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Frazier says Ponder is starting quarterback, but team will “talk about a lot of things”

Adrian Peterson, Matt Cassel AP

The Vikings got their first taste of victory in 2013 on Sunday when they outlasted the Steelers 34-27 in London.

Win No. 1 on the year came with Matt Cassel at quarterback in place of the injured Christian Ponder. Cassel didn’t turn the ball over and was 16-of-25 for 248 yards and two touchdowns in the game. Big chunks of yards came after the catch on runs by Greg Jennings and Jerome Simpson, but Cassel was able to make plays when the Steelers crowded the box much more effectively than Ponder has in the first three weeks.

Jim Souhan of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reports that running back Adrian Peterson praised Cassel’s command of the huddle and answered “what do you think” to a question about whether the Vikings had found a starting quarterback. Even Ponder admitted he has to “pick up my play” after the game, but one guy isn’t willing to hand everything over to Cassel just yet.

Since that guys is coach Leslie Frazier, that may be the only voice that matters. Frazier jumped in front of the questions when he said that Ponder is the team’s starting quarterback “if you’re asking.” He later left the door open to a possible change, however, by saying that the team would “talk about a lot of things” during the bye week.

“I don’t know what I would base it on [now] other than what I’ve seen with the naked eye,” Frazier said, via Ben Goessling of ESPN.com. “I’d have to look at the tape, look at our football team and then come back and evaluate what we need to do to come back a better team. That’s what I base it on. I think it would be premature for me to say anything other than what I’m saying now.”

Two weeks is a lot of time to watch film and bat ideas around. If that were to lead to a quarterback change in Minnesota, it wouldn’t be the most surprising thing in the world.

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  1. jetblackninja says: Sep 30, 2013 9:08 AM

    Cassel is the better player, and not by a little.

    If I were Zigi Wilf, I would be telling Leslie Frasier LOUD AND CLEAR that if he does insert Ponder back into the lineup…… he is betting his job on him.

  2. ryann252013 says: Sep 30, 2013 9:08 AM

    I would roll with Cassel, Cassel seems to know how to utilize the weapons around him. There should be no excuse for ponder for doing so bad with AP,CP, Greg Jennings and Tyler Rudolph. Its ridiculous if you ask me.

  3. groleo45 says: Sep 30, 2013 9:13 AM

    Would the Vikes have won that game with Ponder@QB? I for one doubt it.

  4. nflpoker says: Sep 30, 2013 9:23 AM

    If Frazier were to keep Ponder as the starter, it may mean that Frazier “would rather lose the war than to admit to the mistake”. Cassel is not an All-Pro for certain, but he didn’t turn the ball over, had better command of the huddle, had decent points scored, along with a 123 rating. Frazier should keep Cassel starting until Cassel proves he shouldn’t start anymore.

    The season is pretty much over for the Vikings right now though, so the only reason to keep Ponder starting is to help getting a higher 1st round draft pick. Oh, and let’s not forget, let the defense play as bad as they have been playing so far.

  5. bennyb82 says: Sep 30, 2013 9:23 AM

    0-3 with Ponder. 1-0 with Cassel…so Ponder is the starter??

  6. fwippel says: Sep 30, 2013 9:23 AM

    This is a bad situation to be in if you’re Frazier.

    Based on Cassel’s history, it’s not like he’s a guaranteed fix to the problem. However, if you keep Ponder as the starter, fans will be all over him even before he makes his first mistake. He’ll have to throw for 400 yards and 5 TDs (with no turnovers) just to get the fans to stop yelling for Cassel.

    However, based on yesterday’s performance, Cassel is the better QB right now. He sees the field better and is a quicker decision-maker with the ball in his hands. That second TD pass to Jennings is pass Ponder doesn’t seem comfortable throwing.

    Frazier needs to do what’s best for the team, and for right now, going with the hot hand is the right move. Everyone knows that the Vikings reached for Ponder in the 2011 draft. Trying to save face with that mistake would be an even bigger mistake.

    Honestly, Ponder’s best shot at getting the starting job back would be to wait for Cassel to falter; chances are if Cassel is named the starter, he will end up playing his way out of that role before Thanksgiving.

  7. overweightman says: Sep 30, 2013 9:26 AM

    They should give Ponder the old Alex Smith treatment. You know, hold him out an extra week for precautionary reasons, and give Cassell one more go at the offense.

  8. tigerpork says: Sep 30, 2013 9:28 AM

    The MVP is a better coach than Frazier.

  9. bennyb82 says: Sep 30, 2013 9:28 AM

    The thing with Cassel is that he makes the WR’s more of a threat. That could open things up for Peterson. Ponder is nothing more than a low level game manager which at best will get them a first round playoff loss.

