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Officials should have thrown flag for hit on Floyd

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Chargers receiver Malcom Floyd exited Sunday’s win over the Eagles with a potentially serious injury.  It happened on a play during which the officials should have thrown a flag.

Per a league source, Floyd was still in a defenseless posture when he was hit in the head by Eagles linebacker DeMeco Ryans.  An easy rule of thumb in this regard is that, if the pass the player drops after the contact is deemed to be incomplete, it means the player didn’t have the ball long enough to finish the catch.  Which means that he didn’t have the time to protect himself against a blow to the head or neck.

Even though Floyd dipped his head into the contact, it’s strict liability.  If a player in a defenseless posture is struck in the head, a flag should be thrown.

Floyd’s role in putting himself in harm’s way could help Ryans avoid a fine.  But the failure to throw the flag won’t keep the officials involved from having their performance for the day downgraded.

Peter King reported during Football Night in America that Floyd was cleared to fly back to San Diego with the Chargers.  His status otherwise is unknown.

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48 Responses to “Officials should have thrown flag for hit on Floyd”
  1. datmilehighswagistoodamnhigh says: Sep 15, 2013 8:19 PM

    No they shouldn’t have. People gets injured, that’s football. The officials are getting ridiculous, just let them play. They are football players not ballerinas!

  2. thestrategyexpert says: Sep 15, 2013 8:20 PM

    I think the rulebook should be edited to say that anything that is against the rules is “probably” going to be enforced, rather than stating things as if they were a matter of fact. Wake me up when this game has a logical set of rules, or a consistent application of rules. I’d be curious to know what a football game with no officiating or rules issues looks like. I’ve never seen one in the NFL.

  3. christos99 says: Sep 15, 2013 8:20 PM

    Just as a reminder:

    Logicalvoicesays,

    Season Record for the Redskins : 14-2
    RGIII : 43 TDs Passing – 7 INTs – 8 Rushing TDs
    Morris : 1756 yds, 10 TDs
    Garcon : 105 receptions, 15 TDs, 1345 yds recieving
    Kerrigan : 16 sacks, 7 FFs, 2 INTs
    RGIII NFL MVP.
    Redskins 4th Superbowl.

    Fail…

  4. nitro276 says: Sep 15, 2013 8:21 PM

    Absolutely DISAGREE! That was a bang-bang play. Floyd was not a defenseless receiver. In fact, that was a catch and fumble. It should have been Eagles ball.

  5. annodomini90 says: Sep 15, 2013 8:21 PM

    Ryans didn’t even do anything he just stood there and Floyd ran into him.

    Hardly Ryans’ fault for Floyd’s decision to duck the head.

  6. Chin35char says: Sep 15, 2013 8:23 PM

    No, they shouldn’t have.

  7. eaglesfan036 says: Sep 15, 2013 8:23 PM

    With how low Floyd’s head was during the hit, it was impossible to hit him from that side without hitting him in the head. While I hope Floyd will be okay, I think it was just a football play.

  8. tralfaz1127 says: Sep 15, 2013 8:23 PM

    I’m sorry this may sound heartless, but the chance of life changing injuries comes with the decision to be an NFL player. Hits to the head suck, but the defenseless receiver, and the fact that all of them immediately go into the fetal position in air to avoid the hit, make it impossible for a defensive player to do their job. I hope Malcom is ok, but the NFL is slowly working their way to flag football.

  9. orivar says: Sep 15, 2013 8:23 PM

    More calling for the flag.
    More eventual softening of the game.

  10. motobus says: Sep 15, 2013 8:24 PM

    That play should have been a fumble. He took two steps and stuck his head down to ‘truck’ Ryans.

  11. crubenst says: Sep 15, 2013 8:24 PM

    If a player ducks his head (which floyd did) then he is no longer defenseless. If a player ducks his head and can’t be hit in the head then there might not even be a target to hit!

  12. gettingpwned says: Sep 15, 2013 8:24 PM

    may as well eliminate any pass over the middle or a crossing route at this rate.

  13. greggyd717 says: Sep 15, 2013 8:27 PM

    I agree with what Rodney Harrison said on FNIA tonight. If the league wants defenders to just pull up and not hit a guy because he is defenseless/puts his head down, then they just need to automatically rule the guy down at the spot of the catch. They almost expect a guy to step out of the way of an offensive player to avoid hitting him, but then allow the guy to keep running? This is getting outrageous.

    Essentially, an offensive player could lower his head every time he catches the ball near someone, the defender would be required to avoid touching him, and then the guy could keep running.

