Steelers take 19-16 win on last second field goal

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The Steelers have themselves a winning streak.

Shaun Suisham’s 42-yard field goal at the whistle lifted Pittsburgh to a 19-16 win over the Ravens in a game that resembled many of the others in the rivalry between the two teams. It was physical football short on frills between two teams so evenly matched that the game ended with 287 yards for the Ravens and 286 yards for the home team.

The Steelers grabbed the last points after a drive that saw Ben Roethlisberger throw for two first downs after an Emmanuel Sanders kickoff return gave them the ball on their own 37-yard line. Pittsburgh got another first on an illegal contact penalty called on Ravens cornerback Lardarius Webb and it added up to enough to set up Suisham’s big kick.

The Steelers were returning a kickoff because the Ravens had just completed a 16-play, 73-yard drive with a one-yard touchdown pass to Dallas Clark. It was the most impressive drive of the day for the Ravens, who had a hard time keeping the ball moving before that point against a very game Steelers defense. The Ravens defense was game as well, but Roethlisberger found enough gaps to get his team their second straight win. It helped that the running game chipped in 141 yards of their own, including 93 from rookie Le’Veon Bell

Ravens coach John Harbaugh will likely face some questions about the decision to try an onside kick after cutting the Steelers’ lead to 13-9 early in the fourth quarter. Kicker Justin Tucker didn’t get the ball to go 10 yards and the Ravens were offside, neither of which mattered since the Steelers recovered and needed just 18 yards to set up another Suisham field goal. The Steelers had put together several time-consuming drives on the day, which likely factored into the decision, but those points wound up proving costly in such a closely matched contest.

Ultimately, though, it was their inability to move the ball on offense that wound up doing them in. The loss drops the defending Super Bowl champs to 3-4 on the season and they’ll spend the bye trying to rectify that shortcoming. The Steelers, meanwhile, will travel to Oakland and try to continue grinding their way back into the playoff picture before the start of the second half.

169 responses to “Steelers take 19-16 win on last second field goal

  1. Now what!? Where are the haters!? We are BETTER than you! On the road to the playoffs!

    You MUST be jealous!

  2. Nice win for the Steelers; they deserved it. Baltimore is going to have a long season if they cannot run the ball effectively. What used to be a strength is now a weakness. Rice cannot find the holes and the offensive line is letting too many players go through the line unabated.

  3. Remember that 10-2 run we spoke about? BELIEVE us now?

    We are the class of the AFC and it is all coming together now.

    We win Super Bowls. It’s in our BLOOD.

    Here we go Steelers, here we go!

    The rest remain hidden in our immense shadow.

    6

  4. who’s idea was it to blow up the ravens team that just won the super bowl last year and get rid of all the guys that were good??? oh I know “in ozzie we trust” the ratbirds look really bad. and I am loving every minute of it!! thank you ozzie!! signed steeler nation…

  5. The weekly bonehead John Harbaugh call. This week was an onside kick with 10 minutes left in the fourth quarter with the score 13-9. First of all, why design a kick where Tucker is the one responsible for recovering it. He’s their only offense, and took a nasty knee to the head. Secondly, there is no guarantee that the Steelers wouldn’t have scored anyway if they just kicked it deep, but at least the Ravens aren’t gift wrapping a FG for them.

    It’s too late to abandon this stupid zone blocking run scheme they’re no good at, but at least stop giving Pierce so many touches. He’s going absolutely nowhere. As soon as he was out of the game they were able to move it better with Leach.

    Aside from the Denver blowout, the Ravens have lost three games by three points or less. Today Flacco missed a wide open Jacoby Jones for a long TD, and Harbaugh did another dumb thing that cost points when they only lost by three. I think it’s time to start pinning a lot of this on Harbaugh. His decisions have been terrible this season, and have cost precious points. Just because he won the Super Bowl it isn’t some pass to try and turn into some mad genius without consequence. Check yourself during the bye more than your team.

    Good game Steelers. You guys ran it well and got the Ravens this time. See you again on Thanksgiving. One turkey on the table, one turkey on the sideline coaching the Ravens.

  6. Where are the RAT fans?!?

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    Here we go STEEL RINGS, here we go!

    Where was that GREAT defense?!?

    Ben OWNS you!

  7. I have to say this was one of the most enjoyable games to watch this year even though the Ravens lost. The officials called a pretty good game IMHO and both teams played their hearts out.

  8. 10-2 run.

    Road to the playoffs.

    Rats lining up for top-10 pick.

    We OWN you. ALWAYS have. Go home! HAHA

    ☺☺☺☺☺ Hahahaha☻☻☻☻☻

  9. Nice win for the steelers.. As expected a hard fought game that came down to the wire. Good game ravens.

  10. Good game for the Steelers and erases some of that 0-4 start that most Ravens fans were bagging on us with. Nothing shuts down an entire fan base faster than when their team gets beaten by the team they were ripping on for 4 straight weeks (5 with the bye).

    Maybe in the future save the smack talk until after your team has beaten the Steelers…karma is a you know what…

  11. as usual in this rivalry, another down to the wire nail biter. congrats to the steelers and their fans on a hard fought victory. we will try to get you back in a few weeks

  12. WE are relevant! The RATS aren’t!

    Back to the drawing board! ☺☺ HAHAHAHA ☺☺

    #superbowlbound

    Say hello to the basement RatTURDS

  13. Wearethesteelers or igotsixringsandnolife whatever your name is this week, what do you think this team is good??? You better look at the division. No chance. BTW all these great Steelers fans, where was one third of the stadium today. Yea great fans!!!

  14. “Oh well, this was their Super Bowl.”
    -Steelers fans after every loss ever

    On a positive note, I’ve never seen Ravens fans takeover Heinz field quite like they did today. Good job, fans, too bad it was wasted.

  15. Hey Baltimore, how’s dumbervil working out for ya??? He virtually single handedly gave Pittsburgh one of those drives.

  16. Blatant no call PI on William Gay on Jacoby Jones in the 2nd quarter, could have sworn the rule was defensive players are supposed to play the ball, not mug a receiver in the endzone on a bomb without even turning your head one bit. Not that it would have mattered if it had been called seeing how insanely atrocious my Ravens’ run blocking has been all year, prob wouldn’t have been able to punch it in from the one even if it had been called. Apart from that a well officiated and hard fought game by both teams. Here’s to both teams staying healthy for another great rematch later this year.

  17. It’s been a rough week. Can’t thank the Steelers enough for this one. They make me want to scream and beat my head on the keyboard sometimes. But I will love this team until the end of my days … and then some.

