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Nick Saban says draft experts don’t know what they’re talking about

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Nick Saban was in NFL draft rooms as the head coach of the Dolphins and as an assistant coach with the Browns, and he has helped to develop a lot of first-round draft picks during his years as head coach at LSU and Alabama. So Saban knows a lot about how the draft works.

And he says the media analysts whose job is to break down the draft don’t know a lot about how the draft works.

Saban was asked about one of his players, junior left tackle Cyrus Kouandjio, who is viewed as a likely first-round draft pick but has been criticized by some draft analysts for his play early this season. According to Saban, the reality is draft analysts don’t know what Kouandjio’s assignment is on any given play and therefore can’t really assess how well he plays, and said Kouandjio has played very well this season.

“I think a lot of expectations are created with these guys,” Saban said, via AL.com. “I hate it that Mel Kiper and all these guys say this is the No. 1 guy at his position. They don’t even have an idea.”

Saban said draft analysts who think they know how NFL teams view Kouandjio are wrong because NFL teams don’t even begin their evaluations of underclassmen until they declare for the draft.

“And most of the teams haven’t even evaluated them yet when they’re underclassmen,” Saban said. “But what it does create is this expectation that this guy is the best left tackle that ever played the game. So every time he gets beat, well, he isn’t playing very well. But the fact of the matter is, is he still plays pretty well.”

Saban makes some fair points, but so many football fans are so obsessed with the NFL draft that there will always be a market for information about the draft, even if the media analysts don’t know as much as coaches, general managers and scouts. And, of course, the fact that millions of fans are obsessed with football is the reason Saban is a multimillionaire. So he probably shouldn’t complain too much.

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  1. thestrategyexpert says: Oct 4, 2013 7:23 PM

    I agree, but I outperform all of the famous experts. Nick Saban hasn’t analyzed my picks so I still contend that I am a “draft expert” that does know what he’s talking about. Don’t lump me in with all the guys that aren’t as good at it. None of those experts are relevant to me and it doesn’t sound like Saban has proper respect for proper experts, but that’s not fair if he’s not evaluating the very best that there is and simply picking on the famous hacks.

  2. xmiksticky says: Oct 4, 2013 7:24 PM

    Wait wait wait wasn’t it Nick Saban who made ted ginn a top 10 draft pick and he’s the one who is criticizing draft analysis?

  3. primenumber19 says: Oct 4, 2013 7:27 PM

    I hate it when arrogant coaches and gms think they are the only ones who know anything about football. I’m not a gm and I could have told Saban jason Allen was a bad first round pick.

  4. peopletrains says: Oct 4, 2013 7:28 PM

    He’s right. Mel Kiper and Todd McShay are absolute caricatures. The sad part is that it doesn’t stop me from reading their mock drafts every few weeks between February and April.

  5. staffordsyear says: Oct 4, 2013 7:29 PM

    Remember when this guy lied about not goin to bama to the the dolphins..and then went to bama?

    Yea hes doin good down there but that still erks me and I dont care what he says so there.

  6. radrntn says: Oct 4, 2013 7:29 PM

    Nick Saban quote “Rolondo McClain is not only the best linebacker I have ever coached, but the best football player I have ever coached.”

    Not to sure if Nick Saban knows what he is talking about.

  7. sdisme says: Oct 4, 2013 7:31 PM

    Those stupid football media people would probably pick someone like Drew Brees over Daunte Culpepper.

    Ha they simply have no clue, like us Football Coaches.

  8. logicalvoicesays says: Oct 4, 2013 7:31 PM

    Redskins are the only thing that mattter. #HTTR

  9. ibreathefootball says: Oct 4, 2013 7:31 PM

    Nick Saban drafts worst than my grandma, stick a sock in it Saban!

  10. ibreathefootball says: Oct 4, 2013 7:33 PM

    “I hate it that Mel Kiper and all these guys say this is the No. 1 guy at his position. They don’t even have an idea.”

    So they break down each play, analyzing a players every game and motion. But you’re right Saban, they have no idea about these guys. lol

  11. rowdymon says: Oct 4, 2013 7:33 PM

    But Kiper was so high on Jimmy Clausen and Kiper is never wrong.

