Redskins to face protests at Lambeau Field on Sunday

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On Wednesday, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said that, if one person is offended by the Redskins name, the league must listen.

On Sunday, the league apparently will be listening.

Via Meg Jones of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, members of the Oneida Nation will assemble at the Oneida Nation Gate at Lambeau Field to express concerns regarding the Redskins name.

“The warrior image is not the image we want to be portrayed,” Brandon Stevens, an Oneida Nation elected official, told Jones. “We’ve moved past the time of Western encroachment and how the West was won, and that’s where all the images are taken from — when we were a valiant enemy.”

Also, members of the Wisconsin Indian Education Association’s Mascot and Logo Task Force are expected to assemble outside Lambeau Field to protest the name.

And there goes the knee-jerk argument that the only people offended by the name Redskins are people who don’t have red skin.

The efforts take on extra significance because, as best we can recall, it’s the first organized attempt at an NFL game to speak out against the Redskins name.  Which means it’s the kind of thing that can spread to Oakland  (September 29), Dallas (October 13), Denver (October 27), Minnesota (November 7), Philly (November 17), Atlanta (December 15), and New York (December 29).

At some point, protests could pop up at FedEx Field, where the team will play at least seven more games this season.

288 responses to “Redskins to face protests at Lambeau Field on Sunday

  1. The name is not changing. Deal with it. When Daniel Snyder says he’s sticking to his gun, by god he’s made his decision. Best owner in all of sports hands down and he will be rewarded with Superbowls in the near future under the Brilliant work of Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan. The only protest that’s going to happen is from Green Bay fans to their own players after recieving a Burgundy and Gold BEATDOWN Sunday. #WearetheREDSKINSdealwithit

  2. And in response to the Redskins protestors at Lambeau on Sunday:

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  3. I wonder if any similar protests will be held outside the Chiefs stadium on Sunday at their home opener. You know, where they play in ARROWHEAD STADIUM.

    Such absurd hypocrisy.

  4. They don’t want to be associated with the warrior image according to that quote from Stevens.

    That’s not claiming the name is offensive. They are talking about the image as a whole. And I have a really hard time thinking that the image of Native-Americans being warriors is ever going away.

  5. In an interview on 106.7 The Fan in Washington, Goodell, who grew up in the region as a Baltimore Colts and then Redskins fan, said, “I think what we have to do though is we have to listen.”

    “If one person is offended, we have to listen,” he said.
    ———————-

    I am offended with ” New England Patriots”

    Are we not ALL “Patriots”??? Why just New England???

  6. First off I’d like to say that I can see how the name Redskins can be offense to Native Americans.

    However, what i have an issue with is why all of a sudden everybody is offended by the name? The Redskins have been called the Redskins since 1932 and NOW in 2013 everybody has a problem with it?

    Seems very odd to me – somebody has an agenda to gain publicity over this – I’d bet on that.

  7. We’re not going to Protest…..

    ..We’re not going to Protest…..

    …..We’re not going to Protest…..

    …………….We’re not going to Protest…..

  8. And there goes the knee-jerk argument that the only people offended by the name Redskins are people who don’t have red skin.

    The efforts take on extra significance because, as best we can recall, it’s the first organized attempt at an NFL game to speak out against the Redskins name.

    Please explain how that works….It’s the first known organized attempt to speak out against the name and yet it’s a knee jerk reaction for us to wonder why from then till now none of the offended seem to be Native Americans?

  9. Here we go.Well if enough people complain something surely will get done. It happened to the University of North Dakota hockey team and the Fighting Sioux nickname. I think its a joke. Most tribal members took pride in that name but a few didnt and now they cant use that nickname. In my opinion the reservations should be more concerned about the problems on their reservations than about a college nickname.

  10. The anti-pc crowd is very vocal online. When it comes to standing their ground in person, however, they usually scatter. I doubt these protestors will be contested face-to-face by the same folks who generally post their disgust throughout cyberland, unless it’s from a shouting distance.

  11. Because “Packers” doesn’t have any negative or suggestive connotation to it.

    Seriously, these people need to get jobs…or at least a real cause.

    Stay the course, Snyder. Hail!

  12. So if only one Irishman is offended by “Fightin’ Irish,” then they should change the name?

    I mean isn’t that a stereotype of Irish as being drunken brawlers.

    Maybe Norwegians don’t like their history being portrayed as a football mascot, i.e. Minnesota Vikings.

    I am almost 50 years old and I have never heard someone use the terms “Redskins” in a derogatory manner.

    The only people offended are ones who want to be offended.

  13. Kinda sad any of this even needs to be protested. Its too bad ppl in that organization can’t just step up and do what is right and changing their team name and logo. Bringing in rg3 would have been the perfect time to start fresh but the sooner the better.

  14. It seems like a good portion the logos in the NFL would bring nightmares to Native Americans. The Dallas star reminds the Indians of Cowboys trying to drive them off their land. The Buffalo Bills represents an animal that Native Americans coveted and which was nearly destroyed by the white man. And then there are the Vikings, a group that loved to rape and pillage indigenous tribes.

  15. Unbelievable…so now this issue becomes a rallying point. Somebody see’s the deep pockted NFL and wants their share. No way you can keep the hords of anti-Redskin groups from raising their pitchforks so Mr. Synder get ready to cave in and think of a new name.

  16. If any of these protests include more than 50 people I might start to care. That said, it’s pretty unlikely.

  17. So they’re arguing to change the logo, not the name? What do they want the logo to portray? A Native American family man?

  18. Absolutely ridiculous….. Is there nothing better to put ur time and energy into than alogo of an nfl team. Plus why complain now??? This team has been around since 1932.. one idiot makes a complaint and the rest follow.. freaking lemmings..

  19. Since we are not going to show anything from that time period. Does that mean the cowboys need to change their name as well?
    Chicago Blackhawks use an image that is almost identical. How many times have they protested that?
    The vikings were a warring people that killed thousands including whole towns with women and children. Should we be displaying that as well?

    That is only a couple examples, its a slippery slope you want to go down Mike. But being a lawyer I am sure you are all for slippery slopes. The more law suits and laws the better, right? I don’t agree.

  20. I can understand the team’s fans’ affection for the name, which has been used for decades.

    But the name is derogatory and offensive — if you don’t believe me, check any reputable online dictionary. Therefore, the name should be discontinued. It’s that simple.

    Also, I’m sure that the team can find and use the name of a local tribe that would bring honor to the tribe (a la Chicago Blackhawks). That way, it can keep the logo.

  21. The media has created this uproar. Most Indians are focused on tradition, finding jobs and providing for their families rather than this foolishness.
    If “Redskins” is going to be controversial how about the “Browns”? What is a “Brown” anyway other than a person of color?

  22. Some people have too much time on their hands.

    Those who spend their time waiting to be offended at the drop of a hate aren’t worth worrying about.

  23. OMG get over it……81 years they have been named the REDSKINS now it matters???…go shoot some more bullet holes in road signs, sell cancer at a discounted rate and watered down gas and pay no taxes…YOU EARNED IT.

  24. I’m just not buying it. How does it really affect those peoples lives. How many times through movies, satires, cartoons, or other media are certain people portrayed to stereotypes without anyone batting an eye.

  25. I don’t care if anyone claiming to be Native American is offended. They have no right to tell the Washington Redskins owner to change the name of the team. The team name is one of respect. That’s why so many teams were once named Braves, Indians, Redmen, or Warriors. Even if it wasn’t, nobody has the right to tell him to change it.

  26. Its a joke, ask anyone around the GB area about the Oneida Indians and you will find numerous mentions of alcoholism, rampant teen age pregnancy, a high rate of school dropouts and a significant percentage living on government assistance.

    I don’t say this to make light of their problems because they are serious issues but in the top 100 factors affecting the Oneida Indians, the name of a football franchise is hardly one of them. Its sad but anybody who thinks they might feel offended is accorded a special status to intrude on another’s rights.

  27. Well maybe you shouldnt have been warriors. We’ve moved past the times of unionism and the Civil War but the Yankees are still the Yankees and no one cares. In fact, therm Yankee is used by southerners as a dis to an entire group of Americans. This protest is nonsense. Its going to be a bunch of white people who have 10% native american blood in them who are crazed Packers fans. What a joke.

  28. “Yes, it’s racist. It’d be like having a team named the Blackskins, with a rapper as the logo.”

    Call them the Whiteskins then and use a guy at his desk working a job so he can fork over $300 for a ticket to keep this league going. I promise I won’t be offended.

  29. Shouldn’t meat packers be upset with Packers? Shouldn’t cowboys be offended by Dallas’ nickname? Are steel workers upset with Pittsburgh? The name’s intended to honor the bravery and spirit of Native Americans.

  30. “The warrior image is not the image we want to be portrayed,”

    Sooo… Greedy casino owning, al-coholics it is then?

  31. And while we’re at it, also post up the terms Mr. Mrs. Miss and Ms. are all sexist, because they differentiate between different people.

    Start it now with this commenting on this post.

  32. Quoted: “members of the Oneida Nation will assemble at the Oneida Nation Gate at Lambeau Field to express concerns regarding the Redskins name.”

