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Mike Shanahan not happy with officials on touched punt ruling

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Washington appeared to catch a break on Sunday night when a punt bounced into a Dallas player, and Washington recovered. But the break didn’t last long.

After the officials discussed it, they ruled that the Washington player blocked the Dallas player into the ball while the Dallas player was standing there passively, which under the rules means the Dallas player did not touch the ball at all. After the game, Shanahan sounded unhappy with the officials about that ruling.

“I can’t figure it out. I can’t figure it out. I don’t think they could figure it out,” Shanahan said.

NFL Rule 9, Article 2, Section 4 says that “a player is not considered to have touched the ball if he is blocked into it by an opponent, provided he is in a passive position and not blocking. A player who is engaged with and blocking his opponent when he contacts the ball is deemed to have touched the ball.” So what it comes down to is a judgment call by the officials: Was the Dallas player engaged and blocking? Or was he in a passive position?

The officials thought he was passive. Shanahan disagreed, but the call isn’t reviewable.

“You can’t challenge it,” Shanahan said. “When the official makes that call there’s nothing you can do about it.”

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  1. losntina69 says: Oct 14, 2013 8:57 AM

    You should be unhappy with all the missed tackles and dropped footballs. Even if the call stood, all we would have gotten were 3 points. Need to get back to the basics.

  2. golforepar says: Oct 14, 2013 8:58 AM

    I saw and could care less who won last nights game, but that was a terrible call! In 40 years of following football I have NEVER seen that called.

  3. rg3andthensome says: Oct 14, 2013 8:58 AM

    Agree….RG3 looked like his old self, but we need some OFFENSIVE LINE LBS to help out and get the ball down the field…No more piece meal.

    We need stars on the REDSKINS…SORRY BOB if you are offended.

  4. bleedgreen says: Oct 14, 2013 9:00 AM

    The Dallas player was absolutely engaged in a block. He was not passively standing there in any way shape or form. And I hate the Redskins.

  5. wryly1 says: Oct 14, 2013 9:00 AM

    Coaches blaming officials is really no different than politicians blaming the media for their own mistakes and shortcomings.

  6. skoobyfl says: Oct 14, 2013 9:01 AM

    Anyone see the phantom facemask penalty called on Buffalo ?? Dalton turned his own head & the Bills get a flag, what a joke.

  7. skinsrock says: Oct 14, 2013 9:01 AM

    Too many rules that are left open for interpretation… Come on! If the ball hits the opposing defender, it is a LIVE ball! Always has been, always should be.

  8. jimthebuilder27 says: Oct 14, 2013 9:02 AM

    Shanarat unhappy with a call? Surprise!

    The guy knows his team is one of the most disappointing this year and will soon be grasping at straws!

  9. philgrek says: Oct 14, 2013 9:02 AM

    Shouldn’t matter anyway. The touched-punt-fumble rule is the worst rule in the sport. “Oo, oo, you accidentally touched the ball! We get it! We get it!” I don’t even like it to happen FOR my team because its hands-down the cheapest way to “earn” a turn-over. If these are the kinds of plays you’re hoping for or aruging for as a coach or player you might want to re-evaluate your team.

  10. gbfanforever says: Oct 14, 2013 9:05 AM

    Nothing is cheaper than getting a turnover from a random bounce of a punt into a blocker, I hate those plays. The Dallas guy was getting pushed toward the ball. I’ve seen refs make this call before in games and was happy to see them make it in this case.

  11. mrbigass says: Oct 14, 2013 9:05 AM

    Couple observations. Shanny, you have way more to worry about than one play.

    Last year, he left RGKnee on the field way too long and aggravated his injuries.

    This year, he has rushed him back on the field and it was obvious he wasn’t ready.

    Two very poor decisions and it just goes to the extreme pressure to win in the NFL……

  12. floratiotime says: Oct 14, 2013 9:06 AM

    You mean you can’t push people into the ball and pretend they touched it? You can’t pay off your bad debts in a non-cap year either. Next to the Pats the Skins are the biggest cheaters.

