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Self-inflicted wounds drop Buccaneers to 0-2

Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Jenkins, Keenan Lewis AP

The Buccaneers had a miserable opener, a miserable week filled with reports of tension in the ranks and they had plenty of misery in the early part of their Week Two game against the Saints, but it looked like it would all be prelude to a hard-fought victory.

Mason Foster returned an interception 85 yards for a touchdown in the fourth quarter to give the Bucs a 14-13 lead, a fitting way to move in front given how well the Bucs defense had played all day. Drew Brees was hurried and harried into another pick and the Bucs sacked him four times and it looked like they would put all the problems from the day — two turnovers, 10 penalties and multiple timeouts called because the team couldn’t substitute without the chaos of a K-Mart on Black Friday — when Doug Martin and Vincent Jackson ate clock with first downs down the stretch.

Alas, it wasn’t to be. Rian Lindell missed a 47-yard field goal with 66 seconds left to play, Brees awoke from his slumber to complete three passes in a row to gain 54 yards and Garrett Hartley hit a 27-yard field goal as time expried to give the Saints a 16-14 win.

The Saints can’t feel good about their offensive performance, but they should feel good about being 2-0 (and 2-0 in the division) on the back of another strong game from their rebuilt defense. Martin ran well, but Josh Freeman was 9-of-22 for 125 yards on the day while turning the ball over twice in the second half. It’s not a perfect group by any means,  but giving up seven points a week after holding the Falcons to 17 is notable.

As is the complete lack of discipline shown by the Buccaneers. Whatever the Saints defense did, the Bucs should have won this game and they didn’t because they continually sabotaged themselves with mistakes that show a glaring lack of focus from the head coach all the way down to the last man on the roster.

Their penalties were stupid in the first half and didn’t get any smarter in the second half when an illegal formation penalty wiped out a 73-yard Jackson touchdown. Two members of the team even got unsportsmanlike conduct penalties celebrating Foster’s touchdown, which shows that the Bucs have yet to miss an opportunity to hurt themselves this season. If Greg Schiano can’t get his players in line, the ugliness of the first two weeks could presage a lost season in Tampa.

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67 Responses to “Self-inflicted wounds drop Buccaneers to 0-2”
  1. wearethesteelers says: Sep 15, 2013 8:52 PM

    If there wasn’t a mutiny before, this should push them over the edge.

  2. bucthat says: Sep 15, 2013 8:53 PM

    That lost makes me sick… 2 weeks in a row a last second field goal beats us. Too many personal fouls that cost us. could be a long season

  3. musicman495 says: Sep 15, 2013 8:56 PM

    I said it two weeks ago – this team is a grease fire, and Schiano will be held accountable by being fired at the end of the year.

  4. pettytom says: Sep 15, 2013 8:56 PM

    That game was sloppy on both sides. But hey a W is a W and I’ll take it. See you again last week of the season.

  5. crazyanime2k says: Sep 15, 2013 8:57 PM

    Champions find a way to win and others find a way to lose. Two weeks in a row and I know what we are..sadly.

  6. purplegreenandgold says: Sep 15, 2013 8:57 PM

    way to hang in there Saints…tough game…hard fought. That’s what I want to see…

  7. ryanw822 says: Sep 15, 2013 8:57 PM

    You failed to mention the biggest self-inflicted wound and that was hiring Schiano as HC.

    Two weeks in a row he played to not lose and lost. He did it numerous times last year as well and still hasnt learned.

    The Bucs have a coach who is 3 decades behind. There is no way the players dont turn on him and I dont blame them.

  8. Mygoldtooth says: Sep 15, 2013 8:57 PM

    Never a doubt. Better team wins again.

    And for all of you who thought Schiano was a great hire, I say HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    Stupid is as stupid does.

  9. mrlaloosh says: Sep 15, 2013 8:58 PM

    Worst coach in the NFL, bar none.

  10. bucrightoff says: Sep 15, 2013 8:59 PM

    24/53 (45%), 335 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, O TD drives over 43 yards.

    Now if you look that line, you think “Tebow”. Except its Josh Freeman’s season totals. The defense played as well as I’ve seen a Buc defense since 2002. They look legit and like they will keep us in a lot of games. Enough games for Josh Freeman to do nothing at all.