    Um, yeah. Maybe they should get off their high horse and deal with the Hypocrite in their own backyard. Really?! Oneida Nation Gate?! That’s where they will meet to protest a team from another city.

    Genius…Pure Genius…

  33. So sick of this. I really hope Snyder is never forced to change the name.
    “…said American Indians are no longer simply fierce warriors.”
    Just like 49ers are no longer hillbillies panning for gold, and pirates (Raiders, Buccaneers, Pittsburgh Pirates) are (mostly) a thing of the past. Just like Americans today are far more than the musket-wielding rebels portrayed by the Patriots mascot. And what about the Braves, the Yankees, the Chiefs, the Padres, the Cleveland Indians, the Fighting Irish…..
    News flash: NO ONE IS JUDGING YOUR CULTURE BASED OFF A MASCOT. Stop bitching and watch some damn football.

  34. Wisconsin Indian Education Association’s Mascot and Logo Task Force
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    Seriously? You can’t look at that and not think “Man, these people need to find something better to do” or something similar.

    Maybe there will be a competing protest staged by the “Wisconsin Good Housekeeping Society’s Let’s Find Something Better To Do On Sundays Committee”

  35. I imagine that the Oneida nation is most offended by the fact that the Redskins are playing heir favorite team, the Packers.

  36. It’s one thing to love your team and it’s un-PC nickname after years and years. I get that.

    But to dismiss outright the feelings of a community in the United States because you don’t feel the way they do is a disgrace.

    What makes your feelings more valid then theirs?
    Can anybody answer that?

  37. Hopefully, the protesters will be joined by their brethren in the meat-packers union. Professional packers are offended by Green Bay’s team name, right? Ironically, the name was taken from an early corporate sponsor, the Indian Packing Company.

  38. The Vikings, Fighting Irish, Patriots, etc. argument is so absurd. You all sound like fools. “Redskins” is a racial slur. Get it?? No different than if teams were called the Oakland Blackskins or the Miami Kikes or the Brooklyn Degos. How hard is this to understand??? man. This is the 21st century. Not pre-civil rights movement 1932.

  39. I like that statement “an image we’ve moved passed, when we were a valiant enemy.”

    1. It is true they were a valiant enemy and ferocious warriors.

    2. It implies that they would like would like to thrive and grow and accept other ethnicities and their existence here and that the past can’t be changed no matter how much we ALL wish it could.

    Regardless who you are that paragraph be it short is bold and conveys a bold idea that I personally think pays an appropriate and intense homage to warriors past and present.

    Maybe I’m an idiot but that seems huge to me.

  40. @southpaw2k says:
    Sep 12, 2013 1:26 PM
    I wonder if any similar protests will be held outside the Chiefs stadium on Sunday at their home opener. You know, where they play in ARROWHEAD STADIUM.

    Such absurd hypocrisy.

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    Umm, the term chief is a title – used by not only Native Americans, but also by all forms of military even before the existence of the term Native American — and arrowhead is a part of an arrow.

    However, the term redskin is derogatory. It is used to insult people of a certain background.

    They’re nowhere near the same thing and there is no hypocrisy going on here.

  41. warhammer420 says: Sep 12, 2013 1:29 PM
    Yes, it’s racist. It’d be like having a team named the Blackskins, with a rapper as the logo.

    I saw them when they opened up for Dr. Dre and Snoop. Epic concert, bwoyeeee.

  42. I find it interesting that this is coming up now. When I attended the Super Bowl in Minneapolis way back in 1992, there was a large number of Native Americans protesting. I guess no one noticed back then?

  43. I wonder how may Irish men will be protesting The fighting Irish at ND stadium When will this end Team names were picked with pride in mind not to degrade anyone. Maybe instead of protesting people should look for a job

  44. Doesn’t offend us in Blackfeet Nation ! Oneida doing this for publicity ?? We have more important issues that a doggone nickname. Let me know when Black folk protest in front of grocery stores over Uncle Bens rice or Aunt Jemima pancakes….

  45. people refer to african americans as Blacks all the time in the media, black people included. When they call themselves blacks there are refering to their skin color as everyone already knows. would it be offensive if they started saying black skins? No… it would just sound stupid. So why is redskins so offensive? it’s so stupid. It’s never been used as a word to insult or degrade 1st nations people. It’s mearly an old school name for 1st nations people. The team and logo are celebrating the strength and courage as well as the heritage of 1st nation people. For some stupid reason some unknown force is behind getting this thing changed. It’s so stupid. I don’t blame Snieder for not wanting to change the name. This is just getting really old and becoming a stupid story. It’s exactly whats wrong with society today. Over react to everything and make a big deal out of nothing.

  46. Where did Oneida Nation earn its right to have any opinion on this? Who says “Redskins” or the logo refers to the Oneida Nation? Perhaps, the name was based on the appearance of the color of the skin of the person, like Giants or Titans is based on a person’s size.

    It’s just a damn description. If we’re not allowed to talk about skin color, why do so many forms ask us to describe ourselves? I’m not really “white,” and a “black” person may not really be black. We’ve come so far that we now call every black person African-American, even if they are not American.

    And where do they get that the logo is a “warrior image”? It just looks like a sleeping, ugly woman with a big nose and a feather in her hair. I would not consider her to be a warrior, but I wouldn’t want to date her, either. Whoops, guess I’m a misogynist.

    And who is the “Wisconsin Indian Education Association’s Mascot and Logo Task Force,” and why do they have the word “indian” in the name when whoever was on this piece of land now known as the United States of America was not from India? That’s fraud, mother . . .

    Crying, whining, hysteria, feigning offense, and looking for some sort of a financial handout. Hmmm, sounds like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

    Mr. Snyder, what are you gonna do?

  47. @clssylssy says:
    Sep 12, 2013 1:40 PM
    The media has created this uproar. Most Indians are focused on tradition, finding jobs and providing for their families rather than this foolishness.
    If “Redskins” is going to be controversial how about the “Browns”? What is a “Brown” anyway other than a person of color?

    =====

    Or the Browns were named after Paul Brown, you know, the first coach and owner of the Browns. Also known as “the father of modern football.”

    But hey, no need to let facts get in the way of your argument.

  48. how about they spend time and money on important issues that they face on reservations? you know things like education, medical needs, and substance abuse rather than on a sports teams name? sorry you are offended but I and the vast majority of fans only make the connection of the name Redskins to the football team and not a race of people. I am offended that because you are offended I can’t enjoy sports without all the pc nonsense being thrown in my face.

  49. While I don’t have a dog in the fight, why not just shorten the name to the ‘Skins and leave it at that?

    Is that offensive?

    If not, it seems like a logical and fair solution — gets away from the racial slur and it keeps the history of the team somewhat in tact.

    Of course, singing the team fight song might be awkward, but oh well…

  50. I have a problem with the name for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Them having that name seems like real Jaguars are gentle and not very dangerous. It gives the wrong impression.

  51. The politically correct bunch have an agenda they want to control our lives. First they came after spanking and we see how that worked out. Then it was to put adults under hypnosis to see whether they were molested as children by their parents. It has spread from there. I think we should take our lives back and tell these idiots to climb back into the swamp.

  52. sactogary says:
    Sep 12, 2013 1:49 PM
    Hopefully, the protesters will be joined by their brethren in the meat-packers union. Professional packers are offended by Green Bay’s team name, right? Ironically, the name was taken from an early corporate sponsor, the Indian Packing Company.

    ____________

    Actually it was the Acme Packing Co.

  53. The Redskins should come into town with some packing laborers who are offended by the term “packers”. These are proud workers whose lives are worth more than being defined by just one single task, what do you think we are just mindless drones that punch a clock and pack stuff on an assembly line like drones? The job is so much more than that and there are many other duties throughout the day than just slapping stuff in boxes. Goodell needs to listen to all of the people who are surely offended by that term.

    Well after all the political dust settles, this should be one great game between the R’s and the P’s.

  54. And there goes the knee-jerk argument that the only people offended by the name Redskins are people who don’t have red skin.
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    Native Americans do not have red skin. Their skins is brown. If you’re offended by the name Redskin, you shouldn’t be referring to Native Americans as people who have red skin.

  55. I Personally feel bad ONLY for the horses who have to carry all these Indians from stadium to stadium to protest the team name. Save a horse, ride a Cowboy, smoke your peace pipe, and hope the winter won’t be to cold. #HAIL #navahoebags

  56. I think Redskins fans should protest the word Packers, the people of San Francisco definitely would.

  57. I wonder if this protest will be like the “Million Muslim March” yesterday in DC- A Million bucks worth of publicity & 13 people actually showed up…

    All you protesting people think it’s great to force your opinion on Dan Snyder’s team…It’s always good until the same pressure is brought to bear on YOU someday for thinking wrong or saying something wrong in the eyes of the mysterious group known as “Most People”, or the Mainstream in America….

    America is supposed to be the land where government protects the rights of minorities, but that’s not the same as the land where minorities can oppress the majority!!!

  58. I think these protesters would do more for the Native American Indian population if they would start visiting and working at improving places like the Pine Ridge Reservation here in South Dakota. Then they can start attacking the name of a football mascot after they start fixing the stereotypes.

