro football draft stock.)

ESPN previously has reported that Manziel accepted payment for signing more than 4,000 autographs.  Texas A&M Chancellor John Sharp, who has said players should be able to get paid for signing autographs, has insisted without specifics that Manziel didn’t do it.

It may not matter, if the NCAA opts to pursue Manziel under bylaw 12.5.2.2, which compels student-athletes to take steps to prevent the sale of items bearing their names or likenesses.

While on its face the rule creates a potentially unreasonable burden for a kid who may not have the resources or the ability to send out cease-and-desist letters or file lawsuits, Manziel knew or should have known when repeatedly signing his name for one person that the one person for whom Manziel was signing simply didn’t want to have the world’s biggest personal collection of Johnny Football memorabilia.

And so while 12.5.2.2 is more than a little vague and broad when applied generally, it could be the thing that allows the NCAA to specifically nail Manziel.

And by nailing Manziel, we mean slapping him on the wrist or at worst suspending him for two games so he’ll be back for the Alabama game on September 14.

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  1. caspius1 says: Aug 27, 2013 8:32 AM

    Well good thing the NCAA never sold jerseys with the players number and team on it. That was clearly not a violation of the rule 12.5.2.2 on every players number that was sold.
    After Manziel I hope they go after Clowney. That school is selling a t-shirt with his number and nickname on it. But I am sure that wouldn’t be a violation of section 12.5.2.2.

  2. glennsyank13 says: Aug 27, 2013 8:33 AM

    This is a lot of coverage for a college player who projects similar to Charlie Ward.

  3. frankgarrett says: Aug 27, 2013 8:34 AM

    who?

  4. butlers91 says: Aug 27, 2013 8:36 AM

    Well, actually – it seems he is already getting paid, so I think it is appropriate to be in PFT. ;-)

  5. concord148 says: Aug 27, 2013 8:42 AM

    Come on Manziel, signing autographs in college is really stupid. Signed: Miley Cyrus

  6. dspyank2k11 says: Aug 27, 2013 8:45 AM

    oh those Heisman quarterbacks…

  7. nesportsfan0428 says: Aug 27, 2013 8:46 AM

    I love the NCAA. Everyone can make money off Manziel’s name, likeness and appearance …. except Manziel…because thats wrong.

    I get the whole “scholorship” thing, but I had a scholorship to college too, and I was allowed to work a job & sell my stuff when I needed money….because thats how America works.

  8. skinsrock says: Aug 27, 2013 8:46 AM

    Does anyone believe for one minute that he didn’t do it? Come on… I don’t see how he can be eligible at all… It should be the end of his career… BUT… Oh wait, we have the returning Heisman Trophy Winner who carries ratings with him & he’s big money to the NCAA… It’s going to be hard for them to pull the trigger on a proper suspension.

  9. steelerdynasty2010 says: Aug 27, 2013 8:50 AM

    “bylaw 12.5.2.2, which compels student-athletes to take steps to prevent the sale of items bearing their names or likenesses.”

    the NCAA has a bylaw that compels these kids to take steps to prevent EXACTLY what the NCAA does to their names and likenesses? now if that isnt gift-wrapped irony and hypocrisy, i dont know what is.

  10. jolink653 says: Aug 27, 2013 9:03 AM

    I agree that it’s very unfair for colleges to profit and essentially exploit their athletes the way they do to make a ton of money while the athlete gets none, but this rule has been in place a long time and therefore Manziel has to abide by it if he wants to play, and to sign so many things for a couple different dealers just seems like he never considered that he could be caught

  11. kanishj says: Aug 27, 2013 9:12 AM

    Regardless of the outcome, this dude has absolutely no future in the NFL. He’s Eric Crouch 2.0. He’ll be playing arena ball by age 23.

  12. noring4youstill says: Aug 27, 2013 9:17 AM

    Hey kid that’s our job to make money off of you! Not you off of you!

  13. aldante66 says: Aug 27, 2013 9:17 AM

    Ok so the NCAA is talking to Manziel? I guess that means the guy who says he paid him money for them doesn’t have the proof?
    I mean if I said I paid him, I would dam sure have a video tape and or audio tape of the event or cheap my mouth shut to avoid a law suit.

    Maybe they want him to admit it or give him the chance to deny it then show him the proof. Time they s@it or get off the pot.

  14. fballguy says: Aug 27, 2013 9:22 AM

    Is there any doubt he did it? Come on…

  15. mtheparrothead says: Aug 27, 2013 9:25 AM

    @nesportsfan0428,

    So you got a scholorship? What school did you attend that gave you a scholorship when you can’t even spell the word “scholarship”?

