Josh Freeman: Bucs didn’t see me as the guy, I strongly disagree

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For all the disagreements Josh Freeman and Greg Schiano had in Tampa, the one that really mattered was the most fundamental of all: Freeman believed he was the franchise quarterback, and Schiano did not.

Freeman, now the Vikings’ starting quarterback, said on the Dan Patrick Show that what it all came down to is that Schiano didn’t believe in him.

“They didn’t see me as the guy,” Freeman said. “They didn’t see me as the guy who could get it done and I strongly disagree with that. But at the same time, it’s not really my decision to make. It’s just been an awesome deal, being blessed, having the opportunity to come play with an organization like Minnesota.”

Freeman said Schiano called him after the Buccaneers drafted Glennon and assured him that the Bucs saw Glennon only as a developmental player for the future, not as someone who would compete to start as a rookie. But Freeman learned over the next several months that Schiano doubted him.

“You hear a lot of speculation and whispers and people saying different things, but the bottom line is it was a situation where the coach wanted to bring in his guy,” Freeman said. “It happens all the time in this league.”

Freeman says the Vikings’ offense is similar to the offense he ran in college, and he’s ready to start this week. Now he’ll try to prove that he’s the guy in Minnesota.

94 responses to “Josh Freeman: Bucs didn’t see me as the guy, I strongly disagree

  1. After 2 games with Glennon at the helm it appears that there are other receivers on the team aside from VJAX…and a TE as well! Who knew?

  2. maybe because you are not that good. nothing but dump-off passes when you have let your team get behind by so much due to your inefficiency. affirmative action only works in the government world, not on a football field.

  3. Yeah you sure showed you was the guy by missing meetings, camps, and then week 1 being late for the team bus to the game…
    In the great words of Riley Freeman (boondocks) “at what point in time does self responsibility come into play”?

  4. After 2 games with GlennonI can’t really say he looks any worse than Freeman. That being said, I don’t think he is the future either. I’m just glad the Bucs didn’t extend Freeman to a Flacco / Romo like deal. I do however hope Freeman plays well just to prove how idiotic the Bucs were for just releasing him.

  5. I say again, a coach’s belief in the QB does wonders for some. He was progressing until Schiano showed up. He had 4000 yards last year, but he wasn’t as good as he was the year before. As his confidence waned so did his play.

    I am hoping for the Schiano era to be over in Tampa and I’m not even a fan.

  6. Josh Freeman is effectively the bigger armed, less accurate version of Christian Ponder. Glennon did something in his second start that Josh Freeman has done once his last 18 starts: Hit over 60% competion, the level thats considered average for a QB.

  7. Well you don’t want to play for an organization that decides it’s best to smear you, rather than level with you about how they feel.

  8. Say what you will about the guy’s talent, but he deserves some respect for having the stones to make a definitive statement. People compare this dude to McNabb, but McNabb would have handled this with some passive-aggressive nonsense.

  9. Top 5 QB’s in the League:

    1) Peyton Manning
    2) Drew Brees
    3) Tom Brady
    4 )Aaron Rodgers
    5) Santana Moss

    IN THAT ORDER!!!!

  10. Freeman wasn’t as bad as Tampa Bay made him out to be, but he also isn’t as good as he seems to think he is. Average to good QB who doesn’t seem to have all his focus on the game. He will never be enough to win big for any franchise. Best thing he can do is put his head down (i.e. avoid media splashes like this story) and watch what Alex Smith is doing in KC right now (the Trent Dilfer playbook).

  11. There are a lot of you who say he is awful and a lot who think he will do fine in Minnesota.

    BUT, your opinions on how good or bad he is just don’t matter. We’ll start to see what happens starting with Sunday.

    I wish him and the Vikings good luck.

  12. Yeah… because NFL offenses are just like college.

    Championship!

    Note for those who are slow on the uptake: That was all sarcasm.

  13. In games Glennon has had 86 passing plays, Freeman under Schiano had 94 in 3 games, barely a discernible difference with an extra game for Glennon. Glennon has faced two of the bottom 3 defenses in the entire NFL vs Freeman facing 3 Top 15 Defenses. I am not a Freeman fan, rather pointing out the facts and obvious, Schiano wanted Freeman to fail. Not that I agree Freeman is a Franchise QB, but Glennon is definitely not an upgrade in any case. Until Schiano goes, a team with as much talent as the Bucs have, won’t do much of anything at all.