  59. whatnojets says:
    Sep 12, 2013 1:27 PM
    In an interview on 106.7 The Fan in Washington, Goodell, who grew up in the region as a Baltimore Colts and then Redskins fan, said, “I think what we have to do though is we have to listen.”

    “If one person is offended, we have to listen,” he said.
    ———————-

    I am offended with ” New England Patriots”

    Are we not ALL “Patriots”??? Why just New England???

    ———————————————–

    It’s because New England is soooooooo much more patriotic than the rest of us. Just as there are so many more cowboys in Dallas than the rest of the country, New Orleans is the only saintly city in the country, and Tampa is filled with a bunch of pirates.

  60. The Washington nickname is disrespectful and derogatory to Native Americans. It’s about time the team made a change. This isn’t really about football or the tradition. It’s about being sensitive to other human beings who live in the USA just as ethnic group or race.

  61. I’m a lifelong Redskins fan and have never felt that the name needed to be changed despite what the PC police have to say…but I do get the feeling that the NFL isn’t going to back Snyder on this issue if push comes to shove and that someday, probably not anytime soon, a name change is going to happen.

    And honestly, I would be OK with it. I’m not pining for a change and if I had my druthers they’d be the Redskins now and forever but it’s not going to affect my fandom one iota if the name Redskins is done away with. What WOULD irritate the hell out of me is if they do something stupid like our woeful NBA franchise did, and adopt to an absolutely ridiculous moniker like the “Wizards”.

    I’d want to keep our colors. And I’d want to keep the logo so we can maintain ties to our past even if the name has to change. Keeping the same symbol is great but even updating it using Native American imagery would be fine provided it was tasteful.

    Lots of people in favor of Washington Warriors which is…well, uninspired. So how about the Washington Warpath? Cool name, great alliteration, we can still use the logo, and it’s got history with the franchise from our beloved fight song. I could get behind that.

  62. All im saying is if you pay 50 bucks to park and dont even go to the game..but instead you protest..im going to assume there’s gonna be dozens of people doing it…who wins..oh yeah i hope its not hot so you dont have to buy a beverage and give em more money either..lol..Redskins Football team 1 – protesters 0

  63. “I don’t know anyone thats offended by the name so there for no one is offended by it”

    Protesting to show we are offended

    “Why are they protesting, this is dumb stand strong Snyder”

    Just admit that you don’t care if people are offended as long as you don’t have to get use to a new nfl team name…

  64. It would be nice if we could go back to the way this country used to be! Way too busy working hard to find the time to complain about every little percieved injustice and slight. We are wiping every bit of history right off the map and forgetting where we come from in the name of political correctness.

    The mascots of teams are nothing more than symobls and reminders of where we come from and how we got to where we are today. In my book that makes it far from insensitive, quiet the oppisite.

  65. I’m sure Mara is paying this tribe to protest. He likes using backhanded methods of taking down his opponents, especially the Redskins.

  66. Why aren’t these people picketing the Braves. You know the team with a Tomahawk.
    The pure symbol of indian war.
    Florio for all of what you say you should be revolting at the fact that the braves have a tomahawk as their symbol.

    What about the Chiefs with an Arrow head. What is more gear towards war an arrow head or picture of a guy?

  67. Well since the Indian population is the only folks in Wisconsin who can have casinos and get stuff tax free. I can’t even listen to them. Don’t know what it’s like to be an American and have an American opinion unless you pay taxes coming and going on everything.

  68. They are coming for the Redskins now, next will be the Cheifs, then the Vikings, and so on. I don’t doubt that in 1oo years, the people who came after the Redskins kids will say the Dolphins and/or Bears are offensive to animals and they’ll have to face the name change crowd. PC people suck and I just hope protesters don’t ever show up to FedEx because they will not know what hit them and I’m serious.

  69. ugh…the last thing this team needs is more distractions.

    it’s hard enough for them to come back with a Griffin coming back from injury and an inexperienced secondary.

    even the nfl is throwing barrels at their feet by harrassing Griffin with equipment concerns WHILE THE GAME IS GOING ON.

    sometimes i wonder if the media and the nfl just wants this franchise to fail.

  70. And if the protest doesn’t work, you can always count on the old reliable plan B. Spear every walleye and muskie out of the lakes.

  71. How about a vote among the season ticket holders of all 32 teams? Keep the non-football political agenda out of it.

  72. i want to see people protest at chicago games because they are using bears, which demeans the animals, or how about protest miami, dolphins are mammals and they have feelings, maybe arizona……….

  73. I agree with other posters, this pc thinking should effect the cle Indians, fsu, KC chiefs, on and on and on and on. Put an indian casino at redskins field and they would be fine with the name.

  74. I think it’s awesome that Snyder sues a paper for anti-semetic remarks, but doesn’t see Redskins as offensive. And that is how you ‘Murican.

  75. To all the people thinking that this is tied to Packer fans, its not. Why would they want any more people at their stadium, it’s already sold out and packed on gameday. This has nothing to do with Packer fans.

  76. I have a great New name!!!

    “The Washington Logical Voices”

    or

    “The Washington Do-Nothing Bureaucrats”!

  77. Boo hoo all you people who just couldn’t bear to have your team’s name and logo changed. And I love the argument that it’s been the redskins forever so we should just leave it that way. Really? Then I guess that slavery should still be legal, women shouldn’t be allowed to vote and we shouldn’t allow African-Americans in Major League Baseball. It’s a ridiculously offensive name that should’ve been changed 20 years ago. And generalizing by saying that other teams names like the Packers, Vikings, Blackhawks etc. should then be changed too just exposes your true ignorance. There isn’t another team name out there that even comes close to this one in terms of it’s racist and derogatory meaning.

    Perhaps the name should just be changed to Rednecks because that’s the mindset displayed by those that refuse to move into the 21st century.

  78. chiefs and braves are not derogatory terms. neither is arrowhead stadium. to the indians, redskin is as bad as the N word. someone put it right by asking would an expansion team be allowed to come in with the name redskins….. NO.
    teams change names, it can be done. let it go and find a new team name.

  79. Some of these comments are just plain ignorant. From trying to claim offense because of the name ” New England Patriots” to comparing the Chiefs name to the redskins name. The people protesting are legitimate native Americans and clearly have a problem with the name. Since the term Patriot really has never been demeaning, the comparison on that front is absurd. Chiefs at least is a more valid comparison but isn’t generally a demeaning name, nor is arrowhead stadium. The term Redskin is a slang, negative term used to describe native Americans. While I agree our world is extremely politcally correct these days, if the teams name were ” the sambos” or any other racist but not mainstream racist term it would have been changed long ago. Fans need to just deal with it. the name changing is going to make the way the team plays change, or suddenly make the team horrible. It just makes yall butt hurt because yall are fans. heck I bet with a name change proceeded by a winning season or even a Superbowl run no one would care what the name was even changed too. Washington out houses super bowl champions. Still had s nice ring to it

  80. What ever happened to “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me”? The term “Redskin” is essentially dead as a racially offensive term. No one runs around telling security they’ll fight every Redskin in here. It’s not 1843.

    I think Washington should keep the name and change the logo to a potato. That’d really get their goose.

  81. The efforts take on extra significance because, as best we can recall, it’s the first organized attempt at an NFL game to speak out against the Redskins name. Which means it’s the kind of thing that can spread to Oakland (September 29), Dallas (October 13), Denver (October 27), Minnesota (November 7), Philly (November 17), Atlanta (December 15), and New York (December 29).

    duece5 says:

    Mike, the above is NOT accurate……AT ALL!!!

    I have been to games where the redskins were the opponent, and saw with my own eyes, a small group that was picketing the metrodome before and after the games……this happened 20 years ago!!

    It has happened in Indy as well……..

  82. they should just change the nick name back to the Braves and the logo back to the spear and keep the colors the same. That way they can keep the history and tradition of the team while compromising some.

  83. What about Pirates? Are they offended by the name Bucanneers? Or atheists? Are they offended by the Saints? Or Law enforcement? They offended by the Steelers? I mean come on.. you can always find someone who is offended by something

  84. As a member of the porpoise community I would like to protest the Miami Dolphins using a logo depicting a porpoise.

    Dolphins are not porpoises.

    Signed,
    Flipper

  85. trollsetter says: Sep 12, 2013 2:07 PM

    I didn’t know Wisconsin was racially diverse.
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    Wisconsin has certainly had its share of visitors. The French missionaries and explorers began visiting here in the late 16th century.

  86. I hear the Milwaukee Mashapequot tribe is not to be screwed with. I would hate to see what a bald RG3 would look like after this protest…

  87. While we’re at it, I could be offended and want to protest the name of the New York Jets. I mean, a jet could fly over my house and wake me up or one of my kids. Think of the children! THE CHILDREN!

  88. audient says: Sep 12, 2013 1:35 PM

    But, but, but I thought someone knew some Indian Chief who said it was ok.

    (of course it isn’t ok.)
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    The Logo was designed in 1967 by Walter Wetzel, a chief of the Blackfoot Nation and president of Nation Congress of American Indians. This is a fact, but it doesn’t really affect the discussion.