  12. silverhornet says: Oct 4, 2013 7:35 PM

    He should also acknowledge that college coaches should stay in college because the pro game is vastly different. In college, they don’t have free agent players with medical histories. In college, they don’t get to decide between a free agent quarterback who has a bad shoulder vs trading for a quarterback who has a bad knee. In college, you don’t have to answer to an owner who has invested a lot of money in you to coach his football team and isn’t expecting you to breach your contract because you made the wrong decision on said quarterback.

    Arrogant doesn’t even begin to describe this one.

  13. artvan15 says: Oct 4, 2013 7:39 PM

    Who the hell is Mel Kiper jr ?

    We have been led to believe he is some type of draft guru. Now we find out he doen’t know squat.

  14. shen90 says: Oct 4, 2013 7:39 PM

    @xmiksticky

    Actually it was not Saban who made that pick. It was Cameron. I can’t stand Saban. He is a liar a hypocrite and a flat out pos. However he did not draft Ginn. Saban is the fool who had the nerve to say the NFL treats players like slaves and that players should stay in college as long as possible as a result. He who makes millions upon millions a year for the hard work those young men put in.

  15. finfan87 says: Oct 4, 2013 7:40 PM

    xmiksticky…as much as I hate Saban, I won’t let him be accused of making a decision that was THAT bad. It was Cam Cameron. I recall him listing Ginn’s family as a major reason why they drafted him.

  16. andrewluck12 says: Oct 4, 2013 7:41 PM

    mike mayock is the worst. he’s the ONLY reason i don’t watch TNF.

  17. lingsun54 says: Oct 4, 2013 7:42 PM

    You don’t need to know everyone’s assignment on every play. Overall, you can tell if they can block or tackle or kick or catch the ball or run with the ball or cover a receiver or play QB.

  18. thereisfootballwestofjersey says: Oct 4, 2013 7:44 PM

    Stay thirsty my friends

  19. peytonsneck18 says: Oct 4, 2013 7:45 PM

    Hey logical …no IRG3 articles, i guess his time to shine is out, that didnt take long, doesnt take long to discover a fraud

  20. doe22us says: Oct 4, 2013 7:48 PM

    We all knew that Nick nothin new here, a bunch of blow hards who huff and puff some more.

  21. bennyb82 says: Oct 4, 2013 7:49 PM

    Saban obviously knows how to evaluate talent. How else does he get the best players wherever he goes. It’s not like he is hooking them up with people who line their pockets…hmm

  22. lightninglucci says: Oct 4, 2013 7:51 PM

    “According to Saban, the reality is draft analysts don’t know what Kouandjio’s assignment is on any given play and therefore can’t really assess how well he plays,”

    Wouldn’t that logic apply to all NFL scouts, coaches, and GMs, too?

    Actually, that might explain a lot.

  23. broncostevenp says: Oct 4, 2013 7:53 PM

    Can anyone name me a player out of Bama that has made an impact in the NFL NOT named Julio Jones?

  24. bcgreg says: Oct 4, 2013 7:57 PM

    I see both sides. I think Kiper and McShay are great and provide a “service” for football fans that coaches and GMs don’t. But I also think Saban is right to a degree, regardless of what anyone thinks of Saban, in that these guys don’t know each player’s exact assignment. They don’t have Alabama’s playbook. So, they don’t know specifics. And they are not privy to anyone’s “war room” for the draft. They’re guessing on all of that stuff.

  25. stlunatik says: Oct 4, 2013 8:00 PM

    Roll Tide Roll!
    Undefeated in 2013

  26. irishdodger says: Oct 4, 2013 8:01 PM

    Saban is right. On another note, I can’t wait until he retires and all the networks kiss his a$$ to join their team as an analyst.

  27. bigtrav425 says: Oct 4, 2013 8:02 PM

    I would actually believe him if it involves college football

  28. computojon says: Oct 4, 2013 8:02 PM

    The two most idiotic cacophonic voices on this forum, over and over, are thestrategyexpert and logicalvoicesays. Their screen names are an obvious manifestation of their narcissistic personalities. I wish only the best for them, which they can receive via intensive therapy, medication, incarceration, or some combination of those three.