  14. As a Viking fan, I obviously want Freeman to succeed. However, his stats over the past couple of years don’t exactly inspire a load of confidence in that direction.

    But if Freeman ends up disappointing in Minnesota, how long will it take the Wilfs to realize that perhaps the issue is the front office and the coaching staff?

    If the Vikings had drafted Colin Kaepernick instead of Ponder back in 2011, would Kaepernick be the success in Minnesota that he has been in SF? I doubt it.

    Ponder and Freeman have the physical tools to play the position. The issue now is, do you have the coaching staff in place to get the best out of your QBs? Minnesota does not.

  15. No worries Josh, lol you will have each and every opportunity to prove your statement to be true or not starting Sunday.

  16. Sometimes a guy goes to a new team and is better than he ever looked like he could be with his old team (e.g., Drew Brees). I hope Freeman either lights it up and clearly shows he’s the long-term answer at QB or he is terrible and clearly shows the Vikings need to invest a top-5 draft pick in one of these nice-looking QBs coming out this year. The worst thing, and most likely, would be looking just competent enough to win enough games to spoil that draft pick.

  17. Great, the Vikes are running an offense similar to the one Freeman ran in college FIVE YEARS AGO? I like Frazier a lot, he’s a high character guy, but Musgrave is a bust and it looks like the DC is too. If Freeman can’t get it going we’ll have a new coaching staff and a new QB next year.

  18. This league is funny. For a lot of guys (Manning, Luck, Rodgers, etc are probably the exceptions), the situation you’re drafted into makes all the difference. You think Tom Brady becomes Tom Brady if he were drafted into a situation like this? I strongly doubt it. On the flip side of that, if Freeman, who has shown some promise, was drafted by a guy like Belichek & a situation like NE he’d probably be pretty damn good right now. How many promising QB careers are ruined because they are drafted into awful situations & by awful coaches?

  19. obamareallysucks says:
    Oct 18, 2013 12:48 PM
    maybe because you are not that good. nothing but dump-off passes when you have let your team get behind by so much due to your inefficiency. affirmative action only works in the government world, not on a football field.
    ************************
    If not for affirmative action in the NFL, there’d be a lot of white guys looking for jobs a bouncers. That said, if Obama really sucks, what does it say about the losers that he’s faced? He keeps kicking their asses at every turn. SHUTDOWN THIS!!!

  20. Freemon is leading this team to glory. It reminds me of Kurt Warner taking over with the Rams in 1999. This kid has wheels and a cannon arm. Peterson will open up the field big time for Freemon, who can make plays from pretty much anywhere.

  21. Oh No !

    I just noticed the “logivalvoicesays” character just took on another new name as G35Phin This really sucks for all us intelligent Dolphins Fans. Trust me…. Santana Moss is not the 5th best QB in the league 😉

  22. This guy is a lot like RGMe — never done anything and just keeps talking about how good he is…. bums, both of them.

  23. Average QB, wish him the best. I agree with earlier comment: not as bad as Schiano wanted him but probably not as good as Freeman thinks he is. But can he be a winner in Minnesota? I don’t see why not as long as you have AD. He is an upgrade from Ponder.

  24. .

    There was zero chance of Freeman returning to the Bucs next season after his performance in the first three games. With that being a certainty why not give the reps to Glennon so you know what you have at QB before the next draft?

    The Bucs are a work in progress and were never going to be a serious contender this season anyways.

    .

  25. Apparently the formulators of the quarterback rating didn’t think you were the guy either.

    Will this guy ever take responsibility for anything? Good riddance. Lots of luck Minnesota fans. Don’t say we didn’t warn ya.

  26. When Josh heard the Vikings wanted him, he should have figured out his career was over. That’s where all the bad and washed up QB’s end up!!
    I don’t think Mini could even compete with colleges with freeman!!!
    Tebow is next!!

  27. FREEMAN HAS WHEELS… LMAO…

    research masterblaster, don’t stereotype. He has about as much wheels as Byron Leftwich.

