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Officials incorrectly enforced new red flag rule against Vikings

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Two weeks ago, referee Bill Leavy’s crew committed multiple errors in the determination and enforcement of penalties after 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick was mugged out of bounds by Packers linebacker Clay Matthews.

Today, Leavy and company made an another mistake that Leavy was forced to acknowledge after the game.

It happened in the second quarter of Minnesota’s loss to Cleveland, when the Browns muffed a punt, the Vikings recovered it and advanced it for a touchdown, the ruling on the field was that the Vikings couldn’t advance a muff, and Vikings coach Leslie Frazier threw the red challenge flag.

In response, Leavy’s crew threw the yellow penalty flag, because Frazier has no ability to challenge any aspect of a play involving a turnover.  But Leavy’s crew shouldn’t have flagged Frazier.

“A timeout should have been charged instead of a 15-yard penalty,” Leavy said after the game, via the Associated Press.

If the Vikings had no timeouts, a penalty would have been appropriate.The Vikings still got the ball, but possession was moved from the Cleveland 26 back to the Cleveland 41.  The drive ended in a field goal.

It doesn’t mean the Vikings would have scored a touchdown if they had started the drive at the Cleveland 26, or that the score would have been 31-31 at the end of regulation instead of 31-27.

But it does mean that Leavy’s crew has had a very rough start to the season.

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52 Responses to “Officials incorrectly enforced new red flag rule against Vikings”
  1. filthymcnasty1 says: Sep 22, 2013 7:05 PM

    Those refs are almost as incompetent as the hapless and tasteless Vikings.

  2. larryboodry says: Sep 22, 2013 7:07 PM

    Don’t like the Vikings, but they got robbed…And Leavy’s crew should be fired.

  3. bigbluefan11 says: Sep 22, 2013 7:08 PM

    NFL officiating is a joke. If the NFL’s shill media, for example, Peter King, didn’t slant public sentiment against the replacement officials with biased converage, the NFL might have broken the back of the union that’s propping up incompetent refs like Leavy’s crew, Ron Winter’s crew, and the worst of all, Ed Hoculi’s crew.

  4. onebucplace says: Sep 22, 2013 7:11 PM

    Fire the union scum. Oh yeah, that’s right, you can’t.

  5. ad296 says: Sep 22, 2013 7:14 PM

    Game*

  6. orivar says: Sep 22, 2013 7:16 PM

    Oh look Bill Leavy blowing more calls. Only did it with the Superbowl against the Hawks. Only did it in another game giving Big Ben a critical rushing TD that didn’t exist (Any one remember that?). Only did it a few times that I unfortunately can’t remember, only did it two weeks ago.

    ..Only did it again!

  7. makimaguro says: Sep 22, 2013 7:16 PM

    Everyone was complaining about the replacement refs last year….Should have kept them. Same product, way less money.

  8. ad296 says: Sep 22, 2013 7:17 PM

    Every time packer trolls post it validates your pathetic cowardly lives. First to post.. you are pathetic. You represent packers fans accurately

  9. filthymcnasty1 says: Sep 22, 2013 7:19 PM

    ad296 says:
    Sep 22, 2013 7:17 PM
    Every time packer trolls post it validates your pathetic cowardly lives. First to post..

    *******************************************

    This proves it. We own you.

  10. thestrategyexpert says: Sep 22, 2013 7:23 PM

    Just further evidence that every NFL game should have an overseer to ensure for quality control. There’s always next week to have a clean and fair game.

  11. gb4mn0 says: Sep 22, 2013 7:28 PM

    That’s all the cry baby purple toads need is another game to claim was stole from them….geeez! The losers are still whining about the 2010 NFCCC game. When it comes to a missed call going the biqueens way, the league should stay silent because who cares about the lavender Larrys anyway?

  12. frosted21 says: Sep 22, 2013 7:30 PM

    filthymcnasty was a vikings fan all offseason, talking peterson up, etc., now that they are 0-3 he’s acting like he’s been a packer fan!!! hahaha. unreal. this kid needs to get out of here. not to mention the packers are awful this year too, so why he chose to jump on their bandwagon makes no sense.