  18. If your O-line I’d made up of pretty much the same faces, hown is it possible for everything to be off on offense? If your defense has been solid all year, where have all of these holes come from all of a sudden in the defense? I have a theory. All of the struggles on defense comes with play calling. Off of memory, every gash made by the Steelers, the Ravens never called a run blitz. They only blitz on passimg downs against a dink and dunk offense that exploited the middle all game. The offense needs to mix up the play calling. They had one long drive where the play calling was excellent. They ran counters and draws instead of plain dives like they have all game. This season Harbaugh is trying to become the face of the team. His and both coordinators decisions has killed this team thus far and the bye couldn’t come fast enough.

  19. bigbenownsthenfl says:
    Oct 20, 2013 7:31 PM
    who’s idea was it to blow up the ravens team that just won the super bowl last year and get rid of all the guys that were good??? oh I know “in ozzie we trust” the ratbirds look really bad. and I am loving every minute of it!! thank you ozzie!! signed steeler nation…
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    It sounds like the Steelers just won the Super Bowl! Isn’t that what trolls like you said when the Ravens beat the Steelers last year?

    My point? Have a little class and enjoy the win in dignity. At the end of the day the Steelers are still in last place. That may change down the road, but for now, your comments make you (not all Steelers fans – just you personally) look foolish.

  20. wearethesteelers says:
    Oct 20, 2013 7:29 PM
    Now what!? Where are the haters!? We are BETTER than you! On the road to the playoffs!
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    If by “you” you mean the Viking, Jaguars, Buccaneers and Giants, then you are correct. The Steelers are better than those four teams.

  21. Don’t worry at some point bobzilla will come on here and post that if Ben was any good the steelers would have won by 21. That guy just can’t be happy about a win and hates Ben more than he probably hates himself. On another topic, I sure would love to have seen another view of sanders foot being out, because the edging around his heel is white, and it didn’t look like his heel ever touched down, he was running on his toes at that point. Plus I’ve replayed it several times and still didn’t hear a whistle? Since apparently some ref ruled him out, the play can’t be reviewed. Not aging it would have held up, but there really wasn’t a good angle showing his heel touching down. And lastly, if Moye catches that pass, perhaps we wouldn’t have had to have the team and (according to bobzilla, their average/good QB) lead them down field for the game winning FG by Suisham. Total team effort.

  22. Lol steelers….. You beat us good job. But why was your stadium 3/4 full. They kept showing over head shots on TV and it was really empty. What happened.. Please explain wearesteelers and others.. When did Pittsburgh become a fair whether town..

  23. @jakec4

    You made some good points on coaching. But had to be wondering where dumervilles head was at on that 3 penalty drive.

  24. Another great Steelers/Ravens game. Still a long way to go what with the Bengals and Browns looking better this year. Maintaining their self confidence when they were 0 – 4 proves they have the steel to go all the way.

  25. Flacco played fine.

    Our run game/run blocking/harbaugh’s bonehead onside kick call / run defense lost us the game. This is our third loss where the defense cannot make a crucial stop.

    Time to hang our heads for two weeks, then come back strong (optimism). Congrats to the Steelers, still the best rivalry.

  26. Hey Rats, WE RAN the ball down you THROATS

    Ben was PERFECT

    Your offense we LOL

    WE WON AGAIN

    How is this a rivalry????????

  27. How does that foot fungus taste straight down your throats? You’re LUCKY it was even THAT close. Chirp, chirp. Crickets, crickets. 2 in a row VS Baltimore; 2 in a row the last 2 weeks. We are finding our groove, NFL. Believe that.

  28. Are ravens fans really still taking? Come on guys you looked terrible today and who are you counting on to turn your season around? Ray Rice? Joe Flacco? Terrell Suggs? Please. Dumervil looked looked like a rookie today thanks for the free first downs. At least the steelers have promising young talent. The ravens don’t.

    Good game LeVeon, Timmons, Wood, Vince Williams, Ben, AB and the list goes on. Couldn’t be happier on a Sunday night!!

  29. It’s extremely rare that I root for the Steelers to win, so I’m glad they didn’t let me down.

    The rest of the AFC North can cannibalize each other while the Bengals coast to an AFC North title and perhaps a number two seed.

  30. Steeley McBeam says: Oct 20, 2013 7:50 PM

    Are ravens fans really still taking? Come on guys you looked terrible today
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    If we looked horrible today and it took a last minute kickoff return and field goal for you to beat us at HOME… What does that say about your team? I agree with you that we looked bad, but we still had a chance to win. Flacco moved the ball at will for most of the game, but settling for FGs isn’t gonna beat the Steelers.

  31. steelersfanfromtheseventies says: Oct 20, 2013 7:43 PM

    @jakec4

    You made some good points on coaching. But had to be wondering where dumervilles head was at on that 3 penalty drive.

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    I appreciate the fact that Dumervil was amped up and wanting to make himself known since he’s new to what the Ravens-Steelers means. He just did it the wrong way. All of those penalties were no good, but at least he was a presence. That is more than I can say for Ngata who is making a lot and doing very little.

  32. If we looked horrible today and it took a last minute kickoff return and field goal for you to beat us at HOME… What does that say about your team? I agree with you that we looked bad, but we still had a chance to win. Flacco moved the ball at will for most of the game, but settling for FGs isn’t gonna beat the Steelers.

    Funny, your excuse today sounds like your Chalie Batch excuse from last year…..let’s face it, you are not as good as you were last year and we are not as bad as we started out this year. The AFC north is still wide open and the Ravens have the parts to turn it around. Unlike Cincy, the Ravens have proven capable of winning a playoff game.

    Nice to see a meal of crow for so many raven trolls tonight, but may I suggest an Iron City to help wash it down…..ah, karma is sweet.

  33. The best part of watching the Steelers win in our area, watching Hairball running off the field a loser. The second best I did not have to watch Jacksonville in our area.

  34. Me & Deb watched the game together! It was awesome! Refs handed the game to the Stealers! Of course Stealers got all the calls.

    #wehaveabetterrecord
    #didyoueverwinasuperbowl?

  35. Good game raven nation. Count on another 1 next month.
    Flacco had 1 good drive, trash for most if the rest of the game. What happened to this monster defense Oz assembled? What happened to the best RB tandem?
    Steelers are a 1/2 game out if second, 2 of 3 winnable games coming up. Keep on running and pass protecting like the last 2 weeks it could be 3 winnable games.

  36. citizenstrange says:
    Oct 20, 2013 8:15 PM
    One again the Steeler’s defense lets Big Bum’s 19 points of offense stand up for a win.

    0 0
    Report comment. I think you have been drinking Bobzilla’s prune juice…. In the w column do style points count? Just be happy for a win or is it only a win if it’s done the way you like it…..smh in disgust.

  37. People pitching dirt on them (and I’ll raise my hand as one), the Steelers aren’t out of the picture in the flux AFC. All four divisions seem to be locks with the AFC West loser between the Cheifs and Broncos getting the first wild card. Otherwise, it’s wide open between alot of equal teams within a couple of game of each other, and the Steelers have tie breakers on a couple of them already (Jets and Ravens). Not to mention, the Bengals are a really shaky team at 5-2 as long as Dalton is the starting QB.

