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Vikings get first win, drop Steelers to 0-4

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Both of the teams the NFL sent to London are bad. But only the Steelers are returning home winless.

The Vikings, led by backup quarterback Matt Cassel, jumped out to an early lead and managed to hold on and win 34-27. Minnesota’s defense sealed the win with a sack of Ben Roethlisberger in the red zone with eight seconds remaining, after Pittsburgh’s offense had marched down the field and appeared poised to send the game into overtime.

(That game-sealing sack of Roethlisberger was not a horse-collar tackle because hits on quarterbacks in the pocket are exempt from horse-collar rules — an exemption the Steelers tried unsuccessfully to have removed.)

The win was Minnesota’s first of the season, improving their record to 1-3. Pittsburgh falls to 0-4.

For the Vikings, the big story going forward will be whether they have a new starting quarterback. Cassel only started today because Ponder was hurt, but Ponder may have played well enough to keep the job even if Ponder is healthy.

For the Steelers, the big story going forward is whether this team is capable of doing anything. The Steelers look like one of the worst teams in the NFL.

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189 Responses to “Vikings get first win, drop Steelers to 0-4”
  1. citizenstrange says: Sep 29, 2013 4:11 PM

    Big Suck does it again.

  2. 50brady23moss says: Sep 29, 2013 4:13 PM

    Really happy for Cassel. I knew running lanes would open up for AP if he got the ball down field a couple of times.

  3. veence69 says: Sep 29, 2013 4:14 PM

    Steeler Nation is getting quieter and quieter every week.

  4. wearethesteelers says: Sep 29, 2013 4:14 PM

    Look, the Steelers are going to get it together; that’s guaranteed. This is a team that finishes, not starts. Pittsburgh: City of Champions.

  5. 1mommicked1 says: Sep 29, 2013 4:15 PM

    wake me from the terrible nightmare that is the 2013-2014 season

  6. thepftpoet says: Sep 29, 2013 4:15 PM

    So much for the steelers overcoming “adversity”

    LOL

  7. mnmarine0351 says: Sep 29, 2013 4:15 PM

    Cassel was ok but not much better than Ponder. D almost gave the game away again. Glad to get a W.

  8. quittsburghstoolers says: Sep 29, 2013 4:16 PM

    What a crushing loss!

    And they have a bye week next week so the pain of this crushing last second defeat will linger & fester even more.

    “There You Go, Steelers There You Go!”

    lol!

  9. realitycheckbaby says: Sep 29, 2013 4:16 PM

    Pittsburgh: City of Chumps

  10. steeldominance says: Sep 29, 2013 4:16 PM

    The Steelers dont “look” like one of the worst teams in the NFL, they without a doubt are the worst team in the NFL. Fire Colbert, Tomin and Haley now!!! Glad I didnt buy tickets this year. I definitely wont buy them next year with the a$$wholes running this team in the ground.

  11. joemammy says: Sep 29, 2013 4:17 PM

    But…but…but…we have SIX RINGS!!!

    LOL @ Steelers fans…..

  12. realitycheckbaby says: Sep 29, 2013 4:17 PM

    Karma – cheating franchise with questionable character (to say the least).

  13. thepftpoet says: Sep 29, 2013 4:17 PM

    Let’s do the math:

    So the Bengals who beat the Packers last week lost to the Browns this week

    The Vikings barely lost to the Browns last week

    Vikings > Packers

    Oh yeah, we also have as many wins as you do

  14. doctorrustbelt says: Sep 29, 2013 4:17 PM

    Yeah… finishes like when the Bengals DESTROYED the steelers for the last playoff spot in Week 16 of 2012.

    THE BUBBY BRISTER ERA HAS RETURNED.

  15. jmblosser82 says: Sep 29, 2013 4:18 PM

    With bad blocking and horrible running Ben us the only thing going for the offense. If the defense would’ve held strong they could’ve gotten a win.

  16. pacificnw7722 says: Sep 29, 2013 4:18 PM

    If your team can’t stop Cassel time to hang up your cleats. LOL!!!

  17. canadianvikingfaniii says: Sep 29, 2013 4:19 PM

    Glad to see the Defence finally didn’t let us down, though it was definitely a nail biter those final 3 minutes. Good game though.

    Suspect coaching again, but glad to see Cassel do well. They better keep him as starter for the next game, so nice to see quick high velocity throws, accurate ones at that. Hadn’t seen a lot of those kinds of throws and catches since Brett Favre.

  18. peytonwantsaflag says: Sep 29, 2013 4:19 PM

    Hey, wear the steelers, you’re 0-4 and two games behind THREE teams in your division. Good luck with that finishing.

  19. apooster says: Sep 29, 2013 4:20 PM

    Ponder was hurt, but Ponder may have played well enough to keep the job even if Ponder is healthy.

    Missing a Cassell there.

    Real story is the Vikings D. They are the main reason this team is 1-3 vs possibly 4-0 or 3-1.

  20. jimthebuilder27 says: Sep 29, 2013 4:21 PM

    Steelers just can’t get it together. They are a team falling apart!

    Time to fire Tomlin! He won Super Bowl 43 with Cowher’s team and has run them into the ground. Time for some new blood, he’s very overrated!

  21. ottawabrave91 says: Sep 29, 2013 4:21 PM

    as a chiefs fan I can vouch for cassel by saying he is a GREAT back up quarterback

  22. Robert Chandler says: Sep 29, 2013 4:21 PM

    “Cassel only started today because Ponder was hurt, but Ponder may have played well enough to keep the job even if Ponder is healthy.”

    Worst overuse/misuse of the word “Ponder” ever.

  23. mackcarrington says: Sep 29, 2013 4:21 PM

    Well, they have six rings. At least they have that going for them.

  24. wolfmanpatriot says: Sep 29, 2013 4:21 PM

    Yeah. I would say they are about finished. They just lost to a winless team with a backup QB.

  25. brentswitzer says: Sep 29, 2013 4:21 PM

    The Vikings still suck

  26. pooflingingmonkey says: Sep 29, 2013 4:24 PM

    With the first pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers select…

  27. brentswitzer says: Sep 29, 2013 4:25 PM

    **Insert your bias Minnesota “is the best” Quote Here**

  28. Deb says: Sep 29, 2013 4:25 PM

    Both of the teams the NFL sent to London are bad. But only the Steelers are returning home winless.

    Funny … I thought the Steelers made the Vikings look formidable.

    Was I the only Steelers’ fan who felt a glimmer of hope when for a nanosecond it looked as though Gradkowski might come into the game?

    Congrats to the Vikes on a well-earned win.

  29. thepvyharvin says: Sep 29, 2013 4:28 PM

    Pitt, like the Packers, always scream about their past chumpionships when they suck. The Vikings are moving up. Maybe the Packers and Steelers can have a powder puff playoff and leave football to the big boys…

  30. patsbrat says: Sep 29, 2013 4:28 PM

    steeldominance says: Sep 29, 2013 4:16 PM

    The Steelers dont “look” like one of the worst teams in the NFL, they without a doubt are the worst team in the NFL. Fire Colbert, Tomin and Haley now!!! Glad I didnt buy tickets this year. I definitely wont buy them next year with the a$$wholes running this team in the ground.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Tomlin is a keeper. Haley has got to go.

  31. jaykray says: Sep 29, 2013 4:30 PM

    “Cassel only started today because Ponder was hurt, but Ponder may have played well enough to keep the job even if Ponder is healthy.”

    Uhhh, what?

  32. keltictim says: Sep 29, 2013 4:32 PM

    Ah parity. The patriots are the only team that seems to be immune to it. Yes they have had down years, but down years for the pats are going out in the first round not going 0-4.

  33. jaykray says: Sep 29, 2013 4:33 PM

    Also, say what you will about Cassel, he commands the offense better the Ponder and looks more decisive than Ponder.

    I dont care if we have a new QB all together next year, just keep Cassel in the rest of the season, at least we will be in the running to win a game or two.

    #leadership

  34. deltaoracle says: Sep 29, 2013 4:37 PM

    Sister Christian
    What you lookin’ for?
    You know the boys don’t want to play no more
    with you,
    it’s true.

  35. agc99 says: Sep 29, 2013 4:37 PM

    Tomlin was winning with Cowhers players and now that they are old he can’t win with his own. He wanted Worldis and Colbert wanted Sean Lee. There’s a big differnce in talent. He also wanted Ziggy Hood, Cam Heyward and Marcus Gilbert all high picks that no other team would have picked before the 5th round. It’s going to be ugly but if the house gets cleaned it will be worth taking an 0-16 season.

  36. jimbo75025 says: Sep 29, 2013 4:38 PM

    Not a Steelers fan, butI have never really been sold on Tomlin as a coach. He won a Super Bowl, but that was done mostly with Cowhers team and just seems like as those players left or retired, they have not been adequately replaced.

  37. runtheball says: Sep 29, 2013 4:39 PM

    How many times can a team shoot themselves in the foot? I would love to see what Roethlisberger could do with an o-line. Under duress he completes 70% of his passes and 4 of the incompletions were spikes.

  38. Joemontanaflacco says: Sep 29, 2013 4:39 PM

    Don’t even bother getting on that plane. Humiliated on national tv on Sunday, humiliated on national tv on Monday. Humiliated in Europe! Humiliated on two continents! Humiliated worldwide! Hahahahahaha!

  39. buzzbeaubank says: Sep 29, 2013 4:42 PM

    What ever happened to jtbsteeler?