  10. mrsmell says: Sep 30, 2013 9:29 AM

    Cant say much for the game, Steelers stink. At best, Cassel knows how to get the ball into their 2nd best players hands though.

  11. jdubkc says: Sep 30, 2013 9:30 AM

    me·di·oc·ri·ty
    n. pl. me·di·oc·ri·ties

    1. The state or quality of being mediocre.

    2. Mediocre ability, achievement, or performance.

    3. One that displays mediocre qualities.

  12. afcdomination says: Sep 30, 2013 9:30 AM

    cassel is just an OK QB. if minn is good with that, fine, but when it gets bad with cassel, it gets really really really bad.

    And Cassel can help you beat mediocre to bad D. he will get OWNED by a good defense. its not even close really

  13. peytonshead says: Sep 30, 2013 9:30 AM

    Was Leslie Frazier at the game on Sunday? It could not be more obvious that Cassel is 100x better than Ponder will ever be. And that’s saying something. There’s no reason to “review film.”

    Cassel hit throws that Ponder simply can’t. He also showed the ability to place the ball where the receiver can catch it in stride and make a play. Ponder couldn’t have thrown the 2nd TD to Jennings or the post that hit Simpson right in the numbers in stride in his dreams. Honestly, he would probably under throw or overthrow the screen to Jennings that went for a TD 3 out of 5 times.

    There’s over 2 years of tape on Ponder and all of it shows that he’s not an NFL QB. He would be very, very lucky to turn into Matt Cassel one day. But that’s doubtful. If Frazier can’t see that, it’s time for Frazier to go.

  14. pillowporkers says: Sep 30, 2013 9:46 AM

    The most obvious things Cassel did better than Ponder was get the ball out and make decisions quickly. Also, he threw the intermediate 10-25 yard crossing patterns with velocity where they were actually working. Ponder just doesn’t have the velocity for those routes. Lastly, didn’t turn the ball over. However, that was against a defense that hasn’t forced a single TO all year in four games and we all know Cassel can be a TO machine when it gets bad.

    Personally, and I know this won’t be popular for the gut reaction Monday Morning crowd, I say you give Ponder one more chance. You have nothing to lose. Cassel will not take the Vikings to the Super Bowl (no one will with this atrocious defense). Ponder knows now that every game he starts the rest of the year is potentially his last. It’s always tough to take a guys’ job because of injury (obviously it happens), and it’s just hard for me as a fan to give up on Ponder so quickly into the season because I know what it means if he is a bust. We are that much further from the Super Bowl.

  15. shayeezy says: Sep 30, 2013 9:48 AM

    as a chiefs fan i can tell you that cassel is not the answer, but he can play well on occasion, and this just shows you how bad christian ponder really is.

  16. anarchopurplism says: Sep 30, 2013 9:49 AM

    Based on the “eye test,” Cassel is the better QB right now. If Fraiser cares about his job, he will make the politically palatable decision & go with the “hot hand.”

    Unless Ziggy has given “tanking orders” which is unlikely.

    I think we will find out if Cassel is fluke or not.

  17. hodag54501 says: Sep 30, 2013 9:49 AM

    Cassel vs. Ponder. What is there to ponder?

  18. whatjusthapped says: Sep 30, 2013 9:53 AM

    True franchise Qb’s need to have the support of their head coaches. Once you throw the QB under the bus, there’s no turning back.

    Talent-wise, Ponder lacks a lot to be considered a franchise Qb. But you could say the same of Cassel. So Frazier is faced with a Hobson’s choice. Choose Cassel and go 6-10 with a draft pick outside the top 1o or go with Ponder and finish 4-12 and pick in between 5 – 10 in the draft. Either way, it’s another good year of Peterson wasted as he moves toward the inevitable decline most Rb’s hit at around age 30.

  19. nflpoker says: Sep 30, 2013 9:54 AM

    If Ponder starts when he gets healthy, that just means that this is just the 2.0 version of Childress being joined at the hip with Jackson. Then again, we already know it is like that now anyway.

    Coaches can be so stubborn and refuse to admit that changes are needed to be made and that they have made mistakes.

    I think Ponder has been given enough time to show what he’s made of already. How much more “development” does he need?

    I think he has hit his plateau and it is not very high.

  20. flaccotoboldin says: Sep 30, 2013 9:57 AM

    I honestly think Cassel got a bad rap in Kansas City.

    Their talent on their offensive and defensive lines slipped, and therefore so did the production of Jamaal Charles and then Cassel.