  13. Smarterthanyou says: Oct 14, 2013 9:06 AM

    The FraudIII keeps on exposing himself as a 3rd tier QB each week.
    Lovin it

  14. eaglesnoles05 says: Oct 14, 2013 9:09 AM

    Well why don’t you scowl and be a gaunt-faced lobster about it?

  15. fiverings37 says: Oct 14, 2013 9:12 AM

    Bahahahahah! All I can say is “Wait till LAST year!”
    Skins are DONE!!

  16. pooflingingmonkey says: Oct 14, 2013 9:13 AM

    Shanahan will run RGIII into the ground trying to salvage this ruined season. Washington should start trying to identify head coach prospects for next year.

  17. stunzeed5 says: Oct 14, 2013 9:15 AM

    There are 3 comments in here from the same person with multiple user names.

  18. jbeagles23 says: Oct 14, 2013 9:16 AM

    Hate both teams but based on the rule it was a fumble. The Dallas player was engaged in a block. The refs acrewed that one up

  19. camdenyard says: Oct 14, 2013 9:16 AM

    “I can’t figure it out. I can’t figure it out. I don’t think they could figure it out,” Shanahan said.
    =================================

    What’s there to figure out? Read the rule. It’s pretty clear. And it was pretty obvious from the replay the officials got it right.

  20. ashutto20 says: Oct 14, 2013 9:18 AM

    So we barely touch rg3 while he dances near the sideline and isnt out of bounds yet and we get called for the penalty (granted its the rules but its very ticky tacky) yet we got tackled twice out of bounds in the white area and no call??? Rules are rules mike deal with it…they go both ways (while your complaining…make sure your asst coach is out of the way)

  21. djcologne says: Oct 14, 2013 9:19 AM

    You could tell…..he was a tad red in the face!

  22. gorilladunk says: Oct 14, 2013 9:19 AM

    Shanny needs to concentrate more on his pathetic time management at the end of the first half. Or decide how he find a special teams coach. His unit can’t cover and he gets a penalty, to boot! His QB can’t hit the broad side of a barn door and his offensive line was thrown around by a bunch of guys who, for the most part, are someone else’s rejects. I’d say the officials are the least of his troubles (especially considering his team benefited greatly from two very questionable roughness penalties). Hail! …… To 3rd place in the division.

  23. gibson34 says: Oct 14, 2013 9:20 AM

    wha wha wha….how about the 3 horrible 15 yders on 2 players and the coach for arguing with an official….

    crying about officiating is a loser mentality and shanny and company is a joke. He knows he will be fired or will leave on his own and 4skin nation will be right back where they stared…cellar dweller…..

    FTTR

    where is illogical voice? don’t jump buddy….LMAO.

  24. peytonsneck18 says: Oct 14, 2013 9:23 AM

    Rg3 has more turnovers than Luck, hmmmm well redskins fans who kept bringing that up last year, eat crow much? IRG3 A overated fraud! !!

  25. bluebongzilla says: Oct 14, 2013 9:23 AM

    Shanahan has bigger problems to worry about, like keeping his coaching staff out of the refs’ way, the terrible special teams, and no John Elway or Terrell Davis.

  26. bennyb82 says: Oct 14, 2013 9:24 AM

    Not only was it a bad call, it is a bad rule. If a guy is being “passive” that close to a live football maybe he deserves to get knocked into it.

  27. 700levelvet says: Oct 14, 2013 9:25 AM

    When your team is overrated… It’s either complaints or excuses. And the Redskins came into the season WAY overrated.

  28. peytonsneck18 says: Oct 14, 2013 9:25 AM

    Yea the skins lost because of THAT call *sarcasm* u guys blow on every facet of the game, special teams, offense, defense, at lease IRG3 has his subway and gatorade endorsement to fall back on..lol

  29. tillihawk says: Oct 14, 2013 9:27 AM

    Jerry always pays the refs well when Washington is in town.. did you see one holding call on Dallas all night? no !! Skins DL were getting tackled at the line of scrimmage all night..

  30. seatownballers says: Oct 14, 2013 9:27 AM

    Logicalvoicesays; it’s not a sprint it’s a marathon.

    Everyone else; that race started 6 weeks ago, and the skins haven’t even moved off the line.