  40. mediasloppy says: Sep 29, 2013 4:43 PM

    mnmarine0351 says:
    Sep 29, 2013 4:15 PM

    Cassel was ok but not much better than Ponder. D almost gave the game away again. Glad to get a W.
    ——————-
    I’m not about to crown Cassel. What I see mostly is how much more arm strength he has compared to Ponder and better decision making. However, Cassel does have the benefit of being a vet in that respect.

    Glad for the win too.

  41. GenXJay says: Sep 29, 2013 4:43 PM

    Vikings will take the win. But their 2nd half play on defense is the same. Granted secondary def. players out with injuries.

  42. jamson64 says: Sep 29, 2013 4:43 PM

    The jealous ones are slobbering….just waiting for the day….they can have the history of the Steelers.

  43. tutamus says: Sep 29, 2013 4:44 PM

    thepftpoet says:
    Sep 29, 2013 4:17 PM
    Let’s do the math:

    —————————————-

    You use that word math… but I don’t think you really know what it means.

  44. obsessedvikingfan says: Sep 29, 2013 4:46 PM

    The last play wasn’t a horse collar because of that and because he let go of the shoulder pad and wrapped him up before bringing him down.

  45. hashtagfaith says: Sep 29, 2013 4:46 PM

    @wearethesteelers How do you finish if you don’t start? Skol Vikes! Fraiser will end up losing his job if he goes back to Ponder like he says he will when he’s healthy.

  46. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Sep 29, 2013 4:48 PM

    It will be fun to look back at this game on draft day and see that this win cost you a shot at a franchise QB…

  47. allday420ap says: Sep 29, 2013 4:50 PM

    Great caption to the picture above.

  48. packersarethebest says: Sep 29, 2013 4:54 PM

    Wow – the football Gods must really have it in for the Rooneys/Maras clans!

  49. andyreidisabeachedwalrus says: Sep 29, 2013 4:55 PM

    The Steelers & Giants are giving Jacksonville a serous run for there money for the title of worst team in the league.

  50. bigbenownsthenfl says: Sep 29, 2013 4:56 PM

    I didn’t think the steelers were capable of being this bad when the season began. but damned if my eyes haven’t been opened. defense is terrible, o line is a shambles and ben stop being ben when he got this wife and baby thing… lets just face the facts. 4-12 season is not only a possibility its a probability. mike adams is quite possibly the worst tackle I have seen ever. Colbert and tomlin have missed on draft picks for several years now. and this is the product of that. they need to get rid of Colbert. his time has passed. well at least we have the pirates! now who on earth would of imagined that statement in October!

  51. upinmysteamertrunk says: Sep 29, 2013 4:56 PM

    The Steelers were due for a down year. While I didn’t think it would be this bad (0-4), it was bound to happen sooner than later. The schedule is pretty rough the rest of the way, but a top 10 pick is going to help them moving forward.

  52. peytonshead says: Sep 29, 2013 4:59 PM

    Minnesota would be 4-0 had Ponder broken his ribs before week 1.

  53. GenXJay says: Sep 29, 2013 5:00 PM

    Carl Gerbs,
    Yeah, because ShAaron was a top 5 pick.

  54. taintedsaints2009 says: Sep 29, 2013 5:04 PM

    The ponder era ended today. Cassel was good enough to move the offense far more effectively. Vikings were throwing on first down…stop the presses.

  55. haassauce21 says: Sep 29, 2013 5:05 PM

    Yes, Cassel played much better than Ponder would have but the defense almost blew our lead. Gave up that many points.

  56. Chase says: Sep 29, 2013 5:06 PM

    All the steeler hate is funny to me. Every team has some down years. I guess it’s the steelers turn. All the hate must be because it’s not common for the steelers to be this bad. People love when the historically good teams have a down year (Yankees, Lakers, etc). But they’ll be back…just not this season…

  57. realitycheckbaby says: Sep 29, 2013 5:08 PM

    Look Pittsburgh, you have an overweight, undisciplined QB who has been allowed to stay overweight and undisciplined.

    What’s the lesson?

    Your bankrupt organization and their cheating is coming home to roost.

    Your football team will go the way of your baseball team.

    One playoff appearance over the next few decades.

  58. All-American Voltron says: Sep 29, 2013 5:08 PM

    if Christian Ponder played, the Steelers would’ve won, bottom line. Matt Cassel is the guy until the 2014 draft, no matter how the Vikings finish, but Ponder is done.

  59. axespray says: Sep 29, 2013 5:15 PM

    steelers…lol

  60. bigbenownsthenfl says: Sep 29, 2013 5:16 PM

    meanwhile joemontanaflacco posts on here but flacco gave up 5 interceptions and the ravens lost to the buffalo bills. I didn’t think the team that just won the super bowl last year and has just given the QB a 100 million dollar contract was supposed to do that?!! oh well..lets lay that dumb lil ratbird chant out there…”in ozzie we trust!” I don’t care who wins the super bowl as long as it isn’t the ratbirds. and im quite positive it wont be! they are in shambles. but that never stop joemontanaflacco from steeler threads. I think its funny to be obsessed with a team you hate so much!!!

  61. vavikingfan says: Sep 29, 2013 5:17 PM

    Cassel may or may not be the answer, but it seemed like the team played with more fire today. He got rid of the ball quickly and was generally on target. We can only hope that Leslie has the good sense not to use Ponder again.

  62. golforepar says: Sep 29, 2013 5:20 PM

    If only the queens could play winless teams every week!

  63. igocommando says: Sep 29, 2013 5:21 PM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says: Sep 29, 2013 4:48 PM

    It will be fun to look back at this game on draft day and see that this win cost you a shot at a franchise QB…
    ——————–
    Wow! Only 3 games into the season and Packer fans are already looking forward to next years draft.

  64. kenshalek says: Sep 29, 2013 5:22 PM

    Can the “Ponder Experiment” be over now?…….

  65. tedmurph says: Sep 29, 2013 5:23 PM

    Joemontanaflacco says:Sep 29, 2013 4:39 PM

    Don’t even bother getting on that plane. Humiliated on national tv on Sunday, humiliated on national tv on Monday. Humiliated in Europe! Humiliated on two continents! Humiliated worldwide! Hahahahahaha!

    ———————————————————
    What the heck are you laughing at? Your team lost to the Bills! Your 120 mil dollar QB completed 50% of his passes and threw 5 picks! Your 40 mil dollar RB ran for 17 yrds. The only reason the .500 Ravens are hanging around is the mediocre div. With Hoyer, the Browns may be the best team. Laugh it up.

  66. pzkslc says: Sep 29, 2013 5:24 PM

    Steeler Nation ;
    ” We got Six !!!!”
    …………even though we’re Oh and Six!!! “

  67. Nofoolnodrool says: Sep 29, 2013 5:29 PM

    Joemontanaflacco says:
    Sep 29, 2013 4:39 PM
    Don’t even bother getting on that plane. Humiliated on national tv on Sunday, humiliated on national tv on Monday. Humiliated in Europe! Humiliated on two continents! Humiliated worldwide! Hahahahahaha!

    8 5 Skippy your chumps couldn’t beat the Bills and you are talking trash……..any doubt of your troll status has been eliminated. Your envy is only surpassed by your hatred….your mom must be proud of your stellar qualities.

  68. halbert53 says: Sep 29, 2013 5:34 PM

    Steelers vs Giants would make a great Ugly Game of the Week matchup.

  69. steelersfanfromtheseventies says: Sep 29, 2013 5:34 PM

    WOW is about all i can say about this.

  70. pack13queens0 says: Sep 29, 2013 5:35 PM

    Looks like the NFL is going to have to apologize to the Steelers for missing that horse collar tackle on the strip sack. But considering Roger Goodell worships the Vikings that probably won’t happen.

  71. tedmurph says: Sep 29, 2013 5:36 PM

    Chase says:Sep 29, 2013 5:06 PM

    All the steeler hate is funny to me. Every team has some down years.
    ———————————————————
    Of course teams go thru cycles, even the best organizations. IMO the hate isn’t for the Steelers, it’s for their delusional fans. They think(a large % of them) all their players are ‘beasts’, heading for the Pro Bowl. After a loss it’s never about the other team being better that day. It’s the refs, or injuries, or bad luck etc., but they were really the better team. The front office can do no wrong, they’re the best in the biz. Next man up, we’ll just draft someone, no problem. It’s a privilege to play for the holy black and gold.

  72. lordfletcher says: Sep 29, 2013 5:40 PM

    for posters blaming the Vikes D, I get it but you need to understand the QB play is playing a HUGE part in how well the D will hold up…

    ponder can’t drive the ball downfield, relies on short plays and AP / AD.

    Cassel plays in his first game with the Vikes and AP has a great game, there were several big plays and the defense looked fresher than usual d/t the Vikes winning the field position battle.

    If Cassel started the season, the Vikes would be at worst 3-1. Not saying they are a great team, but they have enough pieces to win more than they would lose (without Ponder). its a shame our coaching staff or front office forced Ponder to start because it clearly wasn’t in this teams best interest. Someone or several folks need to lose their job over costing this organization an entire season and now what appears to be a 6-10 season, maybe 8-8 if they dominate the rest of the divisional games.

    I just pray they draft a QB in the first or second round and let him sit one year behind Cassel and get accustomed to the pro game. Tajh Boyd / Johnny Football or David Fales would be a nice addition. Also need to address CB. DE / DT. in the first 3 round

  73. Nofoolnodrool says: Sep 29, 2013 5:41 PM

    tedmurph says:
    Sep 29, 2013 5:23 PM
    Joemontanaflacco says:Sep 29, 2013 4:39 PM

    Don’t even bother getting on that plane. Humiliated on national tv on Sunday, humiliated on national tv on Monday. Humiliated in Europe! Humiliated on two continents! Humiliated worldwide! Hahahahahaha!

