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Asked if Brady is clutch, Belichick says, “He’s good in all 4 quarters”

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Is Tom Brady a clutch player? He’s a three-time Super Bowl winner and two-time Super Bowl MVP who threw a game-winning touchdown pass with five seconds remaining on Sunday, so a lot of people would say, Of course he is.

But Patriots coach Bill Belichick was asked about Brady being a clutch player after Sunday’s win over the Saints, and Belichick brushed off the idea of Brady being “clutch” by responding that Brady is really just a good player, not a clutch player. Brady is good in the closing seconds of the fourth quarter in big games like Sunday’s clash with the previously undefeated Saints, but Brady is good at all other times, too.

Here’s the exchange from Belichick’s post-game press conference:

Q: What makes Tom Brady so clutch?

BB: He’s obviously one of the best players in the league. He’s good in all four quarters.

So it’s not so much that Brady is clutch, as that he’s good, and just as he plays well in the first, second and third quarters, he continues to play well when the game is on the line in the fourth quarter.

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106 Responses to “Asked if Brady is clutch, Belichick says, “He’s good in all 4 quarters””
  1. thevikes85 says: Oct 14, 2013 11:40 AM

    He’s right.Whether you like him or not he’s right.

  2. skoobyfl says: Oct 14, 2013 11:40 AM

    Brady makes him look brilliant, ask the Browns fans.

  3. ialwayswantedtobeabanker says: Oct 14, 2013 11:41 AM

    That is a legit genius response to the question of whether Brady is clutch. Belichick drilled it out of the park with that call.

    And he’s right. Brady is just a freaking beast in general.

    Great call by BB – love that guy. No Pats homer factor – my team is a different team.

  4. thepftpoet says: Oct 14, 2013 11:42 AM

    Bellichick confirmed this statement after watching the game film with him camera he scouts other teams on

  5. h0c2000 says: Oct 14, 2013 11:44 AM

    That’s what clutch means to fans. Not being affected by the moment AND being good. JD Drew was half way clutch. He just wasn’t any good.

  6. pastabelly101 says: Oct 14, 2013 11:44 AM

    5 and 1 trolls! You want them to die you want them to go away, sorry boys!

  7. h3min1230 says: Oct 14, 2013 11:45 AM

    Something seems off about him this year, his deep ball is way off. Good to see even at that age that he still has a rocket for an arm, but the accuracy doesn’t seem to be there.

  8. gochargersgo says: Oct 14, 2013 11:46 AM

    Lovin these weekly articles breaking down Belichick press conferences.

  9. patsfansknowitall says: Oct 14, 2013 11:47 AM

    Definitely in the top 10 of best QBs ever!

  10. hehateme2 says: Oct 14, 2013 11:48 AM

    He’s in decline. Still good but is lacking much more “clutch.”

    He’ll continue to be exposed over the season.

  11. mrgroovesd says: Oct 14, 2013 11:51 AM

    I never liked him but he is clutch and he plays til the time clock is 00:00. I’d probably feel differently if he was on my team.

  12. chlstn says: Oct 14, 2013 11:52 AM

    As far as accuracy I think he throws to spots on the field and the receivers are just not there! As far as clutch, he stays cool right to the end however I think I’d be heaping praise on Thomkins right now. Awesome game and great weekend. All NY teams lost and the Pats and sox won.

  13. dodohead418 says: Oct 14, 2013 11:52 AM

    You know if Tom Brady would have lost then a classless Belichick would never address the media, but as a coach he does his job good!

  14. 87hollywoodhorn says: Oct 14, 2013 11:53 AM

    overrated!

  15. dinisco says: Oct 14, 2013 11:53 AM

    Brady actually went 1 for 3 in his attempts to score on the “final” drive. He never should’ve been afforded attempts 2 and 3. The first 2 attempts were pretty bad (4 and out and a pick).

    Brady’s great, no doubt, but the Saints blew it.

  16. johnnyjagfan says: Oct 14, 2013 11:55 AM

    He’s not going to fluff Brady’s footballs by calling him “clutch” and playing pawn to the press at the same time. He is good in all four quarters and that was a great answer.

  17. cooklynn17 says: Oct 14, 2013 11:56 AM

    Not in the last two Super Bowls he has played in he’s not…

  18. skippynj says: Oct 14, 2013 11:56 AM

    Helps to be home and gallop to victory on the backs of some very friendly zebras.

  19. absolutsaints says: Oct 14, 2013 12:00 PM

    The quote should read…“He’s good in all 4 quarters,
    especially when the officials help”.

  20. gopurplebirds says: Oct 14, 2013 12:01 PM

    Is it me or is the choke hold by the left tackle on the Saints DE as Brady let go of the game winning throw being completely ignored by the media. Dude even threw his arms up in the air after he let go as if he was trying to say to the refs, “Hey, no holding here.”

    No dog in this hunt for me, but I thought it was pretty obvious.

  21. patsfansknowitall says: Oct 14, 2013 12:02 PM

    These regular season wins are really impressive – Brady and Manning are so clutch when it comes to September – December.

  22. tedmurph says: Oct 14, 2013 12:03 PM

    hehateme2 says:Oct 14, 2013 11:48 AM

    He’s in decline. Still good but is lacking much more “clutch.”