    Oh yea…
    @larrydavid
    Bob the third is ineffective, and your defense sucks

  31. tommyajar says: Oct 14, 2013 9:29 AM

    I find it funny that he is complaining about that call, when the officiating was terrible all game, including the two personal foul (late hit) penalties that they called on the Cowboys for hitting RG3 “late”! Such B.S.! When the call goes in his favor, he has no problems with the officiating! WHATEVER DUDE!

  32. bennyb82 says: Oct 14, 2013 9:29 AM

    Did anyone notice the entirely different demeanor of RG3 last night? He looked nothing like the qb from the first 4 games this year. That look in his eyes was just different.

  33. deshackle says: Oct 14, 2013 9:30 AM

    Time for Shanahan to start evaluating players to see who wants to be on the team next year.

  34. blueagle78 says: Oct 14, 2013 9:34 AM

    Not that I care, but, it didn’t count because the player blocking him was out of bounds.

  35. melikefootball says: Oct 14, 2013 9:43 AM

    Have to agree on this one. The league behind closed door need to look at how the officials are blowing more and more calls. Watching games yesterday saw a lot of thins called in one game and the same stuff not called in another. Time the league allows some voice by teams and coaches.

  36. 1bigtex says: Oct 14, 2013 9:43 AM

    Well, at least logical’s excuse for this loss has been successfully identified. I can see it now, “We’re God’s team, but everyone else is against us”.

    And while we’re at it, where is LarryDavid to explain to us how we should “sit back and watch the greatness happen”. I guess he was talking about a player gaining 222 yards in return yardage in a game by himself. That was a pretty good example of greatness. NFC Special Teams Player of the Week no doubt. Didn’t see much “greatness” from the other side of the field though.

  37. dallascowboysdishingthereal says: Oct 14, 2013 9:48 AM

    Waah waah waah! Stop crying Shanahan. The officials didn’t cause you to go 1-4. You just stink.

  38. fordmandalay says: Oct 14, 2013 9:49 AM

    Maybe Shanahan should concentrate on little things like ‘time management’ (that mess at the end of the first half was nothing new) and bonehead penalties. He’s a good 10 years past his coaching expiration date, it’s time to take the car keys away from grandpa.

  39. 25cuts says: Oct 14, 2013 9:51 AM

    Skins stink. Overrated with a trash D. Can’t wait for them to come to philly. Yea yea your team has rings, off course what else can u say. Being a fan is being a fan if the here and now and as much as you like pointing out the rings from 20 some years ago bc your self esteem is low, we’ll still enjoy beating that a$$

  40. abninf says: Oct 14, 2013 9:54 AM

    1-4 haha. The Colts made the best choice by far.

  41. harrisonhits2 says: Oct 14, 2013 10:12 AM

    Shanny had a confused deer in the headlights look on his face much of the game.

    Looks like senility is starting to set in when he can’t even understand a well spelled out rule.

  42. skinsfan91 says: Oct 14, 2013 10:14 AM

    The defense played well. Shut Dez Bryant down. Offense moved the ball. Crappy in the redzone and special teams.

  43. thirdistheworrd says: Oct 14, 2013 10:24 AM

    ashutto20 says: Oct 14, 2013 9:18 AM

    So we barely touch rg3 while he dances near the sideline and isnt out of bounds yet and we get called for the penalty (granted its the rules but its very ticky tacky) yet we got tackled twice out of bounds in the white area and no call??? Rules are rules mike deal with it…they go both ways (while your complaining…make sure your asst coach is out of the way)
    ____________________
    As a Redskins fan, I did think those were both kind of ticky tacky UR calls, however, at the same time, on the first (I believe it was Scandrick), Griffin was making a B-line out of bounds and he went for the hit anyway. Babytwn frolics– don’t do that. On the second (Church?) he clearly went for the low hit on Griffin’s knees while Griffin was decidedly out of bounds. Dumb, you gotta know that’s a call.

    And you can talk about “both ways”, but keep in mind, there were 6 Redskin penalties and the punt call before there a single call went against the Cowboys. Rule #37- No excuses, play like a champion; the Redskins lost, end of story, but yall really don’t have too much to complain about in that game.