  13. veetan says: Sep 22, 2013 7:30 PM

    Man, I’ll bet that Roger Goodell conspired against the Vikings for them to lose to the Browns,, er, uh, or was it the Lions, or the Bears.

    No, wait! It’s the Saints’ fault – that’s it! The Saints made us lose again!!!!!

  14. lifelongwanderer says: Sep 22, 2013 7:33 PM

    this is good karma for the browns, still being payed back by the universe for the D’wayne Rudd helmet removal that lost them a game in 02

  15. source7769 says: Sep 22, 2013 7:34 PM

    it was all Suhs fault right Florio?

  16. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Sep 22, 2013 7:35 PM

    We’re better off having the invalid penalty cost us the game, because if you need that to beat the Browns, you suck anyway. Looking at the bright side, if we can keep this going we have a great shot at finally getting a quarterback in the draft.

  17. mylionsroaring says: Sep 22, 2013 7:37 PM

    Blame the NFL they keep adding and changing so many rules the refs can’t keep them all straight. Yes they got it wrong, but look who can keep up with all the fricking rules. They change them all the time.

    This is illegal now, but last year it was a TD

    This is something they could do two years ago, but now they can’t do it anymore

    That was a fumble now it’s a forward pass.

    He slid forward so that’s a fumble

    He slid feet first so that’s a illegal hit

    He is not a qb anymore he is a runner, oh wait he handed the ball off so it’s a late hit, no wait he didn’t surrender so it’s okay to hit him, no wait did he try and raise his hands to surrender?

    It crossed the plain before the fumble so it’s a TD

    He didn’t have complete control after he crossed the plain so it’s incomplete, no wait……………….. WHO KNOWS not the Refs that’s for sure.

  18. kremis says: Sep 22, 2013 7:43 PM

    I didn’t know the NFL was still using replacement refs. I hope the regular refs come back soon!

  19. wadi79 says: Sep 22, 2013 7:59 PM

    Browns win!

  20. teamnorsecore says: Sep 22, 2013 8:01 PM

    If this would have happened to the Packers, we would have to hear about it for MONTHS and how it was the sole reason for their loss from their pathetic fans. Thank Goodell it wasn’t.

  21. racksie says: Sep 22, 2013 8:07 PM

    Well that and it it looked like the return guy regained possession, making it a fumble. Not the reason they lost, but they need some oversight from somewhere!

  22. harrisonhits2 says: Sep 22, 2013 8:09 PM

    Why is everyone so surprised?

    In every single nfl game we see the refs blow calls and miss numerous others.

    In many games we see the refs not know a particular rule or how to enforce one properly.

    These guys should have to be ful time, and be required to attend online meetings where the tape of every single game from the previous week’s games are reviewed, every penalty called discussed, enforcement discussed etc.

    In the offseason they should have to review every game from the previous season in the same way. And discuss collectively how new rule changes will be enforced.

    Unless and until they do this nfl officiating will remain poor with little consistency between crews.

  23. borisbulldog says: Sep 22, 2013 8:12 PM

    Didn’t really matter, the Browns owned the vikes the whole game!

    They win with no running game and committing 4 to’s. The d sacked Ponder 5 times and held last year’s MVP to 88 yards.

  24. lucimorland says: Sep 22, 2013 8:13 PM

    What do you expect with part-time employees who have full-time jobs elsewhere?

    You’re getting, basically, the same level of attention to NFL rules as little league volunteer umpires give to those rules: once a week and after a 40-50 hour workweek.

  25. citiciti says: Sep 22, 2013 8:14 PM

    Holmgren would quit if that happened to him.

  26. whatjusthapped says: Sep 22, 2013 8:19 PM

    To lose to the hapless Browns is bad enough, now it makes it worse to think that some of the blame is on the ref’s.

    Whatever you do, don’t blame it on Ponder throwing yet another pick or the Vikings defense that couldn’t hold another lead, no, lets on jump on the refs.

    Up this week is the Steelers and a chance to go 0-4. The Vikings will soon prove you don’t have to play the game in North America for them to lose.

  27. johnnyblood24 says: Sep 22, 2013 8:22 PM

    All scoring plays and all change of possession plays are automatically reviewed. How is this difficult for any coach to understand?

    Did someone score on the play? Yes. Keep the flag in your pocket.

