In moving on from Manning, Irsay says he chose championships over stats

AP

If the Colts end up losing two games in six days, they can thank in part their owner.

For starters, Jim Irsay went public last week with the plans for welcoming Peyton Manning back to town with a “great tribute.”  It may have caused some of his players to lose focus on the more pressing challenge of beating the Chargers.  (Though the impact on the players is debatable, if he had said nothing before Monday’s game, the chances of Irsay creating a distraction would have been zero.)

Now, Irsay is giving Peyton a little grist for his ever-churning Manning-face mill.

In an interview with Jarret Bell of USA Today, Irsay eventually boils the departure of Peyton down to one fact: Irsay preferred to chase team achievements, not individual ones.

“We’ve changed our model a little bit, because we wanted more than one of these,” Irsay said, referring to his Super Bowl XLI ring.  “[Tom] Brady never had consistent numbers, but he has three of these.  Pittsburgh had two, the Giants had two, Baltimore had two and we had one. That leaves you frustrated.

“You make the playoffs 11 times, and you’re out in the first round seven out of 11 times. You love to have the Star Wars numbers from Peyton and Marvin [Harrison] and Reggie [Wayne]. Mostly, you love this.”

And again, Irsay pointed to the ring.

Though buried under less inflammatory (but possibly specious) notions like “Peyton told me to draft Andrew Luck” and “we couldn’t fit both players under the salary cap,” Peyton will see it.  And Peyton will view it as a slap in the face.  And Peyton won’t be happy about it.

Then again, Peyton seems to only be happy when he’s not happy about something.

And if/when Peyton hangs 50 on the Colts, he can grab the game ball, cram it into Irsay’s midsection, and tell him to stick this in his trophy case.

181 responses to “In moving on from Manning, Irsay says he chose championships over stats

  1. sooo you want to annoy manning with backhanded compliments right before your game, and at a game where you’re honoring him?

    huh…

  2. You’re kidding me, Irsay. Please tell me you’re not being serious. He’s the ONLY reason why you even have your super bowl ring, your stadium, and that many fans.

  3. One would hope Irsay had a strategy like this when he chose to let Manning go. BUT… Why verbalize it the week leading into a game against Manning?

  4. Because the Colts will definitely had a better chance to win a Super Bowl in the short term with an unproven young player rather than one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time and the unparalleled bounty of picks they could have gotten in return for Luck.

    Then again, with Irsay picking the players, maybe they’re better off without all those draft picks.

  5. How’s that worked out for you? I hope you’re kicking yourself in the butt every day, I’m not a colts or a broncos fan but I can’t wait to watch the broncos mop of the field with the colts this weekend!

  6. “You make the playoffs 11 times, and you’re out in the first round seven out of 11 times. You love to have the Star Wars numbers from Peyton and Marvin [Harrison] and Reggie [Wayne]. Mostly, you love this.”
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    Is this true? 7 of 11 times Manning has been out in the first playoff games? Then make that 8 of 12, since the Bronco’s lost their first playoff game last year. Bronco fans, you have one of the greatest regular season qb’s in the history of the game. Be careful what you wish for…..

  7. Irsay is correct, but to say it in front of a game against Peyton….priceless. Peyton will again do the regular season thing against him. The truth will set you free, but sometimes it will give you gas….. Need some gasex Irsay?

  8. One, you probably would have won more championships with Peyton had you invested in putting better talent around him and a serviceable defense. Instead, the guy was making other guys like Blair White look like all pros. He carried you to 10+ wins every year, almost single handedly. The year he was injured and you took away just Peyton Manning from that team – they won 2 games.

    Two, Andrew Luck is on the rookie wage scale and although he was the first pick – he’s not breaking the bank. You could have fit them both in the salary cap, had you wanted to.

  9. Ouch. Is Irsay trying to piss manning off? Hope the Colts are ready cause the broncos will be. Hope the Chargers pissed the Colts off enuff to make this a close game at least.

  10. Maybe if they had build a team around Manning he would have had more rings. Fact is Peyton kept that team competitive every year despite below average talent around him. The defenses were horrible and the OLines were amongest the worst in the league. Peyton, Marvin, and Reggie were the only true talents those teams had.

  11. Sometimes it isn’t smart to bark up the wrong tree. The last thing Irsay needed to do was add fuel to the fire of Peyton coming into the house that HE built. If Irsay thought that Peyton may be nice, and not go batsh@@ on them because of the nice honoring gesture, he must have not been thinking when he made these other remarks. A exciting game just got all the better.

  12. Yeah, that Tom Brady guy sure is inconsistent. Irsay, on the other hand, is consistently frenetic in every attempt to explain his decision making.

  13. I don’t like the Broncos, but I’ll sure but hoping Manning demolishes the Colts and sends Luck into a thought spiral of self doubt that he won’t recover from.

  14. Yeah, whatever…the man is only speaking the truth. All that egomaniac MegaHead wants is money and stats…that’s all he cares about.

    He didn’t get the nickname ‘one-and-done’ for nothing. The Colts will be motivated after last night’s debacle and will smash him into the turf.

  15. Irsay made the right choice for the long term well being of his franchise. And he got an absolute gem to fill Manning’s spot. Worked out for everybody. And let’s not pretend Peyton hasn’t made a career of falling short in the playoffs when it counts most. And the only time he did manage to get a ring he battled Rex frakin’ Grossman to get it. Little brother has twice as much hardware as Peyton and beat much tougher competition to get it. Fantasy stats and regular season victories don’t bring home the hardware.

  16. Wait a second, who was more responsible in the first place for that Super Bowl ring he was showing off — Peyton Manning or him?

  17. And guys, it’s kind of hard to “build around Peyton” when his cap # was always so damn high and NEVER took a penny less than market value in his contracts. Peyton did it to himself.

  18. The Colts playoff woes in the Manning era went well beyond the play of Peyton.

    -They were frequently undersized on both defense and the offensive line.
    -They lacked consistency in the run game after Edge left.
    -Poor drafting in the latter years left the cupboard more and more bare as players like Edge, Marvin, Clark, Saturday, Freeny and Brackett got old.

    Manning made his share of mistakes, but many of those teams were simply not built for playoff ball. I blame Polian. Manning was able to single handedly cover up a lot of personnel deficiencies that were exposed in the postseason.