  38. sarasotaraven says:
    Oct 20, 2013 7:43 PM
    Lol steelers….. You beat us good job. But why was your stadium 3/4 full. They kept showing over head shots on TV and it was really empty. What happened.. Please explain wearesteelers and others.. When did Pittsburgh become a fair whether town..

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    The stadium was full at the beginning of the game. After the first quarter Harbaugh was holding open tryouts on the sideline for anybody who could run block…that’s where everybody else was.

  39. Cam, steelers were 1-4. Now the ravens have the same amount if losses. The SB champs were a fluke last year, long road for both teams to try to make the playoffs, the ravens have the easier path, but in the end I doubt either team makes it.

  40. jakec4 says:
    Oct 20, 2013 8:07 PM
    steelersfanfromtheseventies says: Oct 20, 2013 7:43 PM

    @jakec4

    You made some good points on coaching. But had to be wondering where dumervilles head was at on that 3 penalty drive.

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    I appreciate the fact that Dumervil was amped up and wanting to make himself known since he’s new to what the Ravens-Steelers means. He just did it the wrong way. All of those penalties were no good, but at least he was a presence. That is more than I can say for Ngata who is making a lot and doing very little.

    Point well taken.

  41. @edagarpoe3
    You ravens fans with a very small amount of exceptions have NO RIGHT to cry about the lack of class. You fan base has been gloating and absolutely pathetic this year. So just take your lumps like you gave it this off season.

  42. i have no problem complimenting the steelers and their fans on a great win…i did that in an earlier post. and im glad you all are so happy in securing win number two to go with your 4 losses. but jm….get over last year. it wasnt a fluke. it was what it was. the ravens won the super bowl. move on

  43. How Sweet is is!!!!!The game shouldn’t have even been that close. Baltimore is truly overrated laughing stock….. Looks like the Ravens are the 3rd best team in London. Welcome to the bottom of the cellar, where JMF is hiding..LOL. BHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHA

  44. wearethesteelers says: Oct 20, 2013 7:29 PM

    Now what!? Where are the haters!? We are BETTER than you! On the road to the playoffs!

    You MUST be jealous!
    —————
    The haters are everywhere, junior. You are on the road to Oakland, a team that beat you 3 of the last 4. Your backup QB even beat the Steelers a few years ago. Carson Palmer beat your team last year. Carson Palmer! It doesn’t get much worse than that. The Raiders are in the middle of a salary cap purge, something Pittsburgh is past due for, so if you lose in Oakland next week, that just means you’re a year behind.

  45. I get that everyone is excited that the Steelers beat the Ravens but they are still just 2-4. Yes there is a long way to go but everything would have to break the steelers way for them to make the Playoffs they have to go 8-2 the rest of the way which means they have to beat Cincinnati once, Baltimore again, Browns twice, Dolphins, Lions, and Bills. In my mind the best they can get is a wild card they have no shot at the division.

  46. Haley sucks so bad. Almost blew the game passing at the end.

    Can’t wait until he’s fired. If it wasn’t for Ben’s ability and a weak Raven run D we would have lost.

    Close game though against two struggling teams this year.

    Anyone who thinks Haley is at all qualified should stop watching Pro Football. You need to go watch a high school game to see how bad he is.

  47. sarasotaraven says:
    Oct 20, 2013 7:43 PM
    Lol steelers….. You beat us good job. But why was your stadium 3/4 full. They kept showing over head shots on TV and it was really empty. What happened.. Please explain wearesteelers and others.. When did Pittsburgh become a fair whether town..

    that’s it…. that is your best smack?
    Ok, well then let me explain,
    they went to the bathroom, they went to get food and drinks.
    They went to get better phone reception call and tell others to celebrate that the Steelers beat the Ravens!!!

  48. People are posting they doubt either the Steelers or Ravens will make the playoffs. I’d truly find that disappointing. Would rather see the Ravens go than neither of our teams make it. Traditional smashmouth should be represented in January.

  49. With the way Cincinnati is playing, Baltimore is in big trouble at this point. At 2-4 in the conference, that puts them near the bottom of all the 3-4 teams in terms of the WC. And when you considering both Denver and KC will probably be 7-0 at the end of the day, that’s one WC spot gone. Baltimore can’t afford to lose any more games in the AFC or they are dead in terms of tiebreakers. Losing Boldin and having no running game is killing their offense; you can’t lay this all on Flacco’s shoulders.

    As for the Steelers, it’s a nice win, it feels good, but they are far from back from the hole they dug themselves. They’ve lost 2 in a row in Oakland, and even if they survive that game, then have to go on the road to New England. Now, all this being said, IF (and that’s a BIG IF) they pull those 2 games out to get back to .500, their next 3 are manageable (Buffalo/Detroit at home, then at Cleveland), and then they are @ Baltimore.

    The biggest winner today out of all of this was Cincinnati, who simply need to split with Baltimore beat Pittsburgh H2H again, and win the rematch at home with Cleveland, +2 other wins and they will win the AFC North.

  50. Scoobs, oz blew up the team to prevent a repeat after the last SB. He traded Boldin for a 6 pack “in order to signed key players on the new and improved defense”. The defense has been bad to average. Flacco got paid, with huge cap numbers in the last 3 years of the deal, and has yet to earn the deal this year.
    Can no longer blame Cam, so you blame the line and the RBs. A bad line and/or no run game is only an excuse, other QBs overcome it. Still a long season left but expect the hangover to continue.
    All the other haters, yea it’s the second win, but the climbing out of the hole has started. The team has put together 2 solid games in a row, things are looking brighter. Still very far away from a playoff team but winnable games are coming up.
    AFCN is looking a lot different, 1/2 game out if first with 4/10 divisional games left. Bengals take the division with the Steelers coming in second and the browns bringing up the rear.

  51. scoobs
    you are very kind in your post. Most of my post are directly related to the trash talkers like JMF. He talked so much noise this year only to see his beloved ravens lose t0 the steelers this year. Big Ben is 10-4 against the ravens, FACTS don’t lie. The ravens won last year but this year(3-4) is definitely an indication that last year was nothing but a fluke for Baltimore. Sorry, it is, what it is.

  52. Hey Squealers, act like you’ve won before.

    You’ve won 2 games and you’re all acting like you’ve won another steroid laced SB.

    Unless your dealer gets out of prison, your season is done.

    Your franchise is headed to the crap heap it deserves like your baseball team before it.

  53. steelcurtainn says: Oct 20, 2013 9:41 PM

    scoobs
    you are very kind in your post. Most of my post are directly related to the trash talkers like JMF. He talked so much noise this year only to see his beloved ravens lose t0 the steelers this year. Big Ben is 10-4 against the ravens, FACTS don’t lie. The ravens won last year but this year(3-4) is definitely an indication that last year was nothing but a fluke for Baltimore. Sorry, it is, what it is.
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    Facts don’t lie?