    “Fact vs. fact” debate between non-natives is a moot point in this discussion. All that really matters is the sentiments of the Native community as a whole. The Oneida nation has been very vocal about their opposition to the name and mascot for quite some time, but it’s another fact that the only poll ever done on the subject, a massive, four-year study by UPENN’s Annenberg institute (using a sample size 200 that of an average Gallup poll), concluded that 92% of our Native population did not want the name to change.

    And while the Oneida Nation will continue to strongly oppose the name for as long as it continues to exist, it’s also important to recognize that “the Redskins” have been public sanctioned by the Pamunkey Nation, the Neponsett-Ponkapoag Nation, the Choctaw Nation, the Potawotamie Nation, the Miami Nation, and the Menominee Nation.

    Of the 61 high schools currently using the Redskins as a mascot, 49 are located on, or just outside of Native reservations. The feelings of the Oneida Nation shouldn’t be ignored, but neither should we let their protests get blown out of proportion by the Media– as they are the ones truly gaining from the controversy over the name.

    While news outlet after news outlet boldly declares they will no longer discuss the Washington Redskins; the reservation population of Teton, Idaho and Teec Nos Pos Arizona, struggle mightily to retain their high school mascot: “the Redskins”; even as the state government attempts to strip the name, in order to “do what’s right” for the Native population.

    Until we see media and political activists truly working in tandem with fully representative Native leadership to oppose the name, this is not an “issue”, it’s not a “crusade”, it’s not even a “cause”. It’s just blowhard soapboxing for attention, readership, and political gain.

  89. smackingfools says: Sep 12, 2013 2:28 PM

    I wish we still lived in the real America. And not this phony, crybaby nation we live in now

    duece5 says:

    Great statement smacking….

    The problem is, we have soooooo many liberal causes that rub America sideways on every little thing, we can’t see the forest through the trees!

    We call someone a “girl”, it is now unbelieveably uncaring and hurtful!!!

    Wow, we live in such a WUSS society……makes me ill!!!!!!!!

    Why does everyone want a handout on everything?
    Why does EVERYONE think they’ve been wronged?
    Why does everyone think they are “owed” something?
    Why do we have a country full of slackers?

    The liberal media continues to throw it too us at every angle.

    I prefer to reap what is sown, and go EARN IT!!!!

    Proud to be a conservative!!!!

  90. Biggest case of political correctness gone wild ever. It’s a nickname for crying out loud. Are white people upset they are classified as Raiders and Buccaneers? Do Irish people get upset at the “Fighting Irish”. Do Satanists get upset by the “Saints”, or Christians get upset at the “New Jersey Devils?” This is so out of control.

  91. Wisconsin has certainly had its share of visitors. The French missionaries and explorers began visiting here in the late 16th century.
    —————————–

    Does this guy know how to party or what!?

  92. eaglesfan290 says:
    Sep 12, 2013 2:12 PM

    It would be nice if we could go back to the way this country used to be! Way too busy working hard to find the time to complain about every little percieved injustice and slight.

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    Agree. Not to make light of the issue, and it is a serious matter. But there are more pressing issues that the country, more specifically, our politicians, should focus on.

  93. To all that like to quote the dictionary, also look up their definition of White, then look up the word Black. Funny how dictionary definitions can be made to fit whatever the author wants you to think.

  94. This whole ordeal is assanine! The Redskins, in my opinion is one of the few reasons that Indians anywhere are even remembered anyway other than getting raped at the Indian operated casinos. Do gooders make me sick. Get a fawking job people, and quit pretending you give a rats ass about anything other than some BS utopian dream that you learned about in some BS liberal arts school. Well, lets see, Im offended by the name Yankees, they burned my ancestors plantations to the ground and killed my family members in cold blood. So, you know we can all get socially and politically correct. Nobody will remember the American Indian in a another generation or so because all clues of their former existence as a people will be removed by useless idiots like the ones trying to rewrite the annals of NFL history. Get a job free loaders! Oh wait, you can’t find one anymore because that moron that you liberal minded dimwhits voted into the Whitehouse has destroyed our economy.

  95. 2greatgoldens says:

    “Perhaps the name should just be changed to Rednecks because that’s the mindset displayed by those that refuse to move into the 21st century.”

    It never ceases to amaze me that all you people arguing for “offensive names” to be changed do so why using “offensive language” yourself.

    “Redneck” is a highly demeaning term for country folk. I work outside all day on the farm…therefore I have a redneck…therefore I am stupid, uncultured and bigotted.

    So basically you’ve just exposed yourself in being just as offensive with your language as the people you are arguing against. Congratulations!

  96. You wouldn’t have a team named “the Washington Darkies” with an African American as a logo. You wouldn’t have the Washington Crackers with Honey Boo Boo as the logo. You wouldn’t have the Washington Slant Eyes with Genghis Khan with an overbite.

    For all of you saying it doesn’t offend you, great. But it clearly offends many people. Your personal experiences do not negate their feelings.

    It’s time to change the name.

  97. alexb1234 says:
    Sep 12, 2013 1:28 PM
    First off I’d like to say that I can see how the name Redskins can be offense to Native Americans.

    However, what i have an issue with is why all of a sudden everybody is offended by the name? The Redskins have been called the Redskins since 1932 and NOW in 2013 everybody has a problem with it?

    Seems very odd to me – somebody has an agenda to gain publicity over this – I’d bet on that.
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    There’s always been Native American people’s who have been offended by this. It’s just a simple fact that they’re so small of a group that no one will listen. This are big businesses and corporation. They won’t listen until they start taking a hit in the pockets.

    Yea, Native Americans have been offended and if they went on strike and boycotted the Redskins no one would notice because that massive stadium is selling out. They’re still making money.

    I think that no one is educating the world on what exactly the Native Americans are offended by. I think if more people knew the meaning behind the “Redskins” name, more people would care. But, as of now if you mention “Redskins” to the average person, they’ll think of the team. Not Native Americans.

  98. pgilbert2013 says: Sep 12, 2013 2:46 PM

    I hear the Milwaukee Mashapequot tribe is not to be screwed with. I would hate to see what a bald RG3 would look like after this protest…
    ________________
    Wait, so the guy who’s offended that there is a team named “the Redskins” is making a joke about people of Native descent scalping one of that team’s players? Natives are people. And people don’t attack other people without just provocation.

    Are you arguing that the men and women of the Mashapequot Nation are not smart enough to see that Griffin, or any Redskins supporter, is a football fan, and not trying to personally degrade them or belittle their culture in any way? They may not like the team name, but they are not irrational or psychotic human beings.

  99. > So do they protest the Cleveland Indians too???

    Yes. At the home opener, every year, for many years, Native Americans and their supporters have protested outside the ballpark in Cleveland.

    I used to be dismissive of their protests. But then I thought about, and I see their point. I no longer buy or wear Chief Wahoo gear, and I think they should retire that logo. And while they’re at it, change the name of the Indians. I don’t know whether the name “Indians” is offensive, but why keep a name that might be offensive, and why keep a name when you probably can’t create a mascot for that name that isn’t offensive.

  100. 3yardsandacloud says:

    > I think Washington should keep the name and change the logo to a potato. That’d really get their goose.

    So, what you are saying, it that you understand it is offensive and that you would like keep offending them.

  101. The most convincing argument for change is quickly becoming the callousness of actual Washington fans. I’ve not heard one serious, coherent argument defending the name, and definitely not one shrouded in even a hint of empathy.

    It’s not a politically correct thing, it’s a kindness thing. Respecting fellow human beings is taught to children alongside circling the blue square and not eating glue. Growth happens, things change, it’s really that simple.

    I’m a lifelong Cleveland fan and would be happy to support changing the Indians name.

    Your move Washington.

  102. dallascowboysdishingthereal says:
    Sep 12, 2013 3:09 PM
    Of course native americans have moved on but it doesn’t undo their important place in history. The redskin name honors that history. Move on.
    What’s next, cancel Thanksgiving?
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    Their important place in history? Getting slaughtered?

  103. The real question is, will the tribe put down the bottles and pipes when they do this? Tribes in this state have much larger issues than football teams. Also, if I read those quotes right… they didn’t say the name was racist, they said they didn’t want to be portrayed as their historical warriors.

  104. It’s funny how this is taken so seriously but when that cooper guy can say something so sick and still have a job is pretty ridiculous. What a stupid world we live in.

  105. I find the fact that Lambeau Field is named after a person of French descent offensive.
    The French have surrendered to anyone who will stand still; why name a stadium after such a group??
    Everything offends me; I just offended myself! Maybe Goodell will chime in on this?? :mrgreen:

  106. Aside from humans, dolphins are some of the smartest creatures on the earth. Just because we can’t speak their language doesn’t mean they aren’t trying to be heard. I am sure that if we could decipher what they are saying, they would be trying to convey the message that it hurts their feelings to be named after a football team.

    Surely I am not the only one who doesn’t want to offend our only aquatic ally. The team’s name should be the Miami Marine Life.

  107. Actually, Southpaw2k – I was at the game in ’05 when the Redskins were at Arrowhead and there were Native Americans protesting both teams.

  108. Redneck is an offensive term used to describe working country people. Such people had “red necks” from working outside on the farm. People from the city made fun of country people by characterizing them as stupid and uncooth.