    That being said, Manning thrown 21 post season INT’s, which has obviously hurt his team considerably. But it was never all Manning’s fault.

  19. While true…I wouldn’t rag on the guy who made you a ton of money and was a part of even getting you one title when most owners have none. Pretty classless. Colts really need Polian back to shut this guy up.

  20. I believe Lucas Oil is the house the Tax Payers of Marion County built. Irsay isn’t wrong, but it’s an opportunity to pile on him… Again. Most of you guys would be bashing Peyton’s Playoff record if you didnt have Irsay to crack on. Aside from a few clunker performances since drafting Luck, the Colts have been on the right trajectory.

  21. I see the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree….his father was a drunk idiot too. It must be genetic. Irsay’s poor choice of drivel…er, I mean words…will come back to bite him as this guy just doesn’t know when to shut up. Good thing his bank account is higher than his IQ.

  22. What a clown Irsay is. A real loyal & stand up guy. What he chose to do was to bring into question of the integrity of the league by losing games in order to be able to pick Luck. Why was the defense doing so poorly just because Peyton left? DE can’t rush the passer any more? 2 and 3 sacks for the whole year is an embarrassment. You are not trying with those stats. You are trying to lose games to get a franchise qb. I am not saying start a phoney lotto like the nba but fine them do something to them for this. Don’t reward this behavior.

  23. myschwartzisbiggerthenyours says: Oct 15, 2013 11:10 AM
    Peyton, Marvin, and Reggie were the only true talents those teams had.

    Totally agree. Jeff Saturday, Tarik Glenn, Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Bob Sanders, Edgerrin James were all bums.

  24. tjacks7 says: Oct 15, 2013 11:09 AM

    One, you probably would have won more championships with Peyton had you invested in putting better talent around him and a serviceable defense. Instead, the guy was making other guys like Blair White look like all pros. He carried you to 10+ wins every year, almost single handedly. The year he was injured and you took away just Peyton Manning from that team – they won 2 games.

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    This is revisionist history. Manning played 95% of his Colts career with 2 All Pro WRs (Wayne and Harrison) and an All Pro TE (Dallas Clark). And go back and look at the seasons some of his RB’s put up, Edge James had a few monster years.

    He never really had the defense though, I will give you that. However go look at the defense in the year they wont the superbowl. Peyton was very average that post season and the defense was very stout.

  25. Nothing like giving Manning extra motivation to kick your a$$ Sunday night! Not that he needed any.

  26. Dungy deserves as much if not more of the blame for only 1 ring. Handed a championship offense and the defensive guru couldnt build a decent 1 in all the years he was there. thats 2 teams he coached that should have won multiple rings and he has 1, barely.

  27. Like Father like son. This idiot acts like winning a Super Bowl is that easy…

    Injuries, hot streaks.. Ask Brady about 17-1.

    Like the Redskins, wait till his rookie contract runs out and you have to go max deal and still field a team.

    Right Ravens??

  28. So, Irsay finally admits what Patriots fans have said for years – Manning is a stats QB, great in the regular season, but can’t get it done in the post season. (down vote it all you want, you know its the truth!).

  29. Until Luck can beat the Chargers, you should just give it a rest Mr. Irsay. The Browns fans would like to thank you and Grigs, for overvaluing T. Rich. Another game he had under 50 yards, and has done absolutely nothing. Honestly, Brown looks better than Trent, sadly.

  30. Maybe if they have had some defensive while Manning was there they would have won a few more SB. The year the won the SB they had the worst ranked run defense.

  31. Did somebody say Manning had “below average talent” around him? Are you kidding me?

    Edgerin James, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne all pro-bowlers. On the line Jeff Saturday and Tarek Glenn were both multiple time pro bowlers. Dwight Freeney and Bob Sanders among others on Defense. Tony Dungy as coach.

    Peyton Manning had one of the most talented teams year in and year out and many of his first game playoff losses were at home, sometimes when they were top seed.

  32. fredsingleton says:
    Oct 15, 2013 11:04 AM
    You’re kidding me, Irsay. Please tell me you’re not being serious. He’s the ONLY reason why you even have your super bowl ring, your stadium, and that many fans.

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    Actually Manning wasn’t very good in the playoffs during the superbowl run. The team had to win a 6-3 game against a Chicago team featuring Rex Grossman to get to the superbowl. God forbid anyone say that manning sucks in the playoffs or that the Colts defense did well in the playoffs.

  33. Woah.

    You guys.

    What if like…

    Since Peyton is only good in the regular season…

    That Eli is only good in the post season…

  34. barneyrumble says:
    Oct 15, 2013 11:04 AM
    Mr. Irsay, you do NOT want to give the GOAT QB billboard material. DUH!
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    A little perspective can go a long way.

    It’s all about the rings, and Peyton has one, not 4.

  35. irsay is referencing what everybody knows: peyton manning chokes in the playoffs. what is his career playoff record, 9-12 or something like that ? look at last yr with denver. he blew it with OT pick in denv territory. balt gets 1 first down and kicks gw field goal. irsay is right. peyton manning’s colts teams got beat in 1st round many times.

    i would take brother eli any day. 2 SB appearances, 2 rings.

  36. The difference between Brady and Manning is that Brady had a coach who knew how to build a team around him. I can’t imagine Peyton wouldn’t have more superbowls with better talent around him.

  37. Why make this comment? Peyton was and IS great. At the time, he was coming off surgery, and his status was unknown. The Colts opted to bet on Luck, and it wasn’t a bad decision, but Peyton came back as good as ever.

    No need to trash the greatest player in the history of the franchise, and a top 5 ALL-TIME QB!

  38. Ive seen fans here make these same points a few thousand times.

    Its all about the “shame” of losing in the first round of the playoffs and how Manning is isn’t great in the post season.

    But when Irsay says the same thing, people have a problem?

  39. Without Manning, the multibillionaire doesn’t get a brand new stadium paid for by the taxpayers. Without Manning, Indy remains in the irrelevant in the backwaters and doesn’t get to host a Super Bowl.