  44. zam0854 says: Oct 14, 2013 10:28 AM

    logicalvoicesays HAS OFFICIALLY CRAWLED BACK UNDERNEATH THAT ROCK FOR ANOTHER 20 YEARS!!!!

    #burgundy&goldFRAUDS

  45. woodrree7 says: Oct 14, 2013 10:29 AM

    all I have to say is…. 31-16…… Get over it!!

  46. getyourownname says: Oct 14, 2013 10:31 AM

    If Shanny is not happy, we can only wonder how unhappy and depressed Little Danny Snyder feels. And after all, it is all about him.

  47. blackqbwhiterb says: Oct 14, 2013 10:33 AM

    That was one bad call in a game full of bad calls. The Redskins lost for several obvious reasons-
    1. The O-Line was dominated by the Dallas D-line, who happen to be a bunch of backups, btw…
    2. Special teams were awful in every facet
    3. RG3 has lost his accuracy, clearly, and
    4. Kyle’s playcalling & time management were poor, it looked like he was running the offense with Rex Grossman in 2011……..

  48. cunninghampeetemcnabbvick says: Oct 14, 2013 10:40 AM

    Wow, Redskins look terrible! Who cares about a bad call. Almost every single game I have ever watched as had at least one bad call.

    Shanahan should face facts and realize this is not a good football team. Not even a little bit good. This team has 1 more win then the Giants, and after watching both teams play this week, I’m willing to bet the Giants get their first win before the Redskins get their second.

  49. thirdistheworrd says: Oct 14, 2013 10:41 AM

    harrisonhits2 says: Oct 14, 2013 10:12 AM

    Shanny had a confused deer in the headlights look on his face much of the game.

    Looks like senility is starting to set in when he can’t even understand a well spelled out rule.
    ___________
    Have you, personally ever, ever, seen that rule called before? Would you have even guessed it was a rule before last night? On top of which, he was clearly blocking his man after the muffed punt and giving his team the best chance to recover the ball, which is his job, and jobs are inherently aggressive. Whether or not the muffed kick rule is stupid, and whether or not the passive block rule is stupid, it was not executed well last night.

  50. bendover09 says: Oct 14, 2013 11:03 AM

    Cry baby shannah if the officials did not help you the Cowboys would’ve blown you out the water. RG3 leaps in the air then gets pushed out of bounds.. his feet never touched the ground yet and we still get called roughing the passer. Twice. Not to mention the other three pts you got from out coach giving up another 15 yards bc we sacked RG3. Redskins were given 9 pts last night from the refs.

  51. Grulks says: Oct 14, 2013 11:06 AM

    I have seen that rule three times as of last night. The very first time I saw it was probably 10 years ago or so, and before it was even ruled on my first thought was, that’s BS, how can you push a guy into a punted ball, and then count that as a turn over? As far as passive goes, if you rewatch the play, he is not engaged with the player at all, until after the Skins player starts pushing him. He is simply facing the player, with this hands up. What do you expect him to do, get pushed and not try to hold on?

  52. souldogdave says: Oct 14, 2013 11:31 AM

    This is actually pretty funny. The intent of the player pushed is the determining factor. If they just shove him into it and that counts as a turnover, that’s the best cheating-technique I’ve seen from Shanarat in quite some time.

  53. obmig says: Oct 14, 2013 11:36 AM

    If they had gotten that call they might have scored 19 points yesterday and still lost. Non issue.

  54. httrgfy says: Oct 14, 2013 11:43 AM

    Mike should be more concerned about his stupid kid calling a good game. First offensives series of the game Redskins go no huddle and move easily down the field so little Kyle decides to never use it again! Even down by 2 scores with 5 minutes left in the game. IDIOT!!! I can’t believe this guy is an O coordinator in the nfl. Oh that’s right his daddy is the head coach. Pathetic

  55. thirdistheworrd says: Oct 14, 2013 11:46 AM

    woodrree7 says: Oct 14, 2013 10:29 AM

    all I have to say is…. 31-16…… Get over it!!
    _____________
    blackqbwhiterb says: Oct 14, 2013 10:33 AM