  14. pokerthief76 says: Sep 15, 2013 8:34 PM

    He was defenseless over aggression….needs to be fined at least 10,000

  15. gmenfan1982 says: Sep 15, 2013 8:35 PM

    THE CORRECT NO CALL WAS MADE ON THE FIELD. The use of the term “defenseless player” is pathetic. If a players receiving the ball in a game tackle football the objective is to hit said player. Defenseless or not the job of a defender is to tackle the offensive player or separate h from the ball. In my eyes, the thing the league needs to get rid of are the dangerous forearm shiver tackles where a defender throws an elbow high on an offensive player when he is about to catch a ball. If the league put an emphasis on removing pathetic, wimpy forms if tackling in favor of putting emphasis on real actual form tackling I guarantee less players get injured from these hits. But the idea of a “defenseless player” is pathetic in my opinion. I have no qualms with player safety but legislating normal football plays out of the game will never result in their desired result of less injuries. You can’t penalize normal football actions out of the game. Players being fined or penalized for perfectly normal football plays will NEVER change a players behavior. The league has to stop punishing players for solid football plays.

  16. badgervmd says: Sep 15, 2013 8:37 PM

    We can all argue whether or not a flag should have been thrown but at the end of the day what difference would it have made? The hit still happened and the chance of a paralyzing injury came and went. The hit happened with the known deterrent of a 15 yd penalty. This is where this whole after the fact judging is stupid- every player at this point knows what they can’t do but hits like this happen because the offensive player moves to try to brace for a hit. It wasn’t a dirty hit by the Eagles’ defender and a retroactive penalty shouldn’t be enforced. The idea of almost paralyzing somebody is probably enough of a penalty.

  17. sdcameron says: Sep 15, 2013 8:40 PM

    I thought it was a good no call and I am a Chargers fan.

  18. datmilehighswagistoodamnhigh says: Sep 15, 2013 8:43 PM

    Rahim Moore put a perfectly legal hit on Hakeem Nicks on 3rd down and still got flagged. The Giants went on to score on that drive when it should have been Denver’s ball. Luckily it didn’t effect the game but it could have. There were so many penalties today on plays that shouldn’t have been called and none on some that should have. These refs need to be full time and take classes in the offseason because this is getting stupid. It’s like the refs just want face time. Theyre awfully inconsistent on PI too

  19. eamadden00 says: Sep 15, 2013 8:48 PM

    LOL @ EAGLES… :)

  20. philly4lyfe says: Sep 15, 2013 8:49 PM

    except for the fact that he hit him in the shoulder, not the head. I did love the no-call on the shove vick took after he was well out of bounds. Especially considering the league fined two players for it last week, so you know its something the league is taking seriously. but apparently its only a penalty if he’s not named vick.

  21. newagerocker says: Sep 15, 2013 8:53 PM

    I was there, it was a good clean hit. It’s about the only thing the refs didn’t call against the Eagles all day. Floyd is a great player and he was gashing the Eagles all day. The entire stadium was on their feet applauding as he was carted off. It’s a tough deal but it was a legitimate play.

  22. seabreezes51 says: Sep 15, 2013 8:58 PM

    Floyd was the aggressor. I’m glad he will be OK, but he ducked his head.

  23. hbegley6672 says: Sep 15, 2013 9:04 PM

    So… Just so I have this straight.. The receiver could bobble and/or juggle the ball for yards, and you can’t touch him… Got it.. Great work right there… Ridiculous

  24. mrsmell says: Sep 15, 2013 9:05 PM

    The Chinese called the NFL and said they can start making batches of flag belts on a dimes’ notice. They can make them so they dont fall off for your favorite players for .02 cents more.

    On a serious note, Floyd was not defenseless, good hit, bad result.

  25. weshaines says: Sep 15, 2013 9:06 PM

    This is ridiculous. Ryans didn’t launch and there was no malicious intent. You’re gonna get hurt playing this game as anyone who has played at any level knows.

  26. upperdecker19 says: Sep 15, 2013 9:12 PM

    A 15 yard penalty would have been a slight deterrent. As it was less yards than the Eagle defense was giving up per play.

  27. brassknuckles47 says: Sep 15, 2013 9:30 PM

    Eagles fans are stupid!

  28. samquix says: Sep 15, 2013 9:33 PM

    Good no call. That said Malcolm is a fantastic addition to SD’s offense. He’s good for 800/6 every season. SD needs him and most of the reports coming out of SDUT are positive. Get well M80!!