    He’ll continue to be exposed over the season
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    hehateme2 says:Oct 10, 2013 4:10 PM

    The Saints are gonna cream them! Ms. Brady has big problems.
    ———————————————————-
    Looking forward to your next prediction.

  23. flash1283 says: Oct 14, 2013 12:07 PM

    dinisco says: Oct 14, 2013 11:53 AM

    Brady actually went 1 for 3 in his attempts to score on the “final” drive. He never should’ve been afforded attempts 2 and 3. The first 2 attempts were pretty bad (4 and out and a pick).

    Brady’s great, no doubt, but the Saints blew it.
    —-

    I’ll give him a 1 for 2. Not sure you can blame him for the drive when they went for it on 4th down. He threw 3 passes in a row that hit his WR’s in the hands and the flat out dropped the ball.

    Again why isn’t anyone giving any credit to the Patriots D,

    Graham 0 catches
    Colston 1 catch 11 yards

  24. boisestatewhodat says: Oct 14, 2013 12:10 PM

    I’m a Saints fan…I knew this game would be tough and it was. Brady is great, no doubt…the Saints had them beat though. I’m not one to whine about the refs and I won’t do it now but I will say this…Drew is tops at the hard count and drawing the defense into the neutral zone and he did it yesterday on 4th and 1…it was textbook. Had it been called properly (neutral zone infraction or encroachment) it would have been 1st and 10. Instead they called false start…turning point of them game and if I’m a pats fan…I would kinda feel like I stole a win.

  25. phaktor333 says: Oct 14, 2013 12:10 PM

    Unicorns! Show Ponies! Where’s the Beef!!!

  26. jagsfan1 says: Oct 14, 2013 12:12 PM

    Wasn’t clutch against the Giants when it counted the most though….was he?

  27. davikes says: Oct 14, 2013 12:12 PM

    Perhaps the dumbest question ever.

  28. steelnucs says: Oct 14, 2013 12:13 PM

    I generally can’t stand the Pats, but that is a very accurate response to an idiotic question.

  29. siaaa says: Oct 14, 2013 12:15 PM

    2nd best QB of all time. Montana being the best ever. enjoy watching him as not a Pats fan but a true football fan.
    Brady would have a couple of more rings if the Pats weren’t so cheap in paying for top receivers.
    he has no one to throw to most of the time. lots of dropped balls yesterday. BB is a master at taking the opponents best player out of the game and making the others beat you. in this case Graham with 0 catches. Love to see the Pats beat Denver in the playoffs.

  30. bennyb82 says: Oct 14, 2013 12:17 PM

    For those citing a decrease in Brady’s accuracy, you gotta remember he has a brand new set of receivers. He could be thriwing every pass where the receiver should be…but we do not know that. Also, there have been a ton of drops. Not a Pats fan, but Brady is doing a great job considering the circumstance.

  31. cowpiesnotcowboys says: Oct 14, 2013 12:20 PM

    In other words, Brady is not Romo.

  32. tedmurph says: Oct 14, 2013 12:21 PM

    boisestatewhodat says:Oct 14, 2013 12:10 PM

    I’m a Saints fan…I knew this game would be tough and it was.
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    boisestatewhodat says:Oct 11, 2013 10:13 AM

    It doesn’t matter if he does play. It would matter if the team they’re playing didn’t have someone named Jimmy Graham. What I mean by that is, the Saints defense goes up against the best there is in practice every week…sorry, and I’m not a Pats hater but…they don’t have a prayer this weekend! Saints 38…Pats 17.

  33. wearethesteelers says: Oct 14, 2013 12:23 PM

    Wes Welker would attest to the fact that Manning is much better (expect in the playoffs).

  34. patriotinvasion says: Oct 14, 2013 12:23 PM

    boisestatewhodat says:
    Oct 14, 2013 12:10 PM
    I’m a Saints fan…I knew this game would be tough and it was. Brady is great, no doubt…the Saints had them beat though. I’m not one to whine about the refs and I won’t do it now but I will say this…Drew is tops at the hard count and drawing the defense into the neutral zone and he did it yesterday on 4th and 1…it was textbook. Had it been called properly (neutral zone infraction or encroachment) it would have been 1st and 10. Instead they called false start…turning point of them game and if I’m a pats fan…I would kinda feel like I stole a win.
    _________

    So you say you won’t complain about the refs and then you do. Fact is, the Pats controlled this game throughout until Brees throws a prayer on a 3rd and 20 that gets caught for a TD in double coverage. You guys then have 3 chances to close the game with the lead and the ball despite all that happened and didn’t do it. Pats beat you guys, and that’s it.

  35. TheWizard says: Oct 14, 2013 12:26 PM

    Brady makes him look brilliant, ask the Browns fans

    You need to get a better understanding of what went on in Cleveland.

    Bill’s 94 team finished 11-5, something the Browns haven’t been able to match in almost 20 years.

    Then they moved the team. It imploded. At that time Bill didn’t have the cred to overcome such a disaster. Not many would have.