  16. greymares says: Aug 27, 2013 9:35 AM

    Just assign him to the Jets that’s where all quarterbacks that can’t play end up.

  17. beerndrums says: Aug 27, 2013 9:36 AM

    This guy is gonna work out great for the Jets

  18. kegrun says: Aug 27, 2013 9:37 AM

    mtheparrothead says:
    Aug 27, 2013 9:25 AM
    @nesportsfan0428,

    So you got a scholorship? What school did you attend that gave you a scholorship when you can’t even spell the word “scholarship”?

    Probably LSU

  19. whysomanylosers says: Aug 27, 2013 9:41 AM


    mtheparrothead says:
    Aug 27, 2013 9:25 AM
    @nesportsfan0428,

    So you got a scholorship? What school did you attend that gave you a scholorship when you can’t even spell the word “scholarship”?

    _______________________________

    Just how many of those scholarship athletes do you think CAN spell it?

  20. blutbaddenbill says: Aug 27, 2013 9:44 AM

    he should be suspended from playing again cause there is clear evidence on videotape he knew what he was doing was wrong.the little lambs in the ncaa will back down and let him play because they are just that,little lambs!

  21. popdawg99 says: Aug 27, 2013 9:44 AM

    “a kid who may not have the resources or the ability to send out cease-and-desist letters or file lawsuits”

    What? He could have made on phone call to the Texas A&M Sports Information Dept. and they would have given him every single resource he needed to comply with any NCAA regulation.

    Florio, you are flat out wrong about this one.

  22. donth8thehorns says: Aug 27, 2013 9:45 AM

    @methparrothead

    Is that your confidence builder for the day? Catching a posters typo? With computers and devices that auto correct and often improperly , I don’t think he did a spell check for the idiots on this site! And you my friend, prove my point to a T!
    Thanks,

  23. jchuber says: Aug 27, 2013 9:46 AM

    What a bunch of hippocartic BS! The school can make money off of Johnny’s name, but the player can’t !!!!!!! Obviously the intent is to keep the player poor, dumb and desperate. As usual the thieves are making the rules, and the inmates are running the asylum.

  24. mikejonesforum says: Aug 27, 2013 9:46 AM

    GIG’EM NCAA

  25. topcide says: Aug 27, 2013 9:47 AM

    This one is tricky,

    As My wife and I are a young couple in their 30’s that are still paying off her student loans, one part of me says that a scholarship is payment enough.

    With that being said, It’s pretty absurd that up untill the story broke you could literally go to the NCAA shop online and search Manziel and a texas AM jersey with his # would come up. Once the story broke, suddenly the search function was disabled. (This is true, look into it).

    I don’t necessarily think that football players should be directly paid to play football at a college, I’d say that the scholarship is direct compensation enough. However if a players name, likeness, ETC has value in autograph sales, endorsements, or what have you, then it’s only right that the player should be able to benefit from that.

    Really the NCAA is the biggest set hippocrits i have ever seen, the make millions off of pimping a player out left and right,then if the player asks for a cut the NCAA trots out the B.S. line that they are students first knowing damn well that they are not held any remotely comparable standard as another student.

    For example, I live in Ann Arbor, Michigan, home to U Of M. Michgan is by far the hardest school to get into in the state, and one of the tougher in the country. I was a pretty good student in high school but had no realistic possibility of going to college there, so I went to a state school. The majority of football players there would have gotten laughed out of the admissions office if they could not play ball. Obiovusly there are exception to the rule, but I think everyone agrees that a sizeable % of them don’t come close to meeting basic standards.

    And on the flipside, If you have a kid on academic scholarship that’s a brilliant mathmatician or chemist, and texas insterments want’s them to endorse a calculator, or they write a textbook during school, they are free to profit from that without their scholarship or elegibility to attend math or science class being in jeopardy.

    So really, the NCAA should feeding us this line of crap. The bottom line is that the NCAA allows kids to attend college to play football and keeps churning them out from major academic instutions and they don’t care that some of them are borderline illiterate and unprepared to fuction in society. While this is going on they milk them for all they are worth. Then they act all high and mighty when a kid that is having millions made off of him want’s a piece of it, when they know damn right the kid is one ACL tear away from his life basically being over.

  26. Akula says: Aug 27, 2013 9:52 AM

    So it takes this for the NCAA to wonder how a kid on a college budget can appear all over the country in the off season.