    ———————————————————
    What the heck are you laughing at? Your team lost to the Bills! Your 120 mil dollar QB completed 50% of his passes and threw 5 picks! Your 40 mil dollar RB ran for 17 yrds. The only reason the .500 Ravens are hanging around is the mediocre div. With Hoyer, the Browns may be the best team. Laugh it up.

    3 0 Don’t agree often with you Ted, but you are spot on. He is the pride of a Baltimore fandom and you expect maturity? I know the steelers are bad and will be for several years, but my day was good watching Flacco stink it up.

  74. Deb says: Sep 29, 2013 5:42 PM

    @tedmurph …

    BOOM! Your post to JoeMontanaFlacco was a fine piece of work. Thank you :)

    @bigbenownsthenfl …

    You think we can go 4-12? Right now that seems optimistic. We have individuals who are playing brilliantly. Unfortunately, they’re outnumbered. Ben’s wife and child don’t have anything to do with his poor playing. He owes that to lack of discipline and poor preparation, the belief that he’ll spin away and magically “make” something happen. He’s held this philosophy since long before he entered domestic bliss. What’s changed is that he’s gotten older and slower–and the defense is no longer bailing him out. As Phil Sims said, Haley’s offense gives him plenty of opportunities to succeed. Ben just doesn’t take advantage of them.

  75. fordmandalay says: Sep 29, 2013 5:43 PM

    Mike Tomlin – new coach at USC?

  76. holeinone09 says: Sep 29, 2013 5:50 PM

    Mike Adams is a complete BUST. I am not sure he made one block today. He is absolutely horrible. Unfortunately Ben makes 2 mistakes that were painful in an otherwise nice performance. Defense played a very bad game and gave up too many points. The best thing going for Steeler fans is that the rest of our division is not much better. Pretty funny to see Ravens and Bengals fans giggling here when they both suffered their own humiliating losses today. Misery loves company!

  77. bballnut50 says: Sep 29, 2013 5:51 PM

    pack13queens0- You are wrong again like all packer pukes…horse collar tackles legal when QB is in the pocket!!-SKOL!! BTW-more purple in London vs Black & Gold!!

  78. lks311 says: Sep 29, 2013 5:54 PM

    I grew up as a fan of the Sterlers and I really like Mike Tomlin, but, arrogant Steeler fans have turned my stomach. I hope you lose’em all.

  79. recall10 says: Sep 29, 2013 5:59 PM

    Crash does it again. Throw a pick again and another fumble. This guys holds the ball “SO LONG “that it’s no wonder he sack 3 times a game. He stubborn and won’t adjust to normal throws to the opening man but, instead he always wants ESPN Highlight Films every Sunday. Mr. Ego needs a time out.

  80. fillmyjigger says: Sep 29, 2013 6:02 PM

    “but Ponder may have played well enough to keep the job even if Ponder is healthy.”

    Now that’s a little unfair. Cassel played well enough to separate himself from Ponder today. Ponder Plus would be more appropriate.

  81. mikemccarthyhof says: Sep 29, 2013 6:03 PM

    Ugh. Easy rigged win for Vikings. Good job beating a 0-4 team you idots

  82. crownofthehelmet says: Sep 29, 2013 6:05 PM

    Well at least we didn’t throw 5 picks. Or score only 6 points for the whole game. Even at 0-4, Steelers are still the class of the division.

  83. bengalguy says: Sep 29, 2013 6:08 PM

    I just watched Tomlin’s postgame press conference……lol, it looked like his eyes were gonna pop out of his head he was so mad. Lol, someone needs a nap. Might wanna put his house on the market, won’t be long now!

  84. teamnorsecore says: Sep 29, 2013 6:11 PM

    Good, hard fought game Steelers fans. Entertaining, right up to the end. Big Ben is the BEST QB in the league at extending plays and being elusive in the pocket. I just don’t know what happened to that Steeler O-Line? I know Pouncy is down, but man…..if Ben wasn’t so elusive, there could have been 10 sacks of him today. Vikes defense almost gave it away again…….I think that Secondary (Along with QB of course) is the biggest issue on the Vikes team moving forward. No top flight QB available in the 2014 draft……they better take a Corner.

  85. teamnorsecore says: Sep 29, 2013 6:13 PM

    mikemccarthyhof says:
    Sep 29, 2013 6:03 PM
    Ugh. Easy rigged win for Vikings. Good job beating a 0-4 team you idots
    …………
    No Cheese to cheer for today so time to put down a case of Millwaukee’s Best and troll the Vikings’ threads eh? Why am I not surprised?

  86. andrederay says: Sep 29, 2013 6:14 PM

    Everybody that keeps saying Tomlin won the Super Bowl with Cowhers team are a bunch of CHUMPS who know nothing about football. It’s not all on the coaching. Execution was the main reason why the Steelers lost today. Secondary gave up to many big plays and the linebackers did not do well getting off their blocks and hitting the gaps. The offense looked better with Bell and the O-line did better protection in the second half, but there were times where Ben should have gotten rid of the ball sooner. Overall this team is mediocre but are getting better each week. And for the Chumps living in the past, JUST STAY THERE! Obviously your life is just as bad as the Steelers record, the only difference is that the record will get better.

  87. filthymcnasty1 says: Sep 29, 2013 6:15 PM

    Congratulations hapless and tasteless Viking fans!

    You finally got your first win of the season, and it’s not even October yet.

  88. Deb says: Sep 29, 2013 6:25 PM

    @lks311 …

    Do you see any Steelers fans being arrogant here? (“wearethesteelers” isn’t a Steelers fan.) I see a lot of our fans being realistic about our team’s shortcomings. We’re here, as always after a loss, congratulating our opponents on their win. Other Steelers fans are congratulating the Browns on their recent good fortune.

    If you were ever a Steelers fan, which I doubt, you probably jumped ship in the 80s or some other time when we were losing and there was a more attractive bandwagon rolling by. That’s fine. We don’t need fairweather fans. We may criticize our team’s screwups, but we’ll stay with the Steelers, win or lose. Enjoy the Broncos, the Seahawks … or whatever team you’re supporting this week.

  89. truthserum4u says: Sep 29, 2013 6:26 PM

    pack13queens0 says: Sep 29, 2013 5:35 PM

    Looks like the NFL is going to have to apologize to the Steelers for missing that horse collar tackle on the strip sack. But considering Roger Goodell worships the Vikings that probably won’t happen.

    ————————————–

    Another Packers fan who doesn’t understand the rules. Much like the misconception of the non-facemask against the Cardinals in the playoffs.

    Even if they didn’t have the QB in the pocket part of the equation, it still wasn’t a horse collar penalty because Griffen didn’t tackle him by the horse collar. A player must take the ball carrier down to the ground by means of a horse collar in order for it to be a penalty. Griffen grabbed Big Ben by the back of the shoulder pads to bring him closer and then wrapped his arms around him to tackle him and cause the fumble.

  90. teamnorsecore says: Sep 29, 2013 6:27 PM

    filthymcnasty1 says:
    Sep 29, 2013 6:15 PM
    Congratulations hapless and tasteless Viking fans!

    You finally got your first win of the season, and it’s not even October yet.
    …………..
    Same amount of wins as the boring and arrogant Packers!!!

  91. filthymcnasty1 says: Sep 29, 2013 6:32 PM

    Now we know why Viking management emphatically refused to have an open QB competition. The wrong guy would have won.

  92. harbingeroftruth says: Sep 29, 2013 6:34 PM

    Yet another Black and Gold gift wrapped turd. Peterson was held to 88 yards on 25 attempts (3.5 ypc) last week vs the Browns. This week Peterson only needed 23 attempts to get 140 yards (6.08 ypc) vs the Steelers. Way to go. The only thing that Steelers are going to compete for is the 2014 fist overall draft pick.

  93. jjsteelerfan says: Sep 29, 2013 6:37 PM

    What everyone has not noticed is that the steelers lost to two NFC teams. The Bengals and titans, even though they are 0-4 they are not eliminated from playoff contention. The first quarter of football sucked but with all the injuries right off the bat, they did good. You can see them becoming a cohesive team and the offense exhibiting themselves to he an explosive one. We will see where everyone is at after week 12! Hold tight it’s going to be a wild ride!

  94. filthymcnasty1 says: Sep 29, 2013 6:38 PM

    ESPN just reported that the Viking players really enjoyed their time in London, and especially appreciated having a knowledgeable home crowd for once in their careers.

  95. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Sep 29, 2013 6:39 PM

    Hey genxjay,

    Can you name the 2 players the Vikes took instead of Aaron? Cuz, I can.

  96. vikingfan1971 says: Sep 29, 2013 6:42 PM

    way to go felton and adrian

  97. teamnorsecore says: Sep 29, 2013 6:46 PM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Sep 29, 2013 6:39 PM
    Hey genxjay,

    Can you name the 2 players the Vikes took instead of Aaron? Cuz, I can.
    ………….
    Hey Carl….your favorite squad has 1 win as well……

  98. anarchopurplism says: Sep 29, 2013 6:52 PM

    @mikemccarthyhof

    Those gol-dern idots huh?

    3 fingers pointing back at you……Idiot

  99. truthserum4u says: Sep 29, 2013 6:54 PM

    Say, where’s stellarperformance when you need him?

    I sure would like to hear how Green Bay’s schedule the first three games was so much harder than the Vikings’ now that Cleveland beat the Bengals.