    You are 2-4: FACT

    You didn’t make the playoffs last year: FACT

    You lost in the first playoff game against Tebow in 2011 – TEBOW: FACT

    Your team has only succeeded when they abused steroids or HGH: FACT

    Your dealer is in prison: FACT

  54. realitycheck, instead of slamming the steelers, you should be thanking cleveland. If not for them, you’d be the worst team in the afcn.

  55. You’re right! The Super Bowl Champions are “not relevant”. I understand that standardized testing in the Pittsburgh school system is sub-par, but “irrelevant” is in fact a word.

    That said, it was a game decided by a field goal. Just about every game these two teams play is tight. I hate the Steelers, but this is how it goes. Rivals play each other tough and split for the most part.

    See you on turkey day…

  56. Realilitycheck point to a team that didn’t use steroids in the 70’s and I’ll either call you a liar or the team sucked. That being said steroids was not banned until ’87, does it make it right using them? No. But I would bet any competing team used them.

  57. Realitycheck seems to forget that in the 70s his Ravens were known as the Cleveland Browns, and according to one-time Brown Lyle Alzado, they were using steroids.

  58. jmblosser82 says: Oct 20, 2013 10:23 PM

    Realilitycheck point to a team that didn’t use steroids in the 70′s and I’ll either call you a liar or the team sucked. That being said steroids was not banned until ’87, does it make it right using them? No. But I would bet any competing team used them.
    =====================

    Sorry.

    Nice cover up attempt.

    Check the obituaries.

    Steelers’ use was institutionalized.

    Unfortunately.

    For the players.

  59. Deb says: Oct 20, 2013 10:39 PM

    Realitycheck seems to forget that in the 70s his Ravens were known as the Cleveland Browns, and according to one-time Brown Lyle Alzado, they were using steroids.

    -=================================-

    Deb.

    Raven fan?

    You know what they say about assumptions.

  60. Facts don’t lie?

    You are 2-4: FACT

    You didn’t make the playoffs last year: FACT

    You lost in the first playoff game against Tebow in 2011 – TEBOW: FACT

    Your team has only succeeded when they abused steroids or HGH: FACT

    Your dealer is in prison: FACT

    The STEELERS are 1-0 against Baltimore this year: FACT.

    The ravens are falling in the basement. The Steelers are climbing out. FACT.

    The Rest of your post pertaining to this year: IRRELEVANT.

    Please tell me you have something more too talk about then PAST Stories of HGH/Steroids or ancient old tebow talk. I guess you must have forgot the ravens were CUNDIFFED if you like to bring up the past.

  61. thegeno
    for your information the vikings beat the steelers in london did you not watch the game, yes right now that is there only win but I am hoping fingers crossed here they win on monday against the giants,

  62. The Rest of your post pertaining to this year: IRRELEVANT.
    ==============================

    ha ha ha ha ha

    Come playoffs when you guys have 6 wins you can complain to the league that you should be in the playoffs because you beat the flipping Ravens with a last second FG.

  63. appreciate it and understand steel…and again, good game. same for you jm. and yes, this year certainly hasnt gone the way we have wanted it to thus far. but what does that have to do with winning the super bowl last year. how about last year was the culmination of a great five year run. for the last five years the ravens have been as good as any team in the nfl. so maybe the first 7 games of this year are a fluke. again fellas, great win for you guys. still a lot of season left to go

  64. steelers88,

    You did look at that list of teams that you typed didn’t you? They play the Raiders next, which is a very winnable game, much like the rest of those games you mentioned. The defense has played well this season, so like I said earlier, the Steelers are in the thick of this thing with fraud teams like the Dolphins, teams with no QB like the Bils around, and teams with rookies at QB like the Jets and Bills around. They are just as likely to get the last spot as anyone, and right now I’d bet on them over the rest of those teams since they have the best QB.

  65. Very nice win!!

    Steelers/Ravens is the best rivalry in football. It always amazes me that these games go down to the wire and almost always a 3 point difference.

    I liked Tomlin’s comment after the game about just trying to stay ‘relevant’. I like that he’s not over-stating it. It’s only the second win and the hole to get out of is still pretty deep, but I bet they all feel pretty good about beating the Ravens.

    Bell is making a difference and the o-line had good moments today. Progress!!

  66. The interwebs sure brings out the worst of the worst.

    I wish the win was more convincing, because I’m not convinced. It was a great game, and I’m confident the Ravens will right the ship in the bye week. Hopefully game 2 at The Bank will be just as competitive.

  67. I LOVE BIG BEN!!!
    Two wins, two TDs. Awesome!!!
    I’d probably like him a whole lot more if I didn’t have this nasty habit of watching other games that feature other quarterbacks. All you Roethlisberger Obsessive ought to be glad you don’t have the same nasty habit.
    Shaun Suisham: League MVP (with an assist from Ben Roethlisberger).

  68. for those pushing the Bengals, they just lost their best cover corner for the year.

    Ravens fans – lets show some class. It was a typical hard fought game and we lost. Give credit to Pittsburgh for doing what they had to do to win.

    For the Flacco critics – get a life. He put his team in a position to win and the defense did not get a stop when it needed to. Flacco isn’t the best in the league but he is the most durable having not missed a game into his 6th season. In the last couple of years he has consistently put his team in a position to win, which is what you want from your QB unless his name is Aaron Rodgers, Dree Brees or Peyton Manning. There aren’t that many of them in the league.

    From my perspective, if we are going to go 9-7, I would rather go 6-10 and get a good pick. It has been 7 years since we have had a pick in the top 15 slots. This is the cycle of the NFL. We have been on or near the top for 5 years. You think the losers in Cleveland wouldn’t trade their oldest kid for that?

    Again, congrats to the Steelers for a hard fought win. I hope we kick the hell out of you on Thanksgiving night.

  69. AS long as we have a win against the Ravens, doesnt matter if we dont win another game, the season is a success. How bout them SuperBowl busts, er, I mean champions?

  70. ravanator says: Oct 20, 2013 7:32 PM

    Refs handed this game to the steroids Steelers, NFL rigged this game. Ravens are still better! Check the records!

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    Dont make excuses. You lost. Shhhhhhh lol

    Steelers nation!!

  71. Let’s talk about the #1 indicator of teams winning and losing…turnovers. The Steelers were -1 in turnovers yesterday which means they only ad a 37% chance at winning. How do you win when you are in the negative in turnover margin? Defense must mitigate the points scored off of turnovers. Unless my memory is failing, the Ravens only got a FG off of the turnover. Had they gotten a TD, the Steelers lose. Credit where credit is due…defense put the offense in position to win this game by keeping it close and low scoring.

