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Garcon says RG3 can’t be the same player with a knee brace

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Washington quarterback Robert Griffin III says he’s fully recovered from knee surgery and just as fast as ever. But teammate Pierre Garcon says there’s no way Griffin can be the same player as long as he’s wearing the knee brace that he didn’t wear last year but does wear this year.

Garcon said on ESPN 980 that the offense is the same as it was last year, but that defenses recognize that Griffin won’t be the same threat running the ball.

Robert obviously can’t run as fast as he did last year because of his knee brace and his knee, but it’s the same offense, to be honest with you. It’s nothing different. It hasn’t changed at all,” Garcon said, via Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post.

Of course, if Griffin can’t run as fast, the offense has changed. Last year Griffin carried 120 times for 815 yards and seven touchdowns. This year Griffin has nine carries for 25 yards and no touchdowns. Obviously, that’s a major difference.

And although Garcon says the offense “hasn’t changed at all,” he does believe the brace on Griffin’s knee changes Griffin as a player.

“Well, when you’re walking around with a knee brace or playing with a knee brace, obviously it’s slowing you down a little bit,” Garcon said. “It’s just natural. It’s common. . . . I don’t know how much it weighs, exactly, but you always think about it when you have it on there, and it’s a constant reminder. It’s not gonna let you be the guy you are without the knee brace. When you have something around your knees – the more equipment you have on, it’s obviously distracting you or slowing you down from being as free as loose as yourself without any equipment on.”

Griffin can be an effective passer even without a running threat, but what really made Griffin special as a rookie is that he was probably the best athlete we’ve ever seen play the quarterback position, an athlete who could have been an Olympic hurdler if he hadn’t decided to focus on football. Without that athleticism, Griffin is not the same player, and Washington does not have the same offense.

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75 Responses to “Garcon says RG3 can’t be the same player with a knee brace”
  1. Patriot42 says: Sep 17, 2013 1:58 PM

    So take it off and get another ACL injury no skin off my nose.

  2. sbchampsagain says: Sep 17, 2013 1:59 PM

    Where’s that dude that does all the hashtags gone since the Redskins started 0-2???

    #backtomediocrity
    #racistnamekarma

  3. timcast12 says: Sep 17, 2013 2:00 PM

    Redskins are badd! Greenbay all day!

  4. iamedreed says: Sep 17, 2013 2:00 PM

    Best athlete ever to play QB?? Sorry but no, a prime mike vick is still the fastest player I’ve ever seen

    Bob is fast, but he has NEVER been the fastest player on the field like vick was

    and Vick has the stronger arm to boot

  5. alphaq2 says: Sep 17, 2013 2:02 PM

    As a Redskins fan I think this is a good thing for Griffin to go through. It forces him to use his arm more than his legs. In the long run this will be beneficial. He will eventually regain his mobility and that combined with the pocket practice he is getting will make him more dangerous. We all knew this would be a difficult season with the schedule we are playing. I just hope to see improvement, but realistically I don’t expect to see it until about mid season. What I am much more worried about than Griffin is the state of the defense. There is too much talent to be allowing 30 plus points a game. Haslett better think of something quickly or he could be gone.

  6. suhisbetterthanu says: Sep 17, 2013 2:03 PM

    5-11 at best this year

  7. nygf says: Sep 17, 2013 2:05 PM

    It’s almost as if some people have been saying this exact same thing for months…

  8. twobluegills says: Sep 17, 2013 2:06 PM

    Umm please, “the best player to ever play the quarterback position”?? I quess you just started watching football last year then. NOT EVEN CLOSE!

  9. forsbergler says: Sep 17, 2013 2:06 PM

    The reason he was an effective passer last year was because of the ability to run the ball. I really feel bad for this kid. hopefully this team develops his pocket game which will be tuff because this offencive line in not built to pass protect. they are small, fast, and athletic so that they can run the zone blocking scheme effectivly. when they have to pass protect for 3-4 seconds they are getting man handled. I hope doesn’t get pushed to do things his knee isn’t ready for because he will be dynomite when he can run again and is fully heathy.