  36. bradygoat says: Oct 14, 2013 12:27 PM

    I’m a Pats fan, so I will admit to having a biased opinion. RE: the holding non-call on the last play – the Saints fans are right – that was a hold, no question. However, you watch about 25% of the Saints offensive plays in the red zone and I was yelling at the tv calling a hold on each one which wasn’t flagged as they racked up first downs. You can pretty much call a hold on every play of the game if you want to. Saints had their chance to put this game away – esp. after Brady’s pick….blaming the loss on a non-call on a hold just comes across as sour grapes. Saints should’ve won, but the loss falls on their lack of execution in crunch time, not the refs.

  37. weepingjebus says: Oct 14, 2013 12:28 PM

    Saw an article this morning that this was the 38th time that Brady has led the Patriots to a win when they were either tied or behind in the 4th quarter.

    38 times.

    Brady is an overrated QB sort of like the Marine Corps is an overrated assault force.

  38. wearethesteelers says: Oct 14, 2013 12:31 PM

    He’s lucky his defense bailed him out with a quick stop after throwing an terrible INT with 2:10 left.

  39. wearethesteelers says: Oct 14, 2013 12:32 PM

    Tom Brady has a 79.5 QB rating this year. I don’t care who his receivers are, if you are “elite” you don’t dip below 80 through 6 games.

  40. boisestatewhodat says: Oct 14, 2013 12:34 PM

    Flash…as a Saints fan, I give credit to the Pats D…their game plan was very good and it showed. I just wish the refs could have been a bit better (hard count 1st and 10…instead it was a false start. Malcom jenkins for helmet 2 helmet then the same play next series with Sproles as the victim…no call. Bear hug holding on the last play of the game…no call). It is what it is…we were just on the wrong side of the refs yesterday.

  41. toughasjaycutler says: Oct 14, 2013 12:36 PM

    skoobyfl says: Oct 14, 2013 11:40 AM

    Brady makes him look brilliant, ask the Browns fans.

    **************************************

    You have no idea what you are talking about. BB had the Browns on the rise until Modell pulled the plug midway thru the season. Watch A Football Life – ’95 Browns. You will be surprised. Further proof that BB is the man. Also funny to see all of the names on the staff (Pioli, etc) who never did as well after they left The Master. Do your homework.

  42. truthfactory says: Oct 14, 2013 12:37 PM

    Um… Is it just me or did Brady blow it when they “needed it most”?

    BB- “Tom, we’re down by 1 with less than 3 min to go, we need a score here!

    Result: 4 and out
    —-
    Defense does their job and holds Saints to FG

    BB- “okay, im serious this time Tom, we NEED a drive! 2:45 left and we’re down 4!”

    Result- terrible INT
    —-
    Defense again does their job and forces a punt. After his 3rd attempt at a “must score” scenario, Brady finally gets a TD after his 3rd attempt.

    How many QBs get 3 chances in that scenario???! Kudos to the Defense!!

  43. xxwhodatxx says: Oct 14, 2013 12:40 PM

    Did anyone catch the refs giving the Pats an extra time out with 2:33 on the clock? Or what about when Brees got em to jump on 4th down an they called it false start? The phantom pass interference on thier first TD? Not a conspiracy therorist but it happened. Kinda makes you wonder

  44. purplekoolaid1 says: Oct 14, 2013 12:44 PM

    This question was seriously asked by a reporter? I guess it’s just a reminder why I hate the media so much. What an idiotic and embarrassing question to ask. Are they really running out of things to ask?

  45. boisestatewhodat says: Oct 14, 2013 12:48 PM

    Ted…I’m glad my post a few days ago inspired you enough to remember it. It wouldn’t have mattered if Gronk had played…credit to the Pats D…I did not see a complete shutdown of Graham coming…that said…Talib couldn’t go 60 minutes with the big man. He hurt himself just covering Graham…

  46. geniusry says: Oct 14, 2013 12:51 PM

    Brady is great but if he was great in all 4 quarters, he wouldn’t need to be clutch and make game winning TD passes as time expires.

    Like it or not, I’m right.

  47. hehateme2 says: Oct 14, 2013 12:52 PM

    The Saints are gonna cream them! Ms. Brady has big problems.
    ———————————————————-
    Looking forward to your next prediction.

    True, missed that call for sure. Thanks for pointing that out.
    The Saints are a very different team away from the spotlight and home dome.

    That clear non-call holding on the last play didn’t help the Saints cause however.

  48. tedmurph says: Oct 14, 2013 12:54 PM

    Graham hurt himself trying to get open and make a catch.

  49. flash1283 says: Oct 14, 2013 12:56 PM

    xxwhodatxx says: Oct 14, 2013 12:40 PM

    Did anyone catch the refs giving the Pats an extra time out with 2:33 on the clock? Or what about when Brees got em to jump on 4th down an they called it false start? The phantom pass interference on thier first TD? Not a conspiracy therorist but it happened. Kinda makes you wonder

    Really “The phantom pass interference on thier first TD” are you kidding?

    The replay clearly showed the Saints DB holding the front of the jersey under the neck.

  50. tedmurph says: Oct 14, 2013 1:06 PM

    Look, you guys crying about the refs; there was 1 blatant miss on the NZI. The Saints would have gotten a 1rst down. Big deal. You don’t know what would have happened after that. They could have scored, missed a FG, turned it over, whatever. As for holding, PI, pushing off, all the judgement calls, the refs miss several of them every game and it tends to even out. You think the Saints got jobbed because you watched the gm with black and gold tinted glasses. It’s still an excuse. The Saints had the lead and the ball, after converting a 3rd and 20 that was pretty well covered, at the end of the gm and couldn’t close the deal because they were outplayed and outcoached when it counted. Deal with it.

