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Vikings view Freeman acquisition as no-lose proposition

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The NFL has two types of teams — those with franchise quarterbacks and those who are looking for franchise quarterbacks.

The Vikings’ decision to sign Josh Freeman tells us they are searching for a franchise quarterback.  Which means they didn’t already have a franchise quarterback.  (Which anyone paying attention already knew.)

While on the surface it may appear to be an all-in effort to win now, a league source tells PFT that the Vikings view it as an opportunity to find out whether any of the quarterbacks currently on the roster can become the answer at the position beyond this year.

Competition tends to bring out the best or the worst in people; the Vikings plan to see which, if any, of the quarterbacks rise up to the challenge and play like a guy who can hold the job.

This ultimately provides the Vikings with an exclusive 12-week window to assess Freeman.  How does he practice?  How does he conduct himself away from the field?  How does he play?

Through it all, they’ll be assessing the other quarterbacks in order to decide which one should be the quarterback for the rest of this year, and next year.  And the next.

There’s a chance none will step up.  Which at least will tell the Vikings they need to step in a different direction come 2014.

And if the Vikings decide not to keep Freeman, they will have paid $2 million for the chance at closely evaluating a potential 10-year franchise quarterback.  If/when he signs elsewhere, his departure will factor into the convoluted formula for determining compensatory draft picks, setting the Vikings up for some extra selections based on other free-agency gains and losses.

It remains to be seen how the arrival of Freeman will impact the rest of the team.  Per the source, the players were not consulted prior to the move.  After Freeman made his decision, coach Leslie Frazier and G.M. Rick Spielman separately spoke with all of the quarterbacks, who understandably were “a little shocked” by the news.

Moving forward, the Vikings will decide which of the four to keep on the roster, with a trade of any of the quarterbacks unlikely.  (At least until Spielman declares there’s “no intent” to make a trade.)

Freeman, we’re told by multiple sources, was promised nothing other than a chance.  If he plays his way onto the field, he’ll have a Hall of Fame running back and an above-average corps of pass-catchers to help him be more like the guy he was, before he fell out of favor in Tampa.

“I don’t know what happened down there, and I’m not concerned about it,” Spielman tells Peter King of TheMMQB.com regarding Freeman’s Tampa tenure.  “We’ve done our due diligence, and we came away with no issues.”

They also may have come away with a 25-year-old franchise quarterback.  And that 25-year-old franchise quarterback could be Freeman — or in theory it could be Ponder.

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100 Responses to “Vikings view Freeman acquisition as no-lose proposition”
  1. chiadam says: Oct 8, 2013 1:37 PM

    No-lose is exactly what it is. Except for losing football games. But other than that, no-lose.

  2. tinbender2000 says: Oct 8, 2013 1:38 PM

    “And that 25-year-old franchise quarterback could be Freeman — or in theory it could be Ponder.”

    It could be Ponder- in theory only.

  3. trollsetter says: Oct 8, 2013 1:39 PM

    Oh, it’s not Ponder. Sheesh.

  4. stigman2012 says: Oct 8, 2013 1:39 PM

    And they would be wrong.

  5. ma5terbla5t3r says: Oct 8, 2013 1:40 PM

    Pick any quarterback on the Vikings and he will beet the Packers. Any one of these guys could do better than Rogers in the Packers’ system, so it’s obveous that the Vikings will crush the Packers.

  6. peopletrains says: Oct 8, 2013 1:40 PM

    Release Ponder or Cassel… make Freeman the starter. The three-headed monster at QB is a mess and the way the Vikings have handled their QB situation is embarrassing.

  7. jdubkc says: Oct 8, 2013 1:40 PM

    So the third string gets paid more than the 2nd, and the 2nd more than the 1st? The 1st and 2nd may or may not have a job depending on if the 3rd is better than the 1st and/or 2nd… got it.

  8. vikingworldorder says: Oct 8, 2013 1:40 PM

    “or in theory it could be Ponder.”

    HA

  9. shaggyjeff says: Oct 8, 2013 1:41 PM

    Very smart move by the Vikings — Bucs fan

    Please fire Schiano !

  10. nflpoker says: Oct 8, 2013 1:41 PM

    It should be against the law for someone to put the words “Ponder” and “Franchise” together in the same sentence.

  11. silverandblackfan77 says: Oct 8, 2013 1:43 PM

    Any QB with AP in the back field their job becomes way easier

  12. purpwalk says: Oct 8, 2013 1:45 PM

    low risk for potential

  13. realitypolice says: Oct 8, 2013 1:46 PM

    The stunning part of that article to me is that Freeman got $2 million for a 3/4 season contract.

    The veteran minimum can’t be that high, can it? Are you saying there was some sort of bidding war?

  14. jdubkc says: Oct 8, 2013 1:53 PM

    Rick Spielman: Hey Les

    Leslie Frazier: Yea bud?

    Rick: Did you hear the good news?!!

    Leslie: What, What?!!! Tell me?

    Rick: Matt Flynn is available!!!!

    Leslie: OMG! I’ll call him now.