  10. qdeathstar says: Sep 17, 2013 2:07 PM

    Ah shut up garçon we no want to hear it!

  11. logicalvoicesays says: Sep 17, 2013 2:08 PM

    We aren’t the same. We aren’t going anywhere. #fallingoffthebandwagon

  12. everyoneholdsorakpo says: Sep 17, 2013 2:09 PM

    Kyle better come up with something fast then. The season is lost before it gets started if not.

  13. f1restarter says: Sep 17, 2013 2:09 PM

    I disagree that RG3 can be an effective passer without also being a running threat. He’s not in the same class as Manning, Rodgers, Brady, or Brees. Once the legs go, he’s done.

  14. logicalvoicesays says: Sep 17, 2013 2:10 PM

    This league has a conspiracy against the Redskins. The best QB since Elway in RGIII doesn’t deserve to be treated like this. If I were him and the team, I’d cut the shield on the jersey off and censored the letters NFL or the words National, Football, League. The football should be concerned and paying attention to this disgraceful agenda from Goodell. Don’t come crying to me when it happens to your favorite team in the future and say I didn’t warn you! #RespecttheREDSKINS

  15. everyoneholdsorakpo says: Sep 17, 2013 2:12 PM

    Back to the Schaub/Grossman -Texans offense from 2011, without Grossman.

  16. azarkhan says: Sep 17, 2013 2:12 PM

    He will never be the same player he was in 2012.

  17. purpleguy says: Sep 17, 2013 2:13 PM

    Are all the defensive players wearing knee braces too?

  18. Andre's Johnson says: Sep 17, 2013 2:14 PM

    Hmm. I noticed the word “Redskins” does not appear in the article.

  19. ravens4life says: Sep 17, 2013 2:15 PM

    He is a QB, he must pass the ball and run only as a secondary option. See SF vs GB as an example. Maybe RGIII is overrated?

  20. floratiotime says: Sep 17, 2013 2:18 PM

    Teams have had a year to get used to it too. No one is surprised this time around.

  21. gdublud says: Sep 17, 2013 2:19 PM

    Hope he bounces back soon. He does have talent but Shanahan should let him rest up a game or two. In regards to Logicalvoice and his post about people with 0 football lnowledge, see how many teams have won the Super Bowl that have started 0-2. All of his posts are 100% biased and have nothing but pithy nonsense about redskins ownership, front office, coaching and players. Snyder hired Gibbs, Spurrier, and Shanahan. You, child are the one with Zero football knowledge. At least be honest with yourself, because none of us, especially honest skins fans see the same thing you do. I am a #49er fan and I was the first to ppst how we got throttled by Seattle and they are clearly the team to beat in the NFC West. The #49ers have alot of work to do and being biased doesnt help your team, its just exposes your ignorance.

    #Denial #NoDefense #Bad_Ownership

  22. 81buckeye says: Sep 17, 2013 2:24 PM

    Is he noticeably slower? Yes. Is he noticeably more timid? Yes. Are defenses concerned about him running? Nope. Has he been humbled? Yes But…let’s give this some time. In the not to distant past this used to be an 18 month injury. It may take half the season or maybe until next season before we can judge him.

  23. thedanceface says: Sep 17, 2013 2:25 PM

    Sad that this injury could have been avoided with proper field maintenance. We lost Chris Clemons, our best pass rusher, that day as well due to the pathetic field conditions at FedEx. Hope to see RGIII return to form, he as as fun to watch as anybody in the league.

  24. dclogicatlast says: Sep 17, 2013 2:26 PM

    Vick was a way better athlete in his prime. No contest. RG3 is a more accurate passer though.