    He’s finished as the QB here, he’s a backup at best and the sooner the Bucs move on to Glennon the better it will be.

  11. onebucplace says: Sep 15, 2013 8:59 PM

    Schiano is an idiot, he wasn’t a winner in college again DI teams so I don’t understand why he’s supposed to be a winner in the NFL. At the end of the game after Freeman had moved the team down the field Schiano did the same thing he did against the Jets, the same thing he did against the Redskins last year, the same thing any loser coach does, he ran it even though NO had 11 on the line of scrimmage and he played for the (LONG) FG with our 3rd kicker of the year. He’s an idiot, an absolute moron.

    As for Freeman he had at least 4 drops, 2 PIs not called against the Saints and a very long TD called back by the hack union refs because they claimed Jackson wasn’t on the line of scrimmage even though the replay shows he was. Take your QB controversy and shove it PFT.

  12. smokingconch says: Sep 15, 2013 8:59 PM

    Looked like the Bucs were playing not to lose rather than playing to win. Ask the broncos how many points you need to win. I bet the answer will always be more.

  13. pfic15 says: Sep 15, 2013 8:59 PM

    As a Saints fan for the last 20 years, I could’ve sworn Jim Haslett was coaching the Bucs.

  14. tpa43 says: Sep 15, 2013 9:00 PM

    What happened to toes on the line? Can we get a real coach yet?

  15. realfootballfan says: Sep 15, 2013 9:00 PM

    We didn’t see that playcalling in the final 3 minutes leading to a last second loss like this.

    Signed,
    Bill Musgrave and Mike Shula

  16. wearethesteelers says: Sep 15, 2013 9:00 PM

    Shame seeing all that defensive talent go to waste.

  17. helladonks says: Sep 15, 2013 9:00 PM

    who the hell thought schiano was a great hire?

  18. southernpatriots says: Sep 15, 2013 9:02 PM

    Brees was sacked 3 times and intercepted twice and the Saints win? That is a nice bonus.

  19. glazerh8er says: Sep 15, 2013 9:03 PM

    This is one of the worst coached games I’ve ever seen. Schiano is the homeless man’s Lombardi. The sad part is this team would be dominant with a solid coaching staff an average QB (I still think Freeman could win games, but his time here is through). But, watch out league, our defense is building to become nasty again for a LONG time. Lots of young talent.

  20. ryanw822 says: Sep 15, 2013 9:03 PM

    Glennon sucks so get over that nonsense.

  21. orivar says: Sep 15, 2013 9:03 PM

    People that are exaggerating his record.

    NCAA: 68–67 (.504)
    Bowl Games: 5–1 (.833)

    Straight from wiki.

  22. peed1 says: Sep 15, 2013 9:04 PM

    Why wasn’t this game blacked-out. Tough to be a Buc fan.
    The ending was so predictable.

  23. onebucplace says: Sep 15, 2013 9:05 PM

    Just ask yourself Schiano, WWRPD?

    (What Would Ray Perkins Do?)

  24. tubad4ya says: Sep 15, 2013 9:07 PM

    I may be a Saints fan, but I have to give props to the Bucs ‘D’. They had the Saints offense bottled up for most of the game. Lots of talent in that group. I was as surprised as anyone when Brees showed up in the end and pulled that three-ringed circus act out of his hat, but that’s what it takes to have success in this league.

  25. Bob says: Sep 15, 2013 9:07 PM

    “Whatever the Saints defense did, the Bucs should have won this game and they didn’t because they continually sabotaged themselves with mistakes that show a glaring lack of focus from the head coach all the way down to the last man on the roster.”

    Bull. The Saints dominated the first half and had they not beaten themselves with dumb mistakes and dumb coaching decisions in the first half, they would have won the game by halftime.

  26. bucrightoff says: Sep 15, 2013 9:10 PM

    Bring back Dungy and find him a franchise QB and this team is set.

  27. thestrategyexpert says: Sep 15, 2013 9:10 PM

    All hands abandon ship!

  28. labucs says: Sep 15, 2013 9:11 PM

    Time to rebuild. Revis for a 3rd. Freeman for a 7th. Penn for a 6th. Nicks for a 7th. Joseph for a 5th. Clayborne for a 6th. Bowers for a 7th. And trade the rest of the team to Los Angeles. Sciano will be run out of town on day one.