    I think Cassel certainly is good enough to make plays off play action and against a loaded box.

  21. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Sep 30, 2013 10:00 AM

    Cassel had a passer rating of 123.4 yesterday. Ponder has never had a game with a passer rating that high. You have to keep Cassel in there until he inevitably falters, then put Ponder back in to see what he can do.

  22. TBaySlim says: Sep 30, 2013 10:01 AM

    Cassell is not the future, however ponder is nor the present or the future, what cassell showed was decisive decision making, pocket presence, and a strong enough arm to hit recievers in stride. Since we have Cassell signed for a few years i would allow him to start the remaining games, draft a QB next year and release ponder. Then have the new drafted QB sit and let cassell start next year as well. in my opinon ponder should be done, Also remember the steelers were 13th in total defense and 8th against the pass so it was not like they were a push over and cassell performed solid

  23. seatownballers says: Sep 30, 2013 10:02 AM

    Listen to the fans Frazier, you’re gambling at this point

  24. wearethe0and4steelers says: Sep 30, 2013 10:08 AM

    Thank you Vikings for making the Steelers a world wide joke.

  25. jrmbadger says: Sep 30, 2013 10:10 AM

    Cassel isn’t great, but all he has to do is not be stupid and manage the game and he’ll be an improvement.

  26. darkneptune73 says: Sep 30, 2013 10:10 AM

    Ponder is Spielman’s toy, and if Frazier decides to take that away from Spielman, Spielman may throw a tantrum.

  27. shayeezy says: Sep 30, 2013 10:16 AM

    talk about a sophie’s choice

  28. dublindemonszfl says: Sep 30, 2013 10:16 AM

    Weak arm qb with no clue vs a good arm and ability to read a defense. I think Frazier wants to be fired.

  29. jdubkc says: Sep 30, 2013 10:18 AM

    flaccotoboldin says: Sep 30, 2013 9:57 AM

    I honestly think Cassel got a bad rap in Kansas City.

    Their talent on their offensive and defensive lines slipped, and therefore so did the production of Jamaal Charles and then Cassel.
    ___________________
    Jamal Charles
    2009 – 1,120 yds
    2010 – 1,467 yds
    2011 – injured
    2012 – 1,509 yds

    Ever look at Matt’s Int # and Fumble #?
    2009 INT = 16 Fumble = 14
    2012 INT = 12 Fumble = 9

    Talent never slipped, and he didn’t get a bad rap. It’s hard to rally around a crappy QB and Clueless Coaches.
    Herm, Romeo, Haley, etc… what a circus.

  30. thepftpoet says: Sep 30, 2013 10:26 AM

    It was a breath of fresh air seeing a Viking QB be able to throw a solid slant route in single coverage and throw it down field a few times, that’s all we really need with the MVP in our backfield filled with 3 pro bowl offense lineman

    I’m calling it right now, 10-6 this year boys

  31. stevent92 says: Sep 30, 2013 10:29 AM

    I have been a Ponder-backer for a long time, and to some extent, still am. I just have a hard time giving-up on a guy into his 3rd year, when he’s really only a 2nd year starter. Besides, there have been so many other mistakes, especially on defense that show it is not just Ponder that is the problem. We don’t make the playoffs last year without Ponder picking it up a notch down the stretch, which he did.

    However, it is NOT my decision to make, and I will cheer for the Purple irregardless of the decision. Cassel certainly looked good yesterday, the defense certainly looked vulnerable at the end (again), and Cassel sounded reasonable in the postgame interviews, stating that he is 100% behind Ponder should he return. I know he said this KNOWING he just played amazing….

  32. igwaybwekay says: Sep 30, 2013 10:31 AM

    Leslie Frazier better step away from the microphone. He’s getting dengerously close to sounding like Brad Childress, who also refused to throw in the towel on a QB who had no business in the NFL. Does anybody doubt that Christian Ponder’s career is going to turn out just like Tavaris Jackson’s? When he’s done in Minnesota, it will only be short time before the rest of league proves what we’ve known all along… HE CAN’T PLAY IN THE NFL.

    Coach, if you don’t get off the pot soon, you’re gonna get fired, and the new coach who comes in will want to trade Adrian to build a new franchise to his own liking. If it happens, it will be your fault for refusing to take action when you could, and instead sticking with a QB who has proven his lack of worth.

  33. holdsteady76 says: Sep 30, 2013 10:33 AM

    The thing is Cassel threw two passes that should have been picked off during this game and fumbled once which luckily MN recovered. This EASILY could have been a three turnover game.