    That was one bad call in a game full of bad calls. The Redskins lost for several obvious reasons-
    1. The O-Line was dominated by the Dallas D-line, who happen to be a bunch of backups, btw…
    2. Special teams were awful in every facet
    3. RG3 has lost his accuracy, clearly, and
    4. Kyle’s playcalling & time management were poor, it looked like he was running the offense with Rex Grossman in 2011……..
    ___________________
    I feel like I’m the only non-pessimistic Redskins fan talking right now because I’m the only one who understands what last night was. That was not a “BS loss” for the Redskins, or a “dominating win” by the Cowboys. That was a great rivalry game from the greatest rivalry in the NFL. And as heartbreaking as it was for us, that was a great game. Even the most die-hard Dallas fan can’t deny that the game was far closer than it appeared. It really came down to two plays, the Griffin fumble and the illegal motion penalty that turned a coffin corner punt into a touchdown (totally the right call, though).

    If you’re trying to argue that the Redskins didn’t play pretty darn well last night, you’re simply being willfully ignorant. Especially considering how awful our team looked over the first four weeks, and how great the Cowboys looked last week, the Redskins played their hearts out last night, and you know that’s a fact.

    And blackqbwhiterb (Tongan RB?) that’s just pessimistic. The Redskins came out executed exactly the game plan they wanted to execute- control the clock and keep the Cowboys offense off the field. The problem with that game plan is that if you can’t punch the ball into the endzone, controlling the clock isn’t going to win games, especially considering the state of the defense and how well the Dallas offense is playing.

  56. shalakka says: Oct 14, 2013 12:05 PM

    Im not happy with kyle, he doesn’t have a clue.
    just terrible play calling especially down by the goal line.
    its like chess, he knows how to move the pieces, but he doesn’t know how to set up plays and control the game.
    in my opinion the redskins will never get better with kyle as the OC.
    what have the shanahans done besides tank a season and draft Robert.

  57. ziplock10 says: Oct 14, 2013 12:27 PM

    You cant be an average team and then have 1 phase of your team stink the high heavens.

    The special teams is so bad, the idiot coach got a penalty.

    This team has lost its control. The clock management was like this when we had Grossman.

    The Red Lobster is blaming officials but all he has to do is look at game tape and the mirror. They go no huddle in the beginning of the game and not the end.

    Go figure….

  58. thirdistheworrd says: Oct 14, 2013 12:34 PM

    shalakka says: Oct 14, 2013 12:05 PM

    Im not happy with kyle, he doesn’t have a clue.
    just terrible play calling especially down by the goal line.
    its like chess, he knows how to move the pieces, but he doesn’t know how to set up plays and control the game.
    in my opinion the redskins will never get better with kyle as the OC.
    what have the shanahans done besides tank a season and draft Robert.
    _____________________
    Kyle did not coach a great game last night, in fact he coached a very shoddy game, but having such a short memory that you can’t give him credit for last season is just silly. Also this knee jerk overreaction overexpectation anger from our fanbase is equally silly.

    AP, a man who is arguably already one of the GOAT, didn’t rush for 100 yards in a game until his sixth game following his knee reconstruction. Griffin looked mobile and coordinated but didn’t execute perfectly in his fifth game back, so clearly we should fire the entire coaching staff. Great call, buddy.

    And as for what “the Shanahan’s have done?” Mike has drafted more starters in the last four years than any other team in the league and has more draft picks on the roster than any other team in the NFL. Changing the coaching staff of a team with a plethora of young, developing talent would be the worst possible move for this franchise to make. Shanahan asked for five years to put together a playoff team, he made it in three. Next year will be the first year of the five in which the Shanahan Redskins will be able to make real free agency moves. Until then there’s nothing to talk about.

    We lost a heartbreaker last night, but the team is young, Robert Griffin is 23: Romo, Eli, and Vick are 33– we look pretty darn bad right now, but the first four games of a season do not guarantee two more decades of gloom, doom, and despair. And that goes for naysayers on both sides of the aisle. Moral of the story is that everybody needs to chill out.

  59. cwk22 says: Oct 14, 2013 1:02 PM

    His stupid time management at end of first half should be what he is concerned about. Waste 15 seconds and don’t use a time out only to have QB quickly throw it out of bounds? I HATE the cowboys, but that loss is on you and your team. Stop Romo and you could have complained this call was difference in the game. But not now!

