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NFL to meet with Oneida Nation

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On Monday, representatives of the Oneida Indian Nation conducted a symposium in Washington, D.C. regarding the name of the local NFL team. The date and location was aimed at coinciding with the league’s quarterly meetings to be held in Washington.

Per the league office, NFL representatives were unable to attend the event, due to the quarterly meetings. But the NFL will be meeting with representatives of Oneida Nation next month.

In a letter sent Friday, October 4, NFL senior V.P. of labor policy and government affairs Adolpho Birch explained the situation to Peter Carmen, the Chief Operating Officer of Oneida Nation Homelands.

Birch suggested that a meeting be set to occur before the session currently scheduled for November 22. Birch also suggested the meeting occur in Manhattan or Verona, New York, where the Oneida Nation is headquartered.

Likewise, Birch reiterated a willingness to engage in constructive and meaningful dialogue regarding the issue of the Redskins name.

But where will a “constructive and meaningful dialogue” lead? It’s highly unlikely that opponents to the name will eventually decide, after hearing out the NFL, to drop the issue. And owner Daniel Snyder, who has said he’ll never change the name, seems more resolute than ever.

At some point (if he’s not already there), Snyder will become upset that the league is giving credibility to a group that Snyder necessarily believes has none. He is convinced the name isn’t offensive, and efforts by the league to engage those who do will serve only to make those concerns seem more reasonable.

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  1. greg285 says: Oct 7, 2013 2:34 PM

    The 2nd shot across the ‘Bow’ has been fired! First Peter King, then POTUS commented, and now a meetin with the Commiss? Next move? Major network will stop referring to them as the Redakins and will start calling them the Washington Professional football team.. That name change is coming once corporate dollars start disappearing, then and only then will the NFL put pressure on Snyder …

  2. wininer says: Oct 7, 2013 2:36 PM

    I can’t wait till that pompous jerk gets sued and the law forces him to change the name.

  3. ravanator says: Oct 7, 2013 2:37 PM

    The Washington R-Words keep making the news because of their racist name. The Ravens make the news for winning games and superbowls. Change the name already R-Words.

    #ravensamericasteam
    #rg3cleansflaccoshouse

  4. thepftpoet says: Oct 7, 2013 2:41 PM

    I want the Redskins to keep their team name just so the PC police doesn’t get their way like the always do

  5. the3taveren says: Oct 7, 2013 2:47 PM

    One thing that would have helped the Onieda Nation is if they had chose the correct hotel to demonstrate outside of and the same day as the NFL owners meeting. Why choose the Ritz Charlton in Georgetown to hold a demonstration the day before the NFL owners are meeting at the Ritz in downtown DC the following day.

    If you are going to stage a protest to get the owners attention don’t you think you should do it outside of the hotel they are staying at and on the day they are having the meeting instead of the day before and across town.

    HTTR

  6. hummer53 says: Oct 7, 2013 2:48 PM

    How about Red Nation or Red Warriors. and could keep the same colors.

  7. annapterp says: Oct 7, 2013 2:51 PM

    I’m certainly not a Redskin fan and thing Dan Snyder is a donkey, but this is a big waste of time!! The name has been around forever and has been accepted as a football team. Look up the history of why the team is named the Redskins. Its not like they are an expansion team trying to push this name through now! If these people are truly offended by the name of a sports team then they need to grow a thicker skin…whatever color it may be!

    Go Ravens!

  8. wearethesteelers says: Oct 7, 2013 2:52 PM

    Breast cancer awareness: a great cause. It’s too bad the NFL doesn’t actually care about breast cancer awareness. It only cares about money.

    From a business perspective it makes a lot of sense. It does the following:

    I. Garners new female fans, which is essential in their eyes. Women make up more than half of the television market. Statistics show that women viewership of NFL programming has sharply increased since the Crucial Catch marketing program and other programs geared towards women.

    II. Promotes a philanthropic image for the NFL and its partners.

    III. Crucial Catch apparel profits. While the NFL does donate all proceeds from the auctioned player apparel, it refuses to say how much of its Crucial Catch apparel profits go towards the cause.

    In the end, the NFL commits less than one percent of its profits to all of its associated charities.

    Don’t be fooled. While all we see is pink in October, all the NFL sees is green.