  29. saints4life57 says: Sep 15, 2013 9:14 PM

    I’m not going to lie, the Bucs should have won that game! I’m glad they didn’t but at this point I almost feel bad for them! They could easily be 2-0! If they get rid of the mistakes they are going to be one hell of a team! Who Dat!

  30. saints4life57 says: Sep 15, 2013 9:18 PM

    You guys keep talking about the coach and it being his fault? What about the over 100 yards in flags they got? Or the kicker that missed the FG? I don’t think it was the best coached game but it was enough to win! Players are the ones who lost the game for you guys!

  31. bucrightoff says: Sep 15, 2013 9:18 PM

    Also maybe Glennon sucks, but any worse than Freeman?Watch the INT, he stares VJax down and then throws off his back foot. The fumble he locks onto Luke Stocker and by the time he comes back to the wide open VJax he’s stripped, holding onto it for 5 full seconds.

    Glennon cannot be that much worse than Freeman can he? Those are rookie mistakes 4th year starter Josh Freeman is making.

  32. miketoddryan says: Sep 15, 2013 9:19 PM

    Bucs fans all commit suicide week 15 after 15 game losing FG kicks by the opposition. Jesus Christ what a mess we are

  33. pftfan says: Sep 15, 2013 9:20 PM

    It’s ok! The $16 Million Man Darrelle Revis will singlehandedly lead the Bucs to 14-2!!

  34. onebucplace says: Sep 15, 2013 9:23 PM

    orivar says:
    Sep 15, 2013 9:03 PM
    People that are exaggerating his record.

    NCAA: 68–67 (.504)
    Bowl Games: 5–1 (.833)

    ————–

    Record vs Big East: 28-48

    For his overall record take away his yearly DII wins to start the year and he’s well below a .500 coach again the DI level.

    He was fine at a mid-to-lower tier NCAA school, he has no business in the pros.

  35. wjmoffatt says: Sep 15, 2013 9:29 PM

    Right this is on the head coach…
    Refs throws a flag for Adrian Clayborne making a great hit on Bree’s who fumbles and should’ve been three points. Ref throws flag for crown hit where in other games they didn’t throw the flag, you have an article on it even. Vincent gets pushed down at 6 yards down field with ball in air but no call, Barron gets flagged for pass interence the possession before it for a buddy arm and Saints turn around and do the same with a no call. Sure there is a lot of bad ref’ing in games but there were to many blown calls in this one that would’ve been Bucs keys to victory!

  36. wjmoffatt says: Sep 15, 2013 9:30 PM

    Glennon time please! Freeman is a complete waste of snaps.

  37. wjmoffatt says: Sep 15, 2013 9:36 PM

    How did Greg play not to lose? He kicked a FG to go up 4. Playing not to lose is punting the ball to back them up even further

  38. akasaintsbaby says: Sep 15, 2013 9:39 PM

    Tough win for the Saints and tough loss for the Bucs. The Bucs defense is a LOT better than I thought they would be.

    In this weird season, the Saints can’t get their offense going but their defense is keeping them in the game despite the bad offensive play.

  39. buckeye1nation says: Sep 15, 2013 9:47 PM

    Once again I see all these people bashing Freeman. I did a bit of math on the drops (1 by Martin and 2 by V-Jax and if you ad those in he is 12-20 for about 150yds. The 73 yarder that was called back. Now he is 13-21 for 223 and 2 TD’s. There were also a couple of other completions that were called back because of penalty. So now he is 15-23 for about 240 yards and 2 TD’s and the Bucs win. He has no TE to throw to and no third receiver. If we could get 1 more guy to throw the ball to this offense could be dangerous.. .

  40. onebucplace says: Sep 15, 2013 9:48 PM

    wjmoffatt says:
    Sep 15, 2013 9:36 PM
    How did Greg play not to lose? He kicked a FG to go up 4. Playing not to lose is punting the ball to back them up even further

    ————

    NO was stacking the line to stop to the obvious run so Schiano did the same thing he has done repeatedly and he ran it right into the teeth of the NO defense. He has repeatedly done the same thing in the same situation multiple the last two years and EVERY time he has lost.