    Vikings: Det 3-1, Chi 3-1, Clev 2-2 (no team below .500)

    Packers: SF 2-2, Wash 0-3, Cin 2-2 (no team above .500)

    The NFL plays games in the hear and now, not last year stellar.

  100. truvikingfan says: Sep 29, 2013 6:55 PM

    Congratulations hapless and tasteless filthy!

    Your post was finally not one of the first…..your slipping.

  101. truthserum4u says: Sep 29, 2013 6:56 PM

    filthymcnasty1 says: Sep 29, 2013 6:38 PM

    ESPN just reported that the Viking players really enjoyed their time in London, and especially appreciated having a knowledgeable home crowd for once in their careers.

    ————————————-

    The Packers should play there then so they can experience the same thing.

  102. GenXJay says: Sep 29, 2013 6:59 PM

    Carl Gerbs,
    Your point to ridicule the Vikes backfired. Admit it. ShAaron sat at that table waiting & waiting w/the same disgusted look had last Sunday against Cincinnati. He wasn’t a top 5 pick. now, get over it…I’m sure ShAaron hasn’t.

    mikemccarthyhof, interestingly enough you cannot spell “idiot” correctly. Goodness, you cheesebay trolls burn yourselves.

  103. hatesycophants says: Sep 29, 2013 7:00 PM

    Deb with the knockout.

  104. truvikingfan says: Sep 29, 2013 7:02 PM

    Than name them Carl, or are we too busy calling Barriero?

  105. truthserum4u says: Sep 29, 2013 7:02 PM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says: Sep 29, 2013 6:39 PM

    Hey genxjay,

    Can you name the 2 players the Vikes took instead of Aaron? Cuz, I can.

    _______________________________–

    Because every team should draft a QB in the first round when their current QB has one of the best seasons in history at the time.

  106. truthserum4u says: Sep 29, 2013 7:05 PM

    mikemccarthyhof says:
    Sep 29, 2013 6:03 PM

    Ugh. Easy rigged win for Vikings. Good job beating a 0-4 team you idots

    ————————————————-

    Last time I checked Green Bay’s only victory came against an 0-3 team that is currently struggling against another bad team.

    And be sure to spell “idiots” correctly when insulting the intelligence of others.

  107. Joemontanaflacco says: Sep 29, 2013 7:05 PM

    Steelers’ fans act like getting beat by the Bills was so terrible. I’m sure the sad little Steelers would welcome losing a game by just 3 points. Steelers flew all the way to London just so Big Ben could get his clock cleaned. Hahahahahahahaha!!! (Joke stolen by Bobzilla)

  108. truvikingfan says: Sep 29, 2013 7:06 PM

    @deb

    I can understand and enjoy your earlier post. As a Vikings fan, it can be brutal, at times, made all the more so by constant packer trolls.

    Band wagon jumpers and fair weathers should go elsewhere.

  109. filthymcnasty1 says: Sep 29, 2013 7:06 PM

    The Vikings are a very bad football team that finally managed to win a game against an even worse football team.

    It’s so exciting.

  110. truvikingfan says: Sep 29, 2013 7:08 PM

    Idots? What’s an idot?

  111. GenXJay says: Sep 29, 2013 7:11 PM

    Carl Gerbs,
    Maybe i should’ve had you wait & wait for this response so everyone can see you pout. Just like #12 in the draft. Your point pertaining to early draft picks failed. Admit it.
    mikemccarthyhof,
    “idots”…really, lol!
    What’s that make you? A “rahtard”?

  112. teamnorsecore says: Sep 29, 2013 7:19 PM

    *Patiently waits for Filthy to change over screen names to Tokyo for his insightful take on the team he loves to hate…………..

  113. laxcoach37 says: Sep 29, 2013 7:21 PM

    Steelers Fans go off to troll every team stories and especially love going to Dolphinss to spout off about “Wallace -the one trick pony” well eat your medicine! Wallace chose NOT to sign and stay. Sure he chased the money, but where would you rather be? Undefeated Miami or winless Pittsburgh? Here we Steelers, Here we go?.. NOT!

  114. koenig61 says: Sep 29, 2013 7:21 PM

    Everyone says Ben holds the ball too long. I just heard a stat where the avg time a QB holds the ball is 3.1. Ben holds it 3.5. Anyone watching the game can see that pocket collapses before Ben can even look down field. I’m not suggesting Ben is the worlds greates QB, however any fan who can’t recognize he is one of the main reasons the steelers are even in the game most of the time, is just hating on Ben, the same way steeler fans are hating on Haley. Haley isn’t out on the field, and they can only run plays that the personnel on the field can actually handle. I thought there were a few glimmers of hope with belle today. This game today was lost for two main reasons. Atrocious tackling on the huge TD’s by the Vikes. Allen is rusty, I get that, but he had an awful awful game. The other thing is the steelers inability to run the ball when they need to. You can be first and goal from the 3 and not have the personnel who can pound it in from just three yards out. When the other team knows you can run, it’s much easier to defend the pass. If fans are waiting for Ben to suddenly read defenses the way Payton does, or have the accuracy of Rodgers, or have the online that protects Brady, give it up, it ain’t happening. You live and die with Ben. He makes plays that make you wonder, how did he elude that sack, and then he makes plays that make you think what is he doing? I think Ben is pressing too much right now, and he feels he has to pick up the slack for everyone else. This game today was on th defense, and that’s rare.

  115. bensstinkyfingers says: Sep 29, 2013 7:33 PM

    Steelers are by far the Turd’s of the NFL, an look to be for years until Big Ben retires or is dumped. Hilarious, how majority of Steeler bandwagon fans have crawled back under their rocks since the team blows now. Enjoy, suckiness , and fantasize about a 7th ring for the next decade.

  116. pack13queens0 says: Sep 29, 2013 7:35 PM

    bballnut50 says: Sep 29, 2013 5:51 PM

    pack13queens0- You are wrong again like all packer pukes…horse collar tackles legal when QB is in the pocket!!-SKOL!! BTW-more purple in London vs Black & Gold!!

    ——————————————————
    Maybe they should move there for good. They need corporate buyouts to get on TV in Minnesota. The Mudducks don’t appreciate them & that State sure seems to have a lot of Packer fans.

  117. AD2K5 says: Sep 29, 2013 7:42 PM

    As exciting as it was to see Jennings and AD have a great game, I for one hope ponder comes back as the starter. There is no future with Cassell, just tank it and get a top 5 pick already.

  118. truthserum4u says: Sep 29, 2013 7:48 PM

    pack13queens0 says: Sep 29, 2013 7:35 PM

    …that State sure seems to have a lot of Packer fans.

    ———————————————–

    Well of course, they move to live in a better place.

  119. whatjusthapped says: Sep 29, 2013 7:49 PM

    The Vikings secondary has to be a big concern. In this pass happy NFL, there are not too many teams as bad as the Steelers (maybe the Jags, Raiders, and Jets but none of them are on the Vikings schedule) so enjoy the win today.

    If Cassel is the answer, what the hell is the question?

  120. teamnorsecore says: Sep 29, 2013 7:50 PM

    pack13queens0 says:
    Sep 29, 2013 7:35 PM
    bballnut50 says: Sep 29, 2013 5:51 PM

    pack13queens0- You are wrong again like all packer pukes…horse collar tackles legal when QB is in the pocket!!-SKOL!! BTW-more purple in London vs Black & Gold!!

    ——————————————————
    Maybe they should move there for good. They need corporate buyouts to get on TV in Minnesota. The Mudducks don’t appreciate them & that State sure seems to have a lot of Packer fans.
    ……………..
    How many blackouts has there been in say…..the past 15-20 seasons? You don’t even know what you are talking about.

  121. bobzilla1001 says: Sep 29, 2013 7:52 PM

    Koenig:
    No one is waiting for Roethlisberger to turn into Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. That ship has sailed. Roethlisberger is what he is. Unfortunately.
    What we are waiting for is for the conclusion of this not-unexpected season and a complete housecleaning, one that might include the quarterback.
    He needs to be traded in exchange for perhaps a package of drafts picks. He needs to be replaced with a QB who not only piles up passing yards but also throw TD passes.
    The Steelers’ defenses of yesteryear are no longer around to win for Big Ben…

  122. ilovefoolsball says: Sep 29, 2013 7:54 PM

    Where is the guy that was always talking about his rings and something about counting them?

  123. holeinone09 says: Sep 29, 2013 8:04 PM

    While it looks bleak for the Steelers, remember this. Football is a funny game and anything can happen. Just ask the Ravens or Giants when they won the SB. It is now a 12 game seasin, and the Steelers are 2 back. They play teams in their duvision 5 of those games. As Deb said, die hard Steeler fans will be there each and every game. They clearly need to get their act together fast. I would not be surprised if they brought in some available OL to look at before the next game. Adams is a human turnstyle, a revolvng door. That has to be fixed. Give Ben a chance to throw a pass without worrying about being clobbered and give the RBs a hole to run through. And get A TURNOVER on defense. Taylor dropped 2 picks today.

  124. ydousuk says: Sep 29, 2013 8:13 PM

    Nofoolnodrool says:Sep 29, 2013 5:29 PM

    Joemontanaflacco says:
    Sep 29, 2013 4:39 PM
    Don’t even bother getting on that plane. Humiliated on national tv on Sunday, humiliated on national tv on Monday. Humiliated in Europe! Humiliated on two continents! Humiliated worldwide! Hahahahahaha!