    Therefore the term redneck is patently offensive.

  109. Easy solution:

    Change the logo to the retro logo of the “R” within the same yellow circular frame & feathers. Keep the team name Redskins and tell them it is a potato…how can they prove its not?

    Easy solution 2:

    Keep the logo and name the same and make a new mascot that has the current logo’s face carved into a giant potato and announce that it is not a Native American but a Redskin Potato Man.

    That would be a big flipping of the bird to all you PC ninnies out there.

  110. mossnomore says:
    Sep 12, 2013 3:26 PM

    Surely I am not the only one who doesn’t want to offend our only aquatic ally. The team’s name should be the Miami Marine Life.

    ————

    But even if you WERE the only person, Roger Goddell would listen!

  111. The efforts take on extra significance because…Oakland (September 29), Dallas (October 13), Denver (October 27), Minnesota (November 7), Philly (November 17), Atlanta (December 15), and New York (December 29).

    At some point, protests could pop up at FedEx Field, where the team will play at least seven more games this season.
    ____________________
    Yeah, it certainly would be significant if the Native population of Calaveras CA, Little River NE, Neshaminy Designated Area PA, Loudon TN, and Tulare CA turned up to protest the Oakland, Denver, Philly, Atlanta, and San Diego games respectively, after watching their kids play for the “Redskins” on Friday night.

    It would be even more significant if the local Pamunkey and Patawomec tribes, who have both come out in support of the Redskins name, decided to organize protests in Landover.

  112. cajunaise says:
    Sep 12, 2013 1:30 PM
    The anti-pc crowd is very vocal online. When it comes to standing their ground in person, however, they usually scatter. I doubt these protestors will be contested face-to-face by the same folks who generally post their disgust throughout cyberland, unless it’s from a shouting distance.

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    The anti-freedom, pc brow-beaters highly value criticising their opponents & obtusely involving themselves into the lives of others.

    Pro-freedom folks don’t let the opinions of others get in the way of the pursuits of their lives.
    They are content to mock your PC folly & move on to what actually interests them.

  113. If they really want to update the football team name for our nations capital, I think “The Washington Corruptions” fits perfect.

  114. Wow, so it sounds like to me that the Native Americans want respect. How about they show some respect to their own land first. My God what a mess. Not one sign without a bullet hole, not one house without broken windows or a half dozen wrecked cars sitting in the yards. Casino pay check day, the nearest off reservation liquor store, shelves empty… To get respect you first have to show respect.

  115. I love how many defenders of this terrible name bemoan people being offended but are themselves very offended at the idea of changing the name. You guys keep saying it’s just a name, right? If that’s the case, then changing it shouldn’t be a problem.

    Chiefs are a title held by respected Natives.
    Irish people own and operate Notre Dame.
    Vikings are a historical name and not derogatory.
    Only a total moron would suggest anyone would be offended by an animal name.
    Redskins classifies an entire race of people by the color of their skin.

    This isn’t that hard to understand, is it?

  116. If they do end up having to change the name, they could change it to something like the Washington Warbonnets. That way they could keep the same logo, or even add to it, and they wouldn’t have to change the HTTR fight song.

  117. Goodell, time for you to retire. You have turned into a thin-skinned overbearing tyrant. Your system for fining players is a joke, no objectivity at all, just image.

    “If one person is offended by the Redskins name the league must listen”.

    They have been using the Redskins name since 1933. Just because some politically correct liberals think it is demeaning is not a good reason to try to make the franchise change their name. Oh, I forgot, Goodell is probably a politically correct liberal.

    Snyder should issue a statement to the effect that Goodell should pound sand and mind his own business – or be fired.

  118. Atleast this is an understandable protest and not about the name.

    The team was formed by George Preston Marshall in 1932 as the Boston Braves. They played at Braves field with the then Boston Baseball team (who later moved to Milwaukee and then to Atlanta). The team image came from this association, borrowing a start and fan base from an established following. The following year (1933) Marshall’s business partners left the upstart. Marshall now the full owner decided to move the team to Fenway Park, where the Boston Red Sox still play. Marshall being a shrewd business man (frugal/cheap) from his other businesses, such as his laundry chain, was also now on his own. Following his first example of trying to latch onto existing fan bases he renamed the team, without changing anything else that would cost him money or the tie-in with the braves fanebase. Too cheap to change and wanting to leach off of both fan bases in Boston, while keeping the name(s) of the popular baseball teams and the name of the new landlords at Fenway you get the present name. Red Sox + Braves = Redskins.

    The image of the team never changed from the Braves. The new name is meant to allude to the native warrior theme. For those not understanding this… “Allude: suggest or call attention to indirectly; hint at.” or “recall in such a way as to suggest a relationship with it.” Obvious intent and connection to Braves, native warriors, warpaint, etc…

    Is there an outside correlation to the *assumed derogatory reference as “redskin,” possibly at a personal level for Marshall. Was George Preston Marshall a biggot? From many accounts yes, but so were most rich white guys of the time, including those who owned most other sports franchises. The simple facts remain to the meaning, use of and history of the name of the team; as not being derogatory.

    From 1933-1934 William Henry “Lone Star” Dietz was the now “Redskins” head coach (and player). Thought to be a member the Sioux Nation. Also having attended the Chilocco Indian Agricultural School and played at the Carlisle Indian Industrial School, a teammate of Jim Thorpe. The reason Dietz is mentioned at all is because of how Marshall used him and his image (factual or not is unknown to Marshall.)

    “On or about July 8, 1933, Mr. Marshall officially changed the name of his franchise from the “Boston Braves” to the “Boston Redskins.” Mr. Marshall chose to rename his franchise the Redskins in honor of the team’s head coach, William “Lone Star” Dietz, who was a Native American.”

    This has become the basis of the contestation against the team name. That because his heritage is contested his image (and use of his image as native american) is a detriment to the teams name and history. He attended a native american agriculture school, native american “college” and was married to famous native american artist Angel De Cora until her death in 1919. His complexion and image was such that even the main historical proponent of Dietz false heritage wrote this… “Naturally, visitors to the St. Louis World’s Fair exhibit, including Dietz’s future wife, Winnebago artist Angel De Cora, thought Dietz was a Chilocco student.” His heritage was not in doubt at the time with history at native american instutions and a famous native american wife.

    George Preston Marshall using Dietz to grandstand the name change for attention is part of the current problem with the name. That was all it was though, grandstanding to draw positive (at the time) attention to the name and image to ignore his piggybacking and cheap business practices with the team name and image. He would go so far as to have Dietz wear indian headdress a few times and to have the media (at the time) write that Marshall had “dishonored” his Indian coach by firing him later on.

    The team name is not and never has been racially motivated. The focus of the team name and image is that of its foundation, the Braves baseball organization; Which became the Braves in 1912. The name and imagery of the now Boston Braves baseball organization came from the owner at the time being a member of Tammany Hall, which used an Indian chief as their symbol. The native american chief used for Tammany Halls imagery, name and lead to native words and titles being used was Chief Tamanend. “Under the name “Tammany”, he was a popular figure in America, especially in Philadelphia. Referred to as “Patron Saint of America”, he became an emblem of peace and amity.” This is the absolute root and patron of both the Braves and Redskisn name(s).

    None of this is racially based, none of this is racially insensitive. The arguement can be made for being culturally insensitive. Having the focus of a culture on its warrior or military aspect; or you can argue the insensitivity of the evolution from the base of a pieceful chieftan to the present imagery of the brave being used. Remember though, this is a discussion over a sports teams name, where aggression, fighting and all associated imagery is used.

    So while the original owner may have been a biggot and culturally insensitive, he was also cheap and business savvy. It is not in any way believeable that the team name originated from hatred or malice that would doom his own venture. The Redskins organization uses what they believe to be a “noble” image of a Native American chief, sans the warrior garb or warpaint. What was done out of cultural sensitivity is being thought of as the image of a “red skinned persion” and racist by those looking to find a problems or causes to champion. The majority of studies show a very highly favorable percentage of the native american population to the Redskins name and imagery. It would be in the Redskins favor to explain the real history of the name and associated imagery; to get away from the grandstanding and now contested false history of the name.

    *The reason I mention “assumed derogatory reference” is the simple verbiage (manner of expressing oneself in words) used in the conversation between “Red skins” and the “white skins.” This was the the base of communication between different cultures and languages; using native verbiage and structure. The white-skins and red-skins communicating through reference.

  119. Just had to tip my hat to Mr. Florio for that itemized list of away games and locations. Brilliant, sir, and sly.

  120. correct me if I am wrong but aren’t the packers named after meat packers who work in slaughter houses and probably or most likely rooted for their beloved packers and still do? so why would packer fans protest this? kind of hypocritical don’t ya think?

  121. We split a lake home up north in WI with our extended family in an area where Native Americans are abundant and you see them everywhere you go. Most of them think this a complete joke and more than that actually applaud or embrace the monikers of the Redskins, Milwaukee and Atlanta Braves, and the local high school and college teams with Native American meaning. I guarantee there will be people of Native decent on the other side of the argument present at Lambeau supporting the name too, but you won’t see or hear boo about it.