  15. nflpoker says: Oct 8, 2013 1:54 PM

    vikingworldorder says:
    Oct 8, 2013 1:40 PM
    “or in theory it could be Ponder.”

    HA
    ———————————————-
    If he was the franchise QB, you think he would have proved it by now.

  16. harrisonhits2 says: Oct 8, 2013 1:55 PM

    This ultimately provides the Vikings with an exclusive 12-week window to assess Freeman. How does he practice? How does he conduct himself away from the field? How does he play?
    __________________________

    Don’t know the answer about how he practices, but off field he’s a spoiled baby and he’s played like crap for quite awhile now.

    At this point I doubt Freeman is the answer for any NFL team.

  17. katientony says: Oct 8, 2013 1:56 PM

    I hope Cassel gets the start next game. He earned it. I also hope that I dont have to sit throught another Ponder start. Once those two conditions are met, I dont care what happens after that. Keep in the guy who is winning!

  18. justinsdailypay says: Oct 8, 2013 1:58 PM

    Freeman will have every chance to take this Job. The writing is on the wall and as soon as they are comfortable with his knowledge of the Playbook, he will start, regardless of the “Ponder” is our starter bit. I under stand the strategy on not giving other teams an idea of what you are doing, but, it does get old hearing the pre scripted responses and vanilla answers. The Vikings would not have done this if they are NOT moving on from Ponder, one way or another.

  19. mn1288 says: Oct 8, 2013 2:00 PM

    ma5terbla5t3r says:
    Oct 8, 2013 1:40 PM
    Pick any quarterback on the Vikings and he will beet the Packers. Any one of these guys could do better than Rogers in the Packers’ system, so it’s obveous that the Vikings will crush the Packers.

    —————————-

    Please enlighten us how they would perform better in the Packer’s system…The one with (per most MN fans) inferior tight ends, O-Line, running backs, and WRs.

    Looking forward to the response on this one.

  20. peterawrhatred says: Oct 8, 2013 2:01 PM

    ma5terbla5t3r says:
    Oct 8, 2013 1:40 PM
    Pick any quarterback on the Vikings and he will beet the Packers. Any one of these guys could do better than Rogers in the Packers’ system, so it’s obveous that the Vikings will crush the Packers.

    —————-

    Like joe Webb?

  21. surfinbird1 says: Oct 8, 2013 2:01 PM

    Better start weedin’ these guys out. Not good for the locker room.

  22. allday28mvpmvp says: Oct 8, 2013 2:02 PM

    Freeman is a big athletic QB, if u take away this season, he has a great body of work in the NFL.
    This guy is only 25 years old too!
    Great TD to INT ratio. I expect him to be the Vikings starting QB in the near future

  23. brassknuckles47 says: Oct 8, 2013 2:02 PM

    Let me see if I have this correct…….according to paragraphs 3 thru 5, in the end, the Vikings are paying $4 this year to see if Ponder or Cassel can ‘step up’, or not? I have witnessed many incredible business moves in various industries, but is this the stupidest of STUPID? What Is Wrong With This Picture?

  24. metalhead65 says: Oct 8, 2013 2:03 PM

    what has freeman done that even suggests he is a franchise qb? seems to me he is no better than what they have and that is guys who are average to good but inconsistent. when was the last time any of them had more than a good game or 2 in a row? freeman already has gotten 1 coach fired and decided he did not want to play for his other coach so what makes you think he is going to turn into a franchise qb in 12 weeks? ponder is young and still learning, the vikings are more concerned with him not screwing things up than actually letting him use his athleticism that made him thier first round pick. just handing the ball off to peterson and throwing short passes is not going to make him a great qb. when they fall behind they act shocked he doesn’t just turn it on and lead them back. Cassell is a good back up and nothing else.

  25. raiderlyfe510 says: Oct 8, 2013 2:09 PM

    Has Bill Musgrave ever developed a QB before??? What a dumb move by Freeman.

  26. danoj14 says: Oct 8, 2013 2:10 PM

    metalhead65 says:
    Oct 8, 2013 2:03 PM
    what has freeman done that even suggests he is a franchise qb?

    ————————————————————-

    Well, there was that 4,000 yards passing and 27 td’s and a Pro Bowl….

  27. danoj14 says: Oct 8, 2013 2:13 PM

    raiderlyfe510 says:
    Oct 8, 2013 2:09 PM
    Has Bill Musgrave ever developed a QB before??? What a dumb move by Freeman.

    ———————————————————–

    Matt Ryan seems to be doing ok

  28. worst2first99 says: Oct 8, 2013 2:18 PM

    Does Minny have a good bar scene? Thats where Freeman spends his free time

  29. worst2first99 says: Oct 8, 2013 2:18 PM

    danoj14 says: Oct 8, 2013 2:10 PM

    metalhead65 says:
    Oct 8, 2013 2:03 PM
    what has freeman done that even suggests he is a franchise qb?

    ————————————————————-

    Well, there was that 4,000 yards passing and 27 td’s and a Pro Bowl….

