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Pryor wants NFL to fine Woodyard, but Allen was OK with the hit

Danny Trevathan, Wesley Woodyard, Terrelle Pryor AP

Raiders quarterback Terrelle Pryor wants the NFL to crack down on the man who gave him a concussion.

Pryor said Broncos linebacker Wesley Woodyard hit him with an “illegal” shot, and the NFL should do something about it.

I think he should get fined, definitely,” Pryor said, via the Denver Post.

Not everyone agrees. In fact, even Raiders coach Dennis Allen said he was fine with the way Woodyard hit his quarterback.

I didn’t see anything wrong with the hit,” Allen said. “I mean it was in the tackle box, so we’ll see whether or not that’s the lining up of the player within the tackle box it’s really legal.”

The officials on the field obviously didn’t see anything wrong with the hit either because they didn’t throw a flag. But Pryor hopes the folks in the league office will feel differently.

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67 Responses to “Pryor wants NFL to fine Woodyard, but Allen was OK with the hit”
  1. qdog112 says: Sep 26, 2013 12:18 PM

    Pryor is absolutely 100% correct. Imagine a hit like that on Manning or Brady. The league would shut down.

  2. bcwildcat24 says: Sep 26, 2013 12:23 PM

    Maybe someone should explain to Mr. Pryor that when he leaves the pocket he’s lost the “QB protection” that the league gives him.

  3. broncobeta says: Sep 26, 2013 12:27 PM

    In Pryor’s tweet where he said he didn’t remember much, he said it was a good hit.

    I guess that’s not all he doesn’t remember.

  4. raiderlyfe510 says: Sep 26, 2013 12:35 PM

    Spear hit..helmet-to-helmet.

    So if that’s a legal hit these days. What is illegal?

  5. stoogy says: Sep 26, 2013 12:43 PM

    What does Mr.Goodell say about this hit? From what I understand of the rule it was a legal hit. Pryor needs to focus on the next game. Is he playing?

  6. raiderwise says: Sep 26, 2013 12:48 PM

    I didn’t have a problem with the hit either but you have to put it in the proper context of how games are being called today: if Peyton Manning had been hit (and knocked out) like that in the same game, every flag in the stadium would have hit the field and the linebacker would have been fined $50,000.

  7. stealthjunk says: Sep 26, 2013 12:55 PM

    The only fine that will be coming out of the game is on the Raiders DB that went helmet-to-helmet on a defenseless receiver (Demaryius Thomas) down the sideline on the 3 yard line. I have no idea how the refs missed that one, but would have setup another TD for Denver instead of a FG.

  8. paul82461 says: Sep 26, 2013 12:56 PM

    It was a helmet to helmet, fines would have been handed out if it was Manning or Brady.

  9. raiderlyfe510 says: Sep 26, 2013 12:58 PM

    I will say this. I think this is the first time I’ve seen a head coach not have his QB’s back.

    Reggie Mac, please hire Greg Roman next year. Appreciate it.

  10. dallascowboysdishingthereal says: Sep 26, 2013 1:02 PM

    In the photo it appears the Bronco defender came in helmet first and hit Pryor’s helmet. We have seen lee than that get fined before.

  11. somethingsmellsrotten says: Sep 26, 2013 1:02 PM

    We can only hope that MegaHead gets hit like that…then we’ll really see what happens.

    You know the NFL will levy a huge fine on the defender if that egomaniac ever gets hit like that.

  12. acanniv says: Sep 26, 2013 1:02 PM

    Lol. Raider fans and their persecution complexes never fail to amuse me.

  13. tmerca says: Sep 26, 2013 1:06 PM

    The hit was illegal because pryor had already been wrapped up by another defender, rendering him defenseless. Woodward saw this and took a cheap shot; you could tell by the fact that he he did the DX crop shot while celebrating the career threatning hit.

    If Woodward had been the first to hit him, then the hit would have been perfectly legal, but chances are, he wouldn’t have been able to square him up like he did.

  14. realtheprince says: Sep 26, 2013 1:07 PM

    qdog112 says:
    Sep 26, 2013 12:18 PM
    Pryor is absolutely 100% correct. Imagine a hit like that on Manning or Brady. The league would shut down.

