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Frazier says Freeman won’t start this week

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Well, yeah, the Vikings signed a deposed former first-round quarterback in the middle of the season because theirs is a mess.

But they’re not desperate or anything.

Via Chip Scoggins of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Vikings coach Leslie Frazier said that either Christian Ponder or Matt Cassel would start this week against the Panthers, not newcomer Josh Freeman.

He also said that he talked to both his quarterbacks this morning about the move, didn’t think it would disrupt team chemistry, and said that Ponder had a bright future with the team.

Well, one of them better.

Freeman effectively lets them hedge their bets at the position for a year. If Ponder gets offended, plays like crazy and justifies his draft status, then they will have lost only money and the time they spent developing third-stringer McLeod Bethel-Thompson. If Ponder plays to the level where he can reasonably be replaced by a guy off the street, then the moving on was probably inevitable anyway, and Freeman gives them a guy who has shown talent at times in his career.

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  1. onebucplace says: Oct 7, 2013 2:23 PM

    A new QB starting 6 days after you sign him wouldn’t turn out well. Let Freeman have a chance to at least learn the playbook before you trust him into the game — however he is best at making plays after things break down, so he could be useful in Week 1 with that understanding.

    Also if any of you non-Bucs hacks care to know, checkout various local message boards, sports radio, sports writers etc. It’s running about 9-1 that Schiano should have been the one fired, not Freeman.

  2. flapjackdaddy says: Oct 7, 2013 2:31 PM

    Yes, please.

    ~Panthers fan

  3. thegrey7 says: Oct 7, 2013 2:38 PM

    So… did they officially release McBLT?

  4. furnhole says: Oct 7, 2013 2:38 PM

    Take the new team photo quickly, before he becomes disenchanted or over-sleeps.

  5. thepftpoet says: Oct 7, 2013 2:39 PM

    Freeman will ignite the Minnesota Vikings franchise to victory this year.. We finally have our rocket armed, veteran QB who can expose the single coverage Greg Jennings & Cordarelle Patterson gets with defenses stacking 8 in the box to stop AD

    If our defense can step up..Minnesota is definitely a contender

    Plus the NFC north is up for grabs, with the best record being 3-2

  6. runmarshawnrun says: Oct 7, 2013 2:39 PM

    Ponder has a bright future with the team? As what, a position coach? Ponder may not be very good, but he’s not dumb enough to believe that.

  7. kaeprulestheworld says: Oct 7, 2013 2:39 PM

    needs to be Cassel

  8. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Oct 7, 2013 2:40 PM

    God bless Leslie Frazier, he tries so hard to make it sound like everybody is doing great and has a great future with the team.

  9. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Oct 7, 2013 2:43 PM

    Josh Freeman is hardly a guy off the street. If I go outside right now, I bet I won’t find a guy who threw for 4,000 yards and 27 TDs in the NFL last year.

    “Guy off the street” is the name of the Packers’ backup quarterback.

  10. njligernj says: Oct 7, 2013 2:46 PM

    onebucplace says: [[ Also if any of you non-Bucs hacks care to know, checkout various local message boards, sports radio, sports writers etc. It’s running about 9-1 that Schiano should have been the one fired, not Freeman. ]]

    That’s slightly misleading. I would agree that 90%+ want Schiano fired; however 80-90% wanted Freeman benched as well. Very, very few people are pro-Freeman … the majority are both anti-Freeman and anti-Schiano.

    In fact I’d wager at least 80% would have been fine with the GM, coach, entire coaching staff and Freeman all being fired, immediately followed by the Glazers selling the team. They’re all utterly useless.

  11. surfinbird1 says: Oct 7, 2013 2:48 PM

    He’s reading the play book upside down.

  12. skinsfanwill says: Oct 7, 2013 2:53 PM

    Matt Cassel has already proved what he was in KC. He should never be given the starting gig again.

  13. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Oct 7, 2013 2:59 PM

    He also said that he talked to both his quarterbacks this morning about the move, didn’t think it would disrupt team chemistry, and said that Ponder had a bright future with the team.