    Hard fought game by two teams of equal ability. Not very good teams, but equal ability. I’ll take the win every day.

  72. just one more quick point jm…if the ravens are so bad, why did it come down to a fg with 3 seconds left for you to win. if the ravens d is so awful, then why did the steelers only score 19. if flacco is so bad, then where were all the turnovers. truth is, both teams are evenly matched as always. this year neither is that good.

  73. Knock, knock
    Who’s there?
    Owen
    Owen who?

    Owen “the Steelers beat your Ravens so we can finally put all the little knock knock jokes to rest”

    Yeah, I’m still working on that one.

    It is hard to get overly excited about barely sneaking out a win against another struggling team, but I’ll take it. No one should be chalking next week up in the W column just yet. The Steelers have struggled against the Raiders recently and haven’t been stellar with west coast trips.

  74. For the people saying Flacco played fine and Falcco isn’t the problem…When you can’t score points and your qb is getting $120 mil he is a problem.

  75. Excellent and important win for the Steelers against a tough division rival. Was at the game, it had a playoff atmosphere since it was important to both teams. Someone said the stadium was 1/3 empty, but that is nonsense. Yes there were some empty seats but the fans that were there were really into the game. Typical hard fought battle. Nice to see the Steelers get a good running game going, and Bell really ran hard. Great game by Timmons. Troy’s leap over the center was really something to see.

    Long way to go and still an uphill battle but at least us Steeler fans have hope, more than several weeks ago. It could be a 3 game winning streak considering Oakland is coming up, and Steelers cannot afford a letdown.

    Finally, I will add that the Steelers have a 2 game winning streak against the Ravens, which is very nice indeed.

  76. Bobzilla, Ben may not be a top 5 QB, but he is 6 or 7. Point totals are down, but the blame is not all his. The ineffective running game with bad pass blocking puts more pressure on him then Brady, Manning, or Brees. Ben is leaps and bounds better then most of the other QBs in the NFL, put almost any other QB on this team and I bet they are still looking for a win.

    Scoobs I bet most would agree last year was the fluke, not the start if this season. I admit Flacco had tied for the best post season run but the defense was playing the best football during that time. Flacco had solid season numbers the first 4 years while playing behind high ranked defenses, they won as a team and lost as a team. Even you have to admit he is not playing up to his contract, Ben has a worst line and running game and he has as good or better numbers.

    Steelers are in 4th place in the AFCN, next week the could very likely be in second and the ravens will be in the basement. I am still very skeptical that they will finish with a playoff spot but they have hope. They need to continue the pass protection and running game they developed the last 2 weeks to achieve a respectable season.

  77. Scoobs, I believe all but 3 or 4 games between these 2 teams have been close, either in the low teens or mid 20’s. The truth is that your ravens have a losing record against the steelers, at home, away or the playoffs it does not matter. The ravens made some headway the last few years but against the “basement dwellers”, dubbed by your fellow fan base, but they still have the edge. It’s going to be another hard fraught slobber-knocker next month and I expect anther 3-4 point game that comes down to the wire.
    As far as your comments about the bad Flacco the defense and such, raven nation defense on Boldin being traded was to sign the beasts on defense that have been highly disappointing. Elvis was as much help to the steeler offense as any player. Flacco had 1 good drive that lead to a TD. He got the ball in the Pit 38 yard line before the half and only managed a FG. The $120 million dollar man is issues putting points up. They won the turnover battle but lost the war. The defense that was going to be tops in the league is almost as much if a liability as Flacco.

  78. taosravenfan says:
    Flacco isn’t the best in the league but he is the most durable having not missed a game into his 6th season.
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    Ravens practice squad players take note: just be average and don’t get hurt. Then you will be paid the highest contract at your position, regardless of performance.

  79. Nofoolnodrool says: Oct 20, 2013 8:26 PM
    “Just be happy for a win or is it only a win if it’s done the way you like it…..smh in disgust.”
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    It’s not like the Steelers are 6-0 and I am nitpicking 13-9 victories.

    Here is what I SMH in disgust at.

    1) $110 million dollar quarterback ranked 27th in scoring offense.

    2) 2-4 record with the two wins only because the defense carried the $110 million dollar quarterback on its back and let his one touchdown per game stand up for wins.

    3) Three years in a row with zero playoff wins despite usually having the #1 defense in the entire NFL.

  80. jm i do agree thet flacco isnt playing up to his contract. but guess what? neither is ben. and the reasons are very similar yet you excuse ben for everything. yesterday, flacco and ben had very similar numbers. neither team has an o line. ravens couldnt run. our defense couldnt stop you guys on 3rd down. and it took a last second fg to win. now as far as the last 5 years go, the ravens have won the 2nd most amount of games, made 5 playoffs, 3 afc title games and won a super bowl. the head to head record vs the steelers has nothing to do with any of that. yes the ravens havent beaten the steelers in the playoffs. but that certainly doesnt take away from what that team has accomplished. i will say that the 2011 team was better than 2012, but to say a super bowl team was a fluke is just absurd…and you should know better. was the steeler sb as the 6th seed a fluke?

  81. Citizen, you act like the Steelers had the best offensive personnel in the league the past 3-4 years surrounding Ben. Like he was the only issue on offense. Have you actually watched ant games? How about their top rated run game? Or their OL full of pro-bowlers? Oh wait…..

  82. I’m sorry, but bobzilla’s post was funny. He’d like Ben more if he didn’t have a nasty habit of watching other quarterbacks. Now you have to admit … that’s funny.

    It’s hard to give up the idea that someone is the guy. It was hard for me. Imagine what it was for fans in San Francisco to see Montana leave, and for a lot of fans in Indy to see Peyton leave. And skillwise, they both brought a lot more to the table than Ben ever has. But the time comes when teams have to move on to ensure future success. No matter how the rest of this season unfolds, Roethlisberger is nearing the end of his usefulness to the organization. It is what it is.

  83. deb and bobzilla are idiots. nobody means more to an offense then big ben. deal with it. hes here for at least 4 more years. then when hes gone you 2 can get on here and post about when you watched 1 of the best QBs of all time. then you and bobzilla can watch big ben as he is enshrined into the hall of fame. I mean you 2 do understand that you are talking about a future hall of famer right? cause the way you and bobzilla talk you act like he isn’t a 2 time super bowl champion and been to the big dance 3 times. I really do hate unknowledgeable steeler fans. or so called steeler fans!!!

  84. Good game Steeler fans. Both teams have had better performances but it was a typical AFCN battle.

    As Steeler and Raven fan sit here and tear each other apart we all are missing the fact the Bengals are widening their lead. The Ravens with the next best record are ranked 11th in the conference and 5 spots out of the last wild card. Kinda makes the bickering seem pointless.