  25. Nostrils10 says: Sep 17, 2013 2:27 PM

    logicalvoicesays says:
    Sep 17, 2013 2:08 PM
    We aren’t the same. We aren’t going anywhere. #fallingoffthebandwagon

    love it

  26. dynasonic says: Sep 17, 2013 2:29 PM

    “logicalvoicesays says:
    Sep 17, 2013 2:10 PM
    This league has a conspiracy against the Redskins. The best QB since Elway in RGIII doesn’t deserve to be treated like this. If I were him and the team, I’d cut the shield on the jersey off and censored the letters NFL or the words National, Football, League. The football should be concerned and paying attention to this disgraceful agenda from Goodell. Don’t come crying to me when it happens to your favorite team in the future and say I didn’t warn you! #RespecttheREDSKINS”

    Perhaps you should have warned Colts fans before the Redskins D that was headed by Gregg Williams destroyed Peyton Manning’s neck. #screwtheredskins

  27. getyourownname says: Sep 17, 2013 2:40 PM

    “Robert obviously can’t run as fast as he did last year because of his knee brace and his knee, but it’s the same offense, to be honest with you.”

    That is like saying a rushing offense is the same as between Adrian Peterson and, say, Blair Thomas. They both play(ed) the same position. Just a small difference in effect.

  28. ninefingers9 says: Sep 17, 2013 2:42 PM

    But but but…Its Bob the 3! I thought he was gonna come back better…stronger…another Adrian Peterson? Pffft

  29. ilovefoolsball says: Sep 17, 2013 2:43 PM

    RG3 is yet another cautionary tale against mobile QB’s.

    I’ll take Brady, Manning, and Brees over RGIII anyday.

  30. louhudson23 says: Sep 17, 2013 2:44 PM

    12 weeks to early.No mystery,except for why they let a a young player make a personnel decisiona,and clearly a poor one at that….

  31. richndc says: Sep 17, 2013 2:45 PM

    karma–now I bet he is sorry about bragging that he had the world’s largest collection of beastiality videos….nuff said.

  32. faiteschier says: Sep 17, 2013 2:49 PM

    logicalvoicesays says: Sep 17, 2013 2:10 PM

    The football should be concerned and paying attention to this disgraceful agenda from Goodell. Don’t come crying to me when it happens to your favorite team in the future and say I didn’t warn you! #RespecttheREDSKINS
    __________________________________”The Football” is very aware of this, Logical, very aware and is not happy.

  33. raiderufan says: Sep 17, 2013 2:50 PM

    CALM DOWN

    This stuff is so annoying. Look at it from over here…in reality…

    He tore his knee in January of THIS YEAR.

    Worked it back to healthy enough to start an NFL football game in 9 months time.

    AND he didn’t get 1 single live rep with the team outside of a few practice reps until the very first game of the year. You know, the ones that count.

    Give him a minute. I realize he’s world class but what he’s trying to do is monumental. 2 games after a knee tear from 9 months ago I’m supposed to write him off?

    The league is not hurting for stories. The only story here is that anyone was stupid enough to believe he come out the gates like superman after the year he’s had.

  34. ridingwithnohandlebars says: Sep 17, 2013 2:56 PM

    logicalvoicesays says:
    Sep 17, 2013 2:08 PM
    We aren’t the same. We aren’t going anywhere. #fallingoffthebandwagon
    ——————
    We have a jumper!

  35. senetor24 says: Sep 17, 2013 2:57 PM

    logicalvoices = fairweather fan

    #dcdoesnothaverealfans

  36. bigmike60 says: Sep 17, 2013 2:58 PM

    After seeing this team play the last two games I can understand why some Native Americans want to remove any connection to them from its name.

  37. skinsrock says: Sep 17, 2013 2:59 PM

    No panic… The Giants started 0-2 in 2007 & gave up 80 pts in those games… They went on to win the SB. We just need to get to the bye 2-2 & regroup.

  38. thegreatgabbert says: Sep 17, 2013 3:00 PM

    Tears filled every eye as little Robert bravely unbuckled his brace and dropped it to the floor. He teetered a bit, but did not fall. Applause broke out as he tenatively took a step without the brace. “God bless us, everyone!”.

  39. harrypairotestes says: Sep 17, 2013 3:06 PM

    The decision to play at the start of the season wasn’t just Griffin’s but was essentially approved by the team and its handlers. If not, why else would he be starting. With that being said, the team now has to live with the consequences of a player playing at his first games of the season. There have been QBs throughout the history of the NFL that has played all of the preseason games and still wound up underperforming during the regular season. There are a lot of variables including his injury, mentality and, approach, or change of it, as a result of said injury.