  29. elchano says: Oct 4, 2013 8:05 PM

    Kipper killed a lot of kids with his analysis but Saban can’t talk abut NFL after his tenure in the Dolphins.
    Draft experts discard players like Welker or Bess and choose ones like crack head Blackmon

  30. jucam1 says: Oct 4, 2013 8:06 PM

    None of you are coaches or GMs so your opinion doesn’t count. Now, some of the media have studied enough and met with enough players and coaches that they do have a good perspective, but as a fan, talking like you have a clue, only makes you sound stupid. All of us have plenty of right to discuss, complain, or even yell when the pick doesn’t work out, but the average fan’s draft analysis is useless and nobody cares… Nick has a point but he also needs to realize that while he is a top flight coach, he can be wrong, and the media needs to relax when the pick they think should be had, didn’t happen. However, fans should shut up until the pick fails or succeeds, if you gad any clue, you would gave put in the hard work and effort it takes to get to a position where you can make those picks instead of sitting on your couch telling us all how much better you can do

  31. thegonz13 says: Oct 4, 2013 8:15 PM

    Sadly, he has a valid point…

  32. pooflingingmonkey says: Oct 4, 2013 8:16 PM

    Coach is right. The drafting experts know nothing. I’m living proof.

    Regards,

    Mark Ingram

  33. faithful209er says: Oct 4, 2013 8:16 PM

    thestrategyexpert says:
    Oct 4, 2013 7:23 PM
    I agree, but I outperform all of the famous experts. Nick Saban hasn’t analyzed my picks so I still contend that I am a “draft expert” that does know what he’s talking about. Don’t lump me in with all the guys that aren’t as good at it. None of those experts are relevant to me and it doesn’t sound like Saban has proper respect for proper experts, but that’s not fair if he’s not evaluating the very best that there is and simply picking on the famous hacks.

    ——————————-

    I can’t believe it, but I finally understand TheStrategyExpert. And I agree with him.

  34. thestrategyexpert says: Oct 4, 2013 8:22 PM

    faithful209er:

    Cool, and first time for everything!

    Also first time anybody has ever called me “cacophonic” as happened above, but I’m not going to list that trait on my resume.

  35. east96st says: Oct 4, 2013 8:22 PM

    “Can anyone name me a player out of Bama that has made an impact in the NFL NOT named Julio Jones?”

    John Hannah, Don Hutson, Joe Namath, Ozzie Newsome, Bart Starr, Dwight Stephenson, Derrick Thomas. All in Canton.

  36. 11inthebox says: Oct 4, 2013 8:24 PM

    Always been lukewarm with Saban. But after this, I love him.

    There’s something to be said about knowing what a guy’s assignment is on every play, and unless you know that, you don’t have a clear idea about his play.

    People like McShay speak to the fantasy football/playstation generation, making them think they actually have a clue. They don’t.

    Love Saban.

  37. faepernick says: Oct 4, 2013 8:27 PM

    andrewluck12 says:

    mike mayock is the worst. he’s the ONLY reason i don’t watch TNF.

    ___________________________

    Mayock is awesome, it’s impossible to truly tell if a player will pan out in the NFL but he makes a ton of solid predictions and always come clean if he blows a performance prediction and underrates a player.

  38. thebirdofprey2 says: Oct 4, 2013 8:32 PM

    McShay and Kiper are clueless. Any fan that follows football can see their analysis and how far off they are each year. Mike Mayock has been the most consistent and he goes deep into the drafts with guys that have potential. I was hard on him that year he said Gabbert was number 1 QB in draft but he’s been right so many times and listening to him talk football you can’t help but learn something.

  39. samapoc says: Oct 4, 2013 8:43 PM

    Pot calling kettle…

  40. jbw2009too says: Oct 4, 2013 8:46 PM

    Hey, don’t pick on Mel. After Matt Millen got rid of his scouting staff, he chose the Kiper favorites for his top draft choices: QB WR WR WR OLB WR T. (One out of six ain’t bad).

  41. afrancis55 says: Oct 4, 2013 8:46 PM

    $aban shouldn’t be talking he’s the one that backed out because the nfl was too hard. In the nfl he can’t use the media and whine his way into the playoffs like he does in the college ranks( See BCS Championship 2011,2012). Also every team has a similar payroll in the nfl so he can’t buy all his talent like he does now at Bama.

  42. gb4mn0 says: Oct 4, 2013 8:56 PM

    The current brain trust in MN is testament to Saben’s point. The Christine Pointdexter pick is solid proof……LMAO!