    The bigger picture in all of this will be when the history books fade, the city and street names all change, the high school and the college fight names all change to something “less offensive,” you’ll have this same group rallying up in arms that they’re a forgotten people and get no respect…..and you people erased our existence. ada yada

    I saw this go down with my Marquette Warriors. Everyone struck a chord with changing the Native American into a non-descript fighter…but that was just too much. So now they’re the Golden Eagles…..an animal that doesn’t reside anywhere near WI. What the hey happened to this country and their thin skin…Ooops is that an insult to some race too? I’m waiting for some Southern hicks who lost family in the Civil War to start complaining about the name “Yankees” bringing up too much pain from the past. Don’t laugh…that will be next.

  122. “If one person is offended, we have to listen,”

    Right. In today’s society, there will be at least one person that’s offended by ANYTHING.

  123. The protests before the game will pale in comparison to the protests after the game. You know when the Packers get there a** handed to them there will be all kinds of whining on how the Packers took it in the rear from the refs again.

  124. What do all Redskins fans that I know call their team? The Skins.

    Would the sky really fall if they officially changed their name to the Washington Skins? No.

    If the Skins stopped using the face of a Native American as their logo, would the franchise survive? Yes.

    Syracuse University changed from Orangemen to Orange. St. John’s University changed from Redmen to Red Storm. Last I checked, those two institutions are alive and well.

    I understand the Skins are no my team (I’m a Giants fan). But I just don’t think dropping three letters from your nickname is the massive seismic event many seem to make it out to be.

  125. This PC crap is really starting to get old. Before too much longer, the NFL will look like this.

    AFCE
    New England Revolutionary Soldiers
    Buffalo Wild West Showmen
    New York Turbine Operated Flying Machines
    Miami Aquatic Mammals

    AFCN
    Cincinnati Orange and Black Striped Jungle Preditory Felines
    Cleveland Fecal Pigmentations
    Baltimore Genus Corvus
    Pittsburgh Metal Fabrication Persons

    AFCS
    Indianapolis Young Geldings
    Houston Texas Citizenry
    Tennessee Mythological Deities
    Jacksonville Speed Gifted Predatory Felines

    AFCW
    Kansas City Native American Tribe Leaders
    Denver Untrained Horses
    Oakland Naval Attackers
    San Diego Electrical Collectors

    NFCE
    New York Vertically Gifted Persons
    Philadelphia Large Predatory Birds
    Washington Native American Warriors
    Dallas Cattle Herding Persons

    NFCN
    Green Bay Shipping Container Filling Employees
    Minnesota Norse Persons
    Detroit Desert Plains Predatory Felines
    Chicago Doglike Carnivorans

    NFCS
    Carolina Mountain Predatory Felines
    Atlanta Medium Predatory Birds
    New Orleans Catholic Holy Persons
    Tamp Bay Pirate Crew Persons

    NFCW
    Seattle Ocean Residing Medium Predatory Birds
    Arizona Midwest Crimson Hued Birds
    San Francisco Gold Rush Participants
    St Louis Mountain Horned Sheep

    Please stop this madness.

  126. You know what, here’s an easy solution: Call them the Auburnskins from now on. I’ll do that starting now.

  127. The first use of red-skin or red indian may have been limited to specific groups that used red pigments to decorate their bodies, such as the Beothuk people of Newfoundland who painted their bodies with red ochre.[10] Redskin is first recorded in the late 17th century and was applied to the Algonquian peoples generally, but specifically to the Delaware (who lived in what is now southern New York State and New York City, New Jersey, and eastern Pennsylvania). Redskin referred not to the natural skin color of the Delaware, but to their use of vermilion face paint and body paint.

  128. Only the logicalvoice or Goldman Sachs could praise Dan Snyder – when the Iggles kicked your ass you said it was a marathon not a sprint – you were close to once – it is a MORON-A-THON …happy 20th Anniversary of your last SuperBowl win – Deadskin

  129. However, the term redskin is derogatory. It is used to insult people of a certain background.
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    Where? When? Give us examples. I encourage you to research that. Good luck finding any though. ALL the research on the term’s etymology shows no derogatory aspect or usage at all. All you can find is a bunch of people within the last 10 years or so who claim it is racist. They offer no validation other than it sounds like it ought to be so it therefor is racist.

  130. All you people kept claiming that Native Americans didn’t have a problem or even liked those team names. Well, guess what, here is a group that is quite vocal, quite large, and quite loud. And they have a very organized opposition put together.

    So will you all be willing to listen to those that ARE offended now, or will you find another excuse to ignore requests to change the Redskin name!

  131. As for this being a “new” issue, Chris Rock made a joke about how racist the Redskin name is on SNL in like 1987 or 1988, so this is hardly new. This is just the largest swell of support to change the name in an official capacity with actual government officials in the mix.

  132. @theguywhosaidit

    I think they would have a better shot at keeping the name if you were the spokesperson, instead of letting that arrogant blowhard (Snyder, in case you don’t know to whom I’m referring) champion the name…

  133. @Canned Heat

    Not that I disagree with the basic tenet of your argument, but a 2009 DNR study found that while most Golden Eagles are found out West, there is a population of about 100 or so that Winter in Western Wisconsin. But, Bald Eagle would have been a better mascot as thousands of those live in WI.

  134. I consider myself a very politically minded person, and way further left than anything on the spectrum, but I for one tired of all the PC sensitivity. I want to know why ALL OF A SUDDEN this has become a big issue. They have been a team for years. As for groups protesting the name, I can sympathize. But there are also Native American groups who have stated they have no problem with it as well. I know term was once used as a derogatory slur, I simply feel that it just doesn’t apply anymore and it’s simply the name of a team. It’s not as if someone is screaming it out at a Native American purposely using it to offend them.

  135. FinFan68 says:
    Sep 12, 2013 4:32 PM
    However, the term redskin is derogatory. It is used to insult people of a certain background.
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    Where? When? Give us examples. I encourage you to research that. Good luck finding any though. ALL the research on the term’s etymology shows no derogatory aspect or usage at all. All you can find is a bunch of people within the last 10 years or so who claim it is racist. They offer no validation other than it sounds like it ought to be so it therefor is racist.

    ____________________________

    Pick up a history book:

    The origin of the term “Redskins” is commonly attributed to the historical practice of trading Native American Indian scalps and body parts as bounties and trophies. For example, in 1749, the British bounty on the Mi’kmaq Nation of what is now Maine and Nova Scotia, was a straightforward “ten Guineas for every Indian Micmac taken or killed, to be paid upon producing such Savage taken or his scalp.”

    Just as devastating was the Phips Proclamation, issued in 1755 by Spencer Phips, Lieutenant Governor and Commander in Chief of the Massachusetts Bay Province, who called for the wholesale extermination of the Penobscot Indian Nation.

    By vote of the General Court of the Province, settlers were paid out of the public treasury for killing and scalping the Penobscot people. The bounty for a male Penobscot Indian above the age of 12 was 50 pounds, and his scalp was worth 40 pounds. The bounty for a female Penobscot Indian of any age and for males under the age of 12 was 25 pounds, while their scalps were worth 20 pounds. These scalps were called “redskins.”

  136. Sad…sad…sad. The only way this name changes is if Snyder take a hit to the wallet and he knows that as long as the team is winning people aren’t going to boycott them. 5% of the population can boycott this team. But, that’s chump change. Until non-Native-Americans wakeup and realize that they’re continuing to act like the ancestors who spit on the Native American people and took their land, this isn’t going to change.

  137. Remember during the Boston Tea Party when they dressed up like Indians before boarding the ships and dumping the tea? I wonder how many white liberals are going to be dressing up like Indians in this event. Luckily for them Halloween is right around the corner so they’ll be able to reuse their outfits.

  138. Since the Native Americans no longer want to be remembered as a “Valiant Enemy” is it OK to change the name to the Washington Green Backs? They are robbing our retirees of their Social Security money with their casinos. Tell you what, when they give up robbing our seniors I’ll join their side in protesting the name Redskins.

  139. It’s sad that people have nothing better to do than get offended over a friggin word. It’s pathetic & ridiculous that this is even an issue. People that are this sensitive, need to be offended.

  140. Maybe if the Indians (for the most part) didn’t side with the British during the Revolutionary war they’d be better off today. Maybe if they didn’t side British during the war of 1812 they’d be better off today. Maybe if they just fought harder and smarter they’d be better off today. Of course in places where Indians fared better (central and south America), I wouldn’t say they’d did particularly well.

  141. I sell supplies to the NJ American Indian Center. They think this Redskins thing is ridiculous. In fact, the Redskins are their favorite team. They also told me all this is due to a very small group of radicals that number in the “dozens”. If you remember, they tried to stir this up many years ago, but fizzled out.

    In the words of their administrator: “These people need to get a life”. In fact, he also said the Warrior Logo is an “HONOR” and commands respect among fellow American Indians.

  142. The comparison to the Chiefs really doesn’t work.. a Chief isn’t a derogatory term.. it means leader.. Redskin, however, is a derogatory term.. it’s the reason why Stanford is now the Cardinals and not the Indians.. no one is crying about that. The change WILL happen eventually. Maybe not now, maybe not next year.. but with high-ranking members of the media already coming out and saying they will not use the term .. it’s going to happen sooner or later.