  60. thirdistheworrd says: Oct 14, 2013 1:25 PM

    cwk22 says: Oct 14, 2013 1:02 PM

    His stupid time management at end of first half should be what he is concerned about. Waste 15 seconds and don’t use a time out only to have QB quickly throw it out of bounds? I HATE the cowboys, but that loss is on you and your team. Stop Romo and you could have complained this call was difference in the game. But not now!
    __________
    No one’s arguing this call was the difference in the game. The point is that the difference in the game was slighter than it appeared. Setting this call aside, is Griffin doesn’t fumble on his own four-yard line and the Redskins don’t have to re-kick the punt return TD, this is a very different game. Still a deserved Cowboys win, but no can be, or should be, arguing that the Redskins embarrassed themselves. The Redskins dominated the time of possession battle, but the Cowboys staunch red zone defense was the difference maker in this one.

    Point is not (people always seem to miss that word) that the Redskins should have won, but that if Will Montgomery blocks Sean Lee right instead of left, Griffin scores on the QB draw on the first drive; Santana Moss doesn’t get knocked over on the last minute interception, you’re looking at a whole different ball game. End of the day, this was a very close great game from two teams who take this rivalry very seriously and both played their hearts out last night. Cowboys deserved the win, but the Redskins should not be ashamed of themselves either. Great game.

  61. tincansailor981 says: Oct 14, 2013 1:36 PM

    The Red Lobster speaks and as usual he’s full of blame for everyone else.

  62. bluebongzilla says: Oct 14, 2013 1:39 PM

    You know, if the Cowboys don’t get two ticky-tacky unnecessary roughness penalties, you’re looking at a different ball game. If a Romo pass doesn’t get tipped at the line, you’re looking at a different ball game. If Cowboys receivers didn’t drop about 7 passes in a row late in the game, you’re looking at a different ball game. What, you think only the Redskins get those “if’s”?

  63. bluebongzilla says: Oct 14, 2013 1:43 PM

    “And as for what “the Shanahan’s have done?” Mike has drafted more starters in the last four years than any other team in the league and has more draft picks on the roster than any other team in the NFL.”

    That’s more of a statement of the condition of the team he inherited. Just because a guy is on a roster and/or starts for a particular team doesn’t mean he’s that good as far as the rest of the NFL is concerned. The bottom line is they’re 1-4, and a decidely below-average team after four years of Shanny magic.

  64. Mr. Wright 212 says: Oct 14, 2013 1:47 PM

    Let’s see. The bogus call when they roughed Weatherford, Tyron Smith gets away with a half dozen criminal holding penalties every game and now this? You don’t say. That was a horrible judgment call.

  65. trebor64 says: Oct 14, 2013 1:59 PM

    Seen a lot of bad calls this weekend. need to start fining referee’s for bad calls, just like they fine players for legal hits…

  66. trebor64 says: Oct 14, 2013 2:00 PM

    Or suspend them for a game or two…

  67. trebor64 says: Oct 14, 2013 2:03 PM

    American Indians are not upset with the name RedSkins, it’s the name Washington they don’t like..

  68. thirdistheworrd says: Oct 14, 2013 2:09 PM

    bluebongzilla says: Oct 14, 2013 1:39 PM

    You know, if the Cowboys don’t get two ticky-tacky unnecessary roughness penalties, you’re looking at a different ball game. If a Romo pass doesn’t get tipped at the line, you’re looking at a different ball game. If Cowboys receivers didn’t drop about 7 passes in a row late in the game, you’re looking at a different ball game. What, you think only the Redskins get those “if’s”?
    _____________
    As I said, very clearly, the Cowboys deserved that win. Rule #37– No excuses, play like a champion. “If’s” never win ball games, “if’s” never even win arguments, but “if’s” make ball games great. What “if” Romo had been sacked 26 times,what “if” Griffin hadn’t needed reconstructive knee surgery? You can make up all the “if’s” you want, but saying that wasn’t a very competitive football game is the definition of willfull ignorance.

    Notice how no Cowboys fan has disagreed with me, because they respect this rivalry and know how well these teams always play each other, no matter how good or bad either team is. If you really need to look that hard for reasons to hate Robert Griffin and the Redskins, you’re kind of a sad person.