  43. thegregwitul says: Oct 4, 2013 8:57 PM

    What does Saban having millions of dollars have to do with anything? The man is right; you have talking heads that are often times totally clueless when it comes to the NFL draft. It’s not going to change as the draft is a big time event, but Saban is right on the money in his comments.

  44. tigerphins says: Oct 4, 2013 9:01 PM

    Saban is full of sh** if he thinks NFL teams don’t start assessing underclassmen until after they declare. Perhaps that’s part of why he was a failure in the NFL.

    A nice chunk of the most talented players each draft are underclassmen, so it’d be severe negligence for a team to not begin evaluating those top eligible underclassmen during the season. Not to mention there are numerous references of GMs stating how far back they had been assessing a player they just drafted.

  45. surly1n1nd1anapol1s says: Oct 4, 2013 9:01 PM

    Because he makes a lot of money Saban can’t comment negatively on the state of the media covering his sport? That’s absurd analysis by a media type…and proves Saban’s point (not that MDS realizes as such).

  46. mikejonesforum says: Oct 4, 2013 9:04 PM

    Can you name one future hall of fame player that played under Saban?

    Waiting…

    Waiting…

    Still waiting…

    That’s what I thought!

  47. greenwhodat26 says: Oct 4, 2013 9:05 PM

    I’ve been a diehard fan of the NFL since the age of 5(1989), and I can tell you, as an aspiring Pro-Scout, Kiper Jr., McShay, and Mayock are all Great at their jobs. You are utterly clueless if you think otherwise. They are all wrong all the time, just as the person you see in the mirror daily is. Trust me when I say, they are right about guys almost ten times more than they are wrong about them. Mayock is the better than McShay and Kiper Jr., but they are still very good at their respective jobs. You would be an ignorant know-it-all if you don’t agree.

    These guys STUDY COACHES TAPE, which 90% of you have never even gazed at. They spend endless hours just watching tape of individual players and then form their own opinion about a guy. They come out and don’t agree with your ignorant opinion, and you call the guy an “idiot” for not agreeing with you. Childish, petty, and unintelligent fools. Pot meet kettle. Idiots trying to call others idiots.

  48. whatjusthapped says: Oct 4, 2013 9:10 PM

    Just look at it this way, if Mel Kiper was so smart or so accurate with his draft assessments, don’t you think some owner would hire him as a GM at around 5 million bucks vs whatever he makes on ESPN?

    Mel Kiper is a loud mouth idiot, fortunately that’s his job description at ESPN.

  49. wearethesteelers says: Oct 4, 2013 9:10 PM

    xmiksticky says:
    Oct 4, 2013 7:24 PM
    Wait wait wait wasn’t it Nick Saban who made ted ginn a top 10 draft pick and he’s the one who is criticizing draft analysis?
    ________________________________

    Wasn’t that Cam Cameron?

  50. travishenryskid says: Oct 4, 2013 9:11 PM

    He’s trying to keep his player in check. That’s all. And that’s how this should be taken.

  51. barbeaux says: Oct 4, 2013 9:14 PM

    If he’s talking about espn analysts I completely agree. Mel kipper jr knocks people down if they won’t talk to him. How childish.

  52. ajschn06 says: Oct 4, 2013 9:17 PM

    faepernick says: Oct 4, 2013 8:27 PM

    andrewluck12 says:

    mike mayock is the worst. he’s the ONLY reason i don’t watch TNF.

    ___________________________

    Mayock is awesome, it’s impossible to truly tell if a player will pan out in the NFL but he makes a ton of solid predictions and always come clean if he blows a performance prediction and underrates a player.

    ———————————————————-

    This. Mayock is the ONLY one worth listening to when it comes to draft analysis. Not the best play by play commentator when it comes TNF, but better than most (Billick, Buck, Aikman, Tirico to name a few).

  53. stevent92 says: Oct 4, 2013 9:24 PM

    Every draft expert said that Saban was NOT going to be the next coach at Alabama.

  54. tedmurph says: Oct 4, 2013 9:25 PM

    thestrategyexpert says:Oct 4, 2013 7:23 PM

    I agree, but I outperform all of the famous experts. He’s not evaluating the very best that there is and simply picking on the famous hacks.

    ———————————————————-

    What’s worse, being a famous hack, or a nobody hack?

  55. rcali says: Oct 4, 2013 9:27 PM

    Lot a hate for Kiper and McShay who spend every hour of their day analyzing players. If anything these guys prove how big of a jump it is from college to the pros. Nobody knows what’s going to happen when that kid signs that big contract.