    Was Cassel decisive in his throws and more accurate than Ponder? Yes. Is Matt Cassel leaps and bounds better than Ponder? No. Cassel is only slightly better than Ponder and both are consistently inconsistent and neither is a bona fide NFL starting QB.

    Vikes will limo through this year and will need to draft one of the top two QB in the draft. Whichever of these two clowns (Ponder or Cassel leads them to six wins (tops) is irrelevant.

  34. jrmbadger says: Sep 30, 2013 10:33 AM

    thepftpoet says:Sep 30, 2013 10:26 AM

    I’m calling it right now, 10-6 this year boys

    =============================
    Let’s not go overboard here, huh?

    Wait until the Vikings beat a team that isn’t considered one of the absolute worst teams in the league (by said teams own Quarterback none the less) before you go throwing out predictions like that…..

  35. ketchupaholic says: Sep 30, 2013 10:37 AM

    The reality is that Cassel played sound football. He distributed the ball well against a Steelers Defense that is known for it’s tenacity. Sure, it’s not the same Steelers defense, but it’s the first time in a long time I’ve seen the Vikings handle a blitzing 3-4 defense that well. You could see Cassel was confident in making audibles, that is something that Ponder has no confidence in. On top of that Cassel has some real zip on the ball. All this adds up to a team that played together well, and it’s about confidence in their field general.

  36. 6kings says: Sep 30, 2013 10:38 AM

    Cassel is minimally qualified to start. Ponder is not.

  37. hanklee1989 says: Sep 30, 2013 10:41 AM

    I thought Cassel played as expected. Wasn’t spectacular, but he didn’t need to be. He put the ball in his playmakers’ hands. He took a shot for Patterson early, and thankfully Cordarelle batted it out of the defender’s hands to prevent a pick. That drive led to a Blair Walsh field goal, so that was a positive.

    Our offensive gameplan looked significantly better. We weren’t overutilizing the playaction bootleg to Rudolph for 3 yards that has become a staple of Ponder’s game. Cassel’s throws had some zip on them, and he wasn’t afraid to put the ball up and let Jennings or Simpson catch it. As a result, Pittsburgh was unable to bring the heat on him all day long, which opened up some lanes for Adrian to pick up 140 yards. This was by far our best offensive game since week 17 last year.

    I don’t see how you take Cassel out after that performance, because Frazier can’t take part in the “tank for Tedy” sweepstakes, unless he wants to watch it from the house. Thankfully the NFC is awful, and somehow we are only 1 game out of the wildcard with a win going into the bye. Come out of the bye with games against Carolina and the Giants, and we could possibly hit the big reset button before our matchup with Green Bay on Sunday night football. I’d ride it out with Cassel, and if anyone wants to give up anything for Ponder, even if it’s a 7th round pick, I’d take it at this point.

  38. fground says: Sep 30, 2013 10:50 AM

    why do most people presume this is Frazier’s decision alone to make?

    Spielman is the one that invested the first round pick and he is Frazier’s boss. It’s been pretty apparent to me for a while that Frazier is touting the company line on Ponder. Spielman has been vocal about how Ponder is progressing as expected and suggesting his stats compare favourably with the likes of Eli Manning and Drew Brees at the same point in the career. Frazier on the other hand was effusive in his praise whenever Webb played and did well against Phil, Wash and Det. He was downright excited before the GB playoff game.

    This is Spielman’s call – not Frazier’s. Unless of course the Wilf brothers step in and say bench Ponder.

  39. kenshalek says: Sep 30, 2013 10:51 AM

    HEY, Look, A balanced offense. Frazier may need a drug test…..

  40. nflpoker says: Sep 30, 2013 10:53 AM

    wearethe0and4steelers says:
    Sep 30, 2013 10:08 AM
    Thank you Vikings for making the Steelers a world wide joke.
    —————————————-
    You’re welcome.

  41. 2ruefan says: Sep 30, 2013 10:55 AM

    This situation in Minnesota is such a Microcosm of how idiotic Fans of football can be. Tiny amount of data, and giant conclusions.

    Three games which the Defense lost in the final seconds by not being able to stop a drive. If they make a play, the team is 3-1, not 1-3. And everyone would be “concerned” about the secondary, but they’d be ranked in top of the NFC as they would be leading the NFC North.

    While there would be grumbling about Ponder, nobody would be INSISTING that he’s finished.

    Cassel plays ONE OK game (He was 6/15 in the first half folks…. and threw balls over, behind and way PAST people and looked very nervous and shaky. He threw a pass to Jennings who ran for 70 yards after. Remember when Ponder did that with Percy? It was considered a fault…..

    And NOW it’s “Ponder if finished”, “Cassel is a star”, Cassel is WAY better”, on and on.