    Hes won the same amount of playoff games as he’s been in.. ZERO

  30. ma5terbla5t3r says: Oct 8, 2013 2:19 PM

    mn1288 –

    The Vikings are beter at every skil position, but Frasier is a bad coach. Giving the ball to Pederson over and over again doesn’t open up the passing game. It’s like the opposite affect of Rodgers – no running game, great passing game. the Vikings is the other way around. Their is no denying that the Packers have a good system, but Rogers is overated. He is constantly lucky and baled out be his recevers and pro-Packers refs. One push off after another! Freemon has wheels and is a better runner than Vick in his prime. He is the new genurationof QB…not Caepernick.

  31. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Oct 8, 2013 2:20 PM

    realitypolice says:Oct 8, 2013 1:46 PM

    The stunning part of that article to me is that Freeman got $2 million for a 3/4 season contract.

    The veteran minimum can’t be that high, can it? Are you saying there was some sort of bidding war?
    ________

    It was reported that 10 teams were interested in him. None of the three quarterbacks are breaking the bank for the Vikings, so why not evaluate them all to see who will be the backup to our first-round draft pick next year?

  32. nunpuncher says: Oct 8, 2013 2:21 PM

    Vikings fans that are happy about the signing don’t have fat, mobile, big hair, throw for 4,000 yards for only 1 season Josh Freeman. What you actually have is underweight, immobile, interception machine, can’t wake up on time, ADHD Josh Freeman. Enjoy!

  33. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Oct 8, 2013 2:21 PM

    mn1288 says:Oct 8, 2013 2:00 PM

    ma5terbla5t3r says:
    Oct 8, 2013 1:40 PM
    Pick any quarterback on the Vikings and he will beet the Packers. Any one of these guys could do better than Rogers in the Packers’ system, so it’s obveous that the Vikings will crush the Packers.

    —————————-

    Please enlighten us how they would perform better in the Packer’s system…The one with (per most MN fans) inferior tight ends, O-Line, running backs, and WRs.

    Looking forward to the response on this one.
    _________

    That was a preposterous statement. I wonder what he meant that he would “beet” the Packers? He would turn them into vegetables? Anyway, everyone knows that the Packers without Rodgers are worse than a high school team.

  34. expertop says: Oct 8, 2013 2:23 PM

    brassknuckles47 says:
    Oct 8, 2013 2:02 PM
    Let me see if I have this correct…….according to paragraphs 3 thru 5, in the end, the Vikings are paying $4 this year to see if Ponder or Cassel can ‘step up’, or not? I have witnessed many incredible business moves in various industries, but is this the stupidest of STUPID? What Is Wrong With This Picture?
    ———————————–
    When you “witnessed many incredible business moves” in the past, was your reading comprehension any better than it is now? The Vikings are paying just over $2 million to see if Cassel, Ponder OR FREEMAN will step up to starting-level play. That amount is chump change for NFL quarterback, dude. This is the team that paid Brett Favre 25 million for two years.

  35. justinsdailypay says: Oct 8, 2013 2:23 PM

    brassknuckles47 says:
    Oct 8, 2013 2:02 PM
    Let me see if I have this correct…….according to paragraphs 3 thru 5, in the end, the Vikings are paying $4 this year to see if Ponder or Cassel can ‘step up’, or not? I have witnessed many incredible business moves in various industries, but is this the stupidest of STUPID? What Is Wrong With This Picture?
    ————————————————–
    The Vikings are a QB away from being a very competitive team, and Freeman became available. I would do this move in a nano second. Plus, how many years does AP have left? They owe it to AP to find the franchise QB and if Freeman steps up, AP will have one.

    They already know what Ponder is and he will have a bright future with the Vikings holding the clip board with that walkie talkie thing in his ear, smiling and cheer leading. He already looks good on the side lines, so he has that down.

  36. vavikingfan says: Oct 8, 2013 2:23 PM

    Matt Ryan was a polished QB in college; if Musgrave had anything to do with his development why was he fired ?

  37. zam1104 says: Oct 8, 2013 2:23 PM

    Latest word was that Freeman and his cronies would get utterly plastered on Friday nights in South Tampa, even with Sunday games.

    If he has any good games at all, it won’t last once he finds where all your best nightclubs are.

    I feel sorry for any Vikings fans who’ve pinned their hopes on this turkey.

  38. bucrightoff says: Oct 8, 2013 2:25 PM

    allday28mvpmvp says:
    Oct 8, 2013 2:02 PM
    Freeman is a big athletic QB, if u take away this season, he has a great body of work in the NFL.
    This guy is only 25 years old too!
    Great TD to INT ratio. I expect him to be the Vikings starting QB in the near future
    ___________________________________

    If you take away this year, you have his last two seasons, where his 50 turnovers trail only Mark Sanchez.

  39. flmike says: Oct 8, 2013 2:26 PM

    Congrats Vikings fans, you just signed a 25 year old adolescent…good luck with that.

  40. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Oct 8, 2013 2:30 PM

    Funny, I’ve always viewed the vikes as a lose-lose organization.