  56. realitycheckbaby says: Oct 4, 2013 9:35 PM

    mixed.

    Carroll and Seattle proves this is correct.

    Harbaugh and San Fran – not so much.

  57. pborden41 says: Oct 4, 2013 9:36 PM

    @xmiksticky: Cam Cameron drafted Ted Ginn, not Saban. Saban’s picks were RB Ronnie Brown (Auburn) in 2005 and DB Jason Allen (Tennessee) in 2006, so your point pretty much still holds.

  58. 34trap says: Oct 4, 2013 10:05 PM

    “xmiksticky says:
    Wait wait wait wasn’t it Nick Saban who made ted ginn a top 10 draft pick and he’s the one who is criticizing draft analysis?”

    Nope. Nick Saban was already gone when the Dolphins drafted Ginn. Randy Mueller was the GM and Cam Cameron was the coach when they drafted Ginn.

  59. saintsfan1111 says: Oct 4, 2013 10:10 PM

    Mel Kiper is an idiot!

    – signed everyone

  60. 9ersruledude says: Oct 4, 2013 10:24 PM

    It in hard to properly evaluate talent when you only play inter-conference games at home or on a neutrals field. Nick’s tide will never play in Michigan, or Ohio or Indiana (Norte Dame) or California or Oklahoma or Oregon so how can you properly evaluate a person who plays in only ideal conditions.

  61. mianfr says: Oct 4, 2013 10:25 PM

    So then he’s blaming himself for not coaching properly?

    I understand where this criticism comes from, but I think it evens out. Yes, we don’t know the route tree of a wide receiver on any given play, but if he’s not getting open and not catching passes for the whole game, he’s probably doing something wrong.

  62. duffer58 says: Oct 4, 2013 10:27 PM

    He is right that Kiper is a complete windbag.

  63. granadafan says: Oct 4, 2013 10:32 PM

    Maybe Saban should explain why all of his running backs are just mediocre (no elites) in the NFL.

  64. 9ersruledude says: Oct 4, 2013 10:37 PM

    It is hard to properly evaluate talent when you only play inter-conference games at home or on a neutral field. Nick’s tide will never play in Michigan, or Ohio or Indiana (Norte Dame) or California or Oklahoma or Oregon so how can you properly evaluate a person who plays in only ideal conditions.?

  65. 202folife says: Oct 4, 2013 10:45 PM

    Oct 4, 2013 7:24 PM
    Wait wait wait wasn’t it Nick Saban who made ted ginn a top 10 draft pick and he’s the one who is criticizing draft analysis?
    ———————————————————-
    Umm, no! It was Cam Cameron who chose Ted Ginn (and juice) the stiff. Although Saban did waste a 1st rd pick on Jason Allen who fizzled out and isn’t in the league anymore.

  66. tfbrown1 says: Oct 4, 2013 10:57 PM

    “I agree, but I outperform all of the famous experts. Nick Saban hasn’t analyzed my picks so I still contend that I am a “draft expert” that does know what he’s talking about. Don’t lump me in with all the guys that aren’t as good at it. None of those experts are relevant to me and it doesn’t sound like Saban has proper respect for proper experts, but that’s not fair if he’s not evaluating the very best that there is and simply picking on the famous hacks.”

    Spoken by a true marketing guy.

  67. msclemons67 says: Oct 4, 2013 11:07 PM

    I think Saban has already demonstrated that he’s clueless about professional football. He should keep his opinions to amateur sports.

  68. halbert53 says: Oct 4, 2013 11:12 PM

    @east 96st, good list but let’s not forget Snake Stabler.

  69. vegasgreek says: Oct 4, 2013 11:16 PM

    Who has the number one recruiting class in the country ? BAMA ! Kiper and McShay don’t know they’re alive both of them are dead from the neck up. If they were so good they would be working in some NFL front office scouting college talent. At least Mayock played in the NFL and has some credibility.

  70. brownnorange00 says: Oct 4, 2013 11:20 PM

    T-Rich is having a career year.

  71. slammincamnewton says: Oct 4, 2013 11:21 PM

    Kiper just sucks as a human being.