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    HA HA HA HA HA. Are you telling me he said this with a straight face? Remind me never to buy a used car from this guy!

  14. harrisonhits2 says: Oct 7, 2013 3:01 PM

    Freeman in Tampa Bay – WAAAAA they made me 3rd string QB I WANT OUTTA HERE !!!!!

    Freeman in Minny – WAAAAA they made me 3rd string QB wait what ???

    Lol

  15. filthymcnasty1 says: Oct 7, 2013 3:04 PM

    Wow – the Vikings are incompetence personified.

  16. whatjusthapped says: Oct 7, 2013 3:19 PM

    Ponder has a bright future with the team? as what, a toilet scubber? The guy is horrible and the Vikings should have cut him as soon as they signed Freeman just to save his self confidence in the event he wants to play in Canada or in the Arena Football league. I am not exactly going out on a limb here but he will never play a down for any other NFL franchise other than the Vikings.

    Go ahead and start whoever you want, you are 1-4 and have yet to lose your annual 2 games to the Packers.

  17. Patskrieg dot com says: Oct 7, 2013 3:19 PM

    Matt Cassel’s head has to be spinning right now. You leave the field after leading the best offensive showing the Vikings have managed all season, and without doing anything to lose the starting job you’re 3rd string QB in waiting.

    Frazier sucks.

  18. bk9876 says: Oct 7, 2013 3:21 PM

    Dont be suprised if he doesnt start @NYG (in 3 weeks) either….the knock on him is he has difficulty picking up the playbook…. OOOPS MN.

    A bucs fan who saw enough of JF to know he wont win any Playoff or Super Bowl games.

    Some Bucs fans tried to make excuses for him like ….he had 3 OCs or 3 HCs in 5 years….football is football in its pure essence…you either can execute the game plan or not… its not rocket science. When your QBR is below 40 after 5 seasons…time to hang up the cleats.. Hence why MN, was non-committal to him with a 1 yr (12 game) deal.

  19. mnmark says: Oct 7, 2013 3:28 PM

    MBT to me is an ideal third or even second string qb that has not had the chance with the first string offense. His preseason performance has outdone any of Ponder or Webb’s the past two years.

  20. deltaoracle says: Oct 7, 2013 3:29 PM

    By not naming a starter, they keep opposing defenses off balance – not knowing whether the ball will be sailing over receivers’ heads or skidding at their feet.

  21. obsessedvikingfan says: Oct 7, 2013 3:30 PM

    And Filthy’s count on another Vikings post is:

    1 and counting.

    Last Packer’s post also just 1 and probably no more.

  22. deucedropper says: Oct 7, 2013 3:31 PM

    Ponder, Cassell, AND Freeman?! Minnesota has more #2′s than a pencil factory.

  23. brobokil says: Oct 7, 2013 3:50 PM

    I thought it was pretty funy and ironic for PFT to post a picture of Freeman with McNabb, considering he is going to give us the exact same results.

    Trading one inconsistent but mostly bad QB for another is not an upgrade.

    “If Ponder plays to the level where he can reasonably be replaced by a guy off the street, then the moving on was probably inevitable anyway, and Freeman gives them a guy who has shown talent at times in his career.” – JUST LIKE PONDER!

  24. pillowporkers says: Oct 7, 2013 4:01 PM

    I think if Christian Ponder ever wants to be the starting QB for this team again, he’s going to have to play this week. Clearly the idea here from listening to the press conference is that they don’t want Matt Cassel starting. They want Christian Ponder to be the guy and he’ll likely get one more shot barring this rib injury doesn’t hold him out 2 more games or longer. If he fails on that shot, this is Freeman’s audition to the team the rest of the way. Cassel was signed as a backup and that’s what he’ll be. He was never going to compete with Christian for the starting job. The only way Cassel starts any game other than this weekend is if Freeman and Ponder both get hurt and/or look terrible. I like the move Vikings. Credit them for finally getting some real competition for Christian Ponder.

  25. bucforever says: Oct 7, 2013 4:02 PM

    Good luck Josh . Looks like some one has recognized your potential.