  40. i know pft loves to hate on irsay all the time for whatever reason but… tell me this… is he wrong?

    the colts could have thrown a bunch of money at him, brought him back for a few more years, and surrounded him with the garbage they had when he went down and would have gotten nothing out of it but numbers. that team would never win a championship as polian constructed it. they had to blow the whole thing up.

  41. What Irsay fails to mention is Manning was the entire team. The Colts had no defense and OL. Come playoff time Manning could not carry them by himself. He was getting hit way to much. Hit Manning and like any QB it affects his throws.

    That being said Denver is a much better team than Manning ever had with Indy. He likely would have been int eh SB last year if not for the hail mary by Baltimore.

    Irsay is simply a nut and has no idea how to control his own mouth. He is living proof that just because one has money it does make them smart. Why piss of Peyton and give him incentive to come in and beat Indy.

    That being said it should be a great game. With Peyton and Denver’s lack of defense it could be very high scoring.

  42. So there you have it.

    Even Irsay would have prefered Brady over Manning.

    Peyton Manning: 2 HoF as Receivers through out his prime and an indoor stadium for umpteen million games.
    Manning 2 SB appearances with 1 W and a game losing, Favresqe pick 6.

    Brady, a bunch of nobodies most of the time and an outdoor stadium..

    Brady 5 SB appearance with 3 W’s

    Sorry Denver ( Indy) , he’s just not better than Brady….

  43. myschwartzisbiggerthenyours says:
    Oct 15, 2013 11:10 AM
    Maybe if they had build a team around Manning he would have had more rings. Fact is Peyton kept that team competitive every year despite below average talent around him. The defenses were horrible and the OLines were amongest the worst in the league. Peyton, Marvin, and Reggie were the only true talents those teams had.
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    You’re right. Edgerin James sucked. Dallas Clark sucked. Jeff Saturday sucked. Mathis and Freeney sucked. Bob Sanders sucked. Tarik Glenn sucked. Antoine Bethea sucked. Joseph Addai sucked. Tony Dungy sucked. All pro bowlers and a coach of the year. Irsay hit it on the head. Manning can’t win the games that count the most save for one time in a dozen years. Playoff underachiever at it’s finest. GOAT? Please. Stats are for losers. Championships are what defines greatness.

  44. I agree with the decision to release Manning and draft Luck. You’re talking about maybe 2-3 more years of Peyton Manning, or the next 10+ of Andrew Luck. Plus the Colts had gotten old and needed to rebuild. No shame in that.

    But to say this and give the Sheriff more ammo? Stupid comes as stupid goes. Com’on man!!

  45. and, btw, the reason they had such garbage around him? because they were using half their cap money on peyton. that’s what happens. look at the patriots… brady even took less money and it is still just him and a bunch of guys.

    once qbs get that huge third contract teams can’t afford anything more than a couple of pieces around them.

  46. Peyton is the greatest regular season QB of all time. but when it comes to the playoffs, he has always struggled. I also think that had the 14-2 Chargers not lost to the Pats in 2006 on Marlon MCcree’s late interception/fumble, the Colts who had always had a tough time against the bolts and still do would have never made it to the SB.
    think about that now. Manning 11 seasons in the playoffs and 0 rings. what Irsay is saying is very true but he shouldn’t have said it before a “regular” season game. especially with the way Peyton has played this year. not a good idea.

  47. When you have a $100 million QB under center, you have to cut corners in other areas of the roster. I think it’s just as likely that he was referring to that fact rather than implying that Peyton doesn’t have the capacity to win more rings.

  48. If you read the article that this one refers to, it seems as though the change in model was about having a well rounded team and not relying just on the QB. The reason they couldn’t achieve that with Manning was because of his high salary. I don’t think Irsay was dissing Manning’s ability to win in the playoffs.

  49. The truth is the truth, but kind of a classless shot at a guy, on his night with the fans, that put the franchise on the map and helped get the new stadium built. I guess tanking seasons for Championships is ok.

  50. Frustrating to have one recent super bowl win? As a Lion’s fan it is frustrating to have one playoff win…since the first super bowl.

  51. Wow I don’t want to get on the whole drunk bandwagon but why would someone say something like this? I highly doubt many Colts fans feel the same way as his former boss does.

    There is no way to take that other than taking a shot at his career with you and saying for all the good you did you only produced for the Colts once. You can have your ceremony honoring the guy but Irsay lack of class makes it all for show.

  52. Only a matter of time until Irsay admits to a drinking problem. How else can he explain his constant barrage of senseless tweets or comments?

  53. Piss off Manning blah blah blah, Peyton is consistently great, stop with the “adding fuel to the fire” nonsense. Peyton is going to Peyton whether he’s in Indi or Denver or New England. The headline makes the statement sounds worse than it was. He worded it as diplomatically as possible & told absolute truth. We get on these guys for being fake when they give rehearsed statements, here’s a owner shooting straight & he still catches grief.

  54. What a dysfunctional franchise. They had arguably the best QB in the game for years on end and they pissed his career away. Playing in that crappy division brought them Division titles but one Super Bowl? The ineptitude continues with Grigson giving up a first round pick for a guy with the talent of an undrafted free agent. I can’t help but laugh at this city and franchise. Poor Luck, hopefully he sees the light and gets out when he can.

  55. Just goes to show that “honoring” Peyton is just a dog and pony show. I hope Peyton “honors” the Colts with 6 TD’s passes in the game.

  56. Why take a shot at the man who is as responsible as anybody for the Colts being an elite franchise with a fancy modern stadium?

    The fact of the matter is the Colts were also-rans from the moment they left Baltimore until the day Peyton Manning arrived (fine, I’ll give ya they had that exciting year as “the cardiac kids” with QB Jim Harbaugh)….

    Even if Irsay’s words are a true indication of his thought process, you can either not say it, say it privately, or not say it at all. Irsay went with the most classless possible choice.

  57. fredsingleton, Peyton ended his 2006 run with the 2nd lowest rating(70.4) All-Time for a Super Bowl winning QB, he is the ONLY SB winning QB to end the playoffs with MORE THAN TWICE as many INTs(7) than TDs(3). He’s the ONLY SB winning QB since the merger to win a playoff game without scoring an offensive TD. All FGs in the Ravens game. Vinateri lead the team in scoring throughout their 2006 run. He is the ONLY Super Bowl winning kicker to have double digit points in 4 consecutive games.So please tell us gain how it is because of Peyton they won ONE Super Bowl. LOL. Try it was their defense and kicking game.