  27. whealy86 says: Aug 27, 2013 9:54 AM

    Those of you who feel college players should get money just like the schools do , I highly disagree. These kids don’t get paid but get something in return that’s more important and that’s a college education , if they dont decide to waste it. College is not cheap and going for free because you have athletic ability sounds alright to me. How about kids around the world who exceed in high school , grade wise but they don’t have the funds to go. Some of those kids could be the next einsteen, or save a life as a doctor, but none will get the chance because a lot of these college football players take it for granted and abuse the free ride given to them. My grandfather has always said, ” the only football I watch , is college footballs because they play for the chance to go to the NFL and they”re not getting paid already”. That sums up why college football is great.

  28. patswhatsup says: Aug 27, 2013 9:56 AM

    Fact of the matter is, many of the college football players that COULD sign things for money, are already being paid. A full ride scholarship is payment right there. Additionally, I believe they should be able to be paid, even by the school. Set a small reasonable salary that the players can earn. These kids practice and have meetings so much and play games, combined with school, that they don’t have time for a job! A former coworker of my fiance said he was on food stamps when he played for Oregon because he couldn’t work due to the demanding schedule!

  29. rutchaser says: Aug 27, 2013 10:01 AM

    I dont care if he took money or not. I just hope he can play because he sure is fun to watch.

  30. mtheparrothead says: Aug 27, 2013 10:12 AM

    @donthe8,

    You must be in admissions I assume? 3 times ain’t autocorrect champ.

  31. beardown75 says: Aug 27, 2013 10:13 AM

    Why not let these kids make $ of their likenesses. Put the $ in a trust of some sort that they can only access upon GRADUATION. If they are that good and want to leave early for a big $ payday then the $ goes back to the school to offset the scholarship that the school paid them to showcase their talents. It is the school that gave them this opportunity to get to the pros by putting $ up front for the player’s “education”.

  32. qdog112 says: Aug 27, 2013 10:17 AM

    nesportsfan0428 says:
    Aug 27, 2013 8:46 AM
    I love the NCAA. Everyone can make money off Manziel’s name, likeness and appearance …. except Manziel…because thats wrong.

    I get the whole “scholorship” thing, but I had a scholorship to college too, and I was allowed to work a job & sell my stuff when I needed money….because thats how America works.
    ***************************
    Amazed but not amused that suddenly the NCAA is put on trial after years of these draconian rules. Now and only now, have you come to defend a player. Where have you been? Where were you when Dez Bryant and the OSU kids got slammed?Not a word of support for them.

    Unfortunately, the NCAA will agree with you and they will be lenient on a guy, who by precious standards, should be banned for life. There has NEVER been a more BLATANT and IN YOUR FACE example of NCAA violations. But now it’s OK?

  33. stabbymike says: Aug 27, 2013 10:32 AM

    the rule really is ridiculous. complete bs. take advantage of the person making you money. id say unbelievable but sadly in the world we live in its not.

  34. phillyphan93 says: Aug 27, 2013 10:33 AM

    How is this nfl related? Dudes a second round pick at best!!

  35. timinatoria says: Aug 27, 2013 10:34 AM

    For those of you who think college players should be able to sell autographs….this just in.

    Boone Pickens has announced he will pay each player on the Oklahoma State Cowboys $50,000 for an autograph. Phil Knight has announced he will give $75K for the autographs of 5* HS players who sign letters of intent with Oregon.

    Anyone see any potential issues with allowing players to sell their autographs?

  36. justchuckn says: Aug 27, 2013 10:35 AM

    just give the Heisman to Klein already! I mean with manziel being manziel and teo being well teo just take it all away and give it to a true champion!

  37. brohamma says: Aug 27, 2013 10:49 AM

    Sheesh! For a moment there the article was quoting comments made by Travis (I’ve fathered at least eleven children from ten different women) Henry.

  38. thetooloftools says: Aug 27, 2013 10:50 AM

    Somebody need to sue the NCAA and stop their unbridled greed and manipulation. I hope they get hammered in that EA Sports lawsuit.

  39. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 27, 2013 10:53 AM

    @justckuckn

    You must be a KSU alum…. I don’t think anyone ever thought Klein should get the Heisman…. and true champion of what? Johnny Football and the Aggies would have done what every high octane offense did to the Wildcats last year…. and run them out of the building.

    Manziel obviously did this. The autograph brokers won’t say another word though, due to legal ramifications. Manziel will probably get off with a 2 game suspension at most. Is it right? No. Is Manziel the first do this? No. Will he be the last? No.