  85. @bigbenownsthenfl

    Question for you. Is Eli Manning a HOF QB? He’s also won two Super Bowls and he was even the MVP of both. Consistently year after year Eli has been considered better than Ben. I’m not a Giants fan but I don’t think Eli’s career is HOF caliber.

  86. good question lovefootball. no eli has never been considered as good as ben. and here is why.. ben has had no offensive line for many years, yet continues to be the only source of offense that this steeler team has ever had. eli is under rated although he is having an awful year. as a matter of fact ive never heard anyone ever say eli is better then ben. also eli has had a very good running game behind him in those years he has won the super bowl. ben hasn’t had a decent running back since willie parker and the bus. please don’t say mendenhall was good. he was awful. and on top of it all the steelers defense ranks last every year in turnovers. you know what that is like for a QB to have to work under that pressure of constantly working from their own 20 yard line every set of downs??? but ben does it every year. would be nice to work on a short field from time to time. butfor about 4 years now the defense never creates turnovers. you know how many more points the offense woud put up with short field and turnovers. much, much more. so when you see deb and bobzilla on here talking about how the steeler offense is ranked near the bottom in points scored. what they don’t understand or lack knowledge of the game is. while brady, manning, brees are turning short fields into td’s. big ben has to go 80 yds to do the same. and while brady, manning and brees are sitting in the pocket for 6 seconds scanning the field because they have a good off. line. ben has 3 seconds to san. a lot different. plus there are other intangibles I wont go into. but if youre smart you will get my point. he will never throw up the numbers of those so called top tier Qb’s. but trust me for what he has to work with them Qb’s ive mentioned wouldn’t be able to do what ben does. scramble around for 7 seconds and throw on the run.. you cant quantify what ben does in meer stats because it goes way beyond that.. now you are educated.

  87. @bigbenownsthenfl …

    I am many things, but unknowledgeable isn’t one of them. Nor is bobzilla unknowledgeable. We’re also not hero-worshipers.

    Yes, I have watched some of the greatest ever to play the game. I watched Bradshaw, Staubach, Montana, Marino, Elway, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Tom Brady. I’ve seen footage of Unitas and read the history of Slingin’ Sammy Baugh. Ben Roethlisberger is not in their league. Neither is two-time Super Bowl champion Eli Manning, as lovefootball4life pointed out. Joe Theismann won one Super Bowl and lost another. He’s not in the Hall of Fame.

    Winning or playing in a championship is not a guaranteed ticket to Canton. Ben had the worst game stats of any Super Bowl QB. He’s never been a Super Bowl MVP. It’s been understood by most people who study the game that Ben would have to do more to make the Hall. Unfortunately, that’s never been understood by Ben. He doesn’t study the game. He hasn’t learned how to read defenses. I believe he is one of the most naturally gifted quarterbacks in the league. But he has never been interested in doing the necessary work to maximize his potential.

    Because of that, as he gets older, he will record more sacks and turnovers, while making fewer great escapes. It’s called the Law of Diminishing Returns. And it is inevitable. If I thought for a nanosecond that Ben would start working to become a smarter QB as he ages, I’d fight to keep him. He has demonstrated in the last two years that he’s not going to do that. So the team needs to make adjustments.

  88. hahaha, that’s the funniest post ever. you are in a very small minority I hate to tell you. get used to it ben will be around for at least 4 more years. if you are so smart tell me why the steelers didn’t win a super bowl until ben arrived??? go ahead ill wait….and please ramble off these great Qb’s that the steelers have had since bradshaw??? again ill wait….. exactly…. there haven’t been any.. fact is cowher couldn’t get the job done with all those years of awesome defenses. im sure you remember the greg Lloyds and the kevin greenes and the rod woodson and so on and so on…explain to me why? because they never had a good QB that’s why! you see the QB position is the most important on the field. and in any sport for that matter. ben has been a winner for many years. his record doesn’t lie. and although you are drinking the bobzilla kool aid. it doesn’t change the fact that when ben is gone, that will truly be when the steelers are rebuilding. its very tough to find a franchise QB. we are lucky we have him. and you should be thanking him everyday. cause when he is gone you will see just what its like to be the Cleveland browns. its not easy to find a franchise QB. you take it for granted…tisk tisk. shame on you….

  89. and I think you may wanna check bens stats in the super bowl against Arizona. they were impressive not to mention he threw the game winning td with 30 seconds left in the game. the seattle 1 he did poorly. he was in hs 2nd year in the league!!! wow you guys are lost. look at his game against Denver leading up to the super bowl against seattle. he was lights out. I mean do you expect a 2nd year QB to come into the league and win a super bowl?? be realistic would ya. and oh ya all he did his rookie year was go 15-1…wow as I type this I realize just how insane your bashing of ben really is.. you need to check yourself!!!

  90. “The Steelers have themselves a winning streak.

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    Just goes to show ya that even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while…

  91. I think for you, much like bobzilla. you don’t like ben as a person, so you take it out on him by posting negative stuff about his play. learn to separate the 2. yes he has done some things in the past, but don’t let it cloud your judgement he is a fantastic QB.

  92. Grats to the Steelers and their fans, it was a good game. This obviously isn’t the Ravens year. I hope it’s a good close game for the rematch.

  93. Reading these comments make my day. Steelers fans act like they won the superbowl at 2-4. Ravens fans think they got robbed, and actually still have a chance to repeat. Face it kids, the only thing either of these two teams will be fighting for is the 3 and 4th position in AFC North. The Bengals look for real, but will still get bounced in first round of playoffs. Browns are hit and miss, even with Weeden they are still overall a better team than Pitts. and Bal. It is nice to see the most annoying fans in the NFL (pitts & bal.) destroying each other over who sucks worse.

  94. @bigbenownsthenfl …

    You must be new. I write and research for a living and wrote mini-dissertations defending Ben’s innocence on the sexual assault allegations–because that’s what the evidence showed. The site wasn’t moderated then, and I paid a heavy price for defending him in hate posts and personal threats. But I stood my ground … and I’m still here.

    Yes, I agree–and have posted many times–that Ben was the missing link for the Steelers. He brought extraordinary talent and he made the team believe. No, I don’t think we’d have gone to those Super Bowls–or won SBXLIII–without him. But he has not grown in the position, which is why we are now facing the Law of Diminishing Returns. You might try looking up that term. Nothing is stagnant in football. That’s why Peyton, who built football in Indy, and Montana, who brought four championships to the 49ers, eventually had to move on.

    My comments aren’t based on hero worship–like yours–or on any personal dislike of Ben. They’re all about the game and what’s best for the team I love.