    Freeman is what he is, his stats all fall in line with exactly what he produced in college.

    Less than 60% completion rate, 1.2:1 TD/INT ratio, 11.8 YPC.

    His NFL averages after 4 years as a starter are almost identical in every way to his averages of 3 years starting at Kansas State.

    No growth whatsoever.

  28. “It’s just been an awesome deal, being blessed, having the opportunity to come play with an organization like Minnesota.”
    ==========
    An organization like Minnesota – he says that like it’s a good thing.

  29. According to Schiano, Glennon give the Bucs a better chance to win right now.

    They then go out and lose to two of the weaker opponents on their schedule. So how’s that whole winning right now thing working out in Tampa?

  30. Is it possible he meant to say the Vikings offense is similar to the one he ran in Pop Warner instead of college? That seems more likely.

  31. I think a move was exactly what this kid needed.

    South Florida offers much more in the way of distractions.

    If Josh can use this as a turning point and play like he’s able to. Vikings fans will be happy.

    It’s not like you gave up anything to get him either.

    In the words of Randy Moss “Straight cash homey”

  32. Hey Vikings fan, welcome to the Freeman roller coaster. Sure he’ll throw a pretty deep ball from time to time, but most of those are jump balls. And he might pick up a 1st down with his legs once a game. But when you see him stare down his first read, one hop screen passes, and return to the bench after a pick 6 with an apathetic “oh well” aloof smile…..you will understand Bucs fan’s frustration. Potential only means you have never done anything.

  33. People seem to forget that when the Vikings drafted Ponder, he was the best option out of all the rest that fit their type of offense. He was the one that was up to speed with the fundamentals of a WCO from having run it in college. Same with Josh Freeman. The Vikings were/are not gonna change from the WCO without having to be changing the from those fundamentals to something else. It would involve a large turn over in the type of players you need for whatever new type offense you have.

  34. cas5875 says:Oct 18, 2013 1:46 PM

    His NFL averages after 4 years as a starter are almost identical in every way to his averages of 3 years starting at Kansas State.

    No growth whatsoever.
    _______

    It seems to me that if you can put up the same numbers in the NFL that you put up in college, you’ve probably grown quite a bit. You see, it’s harder to succeed in the NFL than it is in college.

  35. the guy can play at a high level. he isn’t matt cassel. he does have first round talent, and has sh own it in this league.

    thing is, he needs the right environment and the right group of guys

    as of now, it does seem a bit vince young like, but we will see if he can make it work.

  36. bucrightoff says: Oct 18, 2013 12:55 PM

    Josh Freeman is effectively the bigger armed, less accurate version of Christian Ponder. Glennon did something in his second start that Josh Freeman has done once his last 18 starts: Hit over 60% competion, the level thats considered average for a QB.
    ———————————————————-
    As soon as you compared any QB in the league to Christian Ponder, you lost all credibility. You probably have never once watched him play. Even when he completed passes they were horribly inaccurate.

    And it doesn’t matter who plays QB in TB. Good luck winning anything with Schiano hah.

  37. Its funny how Bucs fans are all acting like jaded lovers.

    I don’t have much faith in Freeman, but you guys need to get over it. Your coach ran your QB out of town.

  38. You had 4 years to prove that you were the guy. ok so you’ve had to deal with three different offensive scemes in those three years but your playing has been just horrible. dumped passes, inaccurate throwing, record interceptions last year, poor decision making. NFL coaches don’t last 4 years under those conditions and granted as a bucs fan im sure we will be looking for another coach. Its just very disappointing to be a bucs fan entering the season under all these issues. We really wanted a season!!

  39. Good pickup by the Vikings ponder is trash and the bucs will regret that they lost their franchise qb when schiano gets canned after this year and they have to start from scratch without a qb of head coach

  40. Josh was just fine as a qb before Schiano’s crew came to Tampa. That’s no coincidence. Lavonte David single handedly lost the jets game after josh lead them to victory. The defense lost the saints game after josh gave them the lead with a minute left. Then Schiano starts Glennon at home against Arizona and Philly INTENTIONALLY because those were winnable games for him to make the change. The bucs are two bonehead plays and a QB change away from being 4-2. Freeman is not the problem with this team.