  41. harrywarden15 says: Sep 15, 2013 9:51 PM

    The Bucs should have punted at the end instead of kicking it. At least would have made the Saints go further for the field goal.

  42. wjmoffatt says: Sep 15, 2013 9:52 PM

    Once again I see all these people bashing Freeman. I did a bit of math on the drops (1 by Martin and 2 by V-Jax and if you ad those in he is 12-20 for about 150yds. The 73 yarder that was called back. Now he is 13-21 for 223 and 2 TD’s. There were also a couple of other completions that were called back because of penalty. So now he is 15-23 for about 240 yards and 2 TD’s and the Bucs win. He has no TE to throw to and no third receiver. If we could get 1 more guy to throw the ball to this offense could be dangerous.. .
    ——————————————————
    He also threw the ball more than that, so lets say his 55%. He for 1.) Made a rookie mistake and held onto the ball entirely to long on the fumble to start the second half, he had plenty of time. Lead to three points.
    2.) The pick he threw off of his back foot across his body, that is a high school mistake.
    So yes, he deserves to be bashed. VJ deserves blame too for dropping the third down balls, one was bad the other was a hard catch and shared blame

  43. realfootballfan says: Sep 15, 2013 9:52 PM

    When the bottom falls out this year, whoever inherits this defensive roster and Doug Martin will be elated. Even though the Glazers are cheap and probably won’t hire a top shelf veteran coach, just pray your new GM (yeah, Dominic, you’re getting fired too) knows how to find a coaching diamond in the rough.

    If Freeman is as disengaged as he seems or even the coaches put their futures in the hands of Mike Glennon (I know, horrifying thought), they might even get into the Bridgewater sweepstakes.

  44. wjmoffatt says: Sep 15, 2013 9:55 PM

    NO was stacking the line to stop to the obvious run so Schiano did the same thing he has done repeatedly and he ran it right into the teeth of the NO defense. He has repeatedly done the same thing in the same situation multiple the last two years and EVERY time he has lost.

    ——————————————————
    Really? What are the other occurences? Last week he killed clock to set up the game leading FG. Last year we lost to the Giants because of giving up 17 point lead, didn’t do that. Redskins we kicked a FG to take a lead with a minute left. Saints we got blown out then next time we went for the game tying td and said Mike williams came back in bounds and can’t do that once Freeman leaves the pocket. Broncos beat us down as did the Rams.

    So what games are you speaking of?

  45. brooks07 says: Sep 15, 2013 9:57 PM

    I wish I could get excited about the rest of the season but Schiano strikes me as the type of guy who would never admit he’s wrong and will continue playing not to lose. We should be 2-0!!!

  46. Florio_Jr. says: Sep 15, 2013 10:01 PM

    Bucs quit on R. Morris two years ago. They’re going to quit on this clown. 221 penalty yards in two games. They’re keeping pace w/LeSean McCoy’s rushing total (237)
    Freeman handicaps this team. They’ve spent so much money all around him, receiver, linemen, defense, a first round pick at RB and he’s still nothing. Clear bust.

  47. wjmoffatt says: Sep 15, 2013 10:03 PM

    I don’t get how Greg is so bad. He has our defense from being a laughing stock to being one of the best. If you have a QB that can’t produce double digit points then you’re in a no win situation. Freeman scored his points from turnovers in the opponents 30 yard line two games in a row. Defense can’t do it all, Freeman is a bum

  48. evilglazers666 says: Sep 15, 2013 10:04 PM

    But, one of the Glazer grandkids picked Schiano.

  49. onebucplace says: Sep 15, 2013 10:06 PM

    wjmoffatt says:
    Sep 15, 2013 9:55 PM

    Really? What are the other occurences? Last week he killed clock to set up the game leading FG. Last year we lost to the Giants because of giving up 17 point lead, didn’t do that. Redskins we kicked a FG to take a lead with a minute left. Saints we got blown out then next time we went for the game tying td and said Mike williams came back in bounds and can’t do that once Freeman leaves the pocket. Broncos beat us down as did the Rams.

    So what games are you speaking of?