    8 5 Skippy your chumps couldn’t beat the Bills and you are talking trash……..any doubt of your troll status has been eliminated. Your envy is only surpassed by your hatred….your mom must be proud of your stellar qualities
    ———————————————————-

    A Steeler fan talking smack at 0-4, classic!

    P.S.: So you are back to calling everyone “Skippy” again huh?

  125. koenig61 says: Sep 29, 2013 8:14 PM

    Bobzilla, so in your opinion it’s bens fault they lost today? Not the poor performances of Clark, Troy, Cortez, and the rest of the defense and their atrocious tackling? I get it. You hate Ben. I don’t think bens the best QB in the league but he is very easily in the top 7, and yet you think the steelers best chance of winning is trading Ben ? Wow, I’m so glad you aren’t the GM. My wife and I went on holiday to england and we happened to be at the game today, and the defense was horrendous, yet no one is calling for lebeaus head. Ben takes more punishment than just about any QB I can think of. Some of it’s brought on by him, some of it is awful offensive line play. Ben creates most of the offense through his ability to shed would be tacklers, and extending plays. You seem like one of those people who just always finds something to be miserable about. While Ben didn’t win the two SBs by himself, it’s a given without Ben the steelers wouldn’t have gotten to thos two SBs. He played poorly in the Seahawks game, but he put the team on his back that year, and won the last four games of the season as well as beating the #1 2 3 teams in the playoffs. You harp on how the steelers wine cause of their great defense and not because of Ben, well guess what Bradshaw won a lot of his games because of great defense as well. You must be a real joy to be around wit your miserable attitude. I bet you kick puppies, and take pacifiers away from babies. What’s that old saying? Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water” that’s kind of you in a nutshell. To you the answer is fire everyone and start over. Yet analyst after analyst says Bens a elite QB, but somehow you know best?

  126. ydousuk says: Sep 29, 2013 8:16 PM

    ilovefoolsball says:Sep 29, 2013 7:54 PM

    Where is the guy that was always talking about his rings and something about counting them?
    ———————————————————-
    He is probably back hiding in his Momma’s basement.

  127. tokyosandblaster says: Sep 29, 2013 8:17 PM

    Congrats, Vikings fans, on the win.

  128. steelcurtainn says: Sep 29, 2013 8:21 PM

    6 rings and the ravens suck like we do.

  129. ledzep826 says: Sep 29, 2013 8:27 PM

    does anybody notice the similarity between wearethesteelers reality check and joeflaccomontana because they are all the same person.

  130. teamnorsecore says: Sep 29, 2013 8:30 PM

    tokyosandblaster says:
    Sep 29, 2013 8:17 PM
    Congrats, Vikings fans, on the win.
    ………….
    There he is……wow…..so “diplomatic” of you. Playing Good Cop/Bad Cop today eh? Did you see Cleveland beat that “tough” Cinci team? WHAT?!?!?!?

  131. teamnorsecore says: Sep 29, 2013 8:33 PM

    bobzilla1001 says:
    Sep 29, 2013 7:52 PM
    Koenig:
    No one is waiting for Roethlisberger to turn into Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. That ship has sailed. Roethlisberger is what he is. Unfortunately.
    What we are waiting for is for the conclusion of this not-unexpected season and a complete housecleaning, one that might include the quarterback.
    He needs to be traded in exchange for perhaps a package of drafts picks. He needs to be replaced with a QB who not only piles up passing yards but also throw TD passes.
    The Steelers’ defenses of yesteryear are no longer around to win for Big Ben…
    ………….
    I’d take #7 in a heart beat on the Vikes. Best pocket shiftiness in the game, great arm, no one is more dangerous at making something out of nothing. His O-Line is the problem.

  132. GenXJay says: Sep 29, 2013 8:34 PM

    justwhathapped & Tokyo,
    You just garnered some respect. Thanks for the humility.

  133. Joemontanaflacco says: Sep 29, 2013 8:36 PM

    World humiliation!!!
    — the Super Bowl Champs

  134. teamnorsecore says: Sep 29, 2013 8:50 PM

    GenXJay says:
    Sep 29, 2013 8:34 PM
    justwhathapped & Tokyo,
    You just garnered some respect. Thanks for the humility.
    …………….
    Ahhhhhh……..I agree. Well see how long it lasts.

  135. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Sep 29, 2013 8:52 PM

    golforepar says:Sep 29, 2013 5:20 PM

    If only the queens could play winless teams every week!
    _______

    Well, they played winless teams in 3 of 4 weeks and it isn’t working that well. At least our schedule has been more difficult than Green Bay’s.

  136. Nofoolnodrool says: Sep 29, 2013 8:53 PM

    A Steeler fan talking smack at 0-4, classic!

    P.S.: So you are back to calling everyone “Skippy” again huh?

    Skippy is only for the little ones missing their marbles like you Timmy. Stand in front of a mirror and repeat your handle…..ok skippy?

  137. bobzilla1001 says: Sep 29, 2013 8:54 PM

    Koenig:
    In my opinion, Ben contributed to the loss, yes. So did Tomlin’s poor clock management (again), and the defense also was to blame.
    And please don’t give me a history lesson on the Steelers of the 1970s. Bradshaw was a two-time Super Bowl MVP. He threw TD passes. He threw four against the 1978 Cowboys, who in no way should be compared with either the generic 2005 Seahawks or the defensive-challenged ’08 Cardinals.
    And for all those clamoring for turnovers by the defense: The Vikings’ D has forced, created, caused, whatever term you want to use, 12 turnovers this season. But their record is 1-3.
    The best way to win games is for our QB to stop giving games away. Pretty simple.

  138. Nofoolnodrool says: Sep 29, 2013 8:54 PM

    Joemontanaflacco | Sep 29, 2013, 8:36 PM EDT
    World humiliation!!!
    – the Super Bowl Champs

    Yes the champs were chumps again especially gummy Suggs .

  139. steelcurtainn says: Sep 29, 2013 8:55 PM

    Floppo 5 picks and a loss to the lowly bills and ravens still have the nerve to talk. Bmore can Expect another loss next week too. All that and the steelers are only 2 down in the division with 12 to play.

  140. Deb says: Sep 29, 2013 8:55 PM

    @koenig61 …

    I’ve called out LeBeau when it’s deserved. But we have personnel issues that weren’t his doing. He didn’t give up our best pass rusher. Tackling could have been better, but the secondary shouldn’t have to repeatedly bring down running backs. Ike may have lost a couple of near INTs–but he ensured the receivers didn’t make those catches.

    Maybe it looked different from the stands, but I saw Ben miss a lot of opportunities, overthrow receivers, and give up turnovers. It’s been a while since I’ve heard an announcer call him “elite.” But Phil Simms pointed out today Haley’s offense gives Ben many ways to move the ball downfield. He just isn’t getting it done.

    I’ve defended Ben for years, waiting for him to maximize his natural talent. At this point, he’s not going to suddenly learn to read defenses and play with discipline. We saw Franco Harris as a Seahawk, Rod Woodson as a Raven. Ben hasn’t meant more to the Steelers than they did. It’s time to let him go, get as many draft picks as we can, and rebuild this team with a new QB.

  141. koenig61 says: Sep 29, 2013 9:15 PM

    So I’m a little confused. Phil sims Super Bowl MVP says Haley is a good coordinator, but some fans say Haley sucks, and needs to be fired ? So do I believe the fans, or the NFL analysts? I always thought the steelers defense was predicated on tackling. Other than blitzes, that’s the mainstay of a dick lebeau defense. Good tackling. Ike makes that interception, and no FG by the vikes. Allen makes that tackle and no 70 yard TD. TRoy doesn’t gamble inside, and Peterson doesn’t go 60 yards for a TD. I’m not trying to downgrade Bradshaw in anyway, but I was just trying to make the comparison, that the defense nor the offense wins a game by itself. And in my opinion Ben was the MVP of the cardinals SB. Ben marched that team down field, and Holmes dropped the first TD pass Ben through him, right before he made the winning TD catch. I guess because I hear some fans come on head and bash Ben, or Haley and tomlin with such regularity, I feel compelled to play devils advocate and point out the other side of the spectrum. I actually prefer this type of analytical thinking, as opposed to the trash talking crap from posters such as joemontanaflacco etc.

  142. TBaySlim says: Sep 29, 2013 9:21 PM

    gerby, toyko, filty, gbbadger, most of the same packquer guys on here troll on Vikings comments every day pretty pathetic boys, don’t quit your day job, oh your beloved cheese team has as many wins as the vikings

  143. pack13queens0 says: Sep 29, 2013 9:27 PM

    truthserum4u says: Sep 29, 2013 7:48 PM
    Well of course, they move to live in a better place.

    ——————————————————
    I think you have it backwards. Too many Mudducks move to Wisconsin for a better life, nobody ever leaves Wisconsin for Minnesota. All the Packer fans in Minnesota were born & raised there.

  144. toes110 says: Sep 29, 2013 9:36 PM

    Wisconsin is the armpit of Minnesota, say what you will about the vikes, but the great state of Minnesota is and always will be superior….