  51. patriotinvasion says: Oct 14, 2013 1:07 PM

    Why is everyone saying Gronk didn’t play? He matched Graham catch for catch all day! HA! #Talib #Qib #AllDay

  52. sneakyqb says: Oct 14, 2013 1:08 PM

    Still hasn’t been able to win a title without cheating. I wonder what Peyton would have done in the playoffs if he knew what the defenses were. Say what you want Pats fans, but Brady isn’t even the best QB of this generation.

  53. esdawt says: Oct 14, 2013 1:12 PM

    boisestatewhodat says: Oct 14, 2013 12:34 PM

    Flash…as a Saints fan, I give credit to the Pats D…their game plan was very good and it showed. I just wish the refs could have been a bit better (hard count 1st and 10…instead it was a false start. Malcom jenkins for helmet 2 helmet then the same play next series with Sproles as the victim…no call. Bear hug holding on the last play of the game…no call). It is what it is…we were just on the wrong side of the refs yesterday.
    ——————————————————–
    Jenkins hit a defenseless receiver in the head – text book penalty. Sproles was not hit in the head.

    If you want to talk bad refereeing, how about the Dobson OPI call? Or if you think that should be a penalty, why wasn’t it called on the Saints last TD when Stills pushed off the defender?

  54. harrisonhits2 says: Oct 14, 2013 1:17 PM

    weepingjebus says:

    Saw an article this morning that this was the 38th time that Brady has led the Patriots to a win when they were either tied or behind in the 4th quarter.

    38 times.

    Brady is an overrated QB sort of like the Marine Corps is an overrated assault force.
    ______________________

    Actually it was 38 before last night which made it 39.

    Comment of the day regarding the Marine Corps lol !

    As to all the whining about the refs, as usual with NFL refs, there were good and bad calls for both sides. Amendola was knocked out by a vicious helmet to helmet hit. The first guy tackled him cleanly but the 2nd guy who came in from the side hammered him in the head. Several times I saw Pats pass rushers literally tackled from behind by Saints Olinemen. Saints Oline held too throughout the game as all olines do.

    End results was non-calls and bad calls offset each other as usual. Crying about how only the ones that effected the Saints negatively and not those that hurt the Pats is called a double standard by the way.

    Saints played well, but their horrible clock management and the inability of their offense to put the game away after the late pick on Brady is what lost the game, not refs.

  55. patriotinvasion says: Oct 14, 2013 1:34 PM

    sneakyqb says:
    Oct 14, 2013 1:08 PM
    Still hasn’t been able to win a title without cheating. I wonder what Peyton would have done in the playoffs if he knew what the defenses were. Say what you want Pats fans, but Brady isn’t even the best QB of this generation.
    _________

    Yea, Ty Law, Tedy Bruschi, Richard Seymour, Mike Vrabel, and Rodney Harrison had nothing to do with those championship teams. Pats knew every play which is why they lit up the scoreboard back then (not). Keep thinking a stooge with a video camera filming signals in PLAIN VIEW to 70,000 people in the stadium every Sunday wins 3 Super Bowl titles. If that’s what it takes to shield your pain and heartache, have at it.

  56. cincyalldaway says: Oct 14, 2013 1:46 PM

    BB: He’s obviously one of the best players in the league. He’s good in all four quarters.

    Unless it’s raining!!! WHODEY BABY!!!!

  57. jetsmmt says: Oct 14, 2013 1:46 PM

    Officiating wasn’t great but hey what’s done is done. Feel bad for Brees and the Saints.

  58. justintuckrule says: Oct 14, 2013 1:48 PM

    G.O.A.T. – from a Giants’ fan.

  59. toybkshr says: Oct 14, 2013 1:48 PM

    h3min1230 says:
    Oct 14, 2013 11:45 AM
    Something seems off about him this year, his deep ball is way off. Good to see even at that age that he still has a rocket for an arm, but the accuracy doesn’t seem to be there. —————————————————————————————————–
    Correct on that. But, I’d be more worried if he couldn’t get it down the field. He overthrows more than he underthrows. Not only does he have a new cast of characters with different timing to adjust to, he has to unlearn three years of ‘dink n dunk’ to Welker & the TE’s

  60. patsfansknowitall says: Oct 14, 2013 1:57 PM

    Ernie Adams deserves some credit too – somehow he knows where the other team is going to line up everytime the Pats play at home.

    The second radio frequency in Brady’s helmet is clutch too.

  61. dirtdawg54 says: Oct 14, 2013 2:03 PM

    Career regular season QB rating is 96.0. Career playoff QB rating is 87.4. Of 24 post season games, has had a rating under 96.0 in 16 of them (meaning two-thirds of the time he plays worse than his regular season average). Has thrown 19 ints in the playoffs since his last SB win, against 31 Tds (with 6 of those coming in one game).

    Maybe the view of “clutch” is in the eye of the beholder because the facts don’t always suggest he is.

    Guess loading up on patsies like the Dolphin, Bills and Jets for the entirety of your career makes you look better than you are.