    ——————

    Are you kidding? Last week with a 1:45 left he just ran it 3 times up the middle and played for the field goal. Last year against the Redskins he again ran it up the middle inside of 2 minutes again playing for the FG. This game he runs it again inside of 2 minutes, no surprise, nothing and just settles for the FG try, at least the other two times he actually made the FG. Freeman was moving the ball in each game when Schiano took the ball out of his hands and played for a FG and EACH time they lost because of it. He’s not an NFL caliber coach. Did ANYONE not think Brees was going to get a FG to win that game? Schiano is a hack.

  50. onebucplace says: Sep 15, 2013 10:07 PM

    If you watched today’s game and thought Freeman was the problem, please, please, please do the honorable thing and end yourself, you’re much too stupid to be a productive member of society.

    Thank you.

  51. nawlinssaints1956 says: Sep 15, 2013 10:09 PM

    Schiano is a clown. His rah rah stuff has to be wearing thin in the Bucs locker room. Glad to have him in the NFC South…

  52. 1newprodigy says: Sep 15, 2013 11:19 PM

    I thought my bengals looked undisciplined last week. I’ve never seen a team look as undisciplined as the bucs today. I didn’t watch them last week but didn’t they lose that game because of a personal foul? You would think they would have learned something from that.

    The defense played well when they weren’t being stupid. Guess all of this would be because of coaching but freeman sure wasn’t impressive either. Seems like he gets worse every year.

  53. ningenito78 says: Sep 15, 2013 11:48 PM

    Everybody can rip Schiano but the bottom line is he’s attempting to get guys to buy into his system and he still has some learning to do transitioning to the pros. His college record, anybody that knows anything about it apparently aren’t here, he took over a program in Rutgers that was the worst in the country and lost 34 of the games in his first 4 years there. After that he went 52-33 the rest of the way and only lost one of six bowl games he coached. As for any disdain he may have for Freeman, he spent a month preparing to play him in 2006 when Rutgers played Kansas St in the Texas Bowl. Its very possible he saw things then that he didnt like that stuck. I went to almost every home Rutgers game that he coached as a season ticket holder (jealous?) and I will say this…he is absolutely a guy you want representing and building a program/franchise. He’s extremely professional, diligent, and has no patience for anything less than max effort. However, as any Rutgers fan will tell you the 60 minutes on gameday were not his strong point. Especially on the offensive side of the ball. Fantastic defensive mind but, as some commenters have pointed out, he has some prehistoric principles on offense. He will run Martin into the ground (see: Ray Rice) and really has difficulty developing QBs but with the right offensive staff, instead of the also rans he has now, he would be fine. But at any other position he can develop the hell out of a player. Go look how many Rutgers guys are in the NFL now. 10 years ago there were zero, maybe 1. Last point, when the Bucs ownership called Bill Belechik for his recommendation he immediately said Greg Schiano. Hell BB’s son played at Rutgers. I don’t know how much better an endorsement you could want. Now I have no idea if Schiano is going to become a good NFL HC. But I do know 2 years is nowhere near enough time to know. Be patient Bucs fans.

  54. modhairken says: Sep 15, 2013 11:48 PM

    Remember when Gruden was here? Remember how he won with that cadaver Garcia and that wooden Indian Griese? Remember when he went 9-7 two years in a row? Well everyone bitched and Morris got an interview in Denver and the Glazers panicked. And here we are.

    You get what you deserve.

  55. bucforever says: Sep 16, 2013 12:24 AM

    The offense has possibilities! The defense is BACK ! Stop the damn penalties and we are 2 and o!

  56. louhudson23 says: Sep 16, 2013 12:25 AM

    Improved record last year from the rubble of a lost team ,this year has clearly improved defense and a chance to win both games …yeah this guy is definitely going backwards….

  57. mdd913 says: Sep 16, 2013 12:33 AM

    Schiano is a neanderthal, he spends all his time screaming at the refs and pumping his players full of caveman nonsense he forgets to coach the actual football game.

    And that team plays dirty as hell, launching themselves helmet-first repeatedly. I’m supposed to believe the Saints are a dirty team? They haven’t had as many blatant dirty plays in the entire Sean Payton era as the Bucs tried to pull off today. If Goodell claims to care anything about player safety as he says he does somebody needs to investigate that defense and their coaching staff because they were outright going for kill shots to the head all day long.