  58. Ouch. Surprised he would say this, but it is the truth. Manning is 9-11 in the playoffs with 7 one and dones. That’s brutal.

    Brady is 17-7, most wins all time and although he is 3-2 in Super Bowls now, he didn’t throw the game losing pick 6 like Manning did in his 1 SB loss.

  59. The reason Peyton Manning only has one Super Bowl win? Rex Grossman. Because if it wasn’t for Rex Grossman, Peyton Manning would have zero Super Bowl wins….

  60. Hope Manning obliterates the Colts just to see Irsay cry on Twitter in a drunken tirade afterwards.

  61. Irsay is just saying what every fan that’s not a Peyton ball washer thinks. Peyton has always been all about stats and less about the big moment or big play come playoff time. 8 One and Dones, a 9-11 playoff record. In his 11 playoff losses he’s scored more than 18 points just TWICE. He’s had single digit point totals starting the 4th quarter 5 times. According to history you have less than a 10% chance of winning with those scoring totals. But it’s his defense that played bad. LOL. So how many shootouts has he lost in the playoffs with those All Star casts? Peyton fans a just ESPN sheep.

  62. In 8 of Manning’s 14 years in Indianapolis…. the Colts Defense ranked 20th OR WORSE.

    Is that Manning’s fault?!?

    Without Peyton Manning… the team doesn’t even make the playoffs.

  63. broncostevenp says:
    Oct 15, 2013 11:28 AM
    Sometimes it’s better just to shut your mouth and play the game.

    How can a billionaire be so stupid?
    _________________________________

    Inheritance.

  64. Are people really saying Peyton didn’t have good teams? He’s always had multiple pro bowlers on offense and he’s had some top defense. 05 was top notch, 07 gave up the least amount of pts in the league, 08 ffs gave up 6 passing touchdowns!

  65. Wow. Talk about a delusional blowhard. Way to disrespect one of your all-time great players and the guy most responsible for that new stadium you are getting drunk in every night.

    Why say things like this? I hope you enjoy getting slammed back in your face every time your team falters in the post-season.

  66. Anybody with a brain knows this was a shot at POLIAN not Manning. But MF never let’s facts get in the way of personal shots.

  67. Peyton wasn’t the problem. The rest of the team was too inconsistent. The new GM is making smarter moves than Polian. Pagano is looking like he’s going to be a great coach. Peyton with Pagano and Grigson would have landed them a few championships.

  68. He says he wants a team more like Brady………he does realize for the most part when Tom Brady won some of those Super Bowls he had a really good defense to back him up? Stuff happens, it’s football. You whine because you “only won one Super Bowl”, lol you better hope luck can win one in the next 5 years because if he doesn’t the fans are NEVER going to forget (oh and pray that Denver doesn’t win as well)

  69. I’ll bet the Colts wish they didn’t make that trade to get Richardson. Huge Alabama supporter, but he has no breakaway speed anymore. He is just an average running back.

  70. I still would’ve like to see how many playoff games the Colts could’ve won had Polian not made the starters sit out those years when they had the division and the No. 1 seed wrapped up by the beginning of December. You just can sit 4-5 weeks and be sharp in the playoffs.

  71. Tom Brady’s playoff record: 17-7
    Joe Montana’s playoff record : 16-7

    Peyton Manning’s playoff record:…….. 9-11

    Peyton manning is a serial big game choke artist. Going back to his college days.

    Andrew Luck plays big in big games.

    Irsay made a wise decision.

  72. chrisk61 says:
    Oct 15, 2013 11:32 AM

    i would take brother eli any day. 2 SB appearances, 2 rings.
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    Eli any day, eh? How about this weekend?
    How about the last six weeks?

  73. Last year the Colts lost in the first round in the playoffs, so it looks like Andrew Luck is picking up right where Peyton left off, minus the “Star Wars numbers” of course.

  74. The talk about Indy having no talent around Peyton is laughable. Polian deliberately surrounded him with playmakers on offense and a decent line, which meant less cap money for defensive players. They still had a stout pass rush and tried to fill in the rest as best they could, but the Colts were an offensive team and gave Peyton plenty of weapons to work with. Maybe a more equal cap distribution between offense and defense would have led to more postseason success, but it also would’ve meant Peyton’s regular season numbers wouldn’t have been quite the same.

  75. Oh for Pete’s sake, really? For crying out loud, there’s not a team in the NFL that wouldn’t have done what the Colts did.

    The Colts chose to guarantee themselves a franchise QB for the next 15 years (maybe more). If Peyton Manning has five stellar years with the Broncos, Andew Luck will be finishing his 5th season as a QB when Manning is finishing his 19th. Most draft experts believe Luck was the best QB prospect to come along since John Elway. You don’t pass on a franchise QB when you have a chance to take one and guarantee security at that position for the next decade and a half.

    For sure, Manning’s lack of success in the playoffs may have played a role in this, but this decision was no different than what San Francisco did with Joe Montana near the end of his career. It was the right move.

  76. @wiley, there is no way he wasn’t trying to insult Manning by saying the contract is why he dumped him, that statement is bogus because the contract for Luck is gonna be huge. After Irsay tanked the season to get Luck you know he is gonna pay through the nose to keep him.

  77. eagleswin says: Oct 15, 2013 11:31 AM

    fredsingleton says:
    Oct 15, 2013 11:04 AM
    You’re kidding me, Irsay. Please tell me you’re not being serious. He’s the ONLY reason why you even have your super bowl ring, your stadium, and that many fans.

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    Actually Manning wasn’t very good in the playoffs during the superbowl run. The team had to win a 6-3 game against a Chicago team featuring Rex Grossman to get to the superbowl. God forbid anyone say that manning sucks in the playoffs or that the Colts defense did well in the playoffs.
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    Um……Mr. Singleton, the Colts beat Chicago IN THE SUPERBOWL………….

  78. Irsay might be correct about salary cap and building for the long term but what benefit does he get out of opening his big yap on the subject? Did someone tell him Denver needed some locker room motivational posters?