  29. gabe77 says: Sep 15, 2013 9:34 PM

    This is the ridiculousness of these rules trying to legislate hitting out of the game. Too much responsibility to interpret the rules and the actions happening on the field results in mistakes. Floyd dipped his head into the hit. Risk of the job of catching passes over the middle. Either make the rule cut and dried or back off it. Besides, it should have been a fumble, not a flag.

  30. jmays77 says: Sep 15, 2013 9:44 PM

    Disagree. It was a shoulder hit to the head on a bang-bang play. Ryans was turning his body prior to impact. Plus Floyd was already being brought down before Ryans got there.

  31. melikefootball says: Sep 15, 2013 9:48 PM

    Not a fan of either team but just another instance where the officials have to make a call one way or other on a rule that is for safety yet is a big part of the game that can’t be enforced consistently enough by each crew. Still believe all of the rules is taking away from the game not because they are not intended in good faith but because it really is targeted to one side of the ball .Yet nothing is given to the defense to make up for a play to dislodge the ball of an offensive player as this has in the past. A receiver and runner can stiff arm to the face ,so start calling this so the defense can at least get something out rules.

  32. askcoachjay says: Sep 15, 2013 9:56 PM

    I think the issue here is whether or not the hit needed to be made. Floyd is in a defenseless posture. He has yet to complete the catch. He is in the grasp of another defender. He’s no longer making forward progress, and is in the process of going down. The smart play is to get ahold of his shoulder pads and make sure he gets down. Applying a hit to his head is the very definition of unnecessary roughness, and is explicitly prohibited in the rules. Why people get in such an uproar about this nonsense is beyond me. The game has to evolve or it will cease to be. You can’t go high (Ryans was standing almost straight up) and put a kill shot on a guy coming down with the ball anymore. Guys are too big, and too fast. I would’ve preferred to see the flag and Ryans ejected for dangerous play. But we haven’t evolved that far just yet.

  33. gmenfan1982 says: Sep 15, 2013 10:07 PM

    “Sep 15, 2013, 9:56 PM EDT
    I think the issue here is whether or not the hit needed to be made. Floyd is in a defenseless posture. He has yet to complete the catch. He is in the grasp of another defender. He’s no longer making forward progress, and is in the process of going down. The smart play is to get ahold of his shoulder pads and make sure he gets down. Applying a hit to his head is the very definition of unnecessary roughness, and is explicitly prohibited in the rules. Why people get in such an uproar about this nonsense is beyond me. The game has to evolve or it will cease to be. You can’t go high (Ryans was standing almost straight up) and put a kill shot on a guy coming down with the ball anymore. Guys are too big, and too fast. I would’ve preferred to see the flag and Ryans ejected for dangerous play. But we haven’t evolved that far just yet.”

    Having not completed the catch is the exact reason a defender hits the man trying to catch the ball. To make sure that catch doesn’t happen. The league is trying to legislate injuries out of the game as much as possible by penalizing certain hits but the problem is you can’t legislate clean football plays because the player did nothing wrong to begin with. You can’t football out of football. I say this as a former offensive player in my days playing football and I never liked getting hit. There is nothing wrong with hits like this one and its frustrating to continue watching solid football plays be penalized. Luckily this one was not penalized.

  34. rdrdrs58 says: Sep 15, 2013 10:12 PM

    Floyd was already being talked from behind on that play … he was not defenseless, unless now your advocating that only one defensive player can tackle an offensive player at a time….

  35. kcflake says: Sep 15, 2013 10:25 PM

    I saw the Hit on Floyd, Ryans went right into the top of Floyd’s head. It was pretty dirty. Should have been flagged and should be fined.

  36. askcoachjay says: Sep 15, 2013 10:29 PM

    My point being, if the rules are accurately enforced, Ryans should be faced with a choice, accept the catch, or accept a 15 yard penalty… Or I suppose he could try to reach in and pry the ball loose. But, if not, you needed to get there earlier, or you lose the chance to make the play. Floyd’s body position left him no angle for a legal hit. Unless he wanted to go very low, probably endangering himself, his only option is to avoid illegal contact, and attempt to make a play on the ball. Are you really arguing that having that kid on a stretcher makes for a better game than having a defensive player pull off of a hit because he was too late to make a play on the ball? As someone who takes very seriously the responsibility for the safety of the kids I coach and coach against, I’m telling you that you back-in-my-day Neanderthals are going to kill this game from the root if you don’t back off of this “injuries are part of the game, you know the risk” nonsense. It’s a game played by human beings. It’s not some gladiator spectacle or a goddamn video game. Things change. Get over it.