  62. toybkshr says: Oct 14, 2013 2:06 PM

    wearethesteelers says:
    Oct 14, 2013 12:32 PM
    Tom Brady has a 79.5 QB rating this year. I don’t care who his receivers are, if you are “elite” you don’t dip below 80 through 6 games. ——————————————————————————————————————–
    What a dumb*ss statement. Remove the top 5 receivers from any QB in the league and try n tell someone with a straight face their QBR wouldn’t suffer.

  63. blue18hutthutt says: Oct 14, 2013 2:07 PM

    2005 – back breaking pick 6 in the redzone with the game in the balance

    2006 – should’ve thrown a game-ending interception but Troy Brown rips the fumble to give him a second chance – eventually does get a chance to throw a season ending interception following week against the Colts while giving up a 21 point lead

    2007 – greatest choke job of all time, bar none. “We’re only going to score 17 points?” turns out Plax was being generous. Barely beat a crippled Chargers team while throwing 3 INTs against a zero-ACL Rivers. Led team to season low output in points (to say the least) after averaging 30

    2009 – completely annihialated by Ravens – got some nice garbage time stats with the game well out of reach. Led team to season low output in points

    2010 – completely abused all game by the Jets D, started hearing footsteps and auto-sacking himself. Got some nice garbage time TDs against a prevent D that make the game look closer than it really was. Led team to season low output in points

    2011 – lost to Giants in Superbowl once again. Should’ve lost the previous week after throwing 0TD and 2INT against the Ravens. Threw a horrible 4th Q interception in the Superbowl by trying to do his best Eli-imitation, overthrew Welker to ice the game and missed open receivers throwing behind them. Once again led team to season low output in points

    2012 – completely shutdown by Ravens D and once again led team to season low output in points

    Can we please stop with the “Brady is clutch” nonsense?

    If Brady wasn’t piggy-backed to 3 Superbowls in his early years by his D, we would be talking about him as this generation’s Dan Marino, who can’t win the big one

  64. gadlaw2012 says: Oct 14, 2013 2:14 PM

    I do not like the Patriots. I do not like Tom Brady but watching the end of that game and seeing the Saints give him three chances to beat them I have respect for Tom, he strapped it up and went and took care of it. Brady is a great QB with fewer skill players with him and still he wills that team to victory. It’s the Saints own fault for thinking they could continue to hold him down – foolish. But great for the rest of us getting to watch it.

  65. justintuckrule says: Oct 14, 2013 2:14 PM

    The guy has been to 5, count em’ FIVE, SBs only having ONE wr for ONE year that you can categorize as a WR1. Peyton is close but had 2 HOF WRs for the majority of his career.

    Don’t show me TD/Int stats. The only number that impresses me is 5. Seriously. FIVE. Really? Yes REALLY! FIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    G.O.A.T.

    With the rules protecting QBs and favoring offenses, he can play until he’s 50 as long as he doesn’t lose his fastball.

  66. patriotinvasion says: Oct 14, 2013 2:16 PM

    patsfansknowitall says:
    Oct 14, 2013 1:57 PM
    Ernie Adams deserves some credit too – somehow he knows where the other team is going to line up everytime the Pats play at home.

    The second radio frequency in Brady’s helmet is clutch too.
    _____

    Smh. Tin foil hat wearer. Ernie Adams is your secret society Illuminati making all things happen with puppet strings. Get a life.

  67. justintuckrule says: Oct 14, 2013 2:18 PM

    @blue18hutthutt – so what you’re saying is that Brady has gone deep in the playoffs all but 1 or 2 years he’s been in the league? Quick…who was his RB in 07′? Who led the team in sacks in 11′?

  68. flash1283 says: Oct 14, 2013 2:22 PM

    blue18hutthutt says: Oct 14, 2013 2:07 PM

    Lame, for those 7 examples you gave for a 14 year career I could list 20 that shows how clutch he is.

    And stop with the revisionist history, ” If Brady wasn’t piggy-backed to 3 Superbowls in his early years by his D”, yes the D was good, but Brady had plenty to do with winning those 3 SB’s .

    Funny how people forget, especially the Carolina SB, there was no D played by either team after the first 10 minutes of the First Q.

    But what to you expect from a Colts/Manning fan.

  69. patriotinvasion says: Oct 14, 2013 2:22 PM

    @bluehutthtut

    Pretty good breakdown there. Can’t argue with many of those scenarios. But you’re missing the fact that the defense that played a big role in Brady winning those 3 Super Bowls was never the same from 2005 on. Rodney Harrison getting hurt changed their defense in 2005 and 2006. The 2007 defense really showed it’s age as the season wore on. And the defense from 2008-2012 has been among the worst.

    Yes, Brady hasn’t always come through, but it’s a team game with 53 guys. Montana didn’t win his 4 by himself either, not did he have to deal with free agency and revolving door rosters every year,. he also had a guy who wore #80 who was pretty good I hear.

  70. RE LEE says: Oct 14, 2013 2:24 PM

    Brady is handed a lemon of a situation and he somehow manages to make a wicked sweet lemonade.