    Get over it folks. BIG picture needed in all situations. Tell me how much you like Cassel after his first loss. You’ll all be calling for Mcleod Bethel Thompson…

  42. 2ruefan says: Sep 30, 2013 11:01 AM

    AND… please don’t forget how Cassel tanked in KC. If you ever read any of the KC blog and posts, Ponder would have been considered Joe Montana compared to him. They HATED him. Thought he was the worst QB know to man.

    Except after that first 10-5 season… then of course…. he was a savior.

    LOL…

  43. duece5 says: Sep 30, 2013 11:16 AM

    It took a good, not a great game by an average QB like Cassel to show the world, but more importantly, our coaches and management-that good QB play is the difference.

    The allure of Ponder is that he has shown flashes.

    But, those flashes should have turned into CONSISTENT QB play this year!

    They haven’t, and it is PAINFULLY obvious that Ponder is NOT starting NFL QB caliber. He is a back-up, a nice guy, smart, etc…..but he is not the answer. He has had 29 games……that is enough.

    He doesn’t have a clock in his head how to move out of the pocket and fell pressure.

    When he is off in his throws, he is ALWAYS high on the toss, and usually is picked off.

    So, let’s turn the page on Ponder and let’s see how far you go with Cassel and MBT this year…..there is nothing left to prove for Ponder…..he just can’t do it consistently, as he is INACCURATE.

    Been a fan for almost 40 years, and have been in Ponder’s corner. But, he was responsible for at least 2 of our 3 losses as far as I am concerned.

    Our backfield on defense is abysmal, not including Smith. My goodness…..Josh Robinson is just plain terrible. i knew he was BAD last year, but he is WORSE. We need Cook and Sanford back just to look average on D.

    Is Erin Henderson a starter on any NFL team except ours? He misses his gaps, and HE CAN’T GET OFF BLOCKS!!! He and Marvin Mitchell have struggled…..it is OBVIOUS!!! Get Bishop more reps…..good grief the linebacker play is TERRIBLE.

  44. hanklee1989 says: Sep 30, 2013 11:17 AM

    I don’t call for MBT now, and I won’t unless injuries ravage us. He would be a better option than someone not on roster simply from a logistic standpoint. But he’s the backup’s backup, and I don’t see any reason to put him in unless we are starting 4-12 in the eye and we are evaluating him to possibly be the backup next season.

    After the Cleveland game and Ponder’s inability to put the ball up with some accuracy, I was ready for Cassel. Cassel got his shot and made the most of it. Pittsburgh isn’t very good, but don’t blame Cassel for taking advantage of a bad defense. His decision making was better, and it looked like he could hang in the pocket without running around taking sacks. Granted, Cassel is a statue compared to Ponder.

    I’m going to support our team and root no matter who is on the field, but I don’t see any reason to punish Cassel after doing something Ponder has had the chance to do this year, and that’s win.

  45. immafubared says: Sep 30, 2013 11:19 AM

    Frazier cannot jump on the Casell band wagon when he was the guy who went out and got Ponder. They will give Ponder another chance. They do not want a controversy. If he flubs up in the next game, then perhaps a change.

  46. taintedsaints2009 says: Sep 30, 2013 11:23 AM

    It’s not even close. Cassel has a nice zip on the ball. Ponders passes sail.

    The offense could instantly tell the difference. Peterson summed it up, and I’m sure Jennings is right on board.

    I was very impressed with cassels arm strength. But you can tell the guy makes dumb plays once in a while.

  47. AD2K5 says: Sep 30, 2013 11:27 AM

    START PONDER. This season is lost. I want to finish 1-15 and have my pick of QBs. Look at the Colts, that is the way to build a team in this era. What is the point of playing Cassell and going 9-7? It does nothing to help this team build for the future. Plus, going 1-15 will have the added benefit of cleaning out the coaching staff. Frazier and Priefer can stay, but Musgrave and Williams have to go.

  48. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Sep 30, 2013 11:30 AM

    Rick Spielman is a Magician says:Sep 30, 2013 10:00 AM

    Cassel had a passer rating of 123.4 yesterday. Ponder has never had a game with a passer rating that high. You have to keep Cassel in there until he inevitably falters, then put Ponder back in to see what he can do.

    ——

    I thought you wanted to see what Ponder could do throughout the course of a whole season and with a full training camp in which to prepare? I guess not…

  49. dannyreneau says: Sep 30, 2013 11:31 AM

    “I would roll with Cassel, Cassel seems to know how to utilize the weapons around him. ”

    So this isn’t the case. Look at KC. The big change on that offense was at QB and all of a sudden that team is on fire. Cassel is deceptive. You think you’re running with a decent QB, but just give him another game to “prove” himself. You’ll be crying for Ponder in no time.