  9. onebucplace says: Oct 7, 2013 2:52 PM

    Read the book Empire of the Summer Moon, fascinating history. When you read REAL history and not the PC agenda that is pushed in schools and by this website you start to realize why teams would themselves after Indians. They were fierce advisories, they were to be feared and respected. They weren’t what the PC police would have you believe, a bunch of helpless victims.

    Also, for the 40000th time, the term redskins was given by early “white” settlers due to the red clay that Indians smeared all over their bodies. How awful of the whiteman, they should have called them Native Americans right off the bat and not been so insensitive.

  10. maddogcraig77 says: Oct 7, 2013 2:56 PM

    REDSKINS REDSKINS REDSKINS!!!!!

  11. goodellisruiningtheleague says: Oct 7, 2013 2:56 PM

    Oklahoma is the 20th most extensive and the 28th most populous of the 50 United States. The state’s name is derived from the Choctaw words okla and humma, meaning “red people.”

  12. niko0063 says: Oct 7, 2013 3:01 PM

    How about we all stop being so sensitive…call em the washington pasta eaters, Im Italian…I wont be offended

  13. davyholly says: Oct 7, 2013 3:05 PM

    Shouldn’t they be talking to tribes that actually covered their skin in red pigments? The Oneida tribe never did.

  14. changsteinelgamal says: Oct 7, 2013 3:05 PM

    Snyder will make the decision based on $$$, like any businessman does.

    Today, he obviously feels the name is an asset and not a liability. he can profit on keeping the name, as opposed to losing money keeping it.

    Eventually the circumstance may be that the name is more of a liability than an asset. You can be sure he will be less adamant when it is costing him money.

  15. raiderufan says: Oct 7, 2013 3:14 PM

    This meeting is a complete farce and a joke if only the Oneida nation is represented. The NFL should reach out to other tribes including the ones that love and use the name as a source of pride. Then and only then should anyone even moderately consider these clowns as anything more than a nuisance.

    Cleveland Indians (Is this India?)
    Atlanta Braves (This fighting term doesn’t bother them?)

    I could go on but won’t.

  16. eagles512 says: Oct 7, 2013 3:16 PM

    This obsession needs to stop. Unbelievable

  17. bjtmeyer says: Oct 7, 2013 3:17 PM

    For goodness sake! This name has been used for the last 50 years and people are just now starting to get upset about it? Give me a break! I’m tired of this political correctness BS!

  18. clssylssy says: Oct 7, 2013 3:17 PM

    Why does the NFL presume that the Oneidas are representative and speak for the indigenous people of this nation? And, if you ever spend any time on a rez, you will soon realize that the traditional people do not refer to themselves as “Native Americans”!

  19. azarkhan says: Oct 7, 2013 3:21 PM

    Just the Oneida? Won’t the Mohawk, Seneca, Onondaga, Cayuga and Tuscarora feel left out?

  20. diyhandymantony says: Oct 7, 2013 3:27 PM

    Stupid liberals, the name Redskins is an iconic name and used all over the country as a nickname for highschools where Indian tribes once were. The argument that this somehow offensive is only drummed up in the mind and force fed over and over until people actually believe it. Liberals have got their way in numerous colleges and we can only hope the millions of Redskins fans stand up to this attack and that the owner continues to hold to keep the name his fans love

  21. deucedropper says: Oct 7, 2013 3:28 PM

    People who are offended by the name need to simply stop using it. It’s cowardly to take a position such as: “The ‘X’ word is offensive – forgive me while I continue to say/type/use the ‘X’ word until it is changed/abolished.”

    When everybody’s just calling the team “Washington”, Snyder (or his eventual successor) will have to cave.

  22. udub says: Oct 7, 2013 3:33 PM

    If the Redskins do have to change their name who pays for it?

    Can the NFL force them to change AND make them pay for it all?

  23. colv says: Oct 7, 2013 3:36 PM

    All references to Indian heritage that are connected to any organization other then the first American immigrants (native). should be stricken. Cleveland Indians, Chicago Black Hawks or the Vero Beach High School fighting Indians’ whatever. Anything offensive should change to, Raiders, Buccaneers ect, ect. Oh by the way the native Americans immigrated to this continent too. By way of Alaska when the land masses were connected and closer together many moons ago. History anyone and yes the human species is suspect to being the worst thing to happen to this planet. This argument is simply ridiculous and the downward slide of this nation continues.