  71. sneakyqb says: Oct 14, 2013 2:43 PM

    @patriotinvasion

    Yes or no question Mr. Bias did they cheat, or did they not? What was that, no? You’re right. Plenty of teams get stripped of first round draft picks for no reason. Hopefully those asterisks next to ALL of Brady’s Superbowl wins helps shield your pain and heartache. Have at it.

  72. wolfmanpatriot says: Oct 14, 2013 2:43 PM

    boisestatewhodat says:
    Oct 14, 2013 12:48 PM
    Ted…I’m glad my post a few days ago inspired you enough to remember it. It wouldn’t have mattered if Gronk had played…credit to the Pats D…I did not see a complete shutdown of Graham coming…that said…Talib couldn’t go 60 minutes with the big man. He hurt himself just covering Graham…
    ————–
    Didnt Graham go out as result of the very same play Talib went out? I am sure you have read that Graham is having an MRI.
    Talib made Graham impotent. Pats D dominated saints O with this happening. Since many of you Saint fans say the Pats are average and had no chance, you have no choice to agree that without Graham, the Saints are easy to beat. If Graham is out for a while, any ol team will beat your aints.
    Bummer. I was hoping they would bring down the over rated ponies a peg. Now, the giants are a threat for the aints. Sub par defense and now, an average offense, doesnt spell success.
    Poor babies

  73. flash1283 says: Oct 14, 2013 2:43 PM

    @bluehutthtut Should’ve lost the previous week after throwing 0TD and 2INT against the Ravens.

    Funny you mention he had 0 TD passes in that game but left out the part about Brady scoring the game winning TD on 4th and goal by going over the top.

    Do we really need to make a list of all Mannings playoff failures

  74. CKL says: Oct 14, 2013 2:59 PM

    I’m a Pats fan and that was the best regular season win in awhile. Not just because they won in the last minute but also because they beat a team coached by a guy I think is second only to BB as a HC gameplanning wise.

    TB doesn’t always make every play when it needs to be made. No QB does. What impressed me is that on a day where he wasn’t playing his best, he made a great throw when it absolutely needed to be made.

  75. justintuckrule says: Oct 14, 2013 3:26 PM

    CKL says:
    Oct 14, 2013 2:59 PM
    I’m a Pats fan and that was the best regular season win in awhile. Not just because they won in the last minute but also because they beat a team coached by a guy I think is second only to BB as a HC gameplanning wise.
    ———-
    Wrong. It was good because it put a Jerry Jones look on that blowhard Rob Ryan. Priceless.

  76. patriotinvasion says: Oct 14, 2013 3:31 PM

    @sneakyqb No more than any team who has ever gotten away with a holding call that led to a touchdown or prevented a score with illegal contact that wasn’t called.

    They broke a rule of where they can have some 25 year old video production intern stand and point a camera. Doesn’t kick 45 yard field goals in snow storms, doesn’t shut down Peyton’s Colts, doesn’t force turnovers, doesn’t return punts, and smart teams who understood that signals could be stolen with or without a camera routinely changed signals as preventative measure. It’s why virtually all NFL coaches from Bill Cowher to Jimmy Johnson and others have never blown up “spygate” like ESPN and the fans who were left in the Patriots’ wake have over the past decade. Those coaches have vehemently downplayed the significance of what happened and Jimmy Johnson went so far as to admit that he too did the same thing. A guy that won 2 Super Bowls with the Cowboys says he did it and no one cares because you are all too obsessed with the New England Patriots continued greatness. Love it.

  77. brazzz01 says: Oct 14, 2013 3:58 PM

    Would have been nice if Brady used some of that clutch-ness in the last two Super Bowls… he had the ball last both times, and zero points both times….

  78. lamar2006 says: Oct 14, 2013 3:58 PM

    yeah, not that hard to look “clutch” when your offensive lineman was blatantly holding on that game winning drive…………

  79. brazzz01 says: Oct 14, 2013 4:00 PM

    Brady now has a new one game TD passing streak.

    This is a legit streak, unlike the 52 game fake one that had a Brady-passing-TD-less 2011 AFC Championship game in the middle of it…

  80. lamar2006 says: Oct 14, 2013 4:02 PM

    what an obvious favoritism. when the cowboys did the exact same thing against the redskins in 2010, holding was called on them.

  81. hpeters77 says: Oct 14, 2013 4:10 PM

    Anyone could be clutch with the refs in the pocket

  82. vaphinfan says: Oct 14, 2013 4:10 PM

    You guys are crazy. They beat a good team in their own place where weird things and calls always seem to happen and they dont put on espn. Overated lime usual

    spygate

    1972

  83. sneakyqb says: Oct 14, 2013 4:10 PM

    @patriotinvasion

    So your arguments are that because some people have done the same thing and that because some people don’t think it made a difference it therefore did not make a difference? Doesn’t make sense to me but okay. Soooo if some people think steroids are okay (Rodney Harrison) and some people don’t make a big deal out of it, the steroids will not affect games? Flawless logic from a Pat’s fan, Love it

  84. brazzz01 says: Oct 14, 2013 4:10 PM

    Pretty good breakdown there. Can’t argue with many of those scenarios. But you’re missing the fact that the defense that played a big role in Brady winning those 3 Super Bowls was never the same from 2005 on. Rodney Harrison getting hurt changed their defense in 2005 and 2006. The 2007 defense really showed it’s age as the season wore on. And the defense from 2008-2012 has been among the worst.