  50. fearthehoody says: Sep 30, 2013 11:34 AM

    Matt Schuab of the NFC

  51. antalicus says: Sep 30, 2013 11:40 AM

    I don’t think it really matters who they start. Either of them would have to have a huge rest of season for them to not draft a QB in the early rounds. I personally would like to see them draft Manziel because he is entertaining as hell and reminds me of Fran Tarkenton.

  52. truvikingfan says: Sep 30, 2013 11:45 AM

    Ok….calm down.

    Let’s look at this thru realistic eyes. Fraziers most immediate, and biggest concern, is that gaping whole we call a defense. Tom Brady couldn’t win with a defense like that. Yes, Jared Allen did wake up, but for one game. The defense as a whole, needs to get better. Giving up an average of 30 points per game is not going to win very many of them. Tackling is a major issue, and needs to be fixed. (Winfield anyone?). If the defense can get fixed, that would help the win column more than who is under center.

    As far as the question that this article brings up, I have always been the type to allow a QB to develop. Defensive schemes, in today’s NFL, are intricate, and confuse many QB’s, veteran or rookie. With that said, I agree with many that Ponder has had his chance, and with 2+ years of film on him, has shown that he is not capable of getting it done,to this point. Keep in mind, he had ‘ol “one hop” McNabb to show him the ropes. Maybe he needs to sit for a while behind a “capable”, and I use that term loosely, QB to learn a little more. Spend some time during the week to strengthen that arm, because, let’s face it, he does have a noodle arm. I’m not saying his future is here with the Vikings, but he may be better served, for his future, to sit.

    Getting back to the team, there are far more pressing needs than who is under center, and without addressing and fixing that, there is no need to debate the QB.

  53. vikesfan4life says: Sep 30, 2013 11:50 AM

    Come on people. Cassel was not a world beater yesterday. He played against an awful, aging Steelers defense. He made some great throws but he also made some absolutely horrific throws much like Ponder has. The key to the game yesterday wasn’t Cassel. The key to the game was the offensive line got their heads out of their a’s and gave Cassel time, he didn’t need to run for his life like Ponder has for the first three games.

    Neither of these guys are going to be successful if our defense continues to be horrific. Cassel played well enough to win but by no means should he be the hands down, no brainer starter.

  54. purpleguy says: Sep 30, 2013 11:52 AM

    Although part of the success was Cassel’s decisiveness, the O-line actually had a good game and gave him some time. Cassel ain’t the long term answer, and he’ll have problems against a better pass rush, but he’s better than Ponder. Regardless of who plays QB, the defensive secondary and Henderson presently make the QB position moot.

  55. obsessedvikingfan says: Sep 30, 2013 12:08 PM

    What team has 2 WR’s that are leading the NFC North in Yards per reception?

    That is correct. The 1969 NFL Champions.

  56. ajschn06 says: Sep 30, 2013 12:10 PM

    I think Cassell should start but QB play isn’t the reason the Vikings were 0-3 heading into this game. They were averaging 27 points a game before putting up 34 against the Steelers despite AP not getting going and horrible pass protection. The defense cost them two late leads when the offense played well enough to win. This isn’t a throw away season for the Vikes just yet…

  57. vavikingfan says: Sep 30, 2013 12:17 PM

    Whoever made the decision on Ponder has got to swallow their pride and move on. Any of us who have managed people have made mistakes and in two weeks no one will care.

  58. nflpoker says: Sep 30, 2013 12:38 PM

    As much as I think Cassel should start, one thing is clear. The defense is offensive, smelling, that is.

  59. katientony says: Sep 30, 2013 12:56 PM

    Nobody needs to review any film. The discussion should center completely around what will happen next year. We all know in our heart of hearts that Cassel is not the answer. So the team needs to decide if they want to spend the remainder the season being COMPLETELY SURE

  60. filthymcnasty1 says: Sep 30, 2013 12:58 PM

    You know what they say about QB controversies. If you have one, you don’t have any.

  61. katientony says: Sep 30, 2013 12:58 PM

    OOOPS! Completely sure that Ponder is not the future OR leave Cassel in and evaluate him as a short term starter. Problem is, if Cassel stays in and the Vikes go like 8 and 8, they will not pick nearly high enough to draft a true franchise QB. Its a tough place to be in.