  79. Irsay’s nose is already bulbous…just a matter of time before it gets that nice shade of red to it.

  80. Irsay must be tone deaf to want to give these quotes this week, but he’s right. They have a better chance of building a balanced and deeper team with Luck, especially while he’s in his rookie deal and maybe the first half of his next contract.

    The Colts w/Manning were stuck with huge cap numbers at QB the entire time even with his initial rookie deal as #1 overall. Plus despite making more in outside endorsements than most players make their entire NFL careers, Manning definitely liked playing hardball in contract negotiations and going for the richest QB deals ever. His prerogative since he always had the stats to back it up, but it wasn’t helping them spread the wealth and keep their depth.

    Not to mention, Peyton was (still is) a control freak who wanted his toys on offense, and the Colts went much further than most teams in investing draft picks and money on Peyton’s side of the ball to keep him happy.

  81. Gee without Manning the Colts don’t have a championship, a new stadium, and Andrew Luck. Had Manning not sat out 2011 they would’ve never gotten Luck. Also they wouldn’t have played host to Super Bowl 46 either as well.

  82. How many championships post Manning has he won??? How many with Manning….?

    Irsay just loves to hear the sound of his own voice…. but as the captain in Top Gun would say…. “Son, your mouth is writing checks your body can’t cash”

  83. kosarkid says:
    Oct 15, 2013 12:26 PM
    Last year the Colts lost in the first round in the playoffs, so it looks like Andrew Luck is picking up right where Peyton left off, minus the “Star Wars numbers” of course.

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    Luck took arguably the worst roster in football and made them a playoff team; they shouldn’t have even been there after going 2-14 the year before. As for Irsay; don’t poke the bear Jim, Manning is gonna go nuts as it is, he doesn’t need anymore fuel added to his fire. The Cowboys proved the only way to beat the Broncos is to pass 50 times a game and score almost every drive; The Colts are stubborn thinking they have a ‘power’ running game and continue to milk the smashmouth gameplan. They easily could’ve beat San Diego if Hamilton dialed up more passes because when Luck went deeper than 15 yards they continually converted, the problem is they rarely got out the mode of running and passing short to intermediate routes. Pep Hamilton needs to understand that they aren’t gonna be able to run the ball more than 12 times against Denver and Luck will need to pass the ball at least 40 times to have a shot.

  84. Irsay is an idiot. He needs to stop his infatuation with being just like Jerrah Jones, and let the people he hired to do the talking, do the talking.

    For Irsay to lay down a “compliment” to Manning like that, he must not realize that without Manning and Company, the Colts would have resided in the cellar for all the years he did not have those guys around.

    “He only got me one Lombardi, he is garbage”. LOL.. That sounds pretty stupid to anyone who can read between the lines. Lots of great QBs never pulled off the run and got a ring. Think about that, Jim.

  85. A. It’s just not that easy to win a Superbowl. One in a decade is pretty good, especially in a period of major competition within the AFC from the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Chargers etc. To make it to the Super Bowl in those years you had to win 1 or 2 death matches against a good team.

    B. Until Peyton won in 2006, I didn’t believe he had the right mentality to win the biggest games. Like in the game against the Steelers in 2005, he tried to throw the ball to get the victory. In that game he left a FG that was too long (46 yds) and lost. If it had If you look at how he played after that, you can see that he became more of a team guy. He still could have won a few just on pure talent pre-2006, but it just didn’t turn out that way.

    C. The Indy defense was never good enough for most of the years that Manning was there. That was Irsay’s fault.

    D. Indy did a lot of winning. It wasn’t just stats alone.

    The way Irsay talks it was like he chose not to have Peyton any more. Give me a break. The team tanked exactly at the right time to get Andrew Luck, who is a once in a generation draft pick, that may still never amount to even half of what Manning is. He’s a spoiled brat making comments like that.

  86. When Manning was interviewed by the Colts prior to being drafted he told Irsay, “If your team doesn’t draft me, I’m going to spend the next 15 years kicking your asses”. What do you think he’s going to do after being let go and then trash talked by the team he lead for so long?

  87. I understand that Irsay is a drunken, loudmouth, attention whoring, useless, silver spoon hack, but this is even low rent for him. Since my team needs about 24 plane crashes to win a Super Bowl this season, I hope Denver sticks these quotes right up his ass and wins the whole thing.

  88. This clown has 100% ownership of a franchise his father built and no work history of any kind yet still manages to act like he’s the architect of a super bowl winning team.

    At least Jerry Jones and Daniel Synder, the other egomaniacs in the NFL, were actual businessmen and accomplished something on their own.

  89. some of the posters might be right about Luck being better for the future but why won’t someone answer my question. What does Irsay (who inherited the team from his Dad) get by opening his trap to make this type of comment?

    An important lesson for the “not too smart crowd.” If you are a member there are times to say nothing at all so everyone else does not know about your status..

  90. No QB wins a title without a good D. Irsay is a freakin idiot. Denver won’t win a SB with that awful D they have either, but that’s not Peyton’s fault. When you score 35 in a playoff game at home and lose… that’s all on your D.

  91. Read the actual article in USA Today before spouting off on here. This was more a shot at Polian than Peyton. If you read the entire article and not just the out of context excerpts here, you might feel differently. Polian built around Manning on offense, and left little $$ for the D. Thus, regular season greatness and post season losses. And the high flying Manning offenses were grounded by…wait for it…GREAT DEFENSES (NE, Pittsburgh, Saints at the time). Why? Lack of a top tier defense and running game. Stop playing the hindsight game. And calling this organization a joke? GTFO. Colts have missed the playoffs twice since 1999! Not even New England can claim that.

  92. Hope Manning destroys them in the house that he built.

    Yeah Peyton has a lot of one and one in the playoffs. It only shows how much he did to elevate mediocre teams. If the Denver DBs knock it down, Peyton wins and Flacco is just another guy. Peyton elevates his team.

    When Peyton might not play again, Irsay made a great decision. With Luck coming out, the Colts intentionally tanked the entire season. They played horrible QBs and made absolutely no effort to upgrade. Frankly, what they did was smart but also unconscionable.