    ——————————————–

    Neither Brady nor Mannng gonna run with the ball (like running backs) – they’ll just go dwon (allow sack)

  15. goldrush36 says: Sep 26, 2013 1:10 PM

    Kid is doin fairly well and gaining a lot of followers.. This type of stuff tends to change minds though. Especially after he himself said it was a good hit

  16. joetoronto says: Sep 26, 2013 1:12 PM

    We all know it was illegal hit, some of us just won’t admit it.

  17. doylemcmuffin says: Sep 26, 2013 1:12 PM

    To all of you saying “if it were Brady or Manning”…you’re obviously ignorant of the rules of football. When the QB leaves the pocket to run the ball but is still within the tackles; you can hit him like a running back. And guess what? that play was a designed run.

    That’s what happens when you try to be Tim Tebow; you get blasted.

  18. jbaxt says: Sep 26, 2013 1:12 PM

    Raiders crying about the safety of the 35th best QB in the league. Mans game whiners!

  19. raiderufan says: Sep 26, 2013 1:20 PM

    This is difficult but I think the over riding factor is that it would be a penalty 99% of the time.

    The tackle box is never defined. He was hit 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage, so it was open field. How deep is the tackle box? 2, 3, 10 yards? He was not at the line.

    And if you watch the play it’s very bang bang but he looks to have gotten to the edge of the box. The very edge but an edge should be established regardless of obvious or not.

    Also the line shifts down immediately and McFadden takes on the blitzer. If the box is defined as where it is once blocks commence he was WAY outside of it.

    Plus the tackler came in high and with his crown, to the jaw and didn’t bother to even consider wrapping up.

    I don’t know that I think a fine is in order, although less has been fined, but I think it should have been a penalty in game.

  20. mattyork1972 says: Sep 26, 2013 1:21 PM

    I can’t speak for everyone else but I for one am sick of hearing about who is getting fined for this or that. Its all people talk about this year. Frankly its getting alittle ridiculous. Wish reporters would stop sensationalizing every little thing. Can we just Play football alreay and stop being sissys about ever hit that takes place on the field of play. Its a mans game. Man up or go basket weave Nobody forces you to play if you can’t handle it

  21. forsbergler says: Sep 26, 2013 1:21 PM

    This was a beautiful hit. I’m glad the refs are starting to let these guys play alittle bit. They didn’t call a head to head hit against DT 88, and they didn’t throw a flag on this. Footballs is a mans game. It’s good to see the NFL pulling back the reins abit this year and football is starting to look like football again.

  22. somethingsmellsrotten says: Sep 26, 2013 1:23 PM

    Typical cheap shot Donkey.

  23. soforizo says: Sep 26, 2013 1:23 PM

    raiderwise: “if Peyton Manning had been hit (and knocked out) like that in the same game”

    Dude, Peyton Manning wouldn’t be foolish enough to try to run like that. IF Peyton got hit like that, it would’ve been in the pocket as a QB, with all the protection entitled to a QB playing as a QB; such a hit would THEN be worthy of a flag. If you try to be a runner, you’re should expect to be hit like one.

  24. furious76 says: Sep 26, 2013 1:25 PM

    Inside the tackles trying to run in for a TD, totally legal hit. If Pryor had run outside or was in the pocket it would have been illegal. They cannot extend the “lady brady” protection rules to QBs no matter what they are doing.

    Note to mobile QBs: If you run the ball, you’re an RB. If you’re inside the tackles, expect big hits.

  25. orangecrush808 says: Sep 26, 2013 1:28 PM

    Oh Terelle, just “forget” about it

  26. txraiders says: Sep 26, 2013 1:28 PM

    Isn’t coach rule #1 that you have your players back? Particularly in a case like this?

  27. randyschwimmer7 says: Sep 26, 2013 1:31 PM

    JIMMANY CHRISTMAS. He was a RUNNING BACK when he was in the middle of a QB DRAW. This is NOT AN ILLEGAL HIT PEOPLE. Look up the rules. Even if he had handed the ball off through a option draw, he is allowed to be hit like that. He was NOT defenseless, he just didn’t brace for impact because Woodyard came into the scene so quickly. Nothing more to see here. His head coach has it correct. END OF STORY.