  62. fargovikesfan says: Sep 30, 2013 1:11 PM

    I don’t think anyone is saying Cassel is Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, but he doesn’t have to be. Give him another shot against Carolina, if he plays well he keeps the job and if he sucks it up you go back to Ponder. Cassel isn’t the long term answer but with AD in the backfield and a semi-competent QB we have a chance (instead of having Joey Harrington 2.0 in under center).

  63. veetan says: Sep 30, 2013 1:29 PM

    Ponder needs to RUN AS FAST AS HE CAN away from this franchise before he gets “tainted” by it.

  64. fargovikesfan says: Sep 30, 2013 1:44 PM

    and also, drafting in the top 5 does not guarantee a franchise QB. For every Manning, Luck, RGIII, etc, there’s 5 Akili Smiths, Joey Harringtons, Ryan Leafs, etc. that completely flame out.

  65. gergie1957 says: Sep 30, 2013 2:00 PM

    By the way Leslie is talking he’s wanting out of Minny pretty badly.

  66. joeyashwi says: Sep 30, 2013 4:46 PM

    1. Ponder must have been ready because the Vikings played him for a total of maybe five drives all preseason.
    2. Cassel is below average yet looks like Aaron Rodgers compared to Ponder.
    3. Gabbert could complete more passes against the eight man in the box defenses that Ponder sees consistently.
    4. The reason the Vikings defense lost the games at the end was because the Ponder led offense couldn’t sustain a drive at the end of the game. Three and outs don’t cut it. (Cassel did the same thing but lucked out)
    5. MBT has possibly the most natural talent at the QB position and should be groomed as such and given a chance.

  67. vikesfansteve says: Sep 30, 2013 5:19 PM

    The Swiss cheese D needs to be fixed. It was nice to see a pass to a WR more than 20 yards in the air and an accurate short pass giving the receivers a chance to run. If there ever was any year to start 0-3 this is the one. Only 1 game out of the wild card. They’ll play Cassel vs Carolina for sure and if they win against the Giants too and if they beat the Giants he will be the starter. Ponder would be a quality backup but he has had a rough career so far even with 10 wins last year. At one point TJAC was 9-2 in his career as a starter and we can all agree he is not very good either. Go after Philip Rivers, take a cue from the Broncos and Saints and get a good free agent QB because the drafting and trying to develope a QB idea hasn’t really worked at too well the last couple of attempts for the Vikes. Either way even if the Vikings are 1-8 they are still the team I route for. Frazier don’t hook your cart to that dead horse Ponder. People forget but even Chilly changed to Ferotte and got Favre. Still unlike what other posters are saying 1-3 isn’t out of it by any means especially this year. This is going to be one of those years that an 8-8 team makes it to the playoffs. Stick with Cassell and then get a free agent starter and draft a QB in the mid rounds or provide Bethel Thompson a quality mentor. Just stick with Cassel for a while and come to the realization that Ponder is pretty good but not a great starter quality QB. He’s had 29 starts to show it and he still can’t hit the receivers in stride on a short pass that Cassel did repeatedly and what Rodgers has done to make the Packers contenders ever year. What the Vikings really need is 2 new corners, and a safety and move Henderson and then start Bishop in the middle and get a quality D coordinator.

  68. tokyosandblaster says: Sep 30, 2013 7:50 PM

    Yeah… 10-6?

    I congratulated on the win, but seriously… this is why dogs in Minnesota shoot their owners.

    You know you’re looking at an 8-8 season at best. I don’t see the Vikes winning even one division game.

  69. urcrap says: Sep 30, 2013 9:20 PM

    Hey Les! It’s a no brainier! Ponder the Ball Wanderer sits as backup, gets a chance to see how a real NFL’r executes at line of scrimmage, decisively puts the ball where it needs to go (past 5 yards), and stays with the play! Give the buggy to Cassy to drive and kick that Defense in the butt!! They did okay but time to stop leaking in the 4th!
    SKOL you sonsaB’s!!!!

  70. wiseguy12 says: Sep 30, 2013 11:38 PM

    In the end, it’s all about putting the players on the field that give you the best chance of winning the game. No one is saying that Cassel is a stud, but he is clearly a better quarterback than Ponder in all respects. The poor coaching and play of the defense doesn’t help but even having a slight edge in the play at quarterback could have made a difference in every game so far.

  71. filthymcnasty1 says: Sep 30, 2013 11:41 PM

    The Vikings look to be formidable on foreign soil this year. However, they look as hapless and tasteless as ever here within the borders of the United Stated of America.

  72. teamnorsecore says: Oct 1, 2013 3:16 AM

    tokyosandblaster says:
    Sep 30, 2013 7:50 PM
    Yeah… 10-6?

    I congratulated on the win, but seriously… this is why dogs in Minnesota shoot their owners.