  69. channer81 says: Oct 14, 2013 2:12 PM

    It was encouraging to see Bob run like he did on Sunday. We haven’t seen that all year, so hopefully this is the start of better things to come. I still say he won’t be near what he was until week 9 or 10 minimum, if not till next year. I blame Shanny for abandoning the run with 9 min left in the 4th and we were still only down 1 score. Take advantage of Dallas d-line problems, and run it in there with Morris and Helu, I mean does anyone run a DRAW PLAY anymore? Our D was solid in the second half but our special teams let us down. 11 weeks to go..

  70. atthemurph says: Oct 14, 2013 2:18 PM

    floratiotime says:
    Oct 14, 2013 9:06 AM
    You mean you can’t push people into the ball and pretend they touched it? You can’t pay off your bad debts in a non-cap year either.

    ————————————————————

    and a government inexorably in debt cannot borrow more to make things better.

  71. linemanguy74 says: Oct 14, 2013 3:14 PM

    Don’t care about either team but it was really a bad call

  72. thirdistheworrd says: Oct 14, 2013 4:03 PM

    bluebongzilla says: Oct 14, 2013 1:39 PM

    You know, if the Cowboys don’t get two ticky-tacky unnecessary roughness penalties, you’re looking at a different ball game. If a Romo pass doesn’t get tipped at the line, you’re looking at a different ball game. If Cowboys receivers didn’t drop about 7 passes in a row late in the game, you’re looking at a different ball game. What, you think only the Redskins get those “if’s”?
    _____________
    By that logic, the Broncos-Cowboys game last week wasn’t close at all, and the Broncos are an infinitely superior team. The point is that one or two plays can frequently determine the direction of a game and that being on the losing end of those big plays does not mean that a team didn’t play surprisingly well. The scoreboard determines who puts another notch in their win column, which is all that matters, but it doesn’t determine how much heart the other team played with, or how competitive the game was.

  73. shalakka says: Oct 14, 2013 4:53 PM

    turd is the word.?
    I have watched every snap for 7 years now.
    I was excited when they hired shanahan, but since the beginning he hasn’t done much.
    I understand they have a cap penalty of 36 mil over theses last two years.
    but we had a stellar D before he started, crap now.
    offense hasn’t been much since kyle has been in the picture. they were 3-6 last year before they got on a roll, so where is the momentum from last year. we might win next week but there is no way we will beat Denver.
    2-5=crap.
    and I am a die-hard redskins fan.

  74. rustyorange21httr says: Oct 14, 2013 9:24 PM

    All of you hating fans, if you don’t have anything positive to say get off of our site. We lost to Dallas and it burns me up, but we know what we need to do to correct it. We should’ve put Dallas away, but we beat ourselves penalties and a lack discipline and a lack of heart from the O line did us in. Aside from the one TD pass, Dallas offense did not show up, and the running game someone should put out a reward cause it’s no where to be found. The way the boys played Denver they should’ve walked all over us. Our defense played better than our record indicates. Special Teams needs Danny Smith back. MVP-Dwayne Harris. I know everyone who’s bashing the Shanahan’s, RG3 and the rest of the “REDSKINS” get a football IQ. You sound like a bunch of Monday morning arm chair QB’s. All you haters talk like your teams top flight, only TWO teams are undefeated and they are in the same conf, Kansas City and the Broncos. The rest of the NFL have no room to talk. All I have read is Biased and inaccurate events, whinny fans who troll other teams sites trying to stir things up, get a life. The season is still young.
    And for all of those crying foul that the “REDSKINS” name is offensive, I find it HIGHLY offensive that people pushing the name change (our Government, are the very ones that took the”REDSKIN’S” land from them and gave them a reservation. From the President to Congress you’ve got more important issues on your plate than the name of a professional sports team.

  75. macjacmccoy says: Oct 14, 2013 9:39 PM

    rg3andthensome says:
    Oct 14, 2013 8:58 AM
    Agree….RG3 looked like his old self, but we need some OFFENSIVE LINE LBS to help out and get the ball down the field…No more piece meal.