  41. danoj14 says: Oct 8, 2013 2:32 PM

    vavikingfan says:
    Oct 8, 2013 2:23 PM
    Matt Ryan was a polished QB in college; if Musgrave had anything to do with his development why was he fired ?

    —————————————————————-

    He wasn’t. He left Atlanta to become OC for MN.

  42. mn1288 says: Oct 8, 2013 2:33 PM

    Rick Spielman is a Magician

    =====================

    I disagree…If you take one of the Vikings current Qbs, which would be a legit backup (no disrespect meant, but seriously), I would think they would beat the Vikings with whatever QB they had left. Maybe not Freeman once he learns the system, but the Packers aren’t a bunch of nobodies. The O-Line and running game are really starting to come around….As evidenced by #5 in the league in rushing. I get your point, though.

  43. purpleguy says: Oct 8, 2013 2:33 PM

    Really the only thing to take out of this whole process is one very enlightening and heartwarming point: the Vikings are ready to move on from Christian Ponder. Well, that and there are quite a few Bucs fans upset with their coach.

  44. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Oct 8, 2013 2:37 PM

    “I don’t know what happened down there, and I’m not concerned about it,” Spielman tells Peter King of TheMMQB.com regarding Freeman’s Tampa tenure. “We’ve done our due diligence, and we came away with no issues.”

    —-

    If they don’t know what happened down there, they haven’t done their due diligence.

  45. thestrategyexpert says: Oct 8, 2013 2:38 PM

    Only in the NFL where the laws of math can work out such that a couple million bucks is the equivalent of a handful of mud. Don’t ask them for their calculus equations and analysis, it’s written in crayon.

  46. mrwalterisgod says: Oct 8, 2013 2:40 PM

    There’s no such thing as “No lose” in Minnesota.

  47. davikes says: Oct 8, 2013 2:43 PM

    People are forgetting that Ponder is reported to have a broken rib. As ineffective as he was healthy, I can’t imagine the results with him trying to play through it. So the backups to Cassel are MBT and Joe Webb. That right there is enough reason to pick up Freeman.

  48. expertop says: Oct 8, 2013 2:45 PM

    Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Oct 8, 2013 2:30 PM
    Funny, I’ve always viewed myself in a funhouse mirror to avoid the revulsion that comes from my true reflection.
    ————————-
    Wow, take it easy on yourself, Carl.

  49. conormacleod says: Oct 8, 2013 2:46 PM

    Most of you just like to complain.

    “Ponder sucks. Vikings need a new QB”.

    “Wait. Not THAT new QB!”

    This is a very small risk. Actually, it really isn’t any risk. Freeman is signed for 12 games. It’s not like the Vikings made us pay the $3 mil, or raised the season ticket price in mid season.

    If, as many of you have said, Ponder is not the QB of the future, what did you want to have happen? Lose as many games as possible to get the #1 draft pick? Sorry, the Vikings have already won more games than the Jaguars will this year. And maybe the Steelers and Giants too. It’s a rare happistance when a former first round pick is picked up for next to nothing, when he’s 25 years old! So what if he sucks? You simply don’t sign him at years end.

  50. allday28mvpmvp says: Oct 8, 2013 2:46 PM

    raiderlyfe510 says: Oct 8, 2013 2:09 PM

    Has Bill Musgrave ever developed a QB before??? What a dumb move by Freeman.

    —–

    Yeah have you ever heard of Matt Schaub or Matt Ryan? You might have seen them in the playoffs recently.

    Musgrave has been a QB coach and an offensice coordinator. You should maybe learn something before saying foolish things

  51. whysomanylosers says: Oct 8, 2013 2:51 PM

    “This ultimately provides the Vikings with an exclusive 12-week window to assess Freeman. How does he practice? How does he conduct himself away from the field? How does he play?

    You can expect JF to be on his best behavior for those 12 weeks… something he could not manage to do in a contract year with the Bucs. Then again maybe he wont….

  52. allday28mvpmvp says: Oct 8, 2013 2:52 PM

    bucrightoff says: Oct 8, 2013 2:25 PM

    allday28mvpmvp says:
    Oct 8, 2013 2:02 PM
    Freeman is a big athletic QB, if u take away this season, he has a great body of work in the NFL.
    This guy is only 25 years old too!
    Great TD to INT ratio. I expect him to be the Vikings starting QB in the near future
    ___________________________________

    If you take away this year, you have his last two seasons, where his 50 turnovers trail only Mark Sanchez.

    ————-

    See that’s whats great about the internet. Anybody can just spew out any ole nonsense and people will believe it.

    If you take away this season, Freeman has 4 years in the NFL. Not 2… Now in those FOUR seasons he has 54 INTs to 76 TDs
    Those are called FACTS

  53. detectivejimmymcnulty says: Oct 8, 2013 2:53 PM

    I get the whole Packers Vikings dont like each other but Rodgers makes throws a whole lot of QBs cant make. Ma5ter guy has to be 12, or atleast I hope he is. “Freemon” is faster than prime Vick and Rodgers is a system QB? Watch some games little guy.

