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HGH talks also stalled over discipline for second offense

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As it turns out, the NFL and the NFLPA don’t have only one sticking point when it comes to HGH testing.  They have two.  And that second sticking point could help resolve the first one.

The initial impediment comes from the authority of the Commissioner.  The NFL wants the Commissioner to have final say over discipline imposed for violations of the law relating to performance-enhancing drugs.  The NFLPA wants those penalties to be resolved by third-party arbitration.

Already, the NFL has agreed to use third-party arbitration for the appeal of all positive PED tests.

The second impediment, we’re told, comes from the penalty for a second offense.  The NFLPA wants it to be an eight-game suspension.  The NFL is pushing for a 10-game suspension.

The second issue could provide the two sides with a way to resolve the first one.  The league could agree to an eight-game suspension for a second offense in exchange for retaining jurisdiction over violations of the law.  Or the NFLPA could agree to a 10-game suspension for a second offense in exchange for securing arbitration.

Absent an opportunity for trading horses, there’s no other way the dispute regarding the extent of the Commissioner’s authority can be resolved without one side or the other blinking.

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11 Responses to “HGH talks also stalled over discipline for second offense”
  1. cletusvandam says: Sep 9, 2013 4:13 PM

    A second offense should be a lifetime ban.

  2. ccjcsr says: Sep 9, 2013 4:25 PM

    Second Offense, go see the Principal (Goodell) in his office!

    Are you serious!

  3. savocabol1 says: Sep 9, 2013 4:26 PM

    If they want to make an impact and actually care about whether players are using they would ban them for life for a second offense.

    It is pretty simple…you use you’re out. The threat of being suspended for a couple of games compared to forever would surely stop players from doing it.

  4. endzone says: Sep 9, 2013 4:28 PM

    I don’t care. What’s so terrible about taking substances classifed as nutritional that just keep you on the field. They take the PEDs to recover from the grind and to get over injuries faster. It seems unfair to rush them back on the field after injury because they are needed and then throw them under the bus when they took PEDs to get back on the field. They just can’t win. This whole issue seems to intrude on their freedoms.

  5. tobym333 says: Sep 9, 2013 4:38 PM

    Who cares if the take HGH. I want them on the field. If that means taking it so be it. Its not Test, or Deca or anything crazy . Everyone needs to relax. Imagine this. No one takes it and 4 years from now you have 2nd and 3rd stringers in the game all the time cause the starters who make the cash cant get back on the field cause their hurt all the time. … Then the owners will complain cause their losing money then the next CBA will all the sudden not have it in..just watch.

  6. nananatman says: Sep 9, 2013 4:50 PM

    Chemical Narcotics=Jail-time

  7. granadafan says: Sep 9, 2013 4:54 PM

    “endzone says: Sep 9, 2013 4:28 PM
    I don’t care. What’s so terrible about taking substances classifed as nutritional that just keep you on the field. They take the PEDs to recover from the grind and to get over injuries faster. It seems unfair to rush them back on the field after injury because they are needed and then throw them under the bus when they took PEDs to get back on the field. They just can’t win. [b]This whole issue seems to intrude on their freedoms[/b].”
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    Uh, what does breaking the rules have to do
    intruding “on their freedoms”? That’s a very odd Tea Party view to have and completely misses the point. These players are free not to play pro football if they want to take roids or smoke weed. The NFL is a private enterprise and their employees have to follow their rules.

  8. endzone says: Sep 9, 2013 5:40 PM

    Ah yes rules. Right you are grandafan. Absolutely right, players need to follow the CBA and the employment regulations of the NFL to which they are contracted. I simply feel for their plight and see unfairness in it. Toradol was administered to these players up to just a few years ago by NFL trainers with the full knowledge of owners. It is a powerful nonnarcotic painkiller. They stood in lines before games for injections to dull the pain of their injuries so they could play. Look up case law. It caused many permanent damage. Google it for major newspaper articles. Now they should be fined or suspended from games for HGH or PEDs? And yes I care about their rights but I am not a Tea Party member.

  9. earlcampbellrules says: Sep 9, 2013 6:14 PM

    The players and fans need HGH in the game. Why would anyone want to see players out longer and hurt more often? HGH has amazing healing effects on muscles, tendons, and bones. Why would you not want players to take it? Apparently, all the fans want to see starters hurt more ofter and longer. I guess everybody likes watching backups play. I think every professional athlete should have HGH in their regiment. When used properly, it is an awesome, life changing supplement.

  10. nananatman says: Sep 9, 2013 8:29 PM

    earlcampbellrules “I need drugs bad, I’ll take them AAAAAALLL RIGHT NOW GIMME GIMME GIMME THE DRUGS!!! WANT WANT WANT, NEED, NEED, NEED.” It is a rough translation but I think you answer your own question.

  11. idpfantasyfootball says: Sep 10, 2013 5:53 PM

    Since Peyton Manning had to leave the country to have stem cell treatment deemed illegal in the U.S., shouldn’t he be held accountable under the performance enhancing substance by-laws?

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