  145. curtb29 says: Sep 29, 2013 9:48 PM

    Gonna be quite honest were not as bad off as all these haters want us to be or say we are. Yea were 0-4 but other than the Vikings the other teams have winning records. Tennessee 3-1 should be 4-0, Cincy 2-2 and Bears 3-1 and in all these games we shot ourselves in the foot with turnovers. We cant blame anyone but ourselves and each week every team is gonna give us their best because they want to measure themselves up to us. Some blame our defense and some blame our offensive and its both. First of all with the defense were playing to soft instead of bump and run or checking the receivers at the line. By doing this it allow the other teams QB to get the ball out of the hands before we can get pressure on the QB. Ben also needs to take what the defense gives him. I like that Haley trying to get the ball out of Bens hands quickly with his play calls. Ben needs to understand that the dink and dunk does work you just got execute it (not holding onto the ball). Most important of all we need we need these 3 things and we will be fine.
    1. TAKE CARE OF THE BALL ELIMINATE THE TURNOVERS.
    2. NEED CREATE TURNOVERS.
    3. NEED A TRUE LEFT TACKLE. Mike Adams is not the answer. I like the pickup of Verlasco Fernando and hope we keep him. Would love to see Pouncy move over to guard for Foster.
    Just my opinion

  146. bobzilla1001 says: Sep 29, 2013 9:59 PM

    Koenig:
    You can choose to believe what you want to believe. You’ve already pointed out that some say Roethlisberger hangs in to the ball too long, a belief that you dispute. Obviously you’ve decided to pick and choose what to believe. Terrific.
    Here’s what I know: I watch more Steelers football by accident than NFL analysts watch on purpose. I only propose trading Roethlisberger in order to attain some better players. You do think an 0-4 team could use some better players, right?
    Try to get it through your head that those great defenses of the past, from 2004 to 2010, are not coming back. The Steelers won with a top-5 defense, not with a bottom-third offense. Simple math.

  147. Deb says: Sep 29, 2013 10:14 PM

    @koenig61 …

    Don’t know what to tell you on whether to believe the fans or Phil Simms because I’ve always trusted my own eyes, instincts, and knowledge of the game. Sometimes, however, I like to quote others whose opinions support mine–as Phil’s does.

    Troy takes chances. That’s what makes him Troy. Rod was known to bite occasionally, too. The great ones take risks–and more often than not, those risks pay off.

    The MVP of SBXLIII was James Harrison. His pick six was a 14-point swing in the score. If he hadn’t had the intelligence to track Warner’s throw and step in front of it and the stamina to run back that ball, we would have lost the game. I loved Ben’s comeback TD at the end. But we wouldn’t have been close enough for it to matter without Harrison’s hustle.

    You’ve mentioned that you’re not a Steelers fan but haven’t shared what team you do support. Just curious. I’m pretty passionate about my team and a little tired of defending myself to someone who isn’t a fan.

  148. middy8484 says: Sep 29, 2013 10:51 PM

    Wearethesteelers is a moron. Deb has class.

  149. middy8484 says: Sep 29, 2013 10:52 PM

    Wearethesteelers is a moron. Deb is a class act.

  150. filthymcnasty1 says: Sep 29, 2013 11:19 PM

    Lets see. What do the standing look like?

    It looks like after the big win today, the Vikings are now all alone in last place in the division.

  151. hotwings4u says: Sep 30, 2013 12:02 AM

    Clearly you could see a difference with Cassell at QB. More deep throws and taking advantage of one-on-one coverage. The receivers notice it too. Simpson and Jennings had big days…and AP played harder too.

    Keep in mind that playing with AP makes your job alot easier as a QB. Ponder cannot take advantage of that…and it only took Cassell one game to do so.

    Ponder is not an NFL QB….

  152. steelchampions says: Sep 30, 2013 12:47 AM

    A previous post made a good point about having personell issues. This team has the look of whole bunch of role players that would be excellent roll players amongst big-time playmakers. These roll players are being asked to be the big-time playmakers and it’s not happening.

    The offense seemed to improve slightly, but still far too many punts and Ben isn’t taking care of the ball anywhere close to what he should be.

    And the defense has yet to get a turn-over!? Ike Taylor has bricks for hands; it’s known and accepted because he bats down his fair share, but somebody has to come up with a pick or land on a fumble; it’s insane!

    While I’ve been piling on Haley it’s clear the issues here are deep on both sides of the ball. When any team goes 0-4 everyone has to take some of the blame and be held accountable in some aspect. And that includes management. The salary cap problems dealing with aren’t going away anytime soon. Until they face that music it’s going to feel like we’re living through the Steelers of the ’80’s again for a good while longer.

    To the Steelers I say, ‘Hang in there; whether the storm. Every team goes through it eventually. You can still come out on the other side a little better than when you went in. The true Steeler fans will be there with you the whole way. We’ll gripe and complain along the way (fan is short for fanatic) but we know better days are always ahead.’

  153. truthserum4u says: Sep 30, 2013 1:16 AM

    @ pack13queens0

    My sister-in-law and at least a dozen people I have worked with would as prove otherwise.

  154. pfunk1791 says: Sep 30, 2013 2:11 AM

    You haters amaze me. As much as I love the Steelers, I have never been inclined to jump on some other teams thread and talk garbage. You think you’re winning but you’re just burying your own credibility. Congrats to the Vikings for making the plays to get the W. It’s humbling to be winless, but I can’t expect the Steelers to be potential SB contenders for two straight decades now can I?

  155. pfunk1791 says: Sep 30, 2013 2:12 AM

    oh, and R.I.P LC

  156. steelersnowand4ever says: Sep 30, 2013 5:57 AM

    I made a prediction last Sunday. I said the Pirates would win more games in the last week of the season than the Steelers will win all year. Pirates won 6 games this week…..no way the Steelers will win 6.

  157. southcarolinamike says: Sep 30, 2013 7:47 AM

    The Steelers need to do something this week in the category of someone getting fired. They won’t fire the coach because he has done enough to get two more years to fix the problems with the talent he is given. They will wait until the end of the year to get rid of the defensive coordinator…time has passed for this guy….once geat, now not, like the team itself. As bad as the players are, they can’t cut any because God only knows what bigger pile of garbage is behind the existing pile of garbage.

    The Steelers have a week off and need to make a statement. Their biggest problem is the lack of good players. Again, this goes back to things that were once good and now they are not. The Steelers need to fire the GM. This will do two things. First, allow them to bring in someone to evaluate the existing talent and look at new talent for the future. Secondly, it puts the players on notice that their jobs are up in the air. A new GM opens the door for the potential for every player, including the turnover prone QB, to be not on the Steelers next year. If Ben got cut, there wouldn’t be a decent team in the league that picked him up.

    Summary of the game yesterday. A QB that had two turnovers and one directly costing them a chance to tie the game in the last seconds. Ben is terrible this year and someone above said he is in the top seven of QBs….Nonsense, he is in the bottom seven of QBs right now….too many turnovers and not enough TDs. He doesn’t have much to play with, but he is actively harming the teams chances to win with turnovers.

    The defense. Outdated scheme producing no turnovers. Worse, the are having the ball run down their throats. The only team remaining in the NFL without a turnover after four games. FOUR GAMES! The incompetency is glaring.

    Getting back to my comments above. Tomlin gets two years after this one to get this team back in the playoffs or he is gone as well. Cowher had three sub par seasons from 1998-2000 and he got it turned around in 2001. Tomlin has one Super Bowl win and one appearance under his belt. Right or wrong, he gets two more years. He’ll never make it without a GM who can do a better job of talent evaluation for the modern game.

  158. olcap says: Sep 30, 2013 7:50 AM

    1mommicked1 says:
    Sep 29, 2013 4:15 PM
    wake me from the terrible nightmare that is the 2013-2014 season
    —————————

    Do you think the Steelers will do any better in 2014–2015? The Steelers will only get worse under the current “administrative” personnel. Years before they get better.

  159. steel2372 says: Sep 30, 2013 7:53 AM

    Joemontanaflacco says: Sep 29, 2013 4:39 PM

    Don’t even bother getting on that plane. Humiliated on national tv on Sunday, humiliated on national tv on Monday. Humiliated in Europe! Humiliated on two continents! Humiliated worldwide! Hahahahahaha!

    I dont know why you are laughing, You got beat yesterday too. Great job by the Buffalo Bills they played tough.

  160. olcap says: Sep 30, 2013 7:58 AM

    agc99 says:
    Sep 29, 2013 4:37 PM
    Tomlin was winning with Cowhers players and now that they are old he can’t win with his own. He wanted Worldis and Colbert wanted Sean Lee. There’s a big differnce in talent. He also wanted Ziggy Hood, Cam Heyward and Marcus Gilbert all high picks that no other team would have picked before the 5th round. It’s going to be ugly but if the house gets cleaned it will be worth taking an 0-16 season.
    ——————————

    Tomlin will get at least two, and probably THREE 0-16 seasons before the Rooneys will fire him. There is no hope for the Steelers, as they proceed to Absolute Square One over the next couple of years.

  161. olcap says: Sep 30, 2013 8:03 AM

    upinmysteamertrunk says:
    Sep 29, 2013 4:56 PM
    The Steelers were due for a down year. While I didn’t think it would be this bad (0-4), it was bound to happen sooner than later. The schedule is pretty rough the rest of the way, but a top 10 pick is going to help them moving forward.
    ——————————–

    LOL, not if Tomlin has any say on who they pick with that top 10.

  162. olcap says: Sep 30, 2013 8:05 AM

    Chase says:
    Sep 29, 2013 5:06 PM
    All the steeler hate is funny to me. Every team has some down years. I guess it’s the steelers turn. All the hate must be because it’s not common for the steelers to be this bad. People love when the historically good teams have a down year (Yankees, Lakers, etc). But they’ll be back…just not this season…
    ——————————-

    The hate comes because there are a few really irritating Steeler “fans” that post immature nonsense here.

  163. bobzilla1001 says: Sep 30, 2013 8:07 AM

    Least we not forget that Harrison’s dazzling 100-yard interception return for a TD was set up by yet another Roethlisberger turnover, a pick that placed the Cardinals’ high-powered offense at pointblank range. Harrison saved SuperBen’s behind in Super Bowl 43.
    Based purely on Roethlisberger’s individual performances, the Steelers could easily be 0-3 in Super Bowls.