  54. filthymcnasty1 says: Oct 8, 2013 2:55 PM

    Agreed.

    You can’t fall out of the basement.

  55. hotwings4u says: Oct 8, 2013 2:59 PM

    This type of situation favors Matt Cassell. He figures that he has nothing to lose since he is viewed as a back-up and they plan to play Freeman anyway. So he has absolutely no pressure to perform well. With that being said, he is going to play fast and free and make it hard to be benched.

    If you don’t believe look back to 2008 when he replaced Brady. He knew that he was just keeping to seat warm and had no chance of being the starter…so he played with no pressure…and he guided them to 11-5 record

    Same situation here. Dont be surprised if it happens.

  56. myopinionisrighterthanyours says: Oct 8, 2013 3:02 PM

    “I don’t know what happened down there, and I’m not concerned about it,” Spielman tells Peter King of TheMMQB.com regarding Freeman’s Tampa tenure. “We’ve done our due diligence, and we came away with no issues.”

    ——————————————

    Greg Schiano happened, that’s what. And some people down here as evidenced by some of the comments are still on his side, somehow.

  57. drsteller says: Oct 8, 2013 3:04 PM

    silverandblackfan77 says:
    Oct 8, 2013 1:43 PM
    Any QB with AP in the back field their job becomes way easier

    ____________________________________

    Except for Ponder, apparently.

  58. vegasgreek says: Oct 8, 2013 3:06 PM

    the Vikes season is already over. if Freeman plays well he’ll want 15 mil next year . they’ll never pay him. he’ll never stay with Minn because AP’s career is not for long. Freeman is 25 and looking to score a big payday down the road.

  59. theuglitruth says: Oct 8, 2013 3:07 PM

    Any Bucs fan hitching his wagon to Schiano is in for a long season.

  60. whatjusthapped says: Oct 8, 2013 3:07 PM

    Let’s give credit where credit is due. Spielman has a proven track record that he doesn’t know how to draft a QB and in this league, you don’t have an unlimited number of chances.

    So he does the next best thing, he brings in formerly functional qbs Cassel and Freeman to go along with his developmental QB (no, not Ponder, that other guy) and his #12 overall pick to see who can do the job. Like the old saying, throw it against the wall and we’ll see what sticks.

    Of course, everyone is overlooking that the Vikings defense is the real problem, Ponder lost 3 games this year where the Vikings had the lead in the second half. Leave it to the Vikings to carry 4 Qb’s with only 2 good enough to be on a real NFL team and carry 4 Defensive corners, none are worthy of a NFL roster spot.

  61. ma5terbla5t3r says: Oct 8, 2013 3:08 PM

    detectivejimmymcnulty –

    You have no game whatsoever. The only reeson Rogers makes those throws is because the refs bale him out! He would only compleet half his passes if the refs actualle called all the pushoffs by the Packers who catch.

  62. bucrightoff says: Oct 8, 2013 3:13 PM

    allday28mvpmvp says:
    Oct 8, 2013 2:02 PM

    See that’s whats great about the internet. Anybody can just spew out any ole nonsense and people will believe it.

    If you take away this season, Freeman has 4 years in the NFL. Not 2… Now in those FOUR seasons he has 54 INTs to 76 TDs
    Those are called FACTS
    ___________________________________

    Actually his career numbers total are 80 TDs, 66 INTs.

    Wanna know Matt Cassel’s? 76 TDs, 57 INTs

    You basically acquired a guy you already have. Best of luck.

  63. chefbob52355 says: Oct 8, 2013 3:15 PM

    Is this really considered a competition? Or, just rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

  64. bucrightoff says: Oct 8, 2013 3:17 PM

    Actually I was wrong. Cassel has 84 TDs to 57 INTs. So he actually has better number than Freeman. He’s your best option to win.

  65. ma5terbla5t3r says: Oct 8, 2013 3:17 PM

    bucrightoff –

    You have no game, either. You are discounting all the russian touchdowns scored by Freemon and his breakaway, playmaking speed. The guy just nows how to win! Bring on the Pack as the Kings’s season is about to turn around. Pederson + Freemon = Super Bowl

  66. steelerben says: Oct 8, 2013 3:18 PM

    @hotwings4u – It doesn’t hurt that he was playing on a roster loaded with talent, one of the best coaching staffs of all time, and one year removed from a *nearly* perfect season. And he still wasn’t able to lead them to the playoffs.

    I’d hardly say it is the same situation this year in Minnesota.

  67. obsessedvikingfan says: Oct 8, 2013 3:20 PM

    As a true fan of the Vikings, I support them with this move. Doing nothing is worse than doing this. That is for sure. F=1

  68. bobloblawlawblogger says: Oct 8, 2013 3:22 PM

    Well Freeman, has not been either Franchise, and or Pro-Bowl for some time now, if you simply watch him play….which none of you probably have, who the heck would watch Tampa play besides Bucs fans (US) . He just isn’t good at all, he is inaccurate and lacks ANY IT factor at all.