    ————

    With Pats and Brady haters….Brady should get no credit if the Patriots win…. but he is always 100% to blame if they lose. Simple logic I tell ya.

  85. rhazorrhamon says: Oct 14, 2013 4:19 PM

    Cracks me up listening to people look for anything to dig on the pats…if its not a daily spygate dig now there’s a choke hold by solder…I’ll say go back and watch Richard Seymour being choked from behind, while he has a hand on Eli, on the tyree play…..pretty blatant…but most don’t even acknowledge it…it’s simply Brady choking

  86. flash1283 says: Oct 14, 2013 4:26 PM

    sneakyqb says:
    Oct 14, 2013 4:10 PM
    @patriotinvasion

    So your arguments are that because some people have done the same thing and that because some people don’t think it made a difference it therefore did not make a difference? Doesn’t make sense to me but okay. Soooo if some people think steroids are okay (Rodney Harrison) and some people don’t make a big deal out of it, the steroids will not affect games? Flawless logic from a Pat’s fan, Love it

    The part you are missing is it is NOT illegal to video.
    The Patriots received a fine because of the location from which they filmed. That’s it. You can still do it today from the designated areas. Or do the exact same thing with 2 coaches in the box with a pen and paper and some binaculars.

    Don’t you ever why you never here about “spygate” from any of the major sports outlets , ESPN, Fox , CBS or NBC

    The best proof that it was blown way overboard was BB voted coach of the year for the 07 season. And that’s somthing that’s voted on by sports writers from around the country.

  87. sneakyqb says: Oct 14, 2013 4:54 PM

    @flash1283
    From the NFL’s Constitution & Bylaws (article 9): “Any use by any club at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which such club is a participant, of any communications or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, shall be prohibited, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping, or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic devices that might aid a team during the playing of a game.

    And I seem to remember Spygate being covered by the media outlets you mentioned. Please stop commenting on things you know nothing about. Thank you

  88. thetwilightsown says: Oct 14, 2013 4:56 PM

    In response, Belicheck replied, “Wouldn’t you be if your Left Tackle could choke the sh*t out of a defender? Isn’t he a miracle? Isn’t he a vision? Didn’t Matt Cassell do essentially the same damn thing when he was behind this humble, team-first, American Hero offensive line? Wait… what was the question again?”

    LOLZ on Pats fans coming in here and doing the exact same thing all these water-carrying announcers do: make excuses for what everyone else can see, then accuse everyone else of making excuses.

    It’s all good. We know how it works – just admit it.

  89. patriotinvasion says: Oct 14, 2013 4:57 PM

    @flash — Well no reason to film or have a pad and paper today since there are no longer defensive hand signals. Like the offense, all defenses get the play call via helmet communication.

    But yes, the spygaters won’t acknowledge that what the Pats camera flunky recorded could easily be seen by an opposing coach with binoculars and a pen and paper. Just write down the down and distance, do a quick sketch of the signal that came from the defensive coaches (there were dummy signalers btw too, hmmm wonder why?)…and then either write down the coverage you see or make note of the time the play was run and go back and watch the game tape. Voila…there you go…spying/signal stealing/whatever you want to call it…all done easily by other teams. The only thing the camera does it make it a little more convenient that what I just described.

  90. flash1283 says: Oct 14, 2013 5:52 PM

    Page 105 of the Game Operations manual says: ‘No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches’ booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game.’ It later says: ‘All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead.’
    —-
    So again it IS ALLOWED if done in the designated areas.

  91. flash1283 says: Oct 14, 2013 6:06 PM

    And again answer the question. If it was such a horrible thing that the evil Belichick did why was he voted coach of the year?

    Why would a “cheater” get voted coach of the year?

  92. sneakyqb says: Oct 14, 2013 6:06 PM

    @flash
    It’s allowed in designated areas, but still can’t be used to gain an advantage, such as i dunno, videotaping your opponent’s play calls. I’m sure you can find a way to split hairs on that as well. The point I’m making is that there is no way of knowing how much, or if at all it affected games. The league determined it was significant enough to strip the Pats of a first rounder. I can’t remember the last time the league doled out that severe of a punishment to a club. You may not think so, but the powers that be in the NFL thought it was a serious offense

  93. blackngold4877 says: Oct 14, 2013 6:23 PM

    Saints fans complaining about the lack of holding call please stop ignoring that on the TD to Stills he literally pushed down with both hands on Dennard and launched himself up, pretty obvious offensive PI that wasnt called.

  94. tedmurph says: Oct 14, 2013 6:37 PM

    @brazz: I usually don’t bother with haters, but since you keep repeating the same flawed logic…every sport distinguishes between reg sea and the postseason record wise. They have to, not all teams are in the postseason or play the same amount of gms. It would be meaningless. It’d be like saying someone had the most yardage TDs, home runs etc, counting the postseason as well as sthe reg season.

    As far as Brady in SB losses, they may have not scored enough pts, sometimes the D couldn’t get off the field(TOP), sometimes they couldn’t block the Giants pass rush, but both times Brady left the D with the lead w/under 3 mins to go. Each time the D couldn’t hold them, whether the Giants made miracle plays or just made more plays than the Pats(Manningham catch). Brady is the G.O.A.T.