    Would giving him some time off maybe help with his cause or improve his game? Maybe, maybe not. I am saying, the skins and their fans should stop with the “this is” or “that is” the reason explanation. The team made a decision, they have to stick with it and, as a fan, you should as well, plus, wasn’t most of ya’ll the ones predicting Griffin coming back as strong, if not stronger than AP?

    Please, stop with the excuses, your team is exactly who we thought you were. PRETENDERS!!!

  40. 80sbroncofan says: Sep 17, 2013 3:10 PM

    He is not even close to being the same player he was last year. Anyone with eyes and a brain can see that he has not fully recovered from his injury.

  41. harrisonhits2 says: Sep 17, 2013 3:10 PM

    “Robert obviously can’t run as fast as he did last year because of his knee brace and his knee, but it’s the same offense, to be honest with you. It’s nothing different. It hasn’t changed at all
    ____________________________

    Yes and it has nothing to do with the fact that now NFL defensive coordinators have had a whole offseason to study the film of that offense and Griffin and have found ways to defeat it.

  42. bigbluenationdb says: Sep 17, 2013 3:12 PM

    I will take the slow pocket passer any day over the mobile QB that makes a few ESPN highlights a few times a year and misses games.

    RG3 is probably a better QB then Daunte Culpepper ever was but once Culpepper blew his knee out he never returned for form. Granted Culpepper had Moss and Carter to throw and put up huge numbers but he never returned to MVP form of the 2004 season.

    Just saying you can’t expect everyone to come back like AP especially when it is your 2nd ACL.

  43. kingmj4891 says: Sep 17, 2013 3:13 PM

    logicalvoicesays says:
    Sep 17, 2013 2:08 PM
    We aren’t the same. We aren’t going anywhere. #fallingoffthebandwagon

    __________________________

    Never did I think I would see this, regardless how stupid I find 99% of your posts you always stood on your beliefs when many would have not.

  44. mrwalterisgod says: Sep 17, 2013 3:13 PM

    Where are all the people defending the decision to keep RGIII in that game against Seattle?

    Bad decision by Shanahan.

  45. malvaren18 says: Sep 17, 2013 3:16 PM

    Don’t forget the Defense really sucks too

  46. harrisonhits2 says: Sep 17, 2013 3:18 PM

    logicalvoicesays says:

    This league has a conspiracy against the Redskins. The best QB since Elway in RGIII doesn’t deserve to be treated like this.
    _____________________

    LOL yes it was Godell that insisted he go back into the game in January injured so he could get severely injured.

    Yes it was Goodell who insisted he get back on the field by game 1 of the season when he wasn’t ready.

    Yes it was Goodell who insisted he wear a knee brace while he play, not his doctors and the coaching staff.

    I’m Goodell also insisted he wear a brace from the 1950s so he would be certain to slow the player down instead of a modern lightweight one.

    Lol logical, the NFL fandom’s version of a religious zealot. The failings of his team and its’ players are never their own fault.

  47. gammynomnom says: Sep 17, 2013 3:19 PM

    Also hindering R3…he sucks.

  48. sfgiant49er says: Sep 17, 2013 3:19 PM

    “Of course, if Griffin can’t run as fast, the offense has changed. Last year Griffin carried 120 times for 815 yards and seven touchdowns. This year Griffin has nine carries for 25 yards and no touchdowns. Obviously, that’s a major difference.” This comment is stupid. U guys are actin like he played a whole season already. Its only week 3 now. Smh

  49. musicman495 says: Sep 17, 2013 3:47 PM

    twobluegills says: Sep 17, 2013 2:06 PM

    Umm please, “the best player to ever play the quarterback position”?? I quess you just started watching football last year then. NOT EVEN CLOSE!
    ——————————–
    Umm, the statement was “the best athlete to ever play the quarterback position.” I quess you just started reading last year then.

  50. endzone says: Sep 17, 2013 3:54 PM

    Logical Phew. Glad you are okay. I was worried. You can’t get so upset about this stuff. Pick other teams and players to like besides the Skins. Sure last year was a wonderful year for us because of RG3 but now we’re just back to our status quo of being awful: same old, same old and he’s just a Bob this year.