  41. he has the right attitude and we are happy to have him.

    Everyone up here is waiting for a chance to serve all these hypothetical prognostications back to you by the spoonful so you can eat these words.

    Its not a guarantee to happen, but what qualifies any of us to ASSUME what will happen? The games have to be played first. We will all watch. Some will be right, some will be wrong.

    When its all said and done, things happen in the NFL that make us change our tunes on our teams and favorite players just because we want to be a part of something bigger than ourselves. So stick by your team and root for ALL players to stay healthy and compete at a high level.

    We want to beat the best, when they are at their best.

    God Bless America and Skol Baby Skol!

  42. The Bucs are going to have a chance to get a real GM and Head Coach to draft a real Franchise QB in 2014, so they won’t miss Josh any more than Atlanta misses Mike Vick.

  43. ieverviking says:
    Oct 18, 2013 2:06 PM
    People seem to forget that when the Vikings drafted Ponder, he was the best option out of all the rest that fit their type of offense. He was the one that was up to speed with the fundamentals of a WCO from having run it in college. Same with Josh Freeman. The Vikings were/are not gonna change from the WCO without having to be changing the from those fundamentals to something else. It would involve a large turn over in the type of players you need for whatever new type offense you have.

    —————————-

    So dropping a top 15 draft pick on the same guy they could have got in the second round was the right thing to do?

  44. He could be a really good QB with the right coaching, but I don’t think he will get that with the current coaching staff in Minnesota.

  45. Freeman and Schiano are both at fault. The team will follow the example that leadership sets. QB + Coach are usually the top leaders on the team.

    Brady + Belichick = greatness.
    Brees + Payton = greatness.
    Schiano + Freeman = …well…let’s not say it.

    The Bucs play “yard ball” – That is, there is no discipline. They commit penalties when they shouldn’t, it’s easy to predict who they were going to throw to, the defense seems more concerned with making big hits and injuring other players than with tackling…they just seem like an undisciplined team.

    You’ve got a coach who doesn’t know how to implement order on that team, and you had a QB (Freeman) who had loads of natural talent but did not have the winning attitude or work ethic of a Brady/Brees/Manning.

    Freeman shares some blame in Tampa Bay. I’m not sold that he will be any better in Minnesota, but we’ll see. I don’t see him as one of those guys who mysteriously becomes a top-tier QB midway through his career.

  46. He may do okay against a team that is struggling, like the Giants. I wonder how he will do against a better team like the Packers coming in next week. But sadly, the Vikings have had a long history of not picking good quarter backs. Look how many QB’s have come and gone in just the last five years.

  47. I don’t think Schiano wanted Freeman to fail. I think he wanted him to show up. Say what you want about Schiano, but any coach needs to see his QB as a leader and someone who takes his job seriously. I wasn’t seeing that in Freeman. He has talent but I doubt he has desire.

  48. Yeah Joshie, if you were the guy, you wouldn’t be on your second coach. You were in command on the field when the team lost 10 straight in pretty much horrific fashion in 2011. Your lifetime QB rating dipped below 80 last year, & you haven’t led your team to the playoffs in 4 years (i.e., ever). You had a chance to correct EVERYTHING this year, & you wilted like a delicate flower, posting some of your worst numbers ever. As much as Schiano is a tool, he already saw your body of work, & decided he knew how that story was gonna end (again).

  49. Based on how everything went down at the end, one could infer that Schiano sabotaged Freeman from the get go … his ego needed his QB to be the guy he brought in. The sentiment that Schiano wanted to bring in his own guy was talked about as soon as Schiano was hired as the head coach. Then Freeman proceeded to regress…

  50. godofwine330 says: Oct 18, 2013 12:55 PM

    I say again, a coach’s belief in the QB does wonders for some. He was progressing until Schiano showed up. He had 4000 yards last year, but he wasn’t as good as he was the year before. As his confidence waned so did his play.

    …..

    No one could have done more for his confidence then Morris. How do you account for Freeman’s oses dive in 2011 and his best statistjcal year under Schiano

    It all Freeman, his mood swings, his dealer and his partying.