  24. kingpel says: Oct 7, 2013 3:39 PM

    Cut em’ a check Snyder.

  25. dickroy says: Oct 7, 2013 3:41 PM

    Please, no Red Nation name. Keep the plural names with the S at the end. Lets not start names like The Nation, Heat, Sun, Sparks, Thunder, and so on.
    I live near the Miami Redskins in Oxford, Ohio and they changed their name to the Miami Red Hawks .

  26. camdenyard says: Oct 7, 2013 3:45 PM

    They will be the Slurskins to me. Snyder can pout and whine but the tide is coming in and he can’t stop it. Might as well make the change while they are still irrelevant.

  27. indytom87 says: Oct 7, 2013 3:45 PM

    Fast forward 25 years..

    The Indianapolic Colts had to change their name today after the State of Indiana, and subsequently the City of Indianapolis had to change their names because Indiana, the name given to pay homage to the Indians, isn’t technically the correct terms to use for Native Americans.

  28. filipinoviking says: Oct 7, 2013 3:47 PM

    It’s just a shakedown, they’re looking for money. If they didn’t have this issue: who are they?

  29. onebucplace says: Oct 7, 2013 3:48 PM

    colv says:
    Oct 7, 2013 3:36 PM
    All references to Indian heritage that are connected to any organization other then the first American immigrants (native). should be stricken. Cleveland Indians, Chicago Black Hawks or the Vero Beach High School fighting Indians’ whatever. Anything offensive should change to, Raiders, Buccaneers ect, ect. Oh by the way the native Americans immigrated to this continent too. By way of Alaska when the land masses were connected and closer together many moons ago. History anyone and yes the human species is suspect to being the worst thing to happen to this planet. This argument is simply ridiculous and the downward slide of this nation continues.

    ———–

    Actually Indians believe that they developed independently and are not of Asian decent. Newer science is saying that might not be untrue and the Alaskan land-bridge, while responsible for some of the settlements in America might not be the only thing responsible. Doesn’t have a bit to do with this headline or story but it’s interesting reading since if Indians didn’t come from Asia where did they come from?

  30. pskotte says: Oct 7, 2013 3:55 PM

    Obama lived in Chicago and put up with the nickname “Blackhawks” for over twenty years without a whimper. He is very selective and inconsistent about which names outrage him. Anybody who is not a Redskins fan has no right to an opinion on a name change. BTW we don’t need big government to micromanage our sports nicknames.

  31. cmm10304 says: Oct 7, 2013 3:57 PM

    I’ve seen this game run before, all the Oneida nation wants is a piece of the pie. They are tired of the govt cheese and now they want some corporate cheese!

  32. phillytj says: Oct 7, 2013 4:00 PM

    I hope Snyder never changes it. He shouldn’t have to – this whole thing is absolutely ridiculous.

    Good breast cancer point by the steelers fan about 20 posts up too.

  33. skins1970 says: Oct 7, 2013 4:06 PM

    Please make this issue go away, I don’t know anyone that is offended by the name.

  34. doctorrustbelt says: Oct 7, 2013 4:07 PM

    The NFL is probably allowed to right off $1,000,000,000 thru donating advertising time to charities.

    I bet it’s just another tax loophole.

  35. hyprcaffeinated says: Oct 7, 2013 4:08 PM

    I’m offended by the name “Cowboys” as it represents a culture that tortures animals. Rides bulls, drives cattle, ties calves and steer.

    Goodell said if one person is offended, he has to listen. I’m one person. But without the bankroll or ability to garner the publicity that Oneida nation can.

    Jerry Jones needs to listen and change the team name to something with a less violent background.

  36. sactogary says: Oct 7, 2013 4:10 PM

    Well, inroads have been made. The media has convinced a once-proud people that, not only were their ancestors victims of white settlers (which is true, of course), but now they are victims of corporations who refer to them by using a word that some people find unkind.

    The words redskin and Indian were originally used because some term was needed by the colonizing Europeans to refer to the indigenous peoples as a whole, rather than listing each tribal nation individually. I’m guessing the more educated ones felt silly calling them Indians, since India was in no way involved.