  28. azarkhan says: Sep 26, 2013 1:33 PM

    People in hell want ice water. Get over yourself.

  29. atleastimnotaraidersfan says: Sep 26, 2013 1:36 PM

    You all have to excuse the raider fans on here. They’re not familiar with nfl rules as they haven’t been watching an nfl team for a decade or so…

  30. denbronx says: Sep 26, 2013 1:39 PM

    Raider fans think the whole NFL is against them every year. The refs flag us because Al tried to sue the NFL..blah blah blah. Just shut up already. Clearly Pryor was running the ball, clearly he was out of the pocket and Woody actually led with his shoulder and turned his head. Meaning Pryor got lit up with Woodyards shoulder pad, it wasnt helmet to helmet…so stop crying. And Manning or Brady wouldnt be so stupid to run it like Tebow….they know how to throw from the pocket. Your own damn Head Coach said it was legal. So drop the whole world is after us complex because your team is just that bad.

  31. r8dernation says: Sep 26, 2013 1:49 PM

    “The officials on the field obviously didn’t see anything wrong with the hit either because they didn’t throw a flag.”

    So now that’s justification? So that must apply when refs throw a flag becasue of something they think they saw, but didn’t really happen? Whether or not a ref throws or doesn’t throw a flag does not make it legal or illegal. Use your eyes, the guy dropped his head and lead with it.

    If that happens to a WR coming across the middle you would see 3 flags come flying into view on the tv screen.

  32. milehigh04 says: Sep 26, 2013 1:57 PM

    mattyork1972 says:
    Sep 26, 2013 1:21 PM
    I can’t speak for everyone else but I for one am sick of hearing about who is getting fined for this or that. Its all people talk about this year. Frankly its getting alittle ridiculous. Wish reporters would stop sensationalizing every little thing. Can we just Play football alreay and stop being sissys about ever hit that takes place on the field of play. Its a mans game. Man up or go basket weave Nobody forces you to play if you can’t handle it

    ——-

    I like this guy

  33. mkoogs says: Sep 26, 2013 2:01 PM

    I guess Pryor got tattooed by that hit.

  34. oakfolk says: Sep 26, 2013 2:04 PM

    Shut up already with the “QB protection” that he lost by running like a running back. If the running back, WR, whoever got hit like Pryor did, it’d still be an illegal helmet-to-helmet hit…has nothing to do with position. I’ve seen guys fined for much less. I admit when I saw it live, it looked legal…but by today’s NFL standards, that should have been a flag and Woodard should be fined. The picture above doesn’t lie. Helmet to helmet means exactly that – helmet to helmet. Moving on…

  35. raiderufan says: Sep 26, 2013 2:06 PM

    Can someone explain this complex everyone that’s not a Raider fan tells me I have?

    I’m not sure what I’m looking for in this case? To be 3 yards closer to the endzone down 3 td’s with minutes left? To see another man’s money taken when it has no affect on me or the team?

    Makes no sense. I’d say you guys have a Raiders complex. We can’t even discuss a hit when hit’s similar to this have been argued in cases for Vick, RGIII, Wilson and Kaep because we have some complex?

    Pathetic.

  36. oakfolk says: Sep 26, 2013 2:10 PM

    Also, Dennis Allen needs to learn how to back his players and Olson shouldn’t have called a play like that putting your ONLY offensive weapon at risk inside the 10…the endzone is an extra defender! Too much traffic.

  37. raiderwise says: Sep 26, 2013 2:17 PM

    soforizo says: “Dude, Peyton Manning wouldn’t be foolish enough to try to run like that. IF Peyton got hit like that, it would’ve been in the pocket as a QB, with all the protection entitled to a QB playing as a QB; such a hit would THEN be worthy of a flag. If you try to be a runner, you’re should expect to be hit like one.”

    First of all, Peyton Manning isn’t physically-gifted enough to run like that. He’s probably the least-mobile QB in the league.
    Second, helmet-to-helmet hits are illegal, especially on defenseless players, no matter where they happen on the field. Pryor had been wrapped up by another player and Woodyard came in late and gave him a cheap shot to the jaw, which rendered him unconscious. If you don’t agree, you should take another look at the picture at the top of this page. That kind of a hit is illegal. Period.