  164. wildwalt7 says: Sep 30, 2013 8:23 AM

    The Steelers should see if they can get a couple of first round picks for Roethlisberger from the Texans or Raiders and a first for Troy.With 4 first round picks and some salary cap room the Steelers could turn it around pretty fast.

  165. Joemontanaflacco says: Sep 30, 2013 8:36 AM

    Nofoolnodrool says:
    Sep 29, 2013 8:54 PM
    Joemontanaflacco | Sep 29, 2013, 8:36 PM EDT
    World humiliation!!!
    – the Super Bowl Champs

    Yes the champs were chumps again especially gummy Suggs .

    ———–
    Rather than try and respond to your vitriolic hillbilly hyperbole, VaRedskins fan, please understand that your favorite team, the Redskins, remains a national laughingstock. Your second favorite team, the Steelers, are officially now an international laughingstock and, historically, have never made the playoffs after going 0-3, let alone 0-4. Conversely, the Superbowl Champion Ravens, hillbillyboy, have a history of overcoming adversity, having made it to the playoffs despite starting out with records as bad as 2-3 in the Harbaugh/Flacco era. And thanks for asking, Ravens currently lead the AFCN, an honor they no doubt backed into just like the playoff berth they received last year thanks to the Steelers getting Texas-sized fools made of themselves in Dallas. So, let me suggest that you speak to the so-called logicalvoice in your head, Mr. Dan Snidely/Art Looney lover, look in the mirror, and try to chisel something that could be mistaken for a smile into that shrivelled up, made bitter-by-so-much-disappointment-and-impotent-rage visage, cause it’s time for a giant reality check, baby, and no amount of hurling third-grade insults at fans and players alike, or referring to them as peanut butter brands is going to alter that.

  166. Nofoolnodrool says: Sep 30, 2013 8:49 AM

    mackcarrington says:
    Sep 29, 2013 4:21 PM
    Well, they have six rings. At least they have that going for them.

    39 12 You obviously don’t have six and are envious……you can always tell a new nfl fan by their lack of respect for history and the love of now and small victories.

  167. jmblosser82 says: Sep 30, 2013 8:53 AM

    Steelers are a top 10 pass attack and passing defense, 29th in rushing and rush defense. This numbers are usually reversed. Ben is 5 TDs, I know it’s not manning numbers but he’s doing what he can with a terrible line and horrible running game. Ravens and bengals have their own issues and the brownies may steal a title this year. The bye week couldn’t have come at a better time.

  168. koenig61 says: Sep 30, 2013 8:59 AM

    @Deb
    When I asked about believing sims or the fans regarding Haley’s credentials, it was more of a rhetorical question. I’m stunned how many Fans think they know more than people whose actual job is to breakdown game film. Every fan is a Monday morning QB. Hindsight is wonderful. I have watched a lot of football in my 52 years, but I hint think I’m qualified to say who should and shouldn’t be a offensive coordinator in the NFL. I also trust my own eyes and instincts and my eyes are telling me there are plenty of problems with this team, and Haley isn’t at the top of the list. Inexperienced linemen, penalties, turnovers, pick six’s fumbles, poor tackling etc. in each game you can pick one or two things that would swing each of these loss’s into a victory. That wouldn’t make this team a winder, but it would change their record. You say that the great ones take chances, such as Try and Rod. Well that same argument can be said for Ben. He also takes chances. However we both know when this chances don’t work out, you look like a fool. The same can be said of any great player. I would compare Ben a little bit to Brett favre, because Favre also took many chances, some fans chose to look at favre as great, others as a fool for all the risks. To me all of this speculation shows what type of individual you are. I’ve always been a glass half full kind of person, and some others are a glass half empty type I choose to think if you change or tweak a few areas, things will get better. The glass half empty crowd, believes in massive changes and starting over from scratch. I agree with you that James Harrison’s pick 6 TD was huge. It was an amazing play, but again it was because of the team. The blocking on his return was amazing. I won’t split hairs on if he or Ben deserved MVP. But I certainly don’t think winning MVP in a SB makes you a great player. My argument with bobzilla about MVP was simply because he wanted to use that analogy to say because Ben hadn’t won a MVP, Ben wasn’t great. You also seem interested in me saying I wasn’t born a steelers fan. I would only think this would be relevant if I were a fanatic. One of those fans who loves or hates with such passion that they cannot see clearly. I’m not sure what bearing this has on me having a opinion on the steelers, but I will share my history with you. My father was In the USAF, and I was born on a military installation in Germany and lived overseas in Germany, Japan, and england until I was 13. My father retired shortly thereafter and we moved to Pittsburgh. All my life my father was a bengals fan. He lived and died with them. I as a child enjoyed what we call soccer. Living in Pittsburgh it wasn’t hard to pick up the enthusiasm th city had for the steelers, pirates and penguins, but especially the steelers. I loved the steelers. I liked how jack lambert played the game. A little undersized but great fight in him. I would never have told my father I preferred the steelers, as he disliked them immensely, what with them being rivals. I followed in my fathers footsteps and spent 24 years in the air force, but everywhere I went I kept up with the steelers. For the past 39 years I have watched the steelers. Not being born here in the burgh, and not even watching football until I was 13 I kind of feel I don’t have the right to claim them as my team as you and bobzilla do. You were born steeler fans and I was not. I sincerely hope you don’t feel I’m attacking you or the steelers. I simply think Ben is better than you give him credit for, and I don’t believe all of the steelers problems can be put nearly in one box, such as firing Haley, or trading Ben. I honestly feel that in my talks with you and bobzilla, it’s Mott of an analytical debate and not fanatics like joemontanaflacco. I won’t apologize for my opinion. I do think Ben is one hell of a QB. He doesn’t fit the mold of a classic QB, but then neither do a lot of the great ones.

  169. Nofoolnodrool says: Sep 30, 2013 9:31 AM

    Joemontanaflacco says:
    Sep 30, 2013 8:36 AM
    Nofoolnodrool says:
    Sep 29, 2013 8:54 PM
    Joemontanaflacco | Sep 29, 2013, 8:36 PM EDT
    World humiliation!!!
    – the Super Bowl Champs

    Yes the champs were chumps again especially gummy Suggs .

    ———–
    Rather than try and respond to your vitriolic hillbilly hyperbole, VaRedskins fan, please understand that your favorite team, the Redskins, remains a national laughingstock. Your second favorite team, the Steelers, are officially now an international laughingstock and, historically, have never made the playoffs after going 0-3, let alone 0-4. Conversely, the Superbowl Champion Ravens, hillbillyboy, have a history of overcoming adversity, having made it to the playoffs despite starting out with records as bad as 2-3 in the Harbaugh/Flacco era. And thanks for asking, Ravens currently lead the AFCN, an honor they no doubt backed into just like the playoff berth they received last year thanks to the Steelers getting Texas-sized fools made of themselves in Dallas. So, let me suggest that you speak to the so-called logicalvoice in your head, Mr. Dan Snidely/Art Looney lover, look in the mirror, and try to chisel something that could be mistaken for a smile into that shrivelled up, made bitter-by-so-much-disappointment-and-impotent-rage visage, cause it’s time for a giant reality check, baby, and no amount of hurling third-grade insults at fans and players alike, or referring to them as peanut butter brands is going to alter that.

    0 0 You are so funny when you get mad skippy! Just a point of info for you …I live in Virginia but my heart will always be with the steelers…you know your obsession. Nice little rant faux intellectual, but smart people don’t obsess as you do…..cheers skippy!,

  170. recall10 says: Sep 30, 2013 11:12 AM

    Steelers Fans let’s be real. This Team is done. Let’s start putting time out on some of the none producers and play the new ones to see what’s in the future. Crash needs a time out. Picks and fumble don’t equal SB. Oh, Yeah has anybody notice that our first rounds picks for the last 5 years are not making the cut as well. This team is a mess.

  171. Deb says: Sep 30, 2013 12:40 PM

    @koenig61 …

    So you are a Steelers fan! Being a fan doesn’t have anything to do with where you were born or grew up. It’s where your heart is. Steeler Nation is worldwide!

    That’s what had me so confused. You talk like a devoted Steelers fan, but you keep saying you’re not a Steelers fan–and that made no sense to me. You don’t have to be born in Pittsburgh to love the Steelers. I’m a Floridian who was born into a Crimson Tide family and fell in love with the Steelers as a kid 36 years ago. I’ve been diehard from that moment forward. My brother followed me and we’ve had his kids in Steelers gear since birth–and they’re in Alabama! My little nephew was texting me through the game Sunday. The Steelers are like family to us.

    Don’t keep saying you’re not a Steelers fan, my friend. Anyone with your passion for a team is a fan. And we don’t have to agree on what’s best for the team. Our mutual love for the team is all that matters :)

  172. approachingnormalcy says: Sep 30, 2013 1:09 PM

    @joemontannaflacco

    Your team lost to a very bad team today, maybe worse than the Vikings. I don’t think you should be talking too much.

    Also, your namesake threw 5 interceptions. I’ll bet the person you are comparing him to (Joe Montana) never did that.

    The comparison is a real joke!