  143. Many of the comments posted on this site are those of ignorant people. One comment stated that they did not know Wisconsin was so racially diverse. I am sure that many of you still believe the Mohicans are extinct and that Daniel Day Lewis was the last of them. In fact, after the forced removal of the Mohican people in the 1700’s and 1800’s the Mohican people came to settle about an hour’s west of Green Bay. The Oneida were native to the New York area and were forces west to Wisconsin as well were they proceeded the Mohicans granted them land after many years of difficult travel and outright murders. The Oneida people are good people and have diverse businesses and use some of those resources in a sponsorship of an entrance into Lambeau Field. The very fact that many on this site support the racial views of Daniel Snyder are sad and these people are truly living in the past. Mission school sexual abuse, beatings for speaking native languages, banishment to dungeons were common place experiences during the assimilation process into the 1940’s. I applaud those with an open mind and pity those without one.

  144. Not all Native people sidled with the British. Daniel Ninham led a group of Mohican soldiers on behalf of the Mohican people. Please research the Battle of Van Cordlandt Woods in the New York area.

  145. It’s hard enough to win in the NFL without the distractions.

    This whole thing seems silly.

    Just change the name, be done with it, and get the focus back to winning.

  146. The only reason the Native Americans are offended by the name Redskins is because they can’t profit from it.

    Sorry but the league fears a court case which could result in a PR disaster as well as a financial drain. As for the Natives Americans wanting to make make a financial killing over this consider that a federal court case which was won by the Natives in the 1970’s court case over lands stolen by the US (treaty violations) has yet to be settled. The amount currently offered is 210 million but the Natives have refused settlement because they want the treaty enforced. To them it is a question of truth and honor if you can understand that.

  147. The only thing that rivals the stunning ignorance in this thread is how PROUD people seem to be to be so ignorant.

    Forget worrying about the future…Idiocracy is here today.

  148. The Bills once were going to be called the Buffalo Nickels. It is part of NFL history so please look it up. By the way, the 1925 Pottsville Maroons have an interesting history, too. Unrelated I admit, but if you are going to be a fan of the NFL I think it is relevant to learn the history. Also, who is the top college cornerback award named after? Jim Thorpe if you are wondering who is Native.

  149. @blackandbluedivision,
    I am in no way denying the Phips proclamation issued by King George II and other similar events happened. What I am saying is that there is no historical tie between the term redskin and any racist or derogatory usage. The etymology research shows it doesn’t. The term redskins does not even appear in the examples you cited. It is pure speculation and at best is no more than supposition.

    Please read Ives Goddard’s “I am a red-skin” for a credible opposing viewpoint as to the origin and history of the word “redskin”. BTW, Ives Goddard is/was curator emeritus in the Department of Anthropology of the National Museum of Natural History at the Smithsonian Institution. He is widely considered the leading expert on the Algonquian languages and the larger Algic language family.

    The definition of words change all the time but just because a few people took issue with a word and convinced others that it should be seen as derogatory does not make it so. What I mean is that a few people are overly sensitive and applied their own false meaning to a word and then became offended at what they incorrectly believed it meant. In essence, they are offended by their own ideas, not what the word actually represents or means.

  150. “The warrior image is the image we want to be portrayed,” Ole Halvorsen, a Vikings fan told Jones. “We’ve not forgotten the past, the time of Anglo-Saxon encroachment and how France was won, and that’s where all the images are taken from — when we were a valiant conqueror.”

  151. If you can find one..call a Native American “Redskin” to his face. If he takes it as a compliment as how his people are true warriors, you’re good to go.

  152. Cleveland Indians? Atlanta Braves? FSU Seminoles?

    If the Redskins name goes so should all other Indian names for sports teams. Then the people who need a cause to feel properly PC can turn their attention to animal rights and go after Lions, Tigers, Orioles, Blue Jays, et al. Eventually we’ll just do away with team names entirely so that nobody is offended and instead teams will be known by numbers, e.g. the Boston Twenty Fours, the LA Thirty Sixes, the New York Six Hundred Twenties, etc.

  153. guachosporlife says:
    Sep 12, 2013 8:30 PM
    If you can find one..call a Native American “Redskin” to his face. If he takes it as a compliment as how his people are true warriors, you’re good to go.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    False logic. You can call someone a “book” using the right tone and inflection and they would be offended–not by the word but their perception of your intended meaning. Like I said earlier, the word is not used in that way and likely never was. When someone uses the word redskin, they are almost always referring to a football team or local high school

  154. for 99% of the posters, go back and read these posts and u will know who is in the majority here…..pretty Mich every post is for the redskins name. However I do think the face on the helmet is a little strange, I would go back to using the arrow. The Cleveland Indians have begun to phase out the wahoo on their hats. In closing, the majority has spoken and the name REDSKINS will stay. Goodell is just pandering to the all sharptons of the world by saying “if 1 person is offended..” No way he actually believes that stupidity. One person in the late 1970’s believed that a dog spoke to him and told him to kill people…..do we give him credibility?

  155. I found something unexpected in the January 1912 edition of The Red Man when I turned a page and saw an article titled “How the American Indian Named the White Man” by Alexander F. Chamberlain, Professor of Anthropology at Clark University. I was curious at first because I didn’t understand what was meant by the title. However, the first sentence made things very clear: “‘Paleface’ is not the only name by which the ‘white man’ is known to the ‘red.’” The author’s premise was quite reasonable. It makes perfect sense that Indians would coin names for us that described white people as they saw them. It also reminded me of the punchline in that Tonto and the Lone Ranger joke we told as kids: “What do you mean we, paleface?” But I digress. The author explained that different tribes coined different names and had different names for some of the European nationalities.

    Many of the names, as expected, had to do with skin color. Several tribes called us “white,” “white person,” “white skin,” etc. In addition to these the Algonkian Arapahos referred to us as “yellow-hided.” Whether it had to do with skin or hair color or courage is unknown. Kiowas used a term that meant “hairy mouth” and the Zunis referred to the early Spaniards as “mustached people.” “They of the hairy chest” was used by Algonkian Miamis.

    Ears also played a role. Kiowas used the same word for white men that they used for donkeys and mules. It meant “ears sticking out” because Indians’ ears were partially covered by their hair. Crows and Upsarokas called white men “yellow eyes.” Our voices were not altogether pleasing to the Kiowas as they also called white men “growlers.”

  156. the media needs to stay out of it. the name Washington Redskins could be looked at both ways. it depends on who is looking. My self I dont see anything wrong with the name. but then Im not Indian so I guess I dont fully understand.

  157. AT GREEN BAY? Seriously. An away game at a PC park? Good Lord. (sorry I know i can’t use that “Lord” anymore without freaks coming out).
    I honestly don’t think they mean anything evil by it. If you do you got issues. Most people can make a claim that a “nickname” is offensive. (The Hawaii Rainbows had to change their name. My gosh; it was a RAINBOW!!!!) I love the rivalries and the arguments back and forth but damn, you can’t be that whacked.
    Intelligent arguments welcome.

  158. Someone really should archive the PFT
    comments, and show them to school kids
    50 years from now, the way every high school
    textbook now has a picture of the “Colored only”
    drinking fountains of 1940…
    future generations will surely laugh at the extent to which many in 2013 will go to justify racially uncool stuff…

  159. The fact that this name has continued well into the the 21st century is clear evidence of the consistent race-based attitude that exists in the Good ‘Ol (boy) United States. The name should have went out decades ago. I’ve always liked Washington D.C.’s football team. I am also happy to see that the Original nation of people that are truly native to this land have not done as my own young Black African-American people are doing… They do not embrace a Name of Insult as a name of endearment. The name must go and the NFL would be making a honorable stand in forcing the hand of Synder.

  160. the protesters cant come on the field, all they gone do is make sure
    the Redskins beat greenbay. RGIII will be ready to play and Shanahan
    will want a win too

  161. sillec28

    As someone who wishes they were 28 again, I am offended by your use of that number. lol

    And while I agree with you, trust me, there is some idiot out there ready to bitch at the use of numbers.

    To all you over sensitive Morons…just because you are offended, doesnt make you right.

  162. guachosporlife says:
    Sep 12, 2013 8:30 PM
    If you can find one..call a Native American “Redskin” to his face. If he takes it as a compliment as how his people are true warriors, you’re good to go.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    So if I find a random Native American and call him “Chief” to his face, he’ll take that as a compliment?

  163. Why don’t they change their name to the Hogs. This name is already ingrained into the franchise from their glory years and the fans would love it. Hogettes would be everywhere on game day! Plus there is no other mascot like it in the NFL.

  164. If not the “Hogs”, maybe the “Pig Skins” would work. Or, since they play in Washington, the “Polititians” would be appropriate. Oops, I guess that would be too offensive to the players!

  165. ” Hogs ” would be offensive to the many Muslim football fans. King Goodell can’t offend anyone, right?