  37. sparky151 says: Oct 7, 2013 4:13 PM

    Snyder should nip this in the bud (did I just offend Japanese-Americans) by telling the NFL to butt out. They owe him a lot after he dropped his lawsuit over the cap sanctions. He’s made plenty of general statements assuring the public that he has no intention of offering offense. That’s sufficient. He’s under no obligation to guarantee that nobody at any time is unoffended by his team’s name.

  38. andypro18 says: Oct 7, 2013 4:31 PM

    The reason liberals like the ‘offense culture’ is that it is undefinable. They have a lot of trouble with things that are black and white and can be reasoned out with logic and facts.

    How do we define ‘offensive’? Most times we can’t, and that’s where propaganda comes in. For example, if I said that I was religious and therefore I am offended by the New Jersey Devils, the same people who are crying for the Redskins to change their name would tell me I was an fanatic and that if I didn’t like the name then I just shouldn’t watch or support the team.

    If I was Snyder, I would just say that there is no constitutional right not to be offended, and since the organization doesn’t intend offense, then any offense taken is purely the choice to be offended by those who claim that they are. Simple.

  39. keltictim says: Oct 7, 2013 4:44 PM

    This stinks of a legal shakedown

  40. 2jivecrew says: Oct 7, 2013 4:44 PM

    He is convinced the name isn’t offensive, and efforts by the league to engage those who do will serve only to make those concerns seem more reasonable.

    ——————————

    You wish. The decision belongs to one man. And Roger Goodell is an employee of that man…….lest you think Goodell has any authority in this instance. This is starting to look like a cash grab by the Oneida Nation.

    And i’ve yet to hear anybody offer up an explanation as to why a businessman would make the very identity of his buisiness something he’s supposedly trying to disparage. makes no sense. But then, Politically Correct seldom does make any sense.

  41. kremis says: Oct 7, 2013 4:56 PM

    I thought Oneida was a type of potato masher, don’t they also mash redskin potatoes?

  42. ttommytom says: Oct 7, 2013 4:58 PM

    Snyder is looking for any way to be a hero to the fan base.The same fan base that dislikes the disaster that has been Dan Snyder.

    So he looks like one of the many, trying to save the beloved name. If the Redskins never win it all, Snyder has the lack of a name change to hang his legacy on. An American hero…

  43. panthers34 says: Oct 7, 2013 5:00 PM

    Guys, they should change the name. Its full of noble savage imagery, i.e. “its ok because native americans were a valiant enemy who we respected while we wiped them out.” The only reason the league can get away with it is because it is so powerful, not because all native americans are cool with it. I still don’t get how the Cleveland Indians keep their logo, it looks like a civil war era political cartoon.

  44. realitypolice says: Oct 7, 2013 5:07 PM

    Why would the Redskins meet with a company that makes silverware?

  45. thunderskins007 says: Oct 7, 2013 5:10 PM

    this is starting to annoy me. you know what change the name. change it to something totally unrelated to anything native American. and when the time comes that we can relocate lets take the team out of DC. if only America put the same effort into a topic that really matters we would be a much better country. I think redskin fans should dress up as native americans in the stadium and paint their faces red. but I guess that would be offensive to some. only in todays world can the giants be 0-5 and eli look like the worst QB ever with an nfl record most turnovers by a player since he has been in the league and all pft wants to do is beat their drum on the redskins team name every day sometimes twice a day.

  46. paulitik74 says: Oct 7, 2013 5:12 PM

    Considering Snyder has sued his critics for anti-semitism (the Washington City Paper), he doesn’t have a leg to stand on in this case. Time for his team to come on into the 21st century,

  47. thebadguyswon says: Oct 7, 2013 5:13 PM

    Wow….And here I thought this country was founded on freedom of speech. Silly me.

  48. steaderic says: Oct 7, 2013 5:15 PM

    “At some point (if he’s not already there), Snyder will become upset that the league is giving credibility to a group that Snyder necessarily believes has none. He is convinced the name isn’t offensive, and efforts by the league to engage those who do will serve only to make those concerns seem more reasonable.”
    =======
    Or…
    Snyder will provide the NFL every piece of team history he has. Every document, every handwritten note, every photograph he has that concretely explains that the team name was chosen as an honor and is no way a racial slur. He could also send along every document from the many native groups who support him and the Redskins name. Maybe the Oneida will walk away better for having learned something.