    This weekend maybe you should not watch the Redskins game Logical because of something I heard here yesterday. RG3 knee might get tossed into the stands by that huggy bear Suh! Maybe Shanny can Greg Williams as a guest speaker to give his Kill The Head Speech to the defense at the hotel Saturday night as a form of preventative medicine for Bob’s knee. That speech might inspire Haslet too.

  51. hendawg21 says: Sep 17, 2013 3:56 PM

    It’s apparent more idiots frequent this site than knowledgeable fans…first after 2 weeks he’s the 7th ranked QB in the league, and has shown if need be he can still run and outrun most of the people on the field…now take a look at the other 25 QB’s ranked below him, what say ye’ about them for Eli 7 interceptions in two games, Romo has been hit hard damn near knocked out the game with bruised ribs and that offense in Pittsburgh whoa the offense is currently ranked 6th…the problems of this team aren’t RGIII it’s poor tackling and lack of defense and no contribution from special teams, if there is a stat for number of possessions inside your own 20 the Skins probably lead this category because of no help from the D or special teams now this is the problem not RGIII.

  52. forsbergler says: Sep 17, 2013 4:01 PM

    The guy is maybe 75% right now. Anybody can see that he doesn’t have the explosivness he had last year. Give that knee another 6 months to heal, lose the brace, protect himself better this time around and this team is going to be tuff to stop just like it was last year.

  53. jwcarlson says: Sep 17, 2013 4:16 PM

    The best course of action for the Skins would be to get him back to form around Week 8. Have him look like his old self. Get him through the end of the season healthy.

    Then trade him away and get as many of the picks they wasted on him as they can. His knee will ALWAYS be a ticking time bomb and a thought in the back of his head making him more cautious than before.

    #theypaidarediculousprice

  54. jwcarlson says: Sep 17, 2013 4:19 PM

    I think the Skins are keeping that brace on him to keep him under control so he’s not out for the season by week six.

  55. ohioraider22 says: Sep 17, 2013 4:26 PM

    Forrest Gump did not have any trouble running with braces.
    I thought this guy was the next “Superman”?
    Everytime I read that crap last year it made me sick. Everybody is one hit away from an injury. Quit putting these guys on a hero display. If he’s too afraid, pull him and yes by his play he’s afraid.

  56. goodellisruiningtheleague says: Sep 17, 2013 4:28 PM

    Ravens are the best team in the DMV… The Redskins wish they could be as good as them #SuperBowlXLVIIIBound #Threepeat

  57. weepingjebus says: Sep 17, 2013 4:29 PM

    Eh, the only reason RGIII even has the stats he does have is because he runs them up in garbage time when the game is well out of hand. What the Redskins should do is play Cousins in the first half of every game, and RGIII in the second half. They’ll still lose by a blowout every time thanks to that atrocious defense, but can at least pretend that RGIII is as magical as he always was.

  58. bighurt228 says: Sep 17, 2013 4:49 PM

    The guys a very good QB, but after 2 major Knee surgeries already, and his inability to run…….it kind of makes him basically a pocket passer. It’s taken half his game away possibly. If that’s the case, he better brush up on a different type of offense to be successful.

  59. otrd13 says: Sep 17, 2013 5:04 PM

    Could not agree with the Vick advocates more here. If you think that RG3 last year was as good an athlete as Vick in his prime your either too young to remember or you should see a neurologist about your memory loss.

    Vick as fast as desean jackson is now, cut as well as mccoy and had an arm that rivaled or beat out any quarterback in the NFL. Vick might have been the best athlete in the world at the time considering the two other dominant athletes were steroid users in Bonds and Armstrong.

    With that being said RG3 is a better pocket passer, has more accuracy than Vick did and was the best athlete at the position since Vick for sure.

  60. thirdistheworrd says: Sep 17, 2013 5:08 PM

    twobluegills says: Sep 17, 2013 2:06 PM

    Umm please, “the best player to ever play the quarterback position”?? I quess you just started watching football last year then. NOT EVEN CLOSE!
    _____________
    Umm please, ” ‘the best former US senator to ever play the quarterback position”?? I “quess” you’ve never followed football or politics then!!! SEE I CAN BE OUTRAGED BY SENTENCES I MISREAD TOO!