  72. sdjay76 says: Oct 4, 2013 11:43 PM

    broncostevenp says: Oct 4, 2013 7:53 PM

    Can anyone name me a player out of Bama that has made an impact in the NFL NOT named Julio Jones?

    who gives a chit? is it his job to make them nfl players or win games at bama?

  73. -Alpha- says: Oct 4, 2013 11:52 PM

    Considering the UTTERLY pathetic drafts Saban had when he coached the Dolphins, he’s got a lot of nerve saying others don’t know what they’re talking about with the draft. They couldn’t have been much worse than you Slick Nick – you weasel.

  74. robertjamis says: Oct 4, 2013 11:54 PM

    Saban is issuing a preemptive strike before the secret gets out- Alabama doesn’t turn out great pros.

  75. squared80 says: Oct 4, 2013 11:59 PM

    Hey, Nick. Great job with the Dolphins. Oh wait.

  76. aljack88 says: Oct 5, 2013 12:00 AM

    east96st says:
    Oct 4, 2013 8:22 PM
    “Can anyone name me a player out of Bama that has made an impact in the NFL NOT named Julio Jones?”

    John Hannah, Don Hutson, Joe Namath, Ozzie Newsome, Bart Starr, Dwight Stephenson, Derrick Thomas. All in Canton.

    ——————————————————–

    Maybe not in Canton, but Lee Roy Jordon made a NFL statement. LT Chris Samuels went to 6 pro bowls.

  77. -Alpha- says: Oct 5, 2013 12:03 AM

    2005 – Ronnie Brown, Matt Roth, Channing Crowder, Travis Daniels, Anthony Alabi, and Kevin Vickerson

    2006 – Jason Allen, Derek Hagan, Joe Toledo, Fred Evans, Rodrique Wright, and Devin Aromashodu

    Wow, Saban….clearly NO ONE could know as much about the draft as you. That’s a bunch of HALL OF FAMERS you picked up before you ran away from the NFL with your tail between your legs. LOSER.

  78. farvite says: Oct 5, 2013 12:15 AM

    Kiper is a genius.

    Why take a job with a team only to be hired and fired every decade?!

    Cash a fat check and work at the same place for decades.

    .. although the ESPN controversy bits are so tired and pathetic he may rethink that.

    Rob Rang is the only other Draftnik I give two hoots about.

  79. piercehuggins says: Oct 5, 2013 12:43 AM

    I love the dummies that come on here and talk about this guy cheated on that and the other doesn’t know anything. Good grief. When you win a few national titles, you can be the first to walk up to Saban and tell him you know what you are talking about and he doesn’t. Until then, the guy standing on top of the hill gets to say what he wants.

  80. ycsmd says: Oct 5, 2013 12:46 AM

    I always wondered how people who never played football could judge a football player! Same for judging which teams are the worthy of going to BCS Bowl or Playoffs! If you never played college football then you should not even be allowed to judge players!

  81. ycsmd says: Oct 5, 2013 12:48 AM

    Play football on that level before you judge it! Don’t like it then YCSMD! lol

  82. baltimoresnativeson says: Oct 5, 2013 12:51 AM

    And saban doesnt know anything about being head coach in the nfl

  83. mulehead70 says: Oct 5, 2013 1:00 AM

    Ryan Leaf is flabbergasted.

  84. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 5, 2013 1:20 AM

    Saban might not know how to draft players, but he sure as hell knows how to recruit them…
    The only position the draftnicks focus on is the quarterback position; beyond that, they all couldn’t care less about the other 21 positions.

  85. onbucky96 says: Oct 5, 2013 2:17 AM

    The Nictator, putting Mel Kiper on blast, DAAAAAMN! Of course Little Nicky is wrong, teams DO scout Juniors in the event they turn pro.

  86. antistratfordian says: Oct 5, 2013 2:25 AM

    Says he who drafted Ronnie Brown, Matt Roth, Jason Allen and Derek Hagan with his first 4 picks of the 2005 and 2006 draft. Ronnie Brown at #2. Jared Allen at 16.

    There are no draft experts. Everyone gets burned and everyone is a genius. We all have our moments.