  58. leeeroooyjeeenkiiins says: Sep 16, 2013 12:34 AM

    Stupid penalties here and there are the fault of the players who commit them. 23 penalties in 2 games? That’s on the coach.

    And the penalties are just the tip of the iceberg right now, as we can also address the ridiculous insistence on being a run-first team in a league where 400 yard passing games happen several times a week now, undermining Freeman(regardless of your opinion on Josh, it’s the coach’s JOB to be supportive), and continuing to play not to lose by only calling running plays in close games down the stretch. Bottom line is, if he doesn’t fix this very soon the only logical reason to keep him around would be to purposely tank in an attempt to “suck harder for Bridgewater”.

    Finally, and this HAS to be pointed out…no one shops at K-Mart, even on Black Friday. Come on now, PFT.

  59. i10east says: Sep 16, 2013 1:47 AM

    Breach in starboard! breach in starboard! Abandon ship!!!

  60. ilovefoolsball says: Sep 16, 2013 1:53 AM

    Wow what a game! I have to hand it to the Bucs D they definitely brought it this game.
    It’s not all on Freeman though.
    I think the Saints D will be unexpectedly giving offenses fits all year even with all of their injuries.

    Can anyone tell me why on earth did Sean Payton go for it on 4th down on the goal after Revis was offsides for the field goal? While you have to appreciate Payton’s aggressiveness and wanting to play to win sometimes you just don’t take points off of the board.

    Schiano should be in line to be Texas’ head coach next year when Mack leaves. He belongs in the college ranks, not the pros.

  61. revlover80 says: Sep 16, 2013 2:03 AM

    I was at the game and thought Freeman looked completely disengaged. It’s like his heart wasn’t in it until the last drive. I’ve been behind him the whole way, but something’s off about him this year… He’s clearly not into it and not performing as a result. Even with all the stupid penalties, which, frankly, there are no excuses for, even with a decent game from Freeman the Bucs win this game. It’s not all on him but something is clearly wrong with him.

  62. thehuddleisondeathrow says: Sep 16, 2013 2:03 AM

    The Bucs will not win until Schiano is gone. Schiano is not NFL coachin material! He is average at best. 7 Game losing streak = time to go….

  63. thehuddleisondeathrow says: Sep 16, 2013 2:08 AM

    Pat Shurmur for new Head Coach of the Bucs… Go Bucs!

  64. lagg1 says: Sep 16, 2013 5:56 AM

    Offensively and defensively, the Bucs do not show up at crunch time. They move the ball over 5 minutes to near the Saints goal line and Lindell misses from 47. Then Brees attacks the middle of the field again and yep the Bucs lose-good grief. As for Schiano, I do not like college coaches being picked to handle an NFL team. Nine times out of ten, it doesn’t work. Why because the incoming coach doesn’t change, adjust or adapt.

  65. saints4life57 says: Sep 16, 2013 6:40 AM

    Man yall are just bashing the hell out of the Bucs! I still say they turn it around this year and have a good season! TB fans did you happen to see your defense yesterday? They pretty much completely shut down one of the best if not the best offense in the NFL and made it look easy! I know it’s been a rough start but it will get better! Saints Fan; )

    P.S. Please murder the Falcons twice for us TY!

  66. walterwhite1976 says: Sep 16, 2013 7:30 AM

    Completely agree, get rid of Schiano and get the hell off Freeman’s back. Drops and bogus penalties on QB darling Brees didn’t help.

  67. 20bust11 says: Sep 17, 2013 3:49 PM

    The fact that most commenting Bucs fans don’t understand that helmet to helmet hits aren’t going to be tolerated, in the NFL, proves that the fans are no better than their team. One of the Bucs players will miss an entire game because of the cheap shot on Sproles, and the guy who decided he should use his helmet to tackle a defenseless receiver (i.e. Graham) should be kicked out of the NFL. All QBs are off limits, and a helmet to helmet hit, on a qb, isn’t going to be tolerated ever. The Bucs need to clean up their game, and at 0-2, they need to do it quickly. As for beating Atlanta, that’s never going to happen with Freeman at the Helm. He’s a good QB; he’s just not good enough.

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