  95. koenig61 says: Oct 14, 2013 7:53 PM

    Not a pats nor Brady hater, but Goodell did them no favors by destroying the evidence. It leaves a huge smoking gun for all those people skeptical of whether of not the tapes showed anything that helped the patriots win. It’s also worth noting, that belichick doesn’t do anything, and I mean anything, if he doesn’t feel it either gives his team and edge, or will help them win. So he taped for a reason. Bigger question, is why destroy the evidence Goodell?

  96. tedmurph says: Oct 14, 2013 8:40 PM

    Another misinformed hater. Goodell showed the tapes the Pats turned over to the league at a press conference, then destroyed them to make sure no one leaked them and someone could get a competitive edge because those tapes were recent. The tapes MWalsh turned over were old and weren’t destroyed. Walsh had to sign an agreement not to sell them and was even allow to keep some. Goodell said they didn’t show anything new, and no further action was taken against the Pats. They still exist. This was after the alleged taping of a Rams walkthru turned out to be a fabrication, by Walsh, a fired, disgruntled ex-employee and the Boston Herald retracted the story and apologized. Haters just want to believe the conspiracy theories. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story or even bother to learn them. There is no smoking gun.

  97. patriotinvasion says: Oct 14, 2013 8:41 PM

    Goodell held a press conference where they showed multiple tapes and what was on them. A camera pointed at defensive signal callers, cheerleaders, and the scoreboard. The people who say he destroyed the evidence seem to forget that press conference. All they did was destroy the remaining tapes which showed the same stuff. Not sure why everyone thinks the other tapes show who killed JFK and Martians landing in Roswell.

  98. koenig61 says: Oct 14, 2013 8:55 PM

    Relax, I’m not claiming anything was on those tapes, I’m just saying did the patriots no favors destroying them. It’s easy to see how anyone could say, you only showed us 4 of 10 tapes and you’re saying that’s because the other 6 all have similar things. Then why destroy them? How yo I know for certain those other 6 show the same things? Maybe you only showed me the 4 with the least incriminating evidence. No court in the land destroys evidence, even after the case has been tried. They keep that sh!t forever. Goodells a Mormon, and worst part is, he’s a lawyer. And again, I’m not claiming anything. MILF you read my post you see that I’m blaming Goodell for this mess. Lighten up.

  99. tedmurph says: Oct 14, 2013 9:10 PM

    The Pats taped defensive signals from the wrong position. It was against the rules. They admitted it, cooperated and were sanctioned. What could possibly be on the tapes that were more incriminating? Less shots of Herm Edwards mugging for the camerea and opposing cheerleaders? The 95% of people that believe that are just fans of the many teams the Pats trampled on the way to Championships, and refuse to believe their teams just got beat. I find it funny they spend their lives obsessing about it.

  100. brazzz01 says: Oct 14, 2013 10:47 PM

    The tapes were destroyed to make sure there would be no more out there. Nothing more, nothing less.

    And therefore if another one showed up, Bill would probably be looking at a major suspension or worse.

  101. brazzz01 says: Oct 14, 2013 10:53 PM

    tedmurph,

    You go ahead and cheer on those silly regular season “streaks”. I prefer to cheer on real ones.

    Brady’s “TD streak” meant nothing to me. Because he didn’t have a TD pass for 52 games in a row. It was 23 games, starting with Super Bowl 46.

    Or Tom Brady’s “home winning streak” a couple years ago…even though we’re supposed to cover our eyes, plug our ears, and pretend we forgot that the Pats got rolled by the Jets in the 2010 Divisional playoff at home.

  102. brazzz01 says: Oct 14, 2013 10:58 PM

    And I’m not talking about all stats. Just streaks. A streak is a series of games in a row. Not a series of games in a row where you count most of them and ignore a few.

  103. sneakyqb says: Oct 14, 2013 11:23 PM

    Regardless of whether you believe spygate changed games or not, the nfl handed out a stiff penalty to the pats for cheating. They cheated to win their 3 titles and that is fact. No one is denying that. It seems everyone here is stating that they cheated but it wasn’t that big of a deal, which is pure speculation. Love the fact that those asterisks will always be there

  104. mtrhead269 says: Oct 15, 2013 1:23 AM

    Hate all you want. The guy has the highest winning % in the regular season ever.

    The most playoff wins ever.

    Top playoff winning Pct. Ever.

    Played most of his career with subpar talent catching the football.

    Pretty good career so far. Best ever I don’t know top five most likely.

  105. brazzz01 says: Oct 15, 2013 10:17 AM

    They cheated to win their 3 titles and that is fact.

    Actually it is not fact.

    What they were caught doing in week 1 of 2007 was legal when they were winning SB’s. Ain’t cheating if it was legal.

    No asterisks.

  106. patriotinvasion says: Oct 15, 2013 10:54 AM

    Can someone point to the NFL record book that shows an asterisk next to any Super Bowl title?

    All I see when I put on NFL Network or ESPN is Brady and Belichick hoisting those Lombardi Trophies in all of that NFL Films slow motion glory. Expect to see it for years and years to come…even more so when both are voted first ballot Hall of Famers. And continue to be reminded of all of the pain the Patriots have cause you and your teams. (Gianst fans not included in this rant)…haha.

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