    Was there some type of turnover such as a fumble or an interception? Yes. Keep the flag in your pocket.

  28. jayniner says: Sep 22, 2013 8:25 PM

    Just like the government, the more rules and regulation you create, the harder it is to keep track and enforce them correctly and consistently.

    KISS – Keep It Simple Stupid

  29. taintedlombardis says: Sep 22, 2013 8:26 PM

    Hochuli also blew the RG3 fumble.

    “Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 states that ‘An offici”Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 states that ‘An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended: (e): when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance.’al shall declare the ball dead and the down ended: (e): when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance.’

  30. juzthadoginme says: Sep 22, 2013 8:28 PM

    Its about time one went our way….GO BROWNS

  31. mclovin07 says: Sep 22, 2013 8:30 PM

    As a Vikings fan, I’m ashamed to admit Ponder is our starting QB. What a joke…

  32. taintedsaints2009 says: Sep 22, 2013 8:40 PM

    I think I speak for all Vikings fans when I say: who cares. Vikings were going to lose that game regardless.

  33. teamnorsecore says: Sep 22, 2013 9:00 PM

    Very true taintedsaints. Vikes are taking on the persona of their head coach……..no emotion, arms crossed, same rehashed sound bites every week.

  34. adantsa says: Sep 22, 2013 9:26 PM

    I believe I saw NO have the exact same scenario where Payton tossed the red flag on an unchallenagable play. They were given nothing. This rule needs to go.

  35. longcutskolvikes says: Sep 22, 2013 10:11 PM

    I’m not saying Ponder is the answer at QB, in fact I think it’s time move on. I do think that this team has bigger problems though. That is a wretched defense out there folks. One that has far too much talent to be that bad. Obviously I’m no genius, but it certainly seems like there is a coaching deficiency with this team. Which is a shame, because Leslie Frazier is a classy man.

  36. veetan says: Sep 22, 2013 10:14 PM

    You know the old term, “We have met the enemy – an he is us”? I think about that when I see all the “tainted”-this team, and tainted-that team, in the online monikers of Vikings fans. Worse, they troll other teams’ pages with their incessant whining and ugly comments. Well, if there was ever a reason to use the term, “tainted” in association with an NFL team, “he is us”.

    Ever since Bud Grant retired, the entire organization has been a disgrace. To wit: the team’s on-field performance (consistent losing seasons), the disgraceful actions of the players (loveboat), the front office publicity stunt failures (the Farve fiasco), a bitter & excuse making fan base (represented by those who post on PFT), the current sad state of affairs, etc., etc., etc.

    All of this has resulted in a cumulative effect of this; the once formidable Vikings organization has become a stain on the entire National Football League. It’s a shame the Saints, the Packers, the Bears, or anybody else has to be associated with the Vikings. In that sense, I suppose other teams are indeed tainted….. by having to play in the same league as the Vikings.

    Perhaps the mascot should be slightly altered to the more appropriate, “Taintkings” instead of Vikings.

  37. jimthebuilder27 says: Sep 22, 2013 10:23 PM

    The refs can’t enforce the 10,000,000 rules put in place by the Rulemeister Roger Goodell.

  38. tokyosandblaster says: Sep 22, 2013 10:42 PM

    Brian Hoyer.

  39. linemanguy74 says: Sep 22, 2013 11:07 PM

    Billons dollar business and games are controlled by amateurs

  40. hess97 says: Sep 22, 2013 11:16 PM

    the call in SF was way overblown. Matthews late hit and then punches to Joe Staley should have given the niners a first and goal.

    that, being said Leavy did give the Steelers a Lombardi and took one away from Holmgren, much like Boger and his crew f-ed up the last Super Bowl.

  41. chassej says: Sep 22, 2013 11:24 PM

    I don’t get it… didn’t the same thing basically happen in the Chicago V Steelers game? It was a score, ruled on the field no score… Chicago challenged… No flag, No penalty.

    I thought any “POTENTIAL” scoring play is reviewed by the booth, if the red flag is thrown then there its a penatly or if the team has a TO then they are charged…

    Play in the Vikings game was ruled down by contact, yet the true result was a fumble and a Touchdown… What’s a team to do if the refs call it otherwise and determine some 20 sec later AND after a challenge that it was a scoring play…

    Sounds like a BS rule to me that needs to be changed to give the favor back to the teams.