  87. nyneal says: Oct 5, 2013 3:18 AM

    Nick Saban is a punk and a liar. And, his point is stupid. Why? Because he doesn’t get what guys like Kiper, McShay, and Mayock do for the NFL. They stir interest in the draft and offer their opinions of players most of us have never heard of, even if we watch college football religiously. Are they always right? No. But neither are GM’s of NFL teams who get paid to draft these kids. And — a lot of times, the draft prognosticators help a kid who would otherwise be way under the radar get exposure. So — Saban ought to shut the hell up and keep banking the millions he makes off the backs of the kids he coaches. The bottom line is, anyone who watches film on a player can make an educated opinion of how he will play in the NFL. You don’t have to know what assignment the kid had to be able to see if he can run, if he has good feet, if he can sustain his blocks, if he is strong, if he plays hard on every down, and if he is a smart player. That’s what guys like Kiper, McShay, and Mayock do. And I know this — when I grew up in the 50’s and 60’s, the draft wasn’t even televised and there were 17 rounds in it. Future greats like Bart Starr and Johnny Unitas were drafted in the later rounds and it was a total crapshoot. Today, the fans get a great look at the draft on the NFL Channel and ESPN and guys like Kiper, McShay, and Mayock are partly responsible for that. I love to watch it and think those guys help make it much more interesting — even if they aren’t always right about a kid. And I’ll say this much for the three of them. At least they can speak the English language correctly. That’s more than I can say for most of the former NFL players who get hired as commentators. It’s hard to believe they went to college, the way most of them butcher the English language. Saban ought to pay more attention to that instead of worrying about what draft “experts” are saying. But you and I know better. He couldn’t care less what the kid learns as long as he can play football.

  88. brewdogg says: Oct 5, 2013 3:48 AM

    gb4mn0 says: Oct 4, 2013 8:56 PM

    The current brain trust in MN is testament to Saben’s point. The Christine Pointdexter pick is solid proof……LMAO!
    ——————————–

    Awwww……isn’t that cute. Another Viking-obsessed Packer “owner” feels the need to bring his impotent fury into a thread that has nothing to do with either team. Not that I’m surprised…..

    But here’s the thing, skippy. Saban wasn’t talking about NFL team personnel departments. He was talking about the media’s “experts” like those two self-important weasels that ESPN trots out on a regular basis. I know that reading comprehension is viewed negatively at Lambeau (for much of the same reason that the Catholic church spent centuries keeping the Bible to themselves….) but you really should try to make sure you understand a topic before you run your mouth.

    BTW, how are Datone Jones and Eddie Lacy doing this year? Seems to me they are fitting right in with Nick Perry, Jerel Worthy, Alex Green, Justin Harrell and Brandon Jackson. Hey, next time the Packers burn a first on a tackle, maybe they should make durability a priority…..

  89. dodohead418 says: Oct 5, 2013 4:32 AM

    Isn’t Saban the coach that found out his college gameplan won’t work in the NFL and went back to college football?

  90. rgarritt says: Oct 5, 2013 5:36 AM

    The pundits that take an outside view of a person’s ability to transition to the NFL cannot measure heart. They use their statistical analysis and base it purely on how a player executed at the Division 1 level. The process is filled with holes using this method. Case in point: Tom Brady.

  91. vaphinfan says: Oct 5, 2013 7:35 AM

    Sabans a winner everywhere he goes so I think he knows a bit about football. And anyone on this sight would love to have this guy coach their team.

  92. albinorhino49 says: Oct 5, 2013 7:39 AM

    He may be right in some aspects here. But the draft is a fun time for the NFL. The opinions the stories the DREAM that’s what’s it’s all about. I happen to like that kid Daniel Jeremiah, he just might get a gig someday. Otherwise I think Nick is a snake and wouldn’t trust that dude as far as I could throw an elephant by its tail.

  93. toybkshr says: Oct 5, 2013 7:43 AM

    Saban is right! Of course he failed to mention some of his own boneheaded predictions, such as, as someone above posted Rolando Blackmon.

  94. historyisyourfriend says: Oct 5, 2013 8:24 AM

    As others mentioned, Saban’s NFL experience was get beat down and then quit. So his comments on anything NFL oriented is to be laughed at quite frankly.

    And by the way, I’m not just talking about his head coaching stint in the NFL either. Remember the Browns under Darth Bill? Saban was on that coaching staff and they were terrible there too.

    Stick to college Saban. Leave the NFL and the talk about it to those who didn’t quit on it.

  95. spowell12 says: Oct 5, 2013 8:40 AM

    Saban went with Culpepper over Brees..funny how that is always forgotten.