    As a Titans fan, it really sucks to have to suffer against Peyton for all of those years, and then to have to play against Luck for another decade and a half – all because the Colts got very lucky twice – and had the perfect storm in which to tank their season.

    I hope they get destroyed by Peyton, and that their auto-tanking someday results in some kind of lottery system. It just sucks that they got away with it, and nobody every talks about it.

  93. Eli any day, eh? How about this weekend?
    How about the last six weeks?

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    Yeah because 6 weeks wipes out an entire body of work, one with far more impressive playoff success (including two title wins against the Patriots) than that of the older brother. I’d say the Giants are happy with their investment, depsite one bad season.

    Peyton fans, don’t hold your breath waiting for that next title. We’ve seen all this before.

  94. it never ceases to amaze me at the lengths you will go to get at somebody you do not like. the colts loss had nothing to do with Irsay saying they were going honor manning. you actually think the players did not know before this game they were going to do that? they came out flat and did not make the plays they normally do. they still could have won the game if the receivers hang on to the ball as they usually do. but in your world it’s Irsay’s fault? there is a reason you are a internet hack and do not work for NFL team.

  95. In the infamous words of former Texas governor Ann Richards, “Jim Irsay was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple”.

    Peyton built that house.
    Peyton made Tony Dungy a good coach.
    Peyton made the team competitive every year.
    Peyton is the reason for the new stadium.

    Somebody said Peyton once lost because he left a 46 yd FG for his idiot kicker. When Vinateri makes a long winning FG, it’s because of “cool” Tom Brady. When Vanderjact missed one, it’s Peytons fault.

    Peyton is like Tiger Woods. So good so early that our expectations are crazy high.

    Peyton hit the triple. Irsay cashed the check. Looks like this time, Irsay’s mouth has written a check his team cannot cash….hope they get steamrolled on Sunday.

  96. it is all Irsays fault for not resigning manning. after all he paid him 28 million not to play the year they won 2 games so naturally he should have paid him 20 million last year not knowing whether he was healthy or not. manning had no say he coming back right? he could not have possibly said I will take a pay cut to help improve the team could he? and it had nothing to do with money right? that is why he signed with the broncos for the same amount he would have made in Indy had he stayed with a team that would have sucked because they could not have afforded to pay anybody else because of his contract. he left because he wanted the money and a chance at another ring. he got his money and broncos fans got what colts fans did for years regular season wins and a early playoff exit.

  97. Thanks for making this Baltimore fan’s day with this thread. Especially the comments of how Jimmy is starting to look like the ol’ man.

    I think we are forgetting about a little angst Irsay might have against the Denver GM for not signing with Baltimore back in 1983 and threatening to sign with the Yankees.

    And for you Flacco haters, Joe Cool’s playoff record is 9-4, just as many playoff wins as Peyton in 9 less seasons.

  98. Yet after all this you won t see Peyton run out and get an interview with Greta Van Sustern to tell all the world he ‘ d been wronged. I hope the Broncos take it all

  99. Peyton is the greatest regular season QB of all time. but when it comes to the playoffs, he has always struggled. I also think that had the 14-2 Chargers not lost to the Pats in 2006 on Marlon MCcree’s late interception/fumble, the Colts who had always had a tough time against the bolts and still do would have never made it to the SB.
    think about that now. Manning 11 seasons in the playoffs and 0 rings. what Irsay is saying is very true but he shouldn’t have said it before a “regular” season game. especially with the way Peyton has played this year. not a good idea.
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    Do not forget Irsay paid the refs at halftime to give the game to the colts. . The Chargers were 10x a better team than the colts that year and the Pats beat them. It showed during the 1st half of the AFCS game, then all of a sudden all those bogus PI calls were being called on the Pats CBs

  100. To be honest, Irsay actually makes a good point. Peyton has had his share of first game exits and last year was no different. However, his reg season numbers are the ones that are going to humble the Colts this Sunday. Was it smart to possibly inspire Peyton and add more pressure to Luck? Probably not. To be truthful if peyton ever gets ona team witha consistent running game, that to me will be the difference. What that, he will be unstoppable. If it ever happens.

  101. 1) stats don’t mean nothin’

    2) pm is below .500 in the playoffs

    3) if denver doesn’t win either this year or next – the window closes.

    4) pm is one big hit away from a wheelchair – that’s why the colts let him go. Luck is the future.

    5) peyton got 28 mil in 2011 for doing nothing.

    6) peyton makes the worst commercials ever

    I like the guy but i wish he would just go away.

  102. I have been reading PFT for 3 years, this is my first comment.

    What made me comment? – Moronic thing that Jim Irsay had to say about Manning.

    Show some class for Manning has generated millions of dollars for you every year. Full stadium, jersey sales, Primetime TV games. This franchise has been relevant for years and you need to be thankful that you have ONE ring. Look around for franchises that are struggling from decades to win ONE.

    If you did not like stats and star wars numbers, you should have traded Peyton for 10 first round picks when you had the opportunity and tried to chase more of those rings. Why did you not? It is classless to say this, after both parties have moved on.

    This hypcorite just made Peyton’s tribute next week a JOKE!!!

    Winning a ring is not easy. Big Ben, Eli, Brady had great defenses. Peyton never had that luxury.

    I wish this guy had drafted Ryan Leaf instead. I wish this moron never got an opportunity to draft Andrew Luck and be relevant again for another 15 years.

  103. Flacco had a great playoff run last year – and really most years – but I don’t think he is even a top 10 QB.

    We know that he got really lucky in Denver last year on a Hail Mary. And that Peyton got really unlucky that his defense gave up a length of field TD with almost no time left.

    I know that Flacco’s first playoff victory was also lucky. He threw into double-coverage…the two Titans defenders collided fighting for the intercept and the pass was completed near the goal line. Huge rookie mistake…got away with it.

    Later on 3 and really long in the waning moments…Joe took a full second after time was expired…wasn’t called and he completed a key third down. If they call it correctly…rookie mistake, ball goes to Titans on a short field, FG eliminates Ravens. Should have been a rookie mistake discussion that day. Lucky Lucky Joe.

    He did play great last year in playoffs but is not a top tier QB by any stretch.

    QBs I would choose over Flacco.