  49. thegreatgabbert says: Oct 7, 2013 5:15 PM

    No one heard of the “Oneida Nation” before this. Aside from the 12 individuals who comprimise it.

  50. stlluna7 says: Oct 7, 2013 5:15 PM

    Kalio. Please do not be a shameless shill. You actually think that we cannot see that the question was purposely asked of him. lol ObamaAutomatons.

  51. artiesliver says: Oct 7, 2013 5:16 PM

    New England has the best name…Patriots! If you don’t like then you’re a pinko commie! :) I can hear Archie Bunkers voice now saying that.

  52. diyhandymantony says: Oct 7, 2013 5:22 PM

    • As someone that’s grown up in the Washington DC area and still lives here today (60 years), I feel more strongly about this issue than I probably would otherwise.
    First, let me say that I honestly did not know that the term was a racial slur until this debate gained momentum. Has this term been used past the 18th century? I certainly haven’t heard anyone use it to refer to anything other than the football team. I think I would feel differently if it was still being perpetrated, but I’ve yet to hear anyone make that argument.
    I also don’t think the Redskins franchise encourages use of the term or makes light of any Native American tradition. Has the term experienced a sudden revival since the team was founded? Does the team create cheers, merchandise or collateral that trivializes any group? Did they not change the fight song lyrics years ago?
    Shouldn’t we be more focused on changing behaviors like the Tomahawk Chop? Or Florida State’s pregame ritual of a person dressed in full Native American garb riding in on a horse and planting a flaming spear in the ground? I mean…really?
    Why isn’t more time and energy being focused on use of the n-word in popular music?

  53. dannyc420 says: Oct 7, 2013 5:23 PM

    They should just change their name to the Washington Gingers. I wouldn’t be offended and they could keep their colors.

  54. tcril says: Oct 7, 2013 5:26 PM

    The beauty of the First Amendment is we have the right to free speech. Nowhere is it written that we have the right to not be ‘offended’. If enough folks saw “Redskins” in a negative light, the team would re-brand itself. That OTHER American concept (Free Enterprise) is what should govern the naming of the Washington, DC NFL team, not a small gaggle of politically hypersensitive twits.

  55. philahitman says: Oct 7, 2013 5:27 PM

    Maybe hearin this “storied” team name in its actual context would clear it up… “Thats right you dirty redskin, she don’t want no animal like you.” This is taken directly from a popular wetsern. Sound offensive yet whitey?

  56. onebucplace says: Oct 7, 2013 5:41 PM

    diyhandymantony says:
    Oct 7, 2013 5:22 PM
    …. Or Florida State’s pregame ritual of a person dressed in full Native American garb riding in on a horse and planting a flaming spear in the ground? I mean…really?

    ————-

    I fully support the Redskins and their name, but no need to bring FSU into the mix. The Seminole tribe has been on-board with everything from the name, the logo and the pregame activities from the time it was created. Someone that points fingers at others when they instead have a legitimate case to make reeks of being insecure and unintelligent.

  57. logicalvoiceseys says: Oct 7, 2013 5:42 PM

    Welcome to the 21st century Redskins

    #changethename

  58. rodh32340 says: Oct 7, 2013 5:52 PM

    Lets just call them the Washington Casinos!

  59. barbeaux says: Oct 7, 2013 5:59 PM

    Sorry, but redskins just isnt the same type of word as indians, braves, blackhawks etc. redskins was used as a slur so complaints about how it’s affect teams bearing those names is false.

  60. chawk12thman says: Oct 7, 2013 6:00 PM

    There is more than one Native American Tribe that may take offense. Sure they can talk to the one surrounding Washington D.C. but what about including the rest of the Native American Tribes in the U.S. where this team plays?

    Slippery Slope the NFL is starting down.

  61. philahitman says: Oct 7, 2013 6:04 PM

    Im really suprised Snyders’ pennyskins dont wanna change the name to sell lots of extra merchandise.

  62. philahitman says: Oct 7, 2013 6:05 PM

    “Slippery Slope the NFL is starting down.” …how so? Now all those other teams with racial slurs for names will be next??? Tool.