  42. deeppurple23 says: Sep 22, 2013 11:51 PM

    The officating has been poor this year, the Vikings lost this game and the one to the bears, but go back to the bears game and on the winning touchdown tell me how many revivers are one the line of scrimmage, and if it’s a legal formation. I holding penalty isn’t only valid if it affects the outcome of the play.

  43. urbusted2 says: Sep 23, 2013 12:26 AM

    If you didn’t notice, the Browns have a tough defense. Working on the offense. Go Browns!

  44. teamnorsecore says: Sep 23, 2013 12:54 AM

    veetan says:
    Sep 22, 2013 10:14 PM
    You know the old term, “We have met the enemy – an he is us”? I think about that when I see all the “tainted”-this team, and tainted-that team, in the online monikers of Vikings fans. Worse, they troll other teams’ pages with their incessant whining and ugly comments. Well, if there was ever a reason to use the term, “tainted” in association with an NFL team, “he is us”.

    Ever since Bud Grant retired, the entire organization has been a disgrace. To wit: the team’s on-field performance (consistent losing seasons), the disgraceful actions of the players (loveboat), the front office publicity stunt failures (the Farve fiasco), a bitter & excuse making fan base (represented by those who post on PFT), the current sad state of affairs, etc., etc., etc.

    All of this has resulted in a cumulative effect of this; the once formidable Vikings organization has become a stain on the entire National Football League. It’s a shame the Saints, the Packers, the Bears, or anybody else has to be associated with the Vikings. In that sense, I suppose other teams are indeed tainted….. by having to play in the same league as the Vikings.

    Perhaps the mascot should be slightly altered to the more appropriate, “Taintkings” instead of Vikings.
    ……………
    You sound like another sad Packer fan who has to come on here and talk crap because you are mad your team is 1-2 and not playing that well either. Are you so blind you don’t see the other screen names and other ignorant comments from fans of your team as well? Get a clue.

  45. truthserum4u says: Sep 23, 2013 1:11 AM

    gb4mn0 says: Sep 22, 2013 7:28 PM

    That’s all the cry baby purple toads need is another game to claim was stole from them….geeez! The losers are still whining about the 2010 NFCCC game. When it comes to a missed call going the biqueens way, the league should stay silent because who cares about the lavender Larrys anyway?

    —————————————–

    This coming from the fan base that not only still whines about the “facemask” during that same 2010 playoffs, but dwells on a playoff play made by Terrell Owens…when he was a 49er!!

    The hypackerisy continues!

  46. fmc651 says: Sep 23, 2013 6:05 AM

    Dear Rodger,

    Stop hiring walmart greeters. These guys are in the later 60’s trying to keep up with 20 something year old’s. That makes a lot of sense. Then you wonder why they aren’t in position and make the wrong calls

  47. fmc651 says: Sep 23, 2013 6:09 AM

    packer trolls are especially trollish after losing again today to the Bengals. Just proving again why most other NFL fans are right to dislike these idiots.

  48. browns627 says: Sep 23, 2013 6:26 AM

    hoyer the destroyer

  49. titansbro says: Sep 23, 2013 6:28 AM

    Good thing the replacement refs are gone huh? I mean, they were sooo terrible.

  50. bnn52 says: Sep 23, 2013 8:06 AM

    Minnesota can have Weeden

  51. filthymcnasty1 says: Sep 23, 2013 3:11 PM

    0-3.

    LOL

  52. theytukrjobs says: Sep 23, 2013 8:06 PM

    They also incorrectly refused to replay the play from the booth. While you can’t advance a muffed punt, the Browns player did grab the ball after he muffed it and possessed it for a very short period of time before it was again jarred loose. I don’t think it would have been overturned, because I think they need full possession for a fumble, but it was at least worth a look.

    What really hurt them is that it was 1st and 25 from the 41. Vikings gained over 20 yards on the ensuing 3 plays but still were short of a first down. Their odds would have been much better if the play were called correctly.

    But whatever they lost at home to a bad team and it shouldn’t have come down to one play like this.

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