  166. A name is only a combination of letters, yes the name Redskins derived from a point of history that not many westerners/Indians are too particularly fond of… lets face it, horrible things happened… However if we want to move past that era as a society… we need to stop associating Redskins with that era, the name is not the issue, the issue is what we as a society think of when we hear that name. It’s a cultural mindset that it is bad, and it doesn’t have to be anything more then just a name.

  167. “Please stop this madness.”

    —————————-

    The madness stops the moment you realize your so-called eloquent and passionate statement kind of, sort of really missed the entire point.

    This team name has been a debate for my entire life, and that includes BEFORE the term PC was being used to piss on the notion that folks shouldn’t be treated as unequals.

  168. Wonder if they went down to protest warrior image during stanley cup BLACKHAWKS. I always thought Indians were tough. Bunch of panzie A$$

  169. Nothing in our Constitution guarantees anyone the right NOT to be offended.

    Oh, you’re offended? Then DON’T support or patronize the product. Period.

    Also, GROUPS don’t have rights. Only individuals have rights.

    This nonsense started with one or two pretentious elitists (like King Peter) giving in to their own sense of liberal white guilt, driven by their own vanity to and smug egotistical need to receive some special recognition for their “sensitivity” and ‘forward-thinking’.
    But really they are just looking to gain a little publicity by asserting this phony moral “outrage”, by taking an obnoxious, self-righteous stand on a complete NON-issue.

    And once they called attention to it, now they’ve set the stage, and every twobit opportunist, race-baiter, activist, and PC blowhard is coming out of the woodwork to climb on board and get their 15 minutes or shot at 50 acres and a mule or whatever.

    Every group throughout history has suffered in some way at the hands of some other group – that’s just history. It’s life. It’s humanity. Has a lot of it been ugly and unfair? Sure. Is it always “right” or “good”? No. But that’s the nature of the human condition. Do we stand to benefit in any way by CONSTANTLY allowing that past to define who we are now? Of course not. And we don’t need to completely ignore the past, either – but we need to move beyond it enough quit making victims of ourselves.

    Regardless of whatever happened in history it does not NOW give one group the un-checked power to dictate anything else to the other group, be that “sensitivity” norms or anything else.

    It’s almost as if these groups believe because they were controlled or oppressed (or worse) at some point in time, that they’ve now “earned” the right to control and oppress someone else, albeit less directly and dramatically.

    Still, all that does is perpetuate the cycle of resentment and stupidity. Quit forcing your crap on everyone else. Live and let live. You are and always will be an individual, before you are a member of any group. And not only is it only individuals that have rights, but only individuals can give respect, or get it. And you don’t do that by making yourself a victim and being a pain in the posterior to the rest of us.

  170. Goodell said that, if one person is offended by the Redskins name, the league must listen.

    Goodell said “listen”, doesn’t mean they are going to “do” anything about it.

  171. Must we continue to use the “R”-word in this discussion ? Don’t blame Mr. Snyder,blame the knuckle dragging fan base.

  172. negaduck says: Sep 12, 2013 6:11 PM

    also I can’t figure out what a Charger is or what a Bill is.
    _____________
    This is a pretty serious discussion, so why don’t we lighten the mood a little bit, and talk about what totally tucking bizarre names these two are. “Buffalo Bill” Cody was a cowboy and rodeo showman who ran a wild west themed rodeo and circus in the late 1800s. The city is named Buffalo. And so the mascot is a rodeo manager named Bill? Nope, it’s a buffalo.

    To their credit, a buffalo is a great team mascot, and they can’t really call themselves the “Buffalo Buffalo”, but I can’t help feeling like a logical step is missing here.

    And as for the Chargers– Ok “charging” down their opponents, sure, but why not go for a ram or a buffalo/bison/bill/whatever? OK, so they’re the Chargers… and their mascot is a ferocious knight charging down his opponent? Nope, it’s electricity… They’re electrical chargers.

    I can’t think of anything less intimidating–
    Bears eat you; Bengals eat you, as do Jaguars, Panthers, and Lions; Eagles and Falcons tear your eyes out; Giants and Titans stomp on you, while Rams and Bills(?) will also run over you beforehand. Vikings, Raiders, and Buccaneers kill you and take your girlfriends. Hell, even the “Redskins” will kill you defending their homeland– as will Patriots, who, along with the Cowboys and 49ers all have guns– and Jets have missiles.

    OK, so Dolphins, you got me there– but wait, you could piss off a dolphin and he might attack. But what if you’re tired and running out of juice? Thank god for the Chargers, who will come running over to recharge your team and get it running just like new. They’re not just nonthreatening, they’re downright helpful. If you want electricity, how about Lightning, or Thunder, or just Bolts? Hang on… I need to plug my computer back in, thanks San Diego!

    OK, feel free to get back to discussions of things that “matter”

  173. I am offended by the name “Packers”, whatever consenting adults do in the privacy of their home is OK, but to name a football team after their fans’ favorite activity?

  174. The efforts take on extra significance because, as best we can recall, it’s the first organized attempt at an NFL game to speak out against the Redskins name.
    ——————-
    Totally inaccurate – there were protests at RFK and at Chiefs games in the 80’s.

  175. “Yes, it’s racist. It’d be like having a team named the Blackskins, with a rapper as the logo.”

    The ironic thing is that most black players would want to play on a team like that.

  176. How about the NAACP “Colored People” are you kidding me??? How racist is that, but you don’t see anyone asking them to change their name do you? Redskins fans: don’t worry Dan will never change the name as that decision lies solely with him and no court or any amount of pressure can force him to. All these people can whine all they want to and it won’t make any difference. Turn off your TV set if the name offends you and simply don’t watch or go to the game. #turnoffyourtvifyouareoffended

  177. donmega72 says: Sep 12, 2013 5:14 PM

    The only reason the Native Americans are offended by the name Redskins is because they can’t profit from it.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    My man, you hit it EXACTLY on the head! Put them (the top people in charge only, only the leaders get paid: the rest of the people get nothing) on the Redskins payroll and any “outrage” is over, guaranteed. It’s all about $$$ believe me, nothing more than a money grab.

  178. I bet you a million dollars if Dan S got all of the “offended” persons together and struck a deal for a nice cut of Redskins merchandising profits all of this so called “outrage” would vanish instantly ala The Florida Seminoles:
    #fakeoutrageasanangletogetmerchandisingprofits

  179. Here is where the witch hunt is evident. ‘… not the image we want portrayed.’ If this is the argument then Braves, Chiefs, Indians, Seminoles, etc. need to be targeted. Why no PFT witch hunt on them?

    Also if groups being depicted as fierce warriors is the outcry then Vikings (Nordic warriors), the Fighting Irish, etc. need to be targeted too.

    I hate when people on here think they are clever by talking about Giants being offensive to little people or Packers being offensive to gays. But this article for the first time states that the argument is that a group of people being identified as fierce warriors is offensive.

    Half the teams should be boycotted then. Would love to see PFT go after everyone equally based on this.

  180. Snyder should have “dreamcatcher giveaway day” and just go full Vince Mcmahon. This is ridiculous. Who decides after 81 years that something is now offensive enough to change?

  181. Has anyone else noticed all these protesters are white middle-aged men/women with ponytails and claim they are something like 1/64 Native American of some fierce tribe like the Sioux or Apache? Pathetic!

  182. And the nickname of a Navajo Reservation high school in Arizona is …..

    The Red Mesa Redskins

    The school is 99.3 percent Native American and they are proud of the name.

  183. A majority of the Native Americans take a sense of pride in the name not to mention 3 of the 62 highschool football teams with redskins have a majority of native american students. However for the bleeding liberals who get hurt so easily by idiotic conspiracy theories lets just rename the Washington Redskins the Washington Skinheads….oh sorry that isnt kosher either ok then how about …………………the Washington Redskin Potatoes. Whaaammmyyy!

  184. This thing is going to get bigger and bigger. It’s interesting that when Goodell trivialized the thought, it gained momentum. It’s not a liberals thing…whenever I hear someone label a movement without the facts, they look pathetic…hiding behind a user name. This will get interesting, especially with Corporate America looking on, like it or not the NFL is a business….a corporate business. I’d like to see Goodell’s seat get hotter on this one.

  185. Either way it goes, it’s racist. I mean, the team’s name is a description of another race’s skin color. Nothing can be more racist.

    However, I think that if you take away the “skins” part, you can be OK. I mean, the Chiefs or the Braves isn’t as racially offensive as the Redskins. But remember, there were teams in college and high schools name Savages. They had to change their name.

    But conversely, you can name your team after a group of people, as long as it’s not derogatory. For instance, you have the Boston Celtics and the New York Knicks. (Celtics are Irish, Knickerbockers are Dutch.) But it isn’t derogatory. Now if Boston calls themselves the “Boston Micks”, or New York have a team called the “New York Peckerwoods”, then that would be something to target.

    But lastly, I do need to say something about ethnic slurs and their offenses: You would have to be in the minority in order to really feel the brunt of the offense. If it was just due to ethnic slurs, the Yankees would have been changed a long time ago.

  186. I think we can all agree that it’s only a matter of time before the name Redskins will be forcibly changed by the nanny-state.

    It may be years or decades. It will almost certainly go to the Supreme Court unless the Redskins stop fighting the issue and just change it willingly.

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