  63. fubar5150 says: Oct 7, 2013 6:17 PM

    I chink it would be a gook idea if they flipin changed the name. Signed the wops # get
    Over it

  64. chawk12thman says: Oct 7, 2013 6:19 PM

    “Slippery” in that they won’t be able to put the Genie back in the bottle……..I happen to be an American Native from another tribe. I am actually not offended by the name, but understand how it is being used in this context. Others’ are offended and some from my own Tribe. My point was that the NFL is now starting down a slippery slope that they won’t be able to contain and this issue will become a bigger distraction and blemish on their “shield”. Wasn’t taking a stand on the actual issue. Sorry if I wasn’t clear.

  65. captainphintastic says: Oct 7, 2013 6:22 PM

    REDSKINS! REDSKINS! REDSKINS!

    I hope that offends as many people as possible. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. If you did read it, and are offended, GET OVER IT!

  66. eightandeightlions says: Oct 7, 2013 6:24 PM

    When is the meeting with J Webb Nation?

  67. georgewashingtonsghost says: Oct 7, 2013 6:31 PM

    This issue really comes down to whether the term “Redskin” is racially insensitive.
    I honestly don’t know and would like to hear from Native Americans in this. It’s one thing for a mascot to offend someone’s beliefs (such as the facetious examples of the Cowboys and Devils) but it’s something entirely else if a mascot offends someone’s race. Again, I’m not saying that “Redskins” falls in that category, but if it does, I think it should go.

  68. bjsdad says: Oct 7, 2013 6:38 PM

    Oneida ……

    o needa casino

  69. fordhamlit says: Oct 7, 2013 7:05 PM

    This is a shake down, pure and simple.

    An attempt to bully a private business into changing its name against the preference of both the owner and customers of that business.

    Transparent and pathetic.

  70. chief67b says: Oct 7, 2013 7:22 PM

    Just change the mascot to a red potato. Clears everything up!

  71. therolandobottom says: Oct 7, 2013 7:44 PM

    The only nation is the Raider Nation.

  72. mdpgc says: Oct 7, 2013 7:51 PM

    REDSKINS REDSKINS REDSKINS!!!!!
    (In my Jan Brady voice…haha LOL)

  73. gzinn18631 says: Oct 7, 2013 8:16 PM

    The funny thing is, the people on here wanting the name changed, never thought twice about it last year when this was not an issue. Find something more important to protest. How about circumcisions. They did that to me when i was a baby. I couldn’t walk for a year!

  74. cherrybop says: Oct 7, 2013 8:36 PM

    You’re mocking the culture you [specifically: European-American] that you destroyed, and you have to ask why the name change?

    People also wonder why the folks so aggressive about it too.

  75. gibbsandflair says: Oct 7, 2013 8:52 PM

    Tony Dungy thinks the name Redskins made his son hang himself

  76. jvseahawk says: Oct 7, 2013 11:11 PM

    This is how the left gets their way. They nag and nag until people get so sick of hearing them they just give them what they want.

  77. shatho1 says: Oct 8, 2013 12:45 AM

    if the redskins do change their name because of Oneida Nation they will still be the redskins to me cuz its been around so many years without being offensive til just a few years ago. …BTW I’m a Cowboys fan! get over it Oneida this is just a publicity stunt to get ur Nation noticed

  78. skinsfolife says: Oct 8, 2013 6:02 AM

    When they make Snyder change the name I will no longer watch/support the NFL in any capacity. I am no longer going to read/support this site because of floorio’s stance on this matter.

  79. gmsingh says: Oct 8, 2013 7:39 AM

    pskotte says:
    Oct 7, 2013 3:55 PM
    Obama lived in Chicago and put up with the nickname “Blackhawks” for over twenty years without a whimper.

    Who are the morons that gave this a thumb’s up? Blackhawks are an Indian chief. That’s not offensive. “Redskins” is offensive to some people. Hell, most of the athletes are black, why not “Blackskins”? Which one of the morons thinks this name would be okay? Morons.

  80. nebster21 says: Oct 8, 2013 9:51 AM

    Why does Floor have so much hatred for the Redskins? Did the Redskins rape you as a child Floor? Did the Redskins run out on you and your mother Floor? I just do not understand why you have so much hatred for them. Is it because they call you out when you are wrong? Is it because you rip news off of their message boards? Why are you so mad at them?

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