  61. jamaltimore says: Sep 17, 2013 5:11 PM

    Not Superbob! He can do anything he wants to didn’t you see the ESPN special, GQ mag, ESPN Mag, washpost wedding specials and all the commercial?

  62. peytonsneck18 says: Sep 17, 2013 5:13 PM

    IRG3 the overated,

  63. peytonsneck18 says: Sep 17, 2013 5:21 PM

    Operation pukefest will be his next T-shirt he will wear, i hear subway and gatorade pulled their endorsement from him, looks like mushmouth is exposed already his 2nd year , the ressurection to the basement has been televised

  64. billgatesbarber says: Sep 17, 2013 5:36 PM

    The Redskins defense better remove the knee brace too.

  65. gzinn18631 says: Sep 17, 2013 5:44 PM

    PFT loves to write articles about the Redskins. We have more fans and haters than anyone. It gets more page views. Google Florio in twitter war with Jaguars mascot. He brags to him about 50 to 100 mil views per month.

  66. iceburgskin202 says: Sep 17, 2013 5:52 PM

    Y’all love to hate on RG3 did he take your girl or something he obviously is rusty no preseason live play. But if he came out and played well people would blame it on HGH!! Kid can’t win in y’all eyes it’s funny to see grown men obsess over another man like this!! HTTR

  67. cmgww says: Sep 17, 2013 6:01 PM

    I am so glad the Colts went with Luck. I don’t wish harm to RG3, but to this point (knock on wood) Luck has been a tank despite the beating he has taken…and he can run too. When RG3 is 100% he is scary, but he has to get there first. Blame the “Adrian Peterson” effect for this trend of guys rushing back, just bc AP is a freak of nature doesn’t mean everyone is. And it’s showing. BTW, that 7th place offensive ranking is purely garbage time points, Skins fans…don’t spin the truth. RG was rushed back and it is showing.

  68. boyshole25 says: Sep 17, 2013 6:44 PM

    He won’t be up to speed for at least half the year maybe even a season. Grand scheme of things he’s gonna be a great one for years to come. Holy cow 2 games In and these redskins fans are Fallin off the cliff. I’ve stuck with them since 83 and I’m not runnin now. #httr

  69. boyshole25 says: Sep 17, 2013 6:46 PM

    Sick of these bandwagon fans

  70. thedudeabides422 says: Sep 17, 2013 7:21 PM

    Let the excuses begin! There’s a reason why the most over rated player in the history of the NFL make 10 X more $ in endorsements than Luck, and it has nothing to do with talent. 78% of the Skins plays came out of that college “cap gun” offense, and not its gone the way of the wildcat.

  71. ninthwardfriend says: Sep 17, 2013 10:36 PM

    Rg3years griffin.

  72. ravensfan19 says: Sep 18, 2013 7:46 AM

    Don’t respond to that ‘ Logicalvoicesays’ troll

  73. bigblackanvil says: Sep 18, 2013 9:14 AM

    Be back here all you non believers next Monday after they unleash Griffin on the Lions. Let’s see how much smack you guys talk then. HTTR

  74. l0gicalv0icesays says: Sep 18, 2013 12:08 PM

    If only I wasn’t a loser internet troll. I would have something in life to look forward to. Now that the Redskins are back to being irrelevant, I have nothing

  75. minnesoulja says: Sep 18, 2013 12:27 PM

    Logical… don’t give up on your team. Even if this year DOES end up a bust. Even if RGIII doesn’t pan out long term.

    Hold your head high. Your team has clout. Even at 0-2 is still relevant.

    I am a Vikings fan. I used to be the variety that said “Superbowl this year” every August. You need to learn to temper your expectations and just not sound like such a d bag when you post.

    Don’t trash other players or teams. Give credit where its due. Don’t be a troll on other teams stories (especially AP) and maybe the pigskin gods will rain down some Sunday glory for your boys.

    I want them to stick it to the Motor City Kitties this weekend. Get it done. Stay positive. Things can always be worse.

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