    I didnt see many plays from RGIII last year but if he played like his old self last night then he had one of the most overrated seasons in NFL history. He wasnt following through on a good portion of his passes last night. Leading to balls being badly over and under thrown.

    Also even when he got the proper distance on his passes the accuracy was way off. I lost count of how many times the ball was behind or just past the finger tips of his receivers. The zip on his balls still isnt there.

    I dont know how anyone can say his ability to run this season is equal to his ability last year. He had no explosion through the line and was getting ran down but 300 linemen.

    So either the people who are saying he’s back to his old self havent been paying attention or they really oversold his abilities last season.

  76. rustyorange21httr says: Oct 14, 2013 9:59 PM

    Shanny has 2 SB’s to his credit as a head coach, and he is doing the best with what he has. We had our had $36 million handcuffs over two seasons, FA signings not bad considering. FA will be critical this offseason.
    Wish list:
    multiple Starting quality OL, Starting quality FS, Starting quality SS, a Starting quality CB, experienced return man, and new SP coach.
    Not asking for much.

  77. bigblackanvil says: Oct 14, 2013 10:32 PM

    Oversold his abilities? Here’s the thing about RG3. He CAN be an effective pocket passer but his bread and butter is his mobility. Get him out of the pocket. He thrives best when plays are improvised. When that happens defense freeze because they have to respect that ability. People swear up and down say RG3 will have a longer career if he stays in the pocket but I say play to your abilities. Besides. Ask Joe Thiesmann how safe is the pocket.

  78. thirdistheworrd says: Oct 14, 2013 10:50 PM

    shalakka says: Oct 14, 2013 4:53 PM

    turd is the word.?
    I have watched every snap for 7 years now.
    I was excited when they hired shanahan, but since the beginning he hasn’t done much.
    I understand they have a cap penalty of 36 mil over theses last two years.
    but we had a stellar D before he started, crap now.
    offense hasn’t been much since kyle has been in the picture. they were 3-6 last year before they got on a roll, so where is the momentum from last year. we might win next week but there is no way we will beat Denver.
    2-5=crap.
    and I am a die-hard redskins fan.
    _______________
    Really bro? Seems a little aggressive. I missed the Vikings game two years ago because I was on a plane, but other than that I’m right there with you, never-miss-a-snap, as die-hard, eternally optimistic, and constantly disappointed as any of us. What I meant about short memories was not an attack on you, just the idea that, because Griffin hasn’t recreated last year’s score-crazy offense in his first five games back, the Shanahans should be run out of town. I’m also not sure “hasn’t done much” means, considering how impressive the team’s performance was last season, and how stellar all of his drafts have been (four confirmed misses in 23 picks, and all of his four number one picks are Pro Bowlers).

    The pre-Shanahan defense was solid, but it was really, really old. With all due respect to Monte Kiffin’s showing last night, 3-4 is the way of the future. Without the right personnel, the defense fell off strongly in Haslett’s first year, but in 2011, the first year they were able to actually bring in the guys they needed for the scheme, the defense jumped from 31st to 13th. Then came the 36 mil penalty. And when you have a 36 mil handcuff, you get Reed Doughty and EJ Biggers in your starting lineup.

    I’m not arguing that this is a good team, this is a pretty darn bad team, I’m just saying that Griffin is still recovering and a terrible start to the season is no reason to throw the whole program overboard. Given that he was dealt a hand containing Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, the oldest defense in the league, and no QB, Shanahan asked for five years to develop a playoff-bound team. He got there in three. So no matter how this year goes, we owe him his five, especially considering the cap situation.

    Honestly what has me most optimistic about this team for the future is that Allen and Shanahan have put a structure in place without any contract restructuring or overconsumption of future cap space, so from here on out, they’ll have a full cap to play with every year. This year has not started well at all, but there a lot of promising young players on the roster, and even if the rest of the year is a disaster, there’s no reason to go into panic mode.

    Lastly, where is the momentum from last year? I dunno man, but I think Robert Griffin’s knee absorbed a lot of it diving for a bad snap last January.

  79. nflmadnness says: Oct 15, 2013 4:40 AM

    RG III run into ground. Short Career…..

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  80. claimersays says: Oct 15, 2013 1:53 PM

    Garbage call

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