  26. jakethesnake123 says: Oct 7, 2013 4:02 PM

    Vikes will try to trade Ponder but will be lucky to get a ham sandwich for hum.

  27. davetrembley says: Oct 7, 2013 4:04 PM

    Ponder might want to get some advice from Sage Rosenfels. He did an excellent fantastic job in Minnesota holding a clipboard for $4 million a year, and making it look like it was important work.

  28. truths4all says: Oct 7, 2013 4:05 PM

    i can’t wait for Freeman to start his game playing in the lockeroom. Wonder if Peterson and the rest of the team will go along with it or nip it in bud.

  29. doctorrustbelt says: Oct 7, 2013 4:09 PM

    This signing proves that Jacksonville is imroving more than one team in the NFL.

  30. medic406 says: Oct 7, 2013 4:29 PM

    As a Packer fan, this aquisition makes me happy

  31. vikingworldorder says: Oct 7, 2013 4:41 PM

    bk9876 says:

    Some Bucs fans tried to make excuses for him like ….he had 3 OCs or 3 HCs in 5 years….football is football in its pure essence…you either can execute the game plan or not… its not rocket science.

    __________________________________

    Alex Smith also struggled when he first entered the league when he had a different OC almost every year. He’s now 5-0 with a team that went 2-14 last year.

  32. ericbinfordlives says: Oct 7, 2013 4:44 PM

    Frazier will ride out Ponder all year, they refuse to let the guy sit…and this is why Frazier has to go.

  33. wiseguy12 says: Oct 7, 2013 4:46 PM

    Ponder earned his position on the bench and Cassell earned the right to start a second start. If Cassell stumbles Freeman should get his shot. A viable option at QB is something the Vikes have been missing for while. Now how about fixing the secondary.

  34. hotwings4u says: Oct 7, 2013 4:51 PM

    Again, in the Vikings offense, you need a QB that can hit the intermediate-to-long ball because there will be 8-9 guys in the box on many occassions to stop AP.

    The QB doesn’t have to be great…he just has be able to hit the open guy and manage the game. Freeman has a better arm than Ponder plus he is mobile. Cassel has a good arm but not as mobile as Freeman/Ponder.

    It’s a pretty simple concept. Freeman is 6’5, strong, can look over defenders and will have no problems in this offense as long as AP is on the field. He doesnt need to be Peyton Manning

    40 year old Brett Favre almost got Vikings to Super Bowl for god sake.

  35. glac1 says: Oct 7, 2013 5:00 PM

    that smoke I see is from the vikings season going up n flames…. It’s over.

  36. tokyosandblaster says: Oct 7, 2013 5:18 PM

    Lots of people throwing ponder under the bus…which is where ponder would throw the ball if he was trying to hit the bus.

    It doesn’t matter.

    That defense couldn’t stop a college team.

    And yes, the steelers are worse than most college teams.

  37. swedishfish14 says: Oct 7, 2013 5:21 PM

    Ponder has been asked to move to Wide Receiver.

  38. bobnelsonjr says: Oct 7, 2013 5:22 PM

    The vikings sure like these re-tread desperate moves at QB like Spurgon Wynn, Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb, Warren Moon, Sean Salisbury, Jim McMahon, Kelly Holcomb, Jeff George, Todd Bouman, Brooks Bollinger, Gus Freotte, etc.
    Each one welcomed warmly to turn the franchise around.

    I think it is because they draft QB’s like:
    Tarvaris Jackson, Fumblepepper, Ponder, Gino Torretta, Chad May, Tyler Thipgpen, John David Booty, Joe Webb, Christian Ponder, etc.

    The vikings are famous for their QB scouting.

  39. stevent92 says: Oct 7, 2013 5:27 PM

    We should play each of them 1 quarter, and whoever scores the most points gets to play the 4th.

  40. bucrightoff says: Oct 7, 2013 5:35 PM

    You Vikings fans do realize Freeman has been facing 8 man fronts all year from teams trying to stop Doug Martin and he’s inspired with a whopping 46% completion rate right? Just because he can throw it farther than Ponder doesn’t mean he can throw it straighter. Cassel is still the best option to win on that team.