  95. Bigbenowns, 4 years might be pushing it behind this bad line, but I agree that he will get another contract.
    Scoobs, the difference between Ben and Joe, Ben never priced himself at the top of the market, he doesn’t average. $20 million a year, he isn’t coming off a SB win and MVP. His team was 8-8 last year, he isn’t expected to be in first place. Took the ravens 5 seasons to win under Joe, it took 2 under Ben. Ben also went to 3 AFC title games and his team won 2 SB in his first 5 years. So your defense of all joe does is win, all Ben does is win.
    As for the guy who said we are forgetting about the bengals, wrong. Steelers have to get above the brown and ravens before they can eye the bengals, the can do that this weekend. Plus not real worried about a team who hasn’t won a playoff game since the early 90s.

  96. Deb says: Oct 21, 2013 4:04 PM

    @bigbenownsthenfl …

    I am many things, but unknowledgeable isn’t one of them. Nor is bobzilla unknowledgeable. We’re also not hero-worshipers.

    Yes, I have watched some of the greatest ever to play the game. I watched Bradshaw, Staubach, Montana, Marino, Elway, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Tom Brady. I’ve seen footage of Unitas and read the history of Slingin’ Sammy Baugh. Ben Roethlisberger is not in their league. Neither is two-time Super Bowl champion Eli Manning, as lovefootball4life pointed out. Joe Theismann won one Super Bowl and lost another. He’s not in the Hall of Fame.
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    Isn’t Google great?

  97. Deb says: Oct 21, 2013 5:17 PM

    @bigbenownsthenfl …

    You must be new. I write and research for a living and wrote mini-dissertations defending Ben’s innocence on the sexual assault allegations–because that’s what the evidence showed.
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    You’re half right.

  98. @Deb. so you are saying get rid of ben? a Qb who is in his prime of his career? and if you got your way who do you put in? your argument is so illogical I cant even fathom it…how is ben a diminishing return? if he wins 1 more super bowl within 3 years is that a diminishing return?

  99. and you are a hero worshipper…you are just like bobzilla you worship the steeler defense.. the worst team in the league for many years at turnovers. and turnovers are essential in winning games..so lebeau is a diminishing return..so we should get rid of him by your bizarre illogical opinion.

  100. You don’t even think about getting rid of Big Ben at this point in his career. The time is not now……Fans who say otherwise do not know what their talking about… The guy is in his prime. You surround him with better offensive players is what you do. I sure wish some of these posters who claim Big Ben needs to go(not calling out any names) could tell us all who his replacement should be. Funny, how we all never hear any responses to that question. Its not like its going to happen anyways.

  101. @steelcurtainn and bigbenownsthenfl

    Another honest question. Of course you don’t do it in 2013 but his contract is up in two years. He’ll be 33 or 34 years old and his 11th or so season in the league. What do you do? Hang on and extend him or look for his replacement in the next two drafts?

  102. @realitycheck …

    You mean you didn’t watch Bradshaw, Staubach, Elway, Favre, Marino, Montana, Peyton, and Brady play? Why would I need Google to know these guys? As for seeing clips of Unitas, that credit goes to NFL Films, and my reading about Slingin’ Sammy predates the Internet. I grew up on the game–didn’t you? Or is it presumptuous to assume you’ve grown up? 🙂

  103. @steelcurtain …

    I’m not necessarily saying we cut ties with Ben at the end of 2013–although we would get significantly more value if we did trade him at the end of this season. And we desperately need the draft picks. As lovefootball4life says, his contract is up in two years, and I don’t expect him to receive an extension unless he drastically changes his game. If that happens, I’ll be happy for him to stay. But he’s shown no sign of changing. He simply cannot continue to bank on outrunning defenses that are getting faster as he gets slower. This is not all about the incompetence of the offensive line. It’s also about the way he chooses to play the game.

    As for who will replace him … do you watch college ball? I’d replace him through the draft. I like McCarron from Alabama because, as a Bama fan, I’m more familiar with him and the Tide plays an offense similar to ours. More important, he’s a disciplined player. He’s not going to throw games away being foolish. He’ll come out this year. If we’re looking down the line, Jameis Winston from FSU is smoking hot right now and expected to be one of the first picks in the 2015 draft. We’re going to have to start looking to the future soon whether we like it or not.

  104. Lovefootball, they need to look for his replacement in the next 2 drafts. Recent history shows it doesn’t need to be a first rounder(Wilson was a third)but it would help the next guy if the young line can get another year or two more experienced so the next guy doesn’t get killed. Assuming Ben doesn’t loose too many steps you extend him 2-3 more years with a relativity balanced cap hit. I know the changing of the guard is soon but right now I don’t think Jones is it. If he was it I say try to deal Ben for draft picks and continue to rebuild(like I said I doubt Jones is the next guy tho). It’s hard to follow the franchise QB, ask Denver, Miami, and Buffalo, but not impossible as Green Bay and San Fran can tell ya.

  105. 1) Last week, I said that we need to climb our way back into contention one game at a time and that still holds true.
    2) There was a lot to be happy about: the running game looked good, the O Line didn’t get Ben killed, and Troy looks like he’s back!!!!

    However, to Bobzilla and Deb: You are complaining about two touchdowns in two weeks when in reality, it was two touchdowns in both games, but Brown dropped one in the endzone against the Jets and Moye dropped one against the Ravens.

    Also, in the Superbowl against Arizona, without Ben moving the team as superbly as he did, or if he didn’t put the ball in Santonio Holmes hand in the only spot that he could have, we lose that game. If he didn’t have the off field issues that he had, he most likely would have (and should have) been the MVP in that game.

    Give Ben the offensive lines that other teams have and he’s probably one of your top four QBs in the league. You should set aside your perceptions of what think he should be, and just look at his accomplishments on the field objectively.

  106. @lovefootball

    Honest question…..Honest Opinion……

    I prefer Big Ben to extend his contract a couple years. He currently is 31 years old and could play at least 3 to 4 more years to 2016 making him 35. You consider his replacement a couple drafts from now. A lot of that will also depend on who is coming out of the draft and where the steelers select…….I only see Landry Jones as a future backup but he is in the developmental stages of being an NFL starting qb, so we will see.

    I believe Big Ben has a few more years left in the tank. In order for him to keep that longevity with the team, the Steelers will need to be effective running the ball and will need a stable line to protect Big Ben. If the offense gets it going, we may just see another superbowl win before Big Ben leaves because we know what the defense can bring on any given sunday. Just my 2 cents.

  107. @lpo320 …

    I didn’t say anything about two touchdowns in three weeks. That’s bob’s schtick. I love smashmouth football–tough defense, rock-’em-sock-’em running game. Could care less if it’s a low-scoring game. Don’t need my QB scoring 5 TDs a game.

    However, I do need the quarterback to follow the offensive game plan. When he throws, I need him to read and release as quickly as possible. That requires preparation–something Roethlisberger does not like to do. As he has said on many occasions, he feels too much preparation will interfere with his spontenaity. In other words, being a student of the game will take away his mojo. That was fine when he was 25 and could outrun and outjuke a defense. He was big, strong, and generally healthy. It’s not fine when he’s 30 and the defenses are 25. He is getting injured more often, fumbling more often, being rushed and throwing incomplete or INTs more often. SBXLIII was four years ago–which is longer than the average career.