    Freeman Last 34 games
    57% comp , 45 TD’s-42-INT’s 8,000 yards

    Ponder Last 30 games
    59% Comp, 33 TD’s-30INT’s 5,500 yards

    ON 400 LESS THROWS………..

    Same guys….sorry Vikings you just got a bigger version of Ponder……….

  69. realfootballfan says: Oct 8, 2013 3:22 PM

    Nothing to lose besides Spielman and Frazier’s jobs. hey, but that was already inevitable with Ponder at QB, so might as well try to save them with this Hail Mary.

  70. ronin36 says: Oct 8, 2013 3:23 PM

    I actually feel bad for Freeman.

    There are only a handful of coaches in the NFL that can coach up a QB. And let’s face it the Vikings don’t have one. If they did, they’d’ve been improving Ponder over the last few years.

    What I see happening is: Freeman eventually gets the starting job (3 or 4 weeks from now).. but struggles the rest of the year.

    Then if he’s lucky, either MN will get a new coaching staff that can coach him. Or he goes to a team with that coaching staff.

    Or.. if he’s unlucky, he’ll bounce around the NFL as a backup for the next few years… and be “another bust” of 1st round QB draftees.

    Considering the odds.. I’d have to put my money on the sadder of those two endings.

  71. veetan says: Oct 8, 2013 3:28 PM

    Poor Josh Freeman. He started out with such promise, but was had his character assassinated by the folks running a very dysfunctional organization.

    Now he’s going to be tainted forever by his new affiliation with the Taintkings.

    Very sad for him.

  72. doggeatdogg says: Oct 8, 2013 3:28 PM

    Seems they are tripping all over each other in viking land to justify this move. Why can’t just say they thought it was worth it and move on.

  73. newlydead says: Oct 8, 2013 3:31 PM

    allday28mvpmvp says:
    Oct 8, 2013 2:02 PM
    Freeman is a big athletic QB, if u take away this season, he has a great body of work in the NFL.
    This guy is only 25 years old too!
    Great TD to INT ratio. I expect him to be the Vikings starting QB in the near future

    ———————-

    really? take away this year and here are Freeman’s career stats …

    Won 24
    Lost 33
    Avg Yards Per Season 3240
    Avg TD per Season 19.5
    Avg INT per Season 15.75

    and that is with a 25TD 6INT season in there. You really think this is a great body of work? a winning percentage of 42% and a TD to INT ratio that is almost even?

  74. okemon says: Oct 8, 2013 3:33 PM

    I don’t see any of this as a big risk. I was expecting the Vikings to select a QB next spring regardless. Freeman’s numbers are not that great in my eyes, but I also know a change of scenery and a new system, may, May… kick start someones career. If Freeman does great…. Great…. if not, the Draft…. And honestly without Freeman we would be selecting another QB in the draft anyway… one thing that Freeman has is a cannon of an arm…. This is Ponder’s last stand, will he end up like Custer… or take the next step. With Freeman on board Ponder may only have one more game to prove it or loose it, or maybe the ax has already fallen.

  75. yeogib says: Oct 8, 2013 3:36 PM

    He had one of the best rb’s and an above average corps wide receivers. He stinks.

  76. ma5terbla5t3r says: Oct 8, 2013 3:38 PM

    veetan –

    We will see how hard you will be laffing when the ViKINGS beet your team all over the field!

  77. deltaoracle says: Oct 8, 2013 3:47 PM

    “It isn’t a big risk…”
    That Rick Spielman, he’s a genius. Just like the folks who spend all their extra money on lottery tickets.

  78. expertop says: Oct 8, 2013 3:48 PM

    ma5terbla5t3r says:
    Oct 8, 2013 3:38 PM
    veetan –

    We will see how hard you will be laffing when the ViKINGS beet your team all over the field!
    ————————————-
    I do not think that word means what you think it means.

  79. dragonfly99 says: Oct 8, 2013 3:52 PM

    If Spielman and Frazier really believe Christian Ponder is their future quarterback, there is no way they make this move in mid-season. This move is an obvious sign they have no faith in Ponder and wasted a first round pick.

  80. Frazier28/7 says: Oct 8, 2013 3:56 PM

    It’s like bringing in younger versions of Ferrotte and Rosenfels with Cassel and Freeman.

    It would be interesting to watch Freemans reaction during film session the next few days as he sees play after play of 8-9 men in the box and receivers running wide open more then 10-15 yards down the field and Ponder never seeing them or checking down to a FB or Rb for a 4 yard gain on 3rd and 10 play after play after play.

    And Josh will be like, “Seriously, Ponder?! How do you now throw for 300 plus yards a game with all those defenders up to stop AP? How?!”

  81. rodh32340 says: Oct 8, 2013 4:01 PM

    If there is a Free-man out there…you have to Ponder picking him up!
    *sorry, I had to do it*

  82. fwippel says: Oct 8, 2013 4:05 PM

    This is a sign that Ponder is finished in Minnesota. Cassel should remain the starter unless/until he plays he way out of the lineup.