  41. jokendave says: Oct 7, 2013 5:45 PM

    Matt Cassel’s head has to be spinning right now. You leave the field after leading the best offensive showing the Vikings have managed all season, and without doing anything to lose the starting job you’re 3rd string QB in waiting.

    Frazier sucks.
    ———————————————–
    The problem was, that was the best offense all season against an ageing defense that frankly is nothing to brag about any longer. We still had our hands full. I still like Ponder, but its not all about Ponder.
    We have all the talent to go farther and Ponder is not ready yet. He has all the confidence in the world. He just doesn’t have ownership of the line. And until he grabs that ownership, he will be in the same shape.
    I am not sure I like what they did, but I sure don’t want to wait till game five to figure there was a chance and we missed it. Skol Vikings!!!!!

  42. rodh32340 says: Oct 7, 2013 6:01 PM

    Whats their record right now?! Freeman should be able to handoff to AP!

  43. elguardo says: Oct 7, 2013 6:17 PM

    Here is an idea.. every new offensive series have the three stooges draw straws.. by the end of the year we should be well positioned to draft a franchise qb, keep MBT as a #2 and cut all three!

  44. filthymcnasty1 says: Oct 7, 2013 6:32 PM

    They say he lacked professionalism while in Tampa, which means he should be a great fit for MN.

  45. thatswhatimsayin says: Oct 7, 2013 6:38 PM

    I have to credit Rick Spielman for pulling the plug on Ponder. It just didn’t work out. He had multiple chances to prove he could play and didn’t. 12th overall was a reach, obviously. Learn from it and move on. Well wishes to Christian whatever his future holds.

  46. sillec28 says: Oct 7, 2013 7:05 PM

    A change of scenery may be what it takes for Freeman to finally realize his enormous potential. Whatever his problems were, they didn’t start with Schiano though Shiano may have aggravated them. Who knows, Freeman could become another Steve Young – traded by the Bucs in favor of Vinny Testaverde and after that became great.

  47. hotwings4u says: Oct 7, 2013 8:19 PM

    You Vikings fans do realize Freeman has been facing 8 man fronts all year from teams trying to stop Doug Martin and he’s inspired with a whopping 46% completion rate right? Just because he can throw it farther than Ponder doesn’t mean he can throw it straighter. Cassel is still the best option to win on that team.

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    Yeah but Freeman didn’t have the luxury of handing off arguably the greatest RB of all-time. Freeman should have success with Vikings offensive players. I am more concerned about the playcalling. It is more of an issue than anything

  48. norseman69 says: Oct 7, 2013 10:31 PM

    another NFL pressure to be PC… hmmm McNabb?

  49. tokyosandblaster says: Oct 8, 2013 12:37 AM

    hotwings4u says:
    Oct 7, 2013 8:19 PM
    You Vikings fans do realize Freeman has been facing 8 man fronts all year from teams trying to stop Doug Martin and he’s inspired with a whopping 46% completion rate right? Just because he can throw it farther than Ponder doesn’t mean he can throw it straighter. Cassel is still the best option to win on that team.

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    Yeah but Freeman didn’t have the luxury of handing off arguably the greatest RB of all-time.

    Neither has Ponder.

    Peterson without a great fullback = average.

  50. packerenglishmajor says: Oct 8, 2013 7:17 AM

    Ponder has a bright future, um, yeah Leslie, and Musgrave is an innovative playcaller.

  51. jgedgar70 says: Oct 8, 2013 8:27 AM

    Cheer up, Vikes fans. Our defense just made Carson Palmer look 10 years younger. We’ll find a way to give you the game. Even if we’re up 28-0 at halftime, don’t panic. Just let Frazier & Co. make their halftime adjustments and everything will be fine. The Panthers haven’t made a halfime adjustment in 19 seasons, unless you count John Fox’s adjustments of chewing his gum harder and clapping his hands faster.

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