  96. pspring63 says: Oct 5, 2013 8:45 AM

    Good call on the TNF commentation. Mayock is insipid. Not that he doesn’t know what he’s saying it’s just his flat delivery and affect. As for Nessler, normally I find him steady and enjoyable, but on TNF he doesn’t bring his “A” game.

  97. hehateme2 says: Oct 5, 2013 9:01 AM

    He’s Satan…. that is all.

  98. vaphinfan says: Oct 5, 2013 9:21 AM

    Saban is a winner. He has won everywhere he went icluding when he went 9 – 7 & 7 -7 n miami with an overpaid roster from the previous year. He has the best interests for his players and helps them any way he can even if he has to put his neck on the line for them. If you’ve never coached before then you wouldnt understand and im not referring to coaching little leaguers either.

  99. portcity2013 says: Oct 5, 2013 9:50 AM

    Saban says that NFL personnel do not start evaluating college underclassmen until they have declared for the draft. That makes no sense! At Alabama he doesn’t wait until Kids are seniors in High School to start evaluating them. Saban’s comments help show why he was such a horrible NFL coach.

  100. pigskinaholic says: Oct 5, 2013 10:31 AM

    The fact is that nobody can 100% accurately predict what another man will do with his opportunity in the NFL.

    These guys are still kids while they’re being analyzed and projected to determine when and where they will land.

    Some of them mature and peak earlier than others.

    Sometimes the “experts” just flat out miss.

    John Randle – undrafted
    Tom Brady – 7th round
    Ryan Leaf 2nd overall
    Jamarcus Russell 1st overall

    I could go on

  101. granadafan says: Oct 5, 2013 10:55 AM

    People love to bash the draft pundits like Kiper, McShay, and Mayock. However, we all listen to them. The other so-called draft “experts” don’t do their OWN evaluation of players and simply wait until Kiper comes out with his draft list and go off those players. You know it’s true. Talking heads like Rush Limbaugh, Skip Bayless, and Kiper thrive off the controversy. The more people bash them, the more their egos (and ratings) go up.

    As to Saban, he failed in the NFL because he’s not used to an even playing field. In college he enjoyed a huge disparity of talent, unlimited recruiting budgets, boosters who will give the kids what they want money wise, “schools” who will take care of the little things like fixing grades, etc. In the NFL, it’s all about parity. Saban couldn’t deal the fact that he had to rely solely on his coaching ability. He’s a great teacher of young men, but not so much with grown men.

  102. jollyjoker2 says: Oct 5, 2013 10:56 AM

    It has to be tough drafting unless a guy shows crazy talent. They are all 230 300 lbs and look like monsters. Speed can be measured – but I doubt football drive and instinct can’t. I would be calling coaches to find out instinct…and hope for the rest.

  103. dolphinatic13 says: Oct 5, 2013 11:10 AM

    Even though it pains me to admit it he’s right. Attention Mel Kiper, Tony Manero called and he wants his hair back. Saban did Dolphin Nation dirty with his “I don’t want the Alabama job” fib but he’s a proven winner in the college ranks and should be respected for that. (but boy was he good at telling a lie)

  104. wde2010 says: Oct 5, 2013 11:12 AM

    I have a hard time believing Coach Bear Bryant would like Saban. He thinks his the greatest to ever walk on earth. He thinks he knows everything about everything, I bet he could be a better coach for the ladies’ Volleyball team! He needs to learn he’s a great Coach having a great run at Bama.But, all things come to an end one day. And he doesn’t know more than all the experts about everything!!

  105. pacodawg says: Oct 5, 2013 12:26 PM

    Coach Saban is right he know football. I am an elite back with power, speed, elusiveness and vision. Just look at my impressive numbers.

    T Rich.

  106. dalcow4 says: Oct 5, 2013 12:30 PM

    Sure a lot of the internet draftnicks are merely playing at it, but a lot of draft guys know quite a bit nowadays.

    What Saban doesn’t mention is that most of the bigger name draft guys have lots of scouting connections and they plug into that and write it up.

    Recent draft history is rife with spot on evaluations. Look at Bama’s recent draftees:

    DJ Fluker was evaluated as a great run blocker with some fluidity problems in pass pro, which he might be able to overcome but eventually might end up as a dominating guard instead of a tackle. Fluker has been exactly that.

    And Barrett Jones, Chance Warmack and Eddie Lacy were all pegged correctly.

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