    Romo
    Peyton
    Eli
    Wilson
    Brees
    Brady
    Rodgers
    Kap
    Luck

    Maybe
    Griffin
    Big Ben. Before this year for sure.

    I have Flacco in Stafford-land. Along with Cutler and Dalton. And Rivers. And Cam Newton.

    So yeah, Flacco is an okay QB, likely but certainly even in the top 16.

    He might be the smartest, though, holding out for a bigger contract, then having a fortunate and skillful SB run.

  104. Peyton gave them a better chance of multiple championships than Luck does. It’s no coincidence that the moment Manning went down, the team fell to being the worst in the league. Peyton Manning was the team. Maybe if Irsay had tried getting a better set of players around him, especially on defense, they could have had multiple championships.

    The Pats won not just with Brady, but with strong defense and a healthy dose of cheating. The Giants won with defense, beating Brady in a year he was lighting things up. The Greatest Show on Turf won a Super Bowl with defense. The Bucs and Ravens, defense with “meh” QBs (I mean the 2000 win for the Ravens, Flacco’s pretty solid, but it still came down to defense). Saints won with defense. But did they ever put a defense on the field with Manning? Most of the time, no. It’s how teams like the Jaguars would beat them, just keep running over that defense and chew up the clock, because the defense was a freaking joke. And I can’t think of a receiver other than Wayne after Harrison left.

  105. I wonder how long ago this interview was done, only for USA Today to drop it this week…..hmm. Most Colts fans are pretty happy with the decision. Yeah it sucked to lose Manning, but Luck will be in his prime 5 years from now and Manning will be retired. Not to mention had Manning stayed, the Colts would have no money to pay for the talent around him, especially on defense. There are “Manning fans” in Indy that are still mad and probably always will be, but most of us have moved on. Some of us realize that Manning and no defense wasn’t getting it done. Look at New England. Brady went down and they still won 11 games with MATT CASSELL. Manning went down and the Colts imploded. They didn’t tank, Manning carried a mediocre team for years and without him it was game over.

  106. “And for you Flacco haters, Joe Cool’s playoff record is 9-4, just as many playoff wins as Peyton in 9 less seasons.”

    Not a “Flacco hater,” but I feel it’s worth pointing out that he’s also got just one Super Bowl ring, too, so far. And has had a far superior defense to play with, which helped keep Kaepernick from bringing the 49ers back.

    The Ravens are also just 3-3 this year so far, so unless things turn around, Flacco might still be 9-4 at the end of the season.

  107. This is definitely a shot at Polian and the way he likes to build teams. You don’t have to fire your GM to draft a new QB , let your other QB go and hire a new HC. The first thing Irsay did was dump Polian. He didn’t even fire Calldwell first, he let Grigson decide that. That action alone tells me exactly who he felt was responsible for things more than any implications we think he’s making now.

  108. When asked about it during his post-victory presser, Peyton should just smile ruefully and say “Well, I could be all butt hurt by what Jim said, but I understand his frustration; hell, I shared it. In fact, when I finally do hang up my cleats, maybe Jim and I can reminisce over some more of that vino that brought on his moment of veritas. We’ll invite Elway and Marino, so that Jim can enlighten us about our supposed character flaws. I’m always eager to hear the truth that comes from the bottom of the bottle.”

  109. You know instead of worrying about tweets maybe you should have focused more on the draft picks you had during Peyton’s time here. 2006 Joseph Addai when MJD was still there. 2007 Anthony Gonzalez when Paul Posluszny and Sidney Rice were still there. 2008 Mike Pollak while Jamaal Charles was still there. 2009 Donald Brown while Hakeem Nicks and James Laurinaitis were still there. So maybe just maybe if you focused more on draft picks then tweeter you would have won more then just one ring. Not saying just saying.

  110. You have to put a good/great team around even the greatest of QB’s to win a SB. The Broncos and Elway get that… The Colts thought they could invest in a few players and still get there… I agree with other posters in that The Colts wouldn’t even have that SB ring if it wasn’t for Peyton. Enjoy watching the Broncos win another one Mr. Irsay.

  111. Don’t be surprised if the only Championship you get is the one Peyton gave you. Also don’t be surprised when he whips that @$$ here very soon.

  112. Irsay may be dumb for saying this but he’s right. Saying the Manning didn’t have talent around him is BS. He had Freeney, Mathis, and the DPOY Sanders on defense. Manning simply pooped the bed more often than not in the playoffs. Even in his SB year he played an average at best Bears team.

  113. Irsay seriously needs to employ an assistant whose sole existence and title is “Filter for Tard”.
    There were so many questions around if Peyton could ever play again, if he came back- at what percent of his old form, etc. In Lieu of this, It was the right decision at the time (although I still think the Colts could have drafted Luck and maybe got something in return prior to the next season). Having said this, you simply can’t say this publicly, period. I can’t believe he thinks this. That is assuming a lot of unknowns. Luck is a very good QB already but so many things have to fall into place to win a Super Bowl. I agree with a lot that have posted supporting cast has a lot to do with the amount of rings. One things that is not being said is if Luck continues to develop and is considered “Elite” when time to negotiate his next contract- Will he demand the max as Peyton did? If the argument was Peyton tied up the Colts ability to put a great team around him, then Luck will do the same. It’s just poor form for Irsay to say this when the fact is Peyton made the Colts relevant every year, for ten years. The fact that the Patriots had/have a top 5 QB and simply manage their team better has A LOT more to do with the lack of rings than anything else. They still had to go through them to win that SB. I’m not sold (and it is early) on the fact that Luck will be the same caliber of QB Peyton was/is. Time will tell but the point here is you don’t publicly say this. I predict he is pointing to that one ring in another ten years saying some new gibberish about some “Get ready for the Trade of the century folks”. Needs a Muzzle and to be Twitter Shock collar upon log in. SMH

  114. It doesn’t matter what your defense is ranked once you get the the playoffs. It’s about how your defense plays. In Peyton’s 11 playoff losses he’s scored more than 18 points just TWICE. He’s had single digit point totals starting the 4th quarter 5 times. His 3rd down conversion rate in most of those 11 losses was horrible. It doesn’t matter how good your defense is you’re gonna have a hard time winning with those numbers on offense. Peyton has lost just ONE game when his team scored more than their regular season average. His defense wasn’t the problem come playoff time it was the pathetic offense. BTW, the Colts defense averaged allowed 21 ppg during Peyton’s tenure. Brady’s defense has average 21 ppg. A whopping 1 point difference.