  37. bleedgreen says: Sep 15, 2013 10:58 PM

    How come Vick being picked up and slammed 2 plays before the 2 minute warning wasn’t flagged? He had to come out of the game for a play and Foles threw a pass that Jackson caught out of bounds. Seriously…. why wasn’t that flagged? Vick threw the ball, then a defender picked him upm threw him down and landed square on his chest. He was also shoved while running OOB, and that also wasn’t called. QBs wear tutus now… unless you’re Michael Vick, then the rules don’t apply anymore.

  38. bleedgreen says: Sep 15, 2013 11:01 PM

    askcoachjay says:
    Sep 15, 2013 9:56 PM
    I think the issue here is whether or not the hit needed to be made. Floyd is in a defenseless posture. He has yet to complete the catch. He is in the grasp of another defender. He’s no longer making forward progress, and is in the process of going down. The smart play is to get ahold of his shoulder pads and make sure he gets down. Applying a hit to his head is the very definition of unnecessary roughness, and is explicitly prohibited in the rules. Why people get in such an uproar about this nonsense is beyond me. The game has to evolve or it will cease to be. You can’t go high (Ryans was standing almost straight up) and put a kill shot on a guy coming down with the ball anymore. Guys are too big, and too fast. I would’ve preferred to see the flag and Ryans ejected for dangerous play. But we haven’t evolved that far just yet.
    ———————————-

    The problem with your suggestion is that Floyd lowered his head so it was on the same plane as his shoulders. He moved the ‘high’ part of ‘hitting him high’ and moved it to the middle. And you can’t hit low anymore either, so what was he supposed to do? He DID have possession. He WAS FIGHTING FOR MORE YARDS. The defenders job is to try and separate the receiver from the ball, or make sure the receiver is down by CONTACT. Its Ryans’ job to hit a guy thats fighting to not go down.

  39. gmenfan1982 says: Sep 15, 2013 11:15 PM

    It was NOT a hit to Floyd’s head. I saw the play live and replay plenty of times. I absolutely HATE the eagles as a giants fan but I stand firm on my position that this was a clean football play. What’s Ryans supposed to do? Just stop playing? Reducing injuries by taking out legitimate, intended head shots is one thing. Trying to legislate out standard football plays will never change a thing.

  40. gmenfan1982 says: Sep 15, 2013 11:17 PM

    I suppose you just have to let players catch the ball and wait a few seconds before attempting a tackle. That sounds like a great game.

  41. thesuddentruth says: Sep 16, 2013 3:10 AM

    Ryans timed it perfect, he knows what he did. He saw it coming 3 steps away and stepped in for the coup d grace. What a dirty rotten scum bag. Get well M80.

    As for Vick, the refs probably all have dogs at home, that their kids love. That explains the no calls on penalties against him.

  42. therealtrenches says: Sep 16, 2013 7:21 AM

    This interpretation of that play is a classic case of crawling up the rulebook’s ass and forgetting what actually happened on the field.

    It was a completed pass, followed by a football move, a shoulder hit by Ryans (which even Eagle-hater Dierdorf insisted was clean), and then a fumble.

    The refs missed it. That doesn’t mean their mistake needs to become the rule of law and Ryans needs to be fined.

  43. eagles83 says: Sep 16, 2013 7:27 AM

    Uh, no. Ryan’s didn’t lead with his head, he hit him with his shoulder. It’s not his fault Floyd lowered his head into him. You start flagging those plays and you might as well just put flags around their waist, or better yet, make it two hand touch so we can have instant replays of whether or not the defender got all 10 fingers on his opponent.

  44. jvn36 says: Sep 16, 2013 10:09 AM

    Looked like a bang bang play. Definitely not intentional. But I can’t imagine the same response from eagles fans had this been desean jackson instead of Floyd.

  45. varnbo says: Sep 16, 2013 10:12 AM

    Non issue. Watch the play. Floyd lowered his head.
    Why don’t you cover tennis?

  46. bizzyb559 says: Sep 16, 2013 10:19 AM

    According to the mediots we should watch flag football. Sorry but the play was clean. Players hit, tackle, block, run and collide. Injuries happen, Its football. Let em play and go away before you ruin the sport.

  47. drshakedown74 says: Sep 16, 2013 11:17 AM

    Completely disagree. If you watch it again, I think it is a catch and fumble.

  48. ChandlerMc says: Sep 16, 2013 4:34 PM

    So because the receiver had the ball knocked loose it means he was defenseless? That’s a ridiculous statement. Floyd caught the ball, took two steps, dipped his head then got crunched by DeMeco Ryans. Should’ve been a fumble which the Eagles recovered. The officials’ performance should be downgraded for blowing the play dead, not for failing to throw a flag on the play. They should have let the play continue then have the ability to review it.

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