    As for Freeman, I would not like seeing the Viking brass insisting on Freeman getting playing time get to see how he does. If Cassel can hold the starting job, Freeman should sit.

  83. stevenwilliams2013 says: Oct 8, 2013 4:06 PM

    It was dumb move to get him. He’ll need to catch up to speed with the playbook and that’s gonna take time.

    He’ll be trying to learns plays and get use to the receivers. That’s gonna be alot for him,

  84. tundratommy says: Oct 8, 2013 4:08 PM

    When you have three QB’s….. you really don’t have any.

  85. ma5terbla5t3r says: Oct 8, 2013 4:17 PM

    expertop –

    Your team is in for some magor deckings!

  86. hotwings4u says: Oct 8, 2013 4:24 PM

    @hotwings4u – It doesn’t hurt that he was playing on a roster loaded with talent, one of the best coaching staffs of all time, and one year removed from a *nearly* perfect season. And he still wasn’t able to lead them to the playoffs.

    I’d hardly say it is the same situation this year in Minnesota.

    ___________________________________

    There have been plenty of teams throughout NFL history that have been loaded with talent and not made the playoffs. Just look at the Dallas Cowboys lol

    All I am saying is Cassel was unexpectly thrust into the starters role due to injury back in New England and he lead them to 11-5. Wasn’t his fault that they narrowly missed the playoffs.

    This year he is thrusted into the starters role due to injury and has managed the game thus far. He has no pressure to suceed because management views him as a back-up anyway. So in gambling terms…he is playing with house money.

  87. onebucplace says: Oct 8, 2013 4:27 PM

    Again I’ll repeat, last year when Freeman is supposed to have had a ‘bad’ year he threw for over 4,000 and 27TDs. He set pretty much every Tampa Bay passing record. Again, we’re supposed to be believe he had a bad year.

    Also that was in an offense from the 1980s which consisted of, run left, run right, throw deep, repeat (i.e. the Ray Perkins offense that nearly ruined Vinny Testaverde in Tampa).

    Freeman is at his best when he’s able to move, not scramble, but just move and make plays. Freeman is at his worst when he’s forced to sit in the pocket, his ability to go through his reads is average at best — not poor however. Just allow Freeman to play to his strengths and I still believe you’ll have a QB in the top half of the starters in the league.

    Also never let me forget to say this, Greg Schiano is a Jersey piece of trash that won’t be long for this league. Freeman has a future in the NFL, Schiano does not.

  88. teal379 says: Oct 8, 2013 4:38 PM

    ma5terbla5t3r says: Oct 8, 2013 2:19 PM

    It’s like the opposite affect of Rodgers – no running game, great passing game.

    Actually the Packers are the #5 rushing team in the league right now and that’s WITHOUT their best o-lineman on the field and a late round ROOKIE at LT.

    A full 5 spots BETTER than the Vikings are in the rush.

    I’m beginning to think that a good 1/2 to 2/3s of the people on this site don’t even WATCH football or football when they’re team isn’t playing.

    This dude sounds like Paul Allen signed up to comment….

  89. fwippel says: Oct 8, 2013 4:49 PM

    onebucplace says:Oct 8, 2013 4:27 PM

    Again I’ll repeat, last year when Freeman is supposed to have had a ‘bad’ year he threw for over 4,000 and 27TDs. He set pretty much every Tampa Bay passing record. Again, we’re supposed to be believe he had a bad year.

    =================================

    I hope you’re right about his talent and abilities, because as a Viking fan, this team hasn’t had a true franchise QB since the late 1970s. However, it’s hard to look past those 17 INTs from last year, and the manner in which Freeman and the Bucs finished the year.

    Maybe a fresh start is all the guy needs, but the one thing the Vikings don’t need at QB is a turnover machine and/or a headcase. I hope it works out for the Vikings, but I’m not expecting it.

  90. shaggytoodle says: Oct 8, 2013 4:54 PM

    nflpoker says:
    Oct 8, 2013 1:54 PM

    If he was the franchise QB, you think he would have proved it by now.
    _______

    Its tough to prove being a franchise QB in Minnesota.

    After all they are one of the worse teams in the league when it comes to developing QBs.

    In their recent history they have had Culpepper was as close as they came.

    Other words, its taking QBs that are just exiting their prime like Cunningham, Moon, McNabb, Cassell, and Favre.

    Some teams can develop players some teams, draft freakish talent, and hope that one player will make their team win a SB.

    One person can make a team good, but takes 53 to make a team great.

  91. csidedave says: Oct 8, 2013 5:19 PM

    By week 9, Ponder will be starting for the Bucs and they will be well on the way to their real goal. A number 1 draft pick. Pretty clever.

  92. ericbinfordlives says: Oct 8, 2013 5:28 PM

    Ponder is NOT finished because the Vikes refuse to believe they failed on him. I have a feeling he’ll back next year too. It really sucks because I think Freeman can do good things for them, but until Ponder is gone we won’t know.