  173. bobzilla1001 says: Sep 30, 2013 1:22 PM

    Koenig:
    I’ve learned over the past 10 years that there are two kinds of “Steelers fans”: 1.) Those who root for the team; and 2.) those who are in love with the Big Ben persona and harbor resentfulness toward those great Steelers defenses that grinded out so many 13-10 wins over the years.
    Roethlisberger is fun to watch. He makes the position look nearly impossible to play. I’ve discovered that there’s a large segment of people who enjoy Roethlisberger’s herky-jerky style. But what those people always overlook is that his style has very little substance. He’s thrown 196 career TD passes since 2004, and his offenses routinely rank in the bottom third of the league.
    I’ll take substance over style anytime.

  174. koenig61 says: Sep 30, 2013 1:24 PM

    @Deb, thanks for the kind words. I am very passionate about the steelers, and suppose in many ways I am no different than you or bobzilla. I want the steelers to win. I’m just not much into the trash talking like joemontanaflacco. When I was stationed in other states during the military I always has direct TV NFL package so I could follow the team. I even took this trip to england just to see them. :-) sad ending but a great trip just the same. Seeing how passionate the Brits are for football, and for the steelers in particular, it’s really opened my eyes that anyone can be a diehard steelers fan, anywhere in the world. Il try to be n my best behavior and not over analyze bobzilla comments. I think everyone just wants best for the team, and that’s to get back to the tradition of winning.

  175. koenig61 says: Sep 30, 2013 1:37 PM

    @bobzilla. Trust me there are many times I’m either yelling at the TV for Ben to run for yardage instead of looking for a receiver to get open. Sometimes even as he’s throwing it I’m yelling nooooooo, but then the pass is completed. Other times I’m screaming he’s open, throw it! -and next thing you know it’s an interception. Sometimes what he does works, and at other times it doesn’t. I kind of liked last year when through 9 games he had 17 TDS and 4 interceptions. He was getting rid of the ball quicker under Haley’s offense and seemed to be buying into it. Then this year no running game, no pouncey,awful offensive line, no Heath and he’s pressing too much. I respect your passion. And as much as I respect bens toughness, I miss the hard nosed defense and running the ball and grinding out wins. Maddox had tons of yardage but we always lost. I heard a stat today the past 8 times bens had 300 yards passing in a game, we have lost. But the NFL has take away defense from the game, because they want to put offense as a priority. Personally I believe fantasy football has a lot to do with this push. It’s like march madness, EVERYONE fills out a bracket. With fantasy EVERYONE (not me however) plays fantasy football, and fantasy football is about the offense, and the more people the NFL can get interested in football, even if it’s just to read up on stats, the NFL will do it. I preferred the 70s steeler teams over any of the other steeler teams. It was about being tougher than anyone else, but like I said, the NFL is legislating defense out of the game.

  176. crownofthehelmet says: Sep 30, 2013 2:21 PM

    “We saw Franco Harris as a Seahawk, Rod Woodson as a Raven. Ben hasn’t meant more to the Steelers than they did.”

    Deb, I’ve read a lot of intelligent commentary from you, but this has to be one of the most ridiculous statments I’ve read. Ben’s current struggles have obviously made you forget the past 7-8 years.

    You get a pass, though. Bobzilla must have brainwashed you.

  177. pushn50 says: Sep 30, 2013 2:22 PM

    Posted by Michael David Smith on September 29, 2013, 4:10 PM EDT

    “Both of the teams the NFL sent to London are bad…”

    You got that right!!!

  178. Deb says: Sep 30, 2013 3:24 PM

    @crownofthehelmet …

    Funny post :) Here’s the thing: Franco had the Immaculate Reception–the most important play in Steelers history. And I’m a defensive girl. In all these years, I’ve owned one offensive jersey–Bradshaw’s. Rod Woodson was it for me. First ballot Hall of Famer, 75th Anniversary team.

    Not discounting Ben’s contributions, but he’ll never be better than he is at this moment. He’s not a student of the game. He’s not going to learn to read defenses. He’s not going to learn to play smarter so he gets sacked less often. Even if we improve the o-line, he’ll continue taking more sacks than any other QB. He’ll slow down with age and be injured more often. We’ll see diminishing returns.

    If we act now, we can get good trade value, relieve ourselves of his salary burden, and get a good, young QB in the draft by virtue of probably picking high this season. I’m just thinking about what’s best for the team going forward.

  179. jjackwagon says: Sep 30, 2013 4:05 PM

    Steeler fans are just beginning to learn the depth of the Haley problem.
    Hopefully Tomlin will be smart enough to cut him loose before mid-season. If not, they may both be gone at the end of the season.

  180. steelcurtainn says: Sep 30, 2013 4:06 PM

    Excuse me, for intervening here, but even thought of trading Big Ben would be a disaster. No way do you do that next year. You may release Big Bens salary burden but now is not the time to start thinking about grooming a new qb. I personally think thats a few years away, in my opinion. Its clear the offensive line is the problem with this team(5 sacks again last week). It doesn’t help that the steelers have lost Mike Wallace and barely see his replacement Markus Wheaton on the field. They clearly have had no running game. Getting Le’veon Bell back is a breath of fresh air but I believe it will only help so much unless the O-line is fixed. I am not at all saying Big Ben is not at fault for some of the offenses problems(fumbling, picks) but his lineman, and the rbs are obviously not helping much. This is not the time to think about jumping ship on the #7( deb). Just my thoughts, on the offense! I don’t even want to go to the defensive side of the ball after the vikings dreadful performance. I know their better then that.

  181. pack13queens0 says: Sep 30, 2013 8:54 PM

    truthserum4u says: Sep 30, 2013 1:16 AM

    @ pack13queens0

    My sister-in-law and at least a dozen people I have worked with would as prove otherwise.
    ——————————————————
    What’s that supposed to mean?

  182. icornholedmcnastysmom says: Sep 30, 2013 11:42 PM

    I don’t speak Nascar, so I need some explanation on what “Mudduck” means. I am not sure if I need to be insulted or not. Thanks!

  183. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 1, 2013 2:13 AM

    steelcurtainn:
    You have said REPEATEDLY that Roethlisberger has NEVER had good O-lines. What makes you think there’s an O-line in the world capable of making Roethlisberger look good?
    Alan Faneca couldn’t. Marvel Smith couldn’t. Max Starks couldn’t. Jeff Hardings couldn’t. Pouncey couldn’t. The list goes on.
    The Steelers have spent a ton of money on Adams and Gilbert. And the organization isn’t about to eat all that GUARANTEED bonus money without first giving these kids a decent chance to develop as a unit.
    Secondly, there is NO WAY the Rooneys are going to dump more millions of dollars into Roethlisberger’s overinflated bank account. Not going to happen. He’s as good as gone before next spring’s draft.

  184. All-American Voltron says: Oct 1, 2013 11:04 AM

    pack13queens0 says: Sep 29, 2013 5:35 PM

    Looks like the NFL is going to have to apologize to the Steelers for missing that horse collar tackle on the strip sack. But considering Roger Goodell worships the Vikings that probably won’t happen.
    ————————————–
    First of all, the horse collar on a QB is legal so there was no foul. And secondly, only a Packer fan would actually believe something as ridiculous as the Vikings are favored by the NFL or Goodell. I guess he thinks the Packers won 15 games in 2011 withOUT the refs…

  185. steelcurtainn says: Oct 1, 2013 12:23 PM

    bobzilla:
    Your absolutely right, I have repeatedly said Big Ben has had no offensive line in the past. I stand by that statement. With maybe the exception of 2005, his second year in the league. The 2008 line was average, one in which, he and the team won a superbowl with. What makes me think there is a offensive line capable of making Big Ben look good. Good question, because he has never had a good line to work with so that is a hard one to answer. Even the one year he did(2005) he was young, had a good defense, and he helped managed getting the steelers to the superbowl. He had an excellent playoff run beating the colts and Denver. Give him a good line then I’ll change my opinion of him, if he falters…….Guys like Mike Adams aren’t gonna cut it….Plain and Simple. They guy practically gave up 3 sacks by himself last game……He better starting developing in a hurry…….

    I’m with you, I am not at all saying the Rooneys will dump more $ in Big Bens hand, but there is NO WAY, absolutely NONE that Big Ben will be gone by next spring. WONT HAPPEN….As a long time steeler fan, if it did, I’d be shocked.

  186. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 1, 2013 12:57 PM

    steelcurtainn:
    If you agree with me that the Rooneys will not continue to“dump more $ in Big Ben’s hands, then stop insisting Roethlisberger’s departure is “a few years away.”
    His contract EXPIRES at the end of 2014 season. That contract will not be extended; therefore, he’ll be traded before his current contract expires. Should Roethlisberger become a free agent, the Steelers would get nothing. What part of that don’t you understand?

  187. steelcurtainn says: Oct 1, 2013 2:41 PM

    bobzilla:

    I understand it all. However, I did lose track of when Big Bens contract expired. I will retrack then, I think an extension is likely. NO WAY he is gone by the spring, as you have indicated, and he not likely to be gone after the 2014 season.

    The only way I see otherwise, is unless, the steelers are able pull something similar to the Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck sweepstakes, I HIGHLY DOUBT IT. AND I’m far from sold on Landry Jones. You get rid of Ben, you better have a great plan or get used to longer losing seasons.

    Like I said, no way he is GONE by the spring, I’d be shocked. That’s October jibberish talk.

  188. southcarolinamike says: Oct 1, 2013 4:51 PM

    Trades are highly unusual in the NFL. I don’t see Ben getting traded at any time before the expiration of his contract. I don’t think he would be worth trading for. But then again, the Raiders once traded a draft pick for Charlie Frye.

  189. joker202012 says: Oct 1, 2013 9:07 PM

    The Steelers are using their bye week to go to Borneo to play a team of pygmies.

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