    You know you’re looking at an 8-8 season at best. I don’t see the Vikes winning even one division game.
    ………..
    So only Packer fans are allowed to be optimistic after a 1 win, in the first quarter of the season? Typical.

  73. tokyosandblaster says: Oct 1, 2013 4:56 PM

    teamnorsecore says:
    Oct 1, 2013 3:16 AM
    tokyosandblaster says:
    Sep 30, 2013 7:50 PM
    Yeah… 10-6?

    I congratulated on the win, but seriously… this is why dogs in Minnesota shoot their owners.

    You know you’re looking at an 8-8 season at best. I don’t see the Vikes winning even one division game.
    ………..
    So only Packer fans are allowed to be optimistic after a 1 win, in the first quarter of the season? Typical.

    —–

    How many teams went from 0-3 to 10-6?

    Find out for me.

  74. teamnorsecore says: Oct 1, 2013 5:22 PM

    tokyosandblaster says:
    Oct 1, 2013 4:56 PM
    teamnorsecore says:
    Oct 1, 2013 3:16 AM
    tokyosandblaster says:
    Sep 30, 2013 7:50 PM
    Yeah… 10-6?

    I congratulated on the win, but seriously… this is why dogs in Minnesota shoot their owners.

    You know you’re looking at an 8-8 season at best. I don’t see the Vikes winning even one division game.
    ………..
    So only Packer fans are allowed to be optimistic after a 1 win, in the first quarter of the season? Typical.

    —–

    How many teams went from 0-3 to 10-6?

    Find out for me.
    ……………..
    How many teams went from 1-2 (soon to be 1-3) to 13-3 or 12-4 like you said the Packers were still gonna be? Find that out for me.

  75. filthymcnasty1 says: Oct 1, 2013 5:55 PM

    The Vikings look like a really bad football team. Just terrible. Their fans are too dumb to realize that a uninspiring win over winless Pittsburgh doesn’t change that.

    Still hapless.

    Still tasteless.

    Sorry.

  76. tokyosandblaster says: Oct 1, 2013 6:15 PM

    teamnorsecore says:
    Oct 1, 2013 5:22 PM
    tokyosandblaster says:
    Oct 1, 2013 4:56 PM
    teamnorsecore says:
    Oct 1, 2013 3:16 AM
    tokyosandblaster says:
    Sep 30, 2013 7:50 PM
    Yeah… 10-6?

    I congratulated on the win, but seriously… this is why dogs in Minnesota shoot their owners.

    You know you’re looking at an 8-8 season at best. I don’t see the Vikes winning even one division game.
    ………..
    So only Packer fans are allowed to be optimistic after a 1 win, in the first quarter of the season? Typical.

    —–

    How many teams went from 0-3 to 10-6?

    Find out for me.
    ……………..
    How many teams went from 1-2 (soon to be 1-3) to 13-3 or 12-4 like you said the Packers were still gonna be? Find that out for me.

    —-

    Well, actually, the Packers were 1-2 last year and *really* ended up 12-4. You’ll count the fail mary as a real catch, because your hatred, anger, and jealousy blind you.

    Also, since you didn’t do as I asked, I’ll tell you. Three teams have begun the season 0-3 and made it to at least 10-6. All of them vastly superior to this Vikings team.

  77. teamnorsecore says: Oct 2, 2013 12:36 AM

    tokyosandblaster says:
    Sep 30, 2013 7:50 PM
    Yeah… 10-6?

    I congratulated on the win, but seriously… this is why dogs in Minnesota shoot their owners.

    You know you’re looking at an 8-8 season at best. I don’t see the Vikes winning even one division game.
    ………..
    So only Packer fans are allowed to be optimistic after a 1 win, in the first quarter of the season? Typical.

    —–

    How many teams went from 0-3 to 10-6?

    Find out for me.
    ……………..
    How many teams went from 1-2 (soon to be 1-3) to 13-3 or 12-4 like you said the Packers were still gonna be? Find that out for me.

    —-

    Well, actually, the Packers were 1-2 last year and *really* ended up 12-4. You’ll count the fail mary as a real catch, because your hatred, anger, and jealousy blind you.

    Also, since you didn’t do as I asked, I’ll tell you. Three teams have begun the season 0-3 and made it to at least 10-6. All of them vastly superior to this Vikings team.
    …………
    I guess I need to frequent 12 sports sites a day like you to find out those facts…..but I have a job so I can’t. Funniets part is you said I have “hatred, anger, and jealousy”………which one of us CONSTANTLY posts on the other’s favorite team ‘s stories on here? Hmmmm….

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