  115. Also, tired of the Brady/Manning comparisons…
    Take one SB away (not remotely a Raiders Fan) as the BS Tuck rule, which to anyone watching that game real time, knew it was a fumble…and then there were 2. A rule that has since been removed for the obvious. I’m not taking anything away from Brady because he is “wicked” good, but a lot of things have to go your way to win or get to the SB. As for the talent either has had- the last Patriots SB team was loaded. IF the Patriots can win this year, with this team; hands down Brady is the best of this era for sure. If Peyton wins with a more loaded team, then the conversation gets very interesting. I’ve enjoyed watching both of them and felt lucky to have watched two of the best in their prime at the same time….Peyton, in my opinion, simply elevated the way the QB position was played with all the audibles, defenses guessing what was real or not, making DL tired from getting in their stance…it’s been fun to watch.

  116. Bob Sanders was injured more than he was active. Great Player but his body could never withstand his style of play.

  117. infectorman says:
    Oct 15, 2013 11:37 AM
    So there you have it.

    Even Irsay would have prefered Brady over Manning.

    Peyton Manning: 2 HoF as Receivers through out his prime and an indoor stadium for umpteen million games.
    Manning 2 SB appearances with 1 W and a game losing, Favresqe pick 6.

    Brady, a bunch of nobodies most of the time and an outdoor stadium..

    Brady 5 SB appearance with 3 W’s

    Sorry Denver ( Indy) , he’s just not better than Brady….

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    Brady also had several cameras pointed at the opposing teams defenses… forgot that little statistic.

  118. You can’t compare Manning to Brady. Brady won all 3 SB rings during their cheating years. If Goodell wasn’t in Kraft’s pocket, those 3 SBs would have benn declared null and void or, at the very least, had an asterisk by each one, and, no doubt, the Jets game they got caught in, would have been a DQ. Look at Brady now; barely winning games, and the only TD he’s had recently required a stranglehold from behind a Saints defender, that the referees ignored. In fairness, the refs ignored every violation by the Pats Sunday, so they were consistent. I’m surprised those refs weren’t fired by the NFL, after that debacle. Oh wait, I forgot the Goodell/ Kraft factor. Manning is in his own league, and the closest comparisons would have to be Brees, and Rodgers; not Brady.

  119. IRSAY IS A VERY SMART MAN. GOT RID OF THE 5-10 YD DUNK PASSER. WHAT A LOSER. 1 RING IN ALL THOSE CHANCES. EVEN WAS A BUST IN THAT SUPER BOWL WIN.THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN SPORTS HISTORY.INDY SHOULD THANK ISRAY,HE FINALLY SMELLED THE COFFEE.

  120. jimmy, take some responsibility. You sold your soul to the DEVIL himself , Bill Polian. He trashed your team in every sense. You had good, loyal staff that was with you and your family for years and I watched Polian one by one picked them off.
    Peyton will prove he can win super bowls with the right team around him. He is still awesome, no matter what some of these knuckle heads say. After 2006, your draft picks went south. Bill made it quite clear HE was ‘the boss’! He wanted YOUR team to be his Team 100%, from coaches, scouts to stinking janitors.
    Peyton did not win Super Bowls because of team decisions, what I mean team is naPolian.
    Seriously , where we’re you when Polian was terrorizing your team? Where we’re you when he was terrorizing your staff? You, Tony, Pete, Dan, ect looked the other way. Why? Because of Peyton. He was the one to get you to the Super Bowl , with out Peyton you would not be able to say what you have said. You owe that man an apology. He got you where you are today. Without Peyton no new stadium, that cost you next to nothing. NEVER EVER would have happened.
    Look what happened when you did not have Peyton, back to first pick in the draft. I have my suspicions on that season, but it has Polian prints all over it. (He has been know too cheat here and there)
    Jimmy, get yourself cleaned up, you look awful. Rehire a babysitting team, rehab whatever you need. If you can’t do that then give the team over to the girls. People of Indianapolis deserve a clean owner.

  121. Funny thing is all Peyton fans are hypocrites. If your teams QB just put up stats and came up short every year in the playoffs and mostly in the FIRST playoff game you would be calling for his replacement. But because Peyton is loved, promoted and excused by the media his playoff failures are overlooked. Cowboy fans, Eagle fans, Charger fans, etc.. especially know what I’m talking about. Remember Peyton’s pick six in the 2009 Super Bowl? Reggie ran a lazy route. LOL. How many QBs get that BS when they choke? Peyton gets two chances last year just to put them in FG range and he seals it for the Ravens and the excuse is ” it should have never came to that”. Yet Brady gets ridiculed for just getting them into FG range to win games. The hypocrisy is hilarious.

  122. @wiley, there is no way he wasn’t trying to insult Manning by saying the contract is why he dumped him, that statement is bogus because the contract for Luck is gonna be huge. After Irsay tanked the season to get Luck you know he is gonna pay through the nose to keep him.
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    Key words are “going to be”. In 3 or 4 years. Nobody knows what he will be willing to pay down the road. The fact is, they got a younger QB that is making a lot less money for the next few years. They can use that money on defense, something they didn’t do during the Manning years. If they would have kept Manning, they wouldn’t have the money to spend on the players they did this off season.

  123. Without Manning who knows where the Colts are today, he built Lucas Oil field. The only thing the Colts were known for up until they drafted Manning was captain comeback, who was one and done in Indy, and Jeff George. That franchise was a joke in the NFL, not only did they benefit from sucking to get Manning, they struck gold with his neck injury + Andrew Luck coming out. Its the equivalent to the Spurs ’97 season that resulted in them getting Duncan and they’ve been a staple of the NBA for almost the last 30 years..I’d love to see where Indy ends up after Luck retires.

  124. Just curious, Did Irsay lie? 7 one and done’s with hall of fame receivers and a great defense

    Peyton will go down as the greatest regular season QB
    AND
    The biggest playoff choker in the history of the game making Dan Marino look “playoff clutch”

    Its hard to argue against the cold hard stats

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