  51. If he would have played better he’d still be in Tampa.
    From hanging out on the streets to playing god awful.
    Freeman is lucky to have got all his cash and then some from the Vikings. I wonder if he’s wondering how Ponder feels. He’s doing to Ponder what Glennon supposedly has done to him. Just play better and you keep your job.

  52. NO player change will make ANY difference until Musgrave is GONE! At this point I think we need an entirely new coaching staff. I’d keep Lezlie as DC, but it never works that way in the NFL. No one downgrades from head coach and stays with the team.

  53. Rick Spielman is a Magician says:
    Oct 18, 2013 1:19 PM
    Sometimes a guy goes to a new team and is better than he ever looked like he could be with his old team (e.g., Drew Brees).

    ******************************************

    Comparing Josh Freeman to Drew Brees is why Viking fans are known as the dumbest on the planet.

  54. Yeah Joshie, if you were the guy, you wouldn’t be on your second coach.

    Correction: This is his 3rd coach, please get it right.
    You were in command on the field when the team lost 10 straight in pretty much horrific fashion in 2011.

    Yet again you need another correction: He may have been on the field, but he doesn’t play defense. He put up 4000 yards last season with 27/17 on td/int. So he didn’t play that horrible.

    Your lifetime QB rating dipped below 80 last year, & you haven’t led your team to the playoffs in 4 years (i.e., ever).

    This one I can only give you half. it did dip below 80, and yet he still put up franchise setting numbers. He lost out on tiebreakers one year, and last year in reality, had it not been for the defense he could of possibly made it. but then again hindsight is 20/20

    You had a chance to correct EVERYTHING this year, & you wilted like a delicate flower, posting some of your worst numbers ever.

    Yes, he did in fact post some bad numbers, but how much of that can be blamed squarely on him? How many crucial drops did Ogletree have? or how about the 55.5555 mil man? How effective was that o-line at giving him time to throw? How was Doug Martin doing in the running game?
    As much as Schiano is a tool, he already saw your body of work, & decided he knew how that story was gonna end (again).

    The story will end with Schiano being fired, he hung his TB coaching career on hoping that the QB he pined over since he was in college would be the next great QB to come out of this years draft, so far, it hasn’t happened, and not likely it will this year anyways.

  55. I am a big Bucs fan, we drafted him and your gonna see Josh is gonna tear it up! Watch and see the Vikings have just hit the jackpot! Freeman has a cannon, and AD running the ball, the Bucs with egg on our face. Good luck Josh!

  56. @rickjohnson26. Haha right who is he gonna throw the ball to? No Vincent no Williams and he never hits his 3rd and 4th options will consistency! As a Buccaneers Fan there will be no egg on my face . It’s funny 4weeks all of Tampa including local media wanted Freeman gone. I live and work in Tampa. Time to move on from Joshua T Freeman and Support Glennon who looks like he wants to lead and be a qb. Napoleon Dynamite has Fire something Josh never had he still sounds passive and lost. Hell Jeff Garcia was more of a leader. Do I want him to fail never I wish him Well but as a Buccaneers fan I’m sick of hearing about him

  57. Rodgers/Steve Young had to take over for legends and put up with a lot of crap…. they didn’t quit on their coach/teammates/fans, they worked harder.

    Josh Freeman is a quitter.

  58. @brutusmandingo face a little eggy right now? Lets check the tape, freeman gone, Martian out for the the year, bucs still winless. The last part is for josh to be a good fit for the Vikings. Then ( in my darth vader voice) Schianos failer will be compleat. I mean come on bru, we are the Bucs, Toney D got canned, Sapp got traded to the raiders, and we watched Morrris try to turn a safety into a linebacker. Personal mistakes are what we do best. Lets not be soo quick to drink the Kool-aid we have a solid secondary frount four rotation is good, we need one playmaker at the 2nd level and our D-fence is golden. QB was not our issue and now we have to start all over. I am behind the team as I am every season, which make me and if you think about it you as we’ll an exspert on bad personnel moves. I cant lie though i admire your blind optimism to follow flawed decision making. but thats the life of a Bucs fan, and thats why I love you. keep the faith..Boom boom boom GO BUCS!

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