  93. tinbender2000 says: Oct 8, 2013 5:48 PM

    Deer ma5terbla5t3r , urr postz r paneful to reed, kud yoo git a spelckeer?

  94. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Oct 8, 2013 5:50 PM

    ma5terbla5t3r says:Oct 8, 2013 3:17 PM

    bucrightoff –

    You have no game, either. You are discounting all the russian touchdowns scored by Freemon and his breakaway, playmaking speed. The guy just nows how to win! Bring on the Pack as the Kings’s season is about to turn around. Pederson + Freemon = Super Bowl
    _______

    Russian touchdowns? They don’t even play football in Russia!

    Is this a bit? You are the worst speller I’ve ever seen on here, and that’s saying a lot.

  95. thatswhatimsayin says: Oct 8, 2013 6:06 PM

    shaggytoodle says:
    Oct 8, 2013 4:54 PM
    nflpoker says:
    Oct 8, 2013 1:54 PM

    If he was the franchise QB, you think he would have proved it by now.
    _______

    Its tough to prove being a franchise QB in Minnesota.

    After all they are one of the worse teams in the league when it comes to developing QBs.

    In their recent history they have had Culpepper was as close as they came.

    Other words, its taking QBs that are just exiting their prime like Cunningham, Moon, McNabb, Cassell, and Favre.

    Some teams can develop players some teams, draft freakish talent, and hope that one player will make their team win a SB.

    One person can make a team good, but takes 53 to make a team great.

    ———————————————————-

    Oh please enlighten me on the Packer’s history of developing qb’s. You had one of the most resilient qb’s in the history of the nfl for over a decade. Then a projected #1 overall pick slides all the way down the board to you, right at the time the NFL makes it illegal to even come within inches of the precious quarterback. (Rodgers rule). If Rodgers was playing in the mid 90′s he wouldn’t have made it a whole season. Who else? what other prospects did the Packers groom to be a top flight qb? Oh yeah, Matt Flynn

  96. teamnorsecore says: Oct 8, 2013 6:14 PM

    newlydead says:
    Oct 8, 2013 3:31 PM
    allday28mvpmvp says:
    Oct 8, 2013 2:02 PM
    Freeman is a big athletic QB, if u take away this season, he has a great body of work in the NFL.
    This guy is only 25 years old too!
    Great TD to INT ratio. I expect him to be the Vikings starting QB in the near future

    ———————-

    really? take away this year and here are Freeman’s career stats …

    Won 24
    Lost 33
    Avg Yards Per Season 3240
    Avg TD per Season 19.5
    Avg INT per Season 15.75

    and that is with a 25TD 6INT season in there. You really think this is a great body of work? a winning percentage of 42% and a TD to INT ratio that is almost even?
    ………..
    The Bucs winning percentage falls solely on Freeman’s shoulders? I thought football was a team game? I’ll take a 324yd average…….we have been watching a 130 yd average!

  97. f1restarter says: Oct 8, 2013 6:14 PM

    ma5terbla5t3r says:
    Oct 8, 2013 1:40 PM
    Pick any quarterback on the Vikings and he will beet the Packers. Any one of these guys could do better than Rogers in the Packers’ system, so it’s obveous that the Vikings will crush the Packers.
    —————————
    Who exactly is “Rogers”?

    But I’m glad to hear you admit that the Packers’ system can make any QB look good. That would be a testament to the greatness of the Packers’ coaching staff, who will continue to “beet” your pathetic Vikings no matter who their quarterback is.

  98. bobnelsonjr says: Oct 8, 2013 7:16 PM

    The weirdness of a three ring circus is about to begin.
    One QB to a ring. The chaotic internal strife and schisms will be devastating.

    (It is the only way you can mention ring in a viking story.)

  99. newlydead says: Oct 8, 2013 7:21 PM

    teamnorsecore says:
    The Bucs winning percentage falls solely on Freeman’s shoulders? I thought football was a team game? I’ll take a 324yd average…….we have been watching a 130 yd average!

    ………………….

    that was 3240 yd average a season, which comes to just about 200 yds a game

    and you don’t think a QB has anything to do with your winning percentage? you would think a franchise QB with a great body of work would at least be sitting around a 50% winning percentage don’t you think? actually if he is a franchise QB i would say closer to 60 to 70%

  100. shaggytoodle says: Oct 8, 2013 8:52 PM

    Oh please enlighten me on the Packer’s history of developing qb’s.

    ____________

    Projected #1 and the Vikings passed on him twice.Yes Aaron Rodgers developed a top 5 QB it still takes coaching. I promise you if Rodgers was drafted by the Vikings with either the 7th or 19th(?)pick he wouldn’t be as great as he is now. Favre also developed into a top 5 QB. In the league, Matt Flynn showed he is coachable and play well in the right the spot.

    Other QBs that went to play elsewhere like Mark Brunell, Matt Hassleback. Went on to lead their teams deep into the playoffs.

    The Packers can develop young talent, the Vikings when drafting high every couple years hope to draft it like Peterson or Khalil, then take others in FA or Trade hoping they are still in their prime like Allan or Hutch.

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