    Manziel isn’t the problem. He’s a symptom of the bigger problem, and that is artificial suppression of CFB player’s financial value. There is no easy cure, but absolute hypocrisy of the NCAA definitely doesn’t do anything to help.

  40. annes22 says: Aug 27, 2013 11:01 AM

    All this talk about Johnny Football is getting boring. He obviously got paid for all of this, you don’t sign 100’s of items and not get paid.
    Just get on and suspend him, and then wait until his NFL career plumets in the draft. He’s been out of control all through his vacation period, we have to listen to new stories every week, who cares???

  41. bobzilla1001 says: Aug 27, 2013 11:19 AM

    Get out your checkbook and pay for your kid’s college education, then tell me college players aren’t being compensated.
    Manziel ought to attend classes, because he has no chance of lasting long in the NFL. Then again, I suppose one contract ought to tide him over until heads for mommy and daddy’s basement.

  42. northstarnic says: Aug 27, 2013 11:25 AM

    While the NFL is led by a bunch of money-grubbing, greedy, slimy suits, at least they are relatively transparent about it. NCAA pretends to be about academics and preparing student athletes for the real world. Meanwhile they line their pockets on the backs of these kids, half of whom don’t even get an education, but are just there to play ball and let “tutors” do the work for them (which the schools often enable, or at least ignore). At the same time, colleges and universities continue to drive up tuition costs at absurd rates, making higher education more and more a privilege reserved for the already privileged class and practically out of reach for those at the low economic end of society.
    Manziel is a spoiled rich kid just looking for a few more bucks. The real victims are the kids we don’t hear about who are losing scholarships/opportunities because they are making business moves to prepare for life after college. And then there’s the non-athletes who can’t afford school at all due to tuition costs while schools build billion dollar stadiums.
    And we wonder why we are falling behind as a nation.

  43. footballradioshow says: Aug 27, 2013 11:39 AM

    NCAA: Mr. Manziel, did you take money to sign autographs?
    Manziel: No.
    NCAA: Sounds good to us, now make sure you don’t miss the Bama game.

    No chance he was gonna get hammered, ( by the NCAA) before the Alabama game. NCAA loves the SEC

  44. rodgers419 says: Aug 27, 2013 11:41 AM

    A college education is payment? Might as well pay him in confederate dollars.

  45. FinFan68 says: Aug 27, 2013 11:44 AM

    I’m surprised they already talked to him. I expected a long drawn out investigation that ends with a mid-January press conference announcing their findings and a hefty suspension for Manziel for the next season he never intended on playing anyway.

  46. herrcules13 says: Aug 27, 2013 12:23 PM

    “bylaw 12.5.2.2, which compels student-athletes to take steps to prevent the sale of items bearing their names or likenesses.”

    Class action lawsuit against the NCAA? Maybe hit THEM in the pocketbook and they’ll address their hypocrisy.

  47. cjvirnig says: Aug 27, 2013 12:54 PM

    I love how the NCAA gets to cherry-pick its investigative process. As any fan of college football knows, the NCAA USUALLY moves about half as fast as the slowest turtle on Earth while conducting investigations. Yet in the Johnny Football case, the investigation seems to be in hyperdrive. They even managed a convenient 6 hour sitdown BEFORE the first game. Seems a little disingenuous to me. No wonder why the BIG 5 conferences want to break away from the NCAA and form their own league…

  48. mrpowers88 says: Aug 27, 2013 1:37 PM

    Why is the NCAA even pursuing this?

    These autograph vendors paid Manziel cash so it couldn’t be traced, just to find out he was doing the same thing for all of their competitors.

    These vendors get pissed and go to the NCAA, but can’t provide the smoking gun because they don’t want to lose out on future college clientele- and they want the NCAA to exact their (the vendor’s) revenge because they realize they just got duped into an inflated Manziel-autograph market.

    I bet none of these guys are even licensed to sell college merchandise

  49. inallsincerity says: Aug 27, 2013 1:49 PM

    The ironic thing is, about a month ago, if you typed Reggie Bush’s name in the search engine on the NCAA website, you could have purchased autographed merchandise bearing his likeness…HA!

    The Bob Marley song “Hypocrites” applies here.

  50. bigsdawg says: Aug 28, 2013 3:24 AM

    (“Yes, we know it’s not a pro football issue. But since Manziel undoubtedly will be in the next pro football draft, his ability to play college football this year could be slightly relevant to his pro football draft stock.”)
    ——————————————————–

    Touché

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