  38. stealthjunk says: Sep 26, 2013 2:29 PM

    @raiderwise: Not all helmet-to-helmet hits are illegal. Only those on defenseless players, but you are wrong that Pryor was “defenseless” under the rules.

    The NFL defines 8 categories of “defenseless” players. The only category applicable here is when “A runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped.” Watch the video — while Pryor may have been in the grasp, his forward progress clearly had not been stopped as he absolutely still moving forward and no whistle had been blown. Thus, it was a legal hit. Deal with it and move on instead of spouting off more misinformation.

  39. dbfan4ever says: Sep 26, 2013 2:42 PM

    “Spear hit..helmet-to-helmet.

    So if that’s a legal hit these days. What is illegal?”

    I love whenever there is a big hit it is “automatically” helmet to helmet. Woodyard led with his shoulder and didn’t hit helmet to helmet. It was a clean hit any way you slice it. The league will not fine Woodyard simply because the result of the play was a concussion. Put Pryor in a number 20 jersey and line him up behind the qb and you will not hear anyone chirping about an illegal hit.

  40. stealthjunk says: Sep 26, 2013 2:45 PM

    Here is the definition of a “defenseless player” courtesy of the NFL’s 2012 Rule Book:

    Article 7: Players in a Defenseless Posture. It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.

    (a) Players in a defenseless posture are:

    (1) A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass;
    (2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;
    (3) A runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped;
    (4) A kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air;
    (5) A player on the ground;
    (6) A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return;
    (7) A quarterback at any time after a change of possession;
    (8) A player who receives a “blindside” block when the blocker is moving toward or parallel to his own end line and approaches the opponent from behind or from the side; and
    (9) A player who is protect from an illegal crackback block (see Article 2).

  41. poormanspoison says: Sep 26, 2013 2:49 PM

    man you gotta hand it to the raiders fans.. one win and they think they are meaningful again… sorry girls your team still sucks…. Broncos all day… #Raiderstagnation

  42. bcwildcat24 says: Sep 26, 2013 2:50 PM

    oakfolk: Look up the rules. Only helmet to helmet hits on defenseless receivers are illegal. Hence, legal hit. Nice try though.

  43. hwkeycubronco says: Sep 26, 2013 2:56 PM

    Let’s fine every player for a photo that shows something bad! Remember this game is played by big, fast, athletic men. If Pryor doesn’t want to get hit he better stay in the pocket. Guy has two defenders trying to tackle him anyway how can they be sure where his poor head will be when he tucks it like any football player does when being hit.

  44. cospgsmadman says: Sep 26, 2013 3:04 PM

    I don’t get all this hubbub. It was a clean hit.

  45. randyschwimmer7 says: Sep 26, 2013 3:07 PM

    Another thing to add, a horse-collar tackle is also LEGAL while in the pocket. With the age of the read option QB’s, these “mobile” QB’s need to learn how to take a hit and realize that helmet to helmet happens ALLLLLLLL time when the running is not in a defenseless position. Think about all the running plays. A running back smashes helmets with other players all the time and it is NOT a penalty. So get the “helmet to helmet” garbage out of here and learn the rule before you try and make yourself look smarter than anyone else.

  46. hooterdawg says: Sep 26, 2013 3:11 PM

    Pryor didn’t want to come out of the game because he knows what most of us don’t: Flynn is a pretty good QB . He led the Raiders on a scoring drive cold off the bench. Some may say it was garbage time, but he had some serious mustard on his throws into tight coverage.

  47. mogogo1 says: Sep 26, 2013 3:13 PM

    NFL is killing itself with all these new rules. Players don’t even understand them all, nor do the refs. Put the clips together and nobody would get a 100% on what was legal and not. Every week there is endless debate over who is or isn’t going to get fined.

  48. birthtae says: Sep 26, 2013 3:17 PM

    Because Woodyard didn’t try to pull Pryor’s flag and instead tackled him, yes it is illegal.

  49. dansamba60 says: Sep 26, 2013 3:19 PM

    Anyone who says it wasn’t a helmet to helmet hit is either blind, or an idiot that doesn’t know what a helmet is, or a RaiderHater fool!

  50. espnfeedback says: Sep 26, 2013 3:37 PM

    nfl qb rules:
    *separate but equal*

  51. raiderapologist says: Sep 26, 2013 3:50 PM

    jbaxt says: Sep 26, 2013 1:12 PM

    Raiders crying about the safety of the 35th best QB in the league. Mans game whiners!
    ———–
    PFF has him ranked #11, slightly ahead of #29 Alex D. Smith. Pryor has a long way to go before the refs start going out of their way to protect him, and if he whines about it publicly he’s not helping himself.

  52. rcali says: Sep 26, 2013 4:02 PM

    Pryor continues to believe the world owes him something.

  53. dasmol says: Sep 26, 2013 4:21 PM

    Quit yer snivelin’!

  54. raideralex99 says: Sep 26, 2013 4:46 PM

    Seriously is a helmet to helmet a fine or not?
    If that was James Harrison hitting Pryor he would have been suspended.
    Special rules for the Broncos? After all it took 2 years to finally suspend Von Miller.

  55. radrntn says: Sep 26, 2013 4:54 PM

    I like that Allen does not have a problem with it…..I have a problem that on 2nd and goal you call a running play for TP behind Mike Brisiel, who cant block or move anybody. He let his QB get whacked…..the day we shipped Gregg”make me want to take a ” Knapp out of town, we should have put his recruit Brisiel on the same boat. Next time give the ball to DMC, or Jennings down there near the goal line.

    Bottom line stupid play call, behind the worse player on the o-line.

  56. realdealsteel says: Sep 26, 2013 4:57 PM

    This is football Terrell. In football you get hit; especially when you take off running. Stop complaining about being hit. You sound like a little girl.

  57. johninthewest says: Sep 26, 2013 5:05 PM

    I watched the hit 5 times. Nothing illegal here

  58. stlluna7 says: Sep 26, 2013 5:38 PM

    Who really cares what he feels. He hasn’t been around long enough to start making demands or suggestions. He is a mediocre QB who was ballasted by a news media who wants the next Doug Williams or Warren Moon. Both of those were among the greatest of all QBs.

  59. pigskinaholic says: Sep 26, 2013 5:39 PM

    Furor Goodell will take care of the fines.

  60. agent7x6 says: Sep 26, 2013 5:52 PM

    In the picture at the top of this article, it appears that Woodyard hits Pryor on the chin with the crown of his helmet. That’s illegal everywhere on the field.

  61. pigskinaholic says: Sep 26, 2013 5:59 PM

    It’s sad that football has now come to where everyone is sitting back analyzing pictures and video to be like “their helmets touched… FINE OR SUSPEND THAT GUY OMG”

  62. Nickstixx says: Sep 26, 2013 6:11 PM

    My man @randyschwimmer7 taking all of you to school on here!
    Tackles like that happen all the time to a player RUNNING the football, just as Pryor was. Woodyard did NOT target him with the crown of his helmet or use it as a “weapon” so just get over it!
    Pryor ran it, he loses all of his QB protective shields in the rule book when he does that.
    I love that Dennis Allen can even tell it wasn’t an illegal hit. lol

  63. oldcracker says: Sep 26, 2013 6:14 PM

    Welcome to the NFL, Terrell. You just got tatooed, Bronco style!

  64. evlonzo272 says: Sep 26, 2013 6:20 PM

    the play he got hit on was a qb draw. he became a runner and paid the price for it. no fine

  65. zeddicuszorander says: Sep 26, 2013 7:35 PM

    LOL @ Raider fans….

  66. ekny729 says: Sep 27, 2013 11:56 AM

    Manning or Brady wouldn’t be dumb enough to take a hit like that!!!

  67. aaace1966 says: Sep 27, 2013 5:39 PM

    Smart QBs don’t run now do they? Inexperience is what you see there. It shortens careers exponentially. When you watch all the greats, even when they are at that point of last resorts, they gracefully go to the turf. Brains over body any day. Pryor made himself an open target. Just because he is a quarterback doesn’t exempt him when he chooses to run. You cant do that. Hit the ground!

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