    I’ve argued for years that Ben needed better o-lines. But that’s not the whole story. With Ben’s natural gifts, if he’d done half the off-field work Tom Brady does, he’d be the best in the game. He’s the one who hasn’t put in that level of effort.

    You need to set aside your perceptions of what he was and be objective about where he is today and where he is going tomorrow. Football is a hard business. If players forever remained at their peak performance level, Terry Bradshaw would still be our quarterback, and we would not be having this conversation.

  108. Give Ben the offensive lines that other teams have and he’s probably one of your top four QBs in the league.
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    Baaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    QBs better than Pig Pen in no particular order.

    Brady
    Manning
    Manning
    Brees
    Rogers
    Rivers
    Stafford
    Romo
    Dalton
    Ryan
    Flacco
    RGIII
    Palmer
    Smith
    Bradford
    Cutler
    Wilson
    Luck

  109. anyone who thinks flucco is better than ben is remedial. ben throws for more yards more touchdowns less ints better comp % better qbr more sb wins and he does this with a terrible o line. oh ya and ben is 10-4 against the pigeons in his career and 7-2 since the fluke has been in baltimore.
    2-0 in the playoffs too. flucco could not even make it at the university of pittsburgh. he quit because he could not beat out tyler palko, and he went to d2 deleware. Big Ben is a hall of famer and flucco is at best an average game manager.

  110. @deb

    First off, let me say, there is not much I disagree with you about your post. I do agree, a lot of what you post(most of the time). Don’t get all smiley on me now, just kidding. But, We definitely do not cut ties with Big Ben at the end of 2013. We would get more value, true, but the steelers will not do that. Guaranteed! I, Unlike you, DO expect Big Ben to received a couple year extension. You did say, you would be happy if he stays.

    As I have reiterated before, Big Ben is not ALL the problem with this offense. As you stated, He does play a certain way and he will not change. I, as a fan, have no problem the way he plays the game. In some cases, I wish he would get rid of the ball quicker instead of hanging on to it so long. But that’s Bens game, he either eats it for a sack or makes a big play out of nothing. Some are his fault, and on others, the offensive line just needs to give him more time(19 sacks as of last week is way to high). Amazingly, the line is playing much better the last 2 games. Lets hope that continues.

    I do watch college ball and do expect the steelers to draft a qb when the time is right. I am not an avid fan of any college team, ONLY the steelers, although I do like Bama and Nick Saban. I know you are a bama fan from reading some of your post(and you probably would want to kill me for saying this) but I would not want the steelers to draft McCarron. I just believe he is built for the college game and not the NFL. Sorry, my opinion. I have not watched much on Winston…

    We will absolutely have to draft a qb in due time. I just believe the steelers are few years away. Lets just hope, they can cash in on another superbowl title by then.

  111. Realitycheck, don’t be an idiot. Luck and Wilson are good but not proven. Megatron makes stafford the QB he is. Rivers was handed excellent teams and underachieved. Manning is the best regular season QB, but 8 one and fines in the playoffs out of 12 appearances. Eli has 2 rings but he’s been up and down early in his career and this year. Ben can put up better numbers in partial seasons then Flacco has in full seasons. Cutler is overrated, shipped out if town for Orton(who is on his second team after Denver)and has won nothing, came close but no cigar. Romo is highly paid, but costs his team too many games and now his team is in cap hell. No one has more rings or SB appearances(active players) then Ben other then Brady, who’s team is an impressive this year even with the lack of weapons. RG III is looking like a flash in the pan, but we’ll see how his season goes. Rogers and Brees have tremendous talent but only have 1 ring a piece. Palmer couldn’t cut it in Oakland, enough said. Dalton is a 1 and done performer this far, but time will tell on him. Bradford shows no signs of improvement with his annual bad teams. Ben just schooled Smith 2 weeks ago. Ryan is surrounded by talent and came up short. I would put Brady, P Manning, Brees, Rodgers as the top 4, Ryan, Ben and Eli in no particular order in the next tier. RG III, Wilson, Luck, and Kaep are the up and comers.

  112. 1. aaron rodgers
    2. peyton manning
    3. tom brady
    4. drew brees
    5. ben roethlisberger
    6. eli manning
    7. philip rivers
    8. matt ryan
    9. matt stafford
    10. tony romo
    11. alex smith
    12. andrew luck
    13. robert griffin 3
    14. russell wilson
    15. colin kaepernick
    16. sam bradford
    17. joe flucco
    flucco is a middle of othe pack qb. many average qbs have won one sb. doug williams, mark rypien, brad johnson, trent dilfer, joe flacco. come talk to me when flucco wins 2 and beats the steelers in the playoffs, until then ben is by far the best qb in the afc north

  113. find a qb that has won 2 sb and been to another that is not in the hall of fame. ben is not one of the 20 greatest qbs of all time but he is top 30. most likely neither the steelers or ravens will be in the playoffs but the steelers did not just overpay by 60 mil for a qb that will throw more ints than tds. flacco has already cost the ravens one game this year.(vs buffalo). he threw 5 ints in a close game. the ravens would be 4-3 right now without flacco and with lets say alex smith or sam bradford. the steelers have the best front office and best head coach in the division. ben has won as many sbs as the ravens have in their history. also the steelers dont keep murderers on their team(ray lewis) that try to snitch out their friends to save their own sorry ass.

  114. @steelcurtainn …

    I did smile while reading that post 🙂

    It’s tough for me to be so hard on Ben. He aggravates me to death. But I remember well those years of quarterback hell between Terry and Ben. I know what he’s brought to the team and have dreaded returning to that netherworld without a franchise QB. Heck, I just bought our little Steeler fans Roethlisberger jerseys last Christmas!

    But the last couple of years have made me fear it will be worse if we let him linger until there’s nothing left–as we did with so many of the Dynasty players. We’ve got to shake things up.

    And no offense taken on McCarron. I know he’s not Namath or Stabler. But right now, he’s got more rings than losses. I’ll take that 🙂

  115. Roethlisberger still has atleast 3 years left in the tank. when all is said and done he will go down as the greatest steeler qb ever. he has dominated the division in his career, especially the ravens. he is 3-0 vs the division in the playoffs, 1 win vs cincinatti, 2 wins over baltimore. he is 10-4 in his career vs baltimore and he has won 2 out of 3 sb. with how bad the steelers have played this year and they are still in the playoff hunt speaks volumes about mike tomlin, roethlisberger, and the attitude they bring to the steeler organization. the steelers are in much better shape than the ravens for the future.

  116. Deb – I watched Johnny U when he was playing. Yes I am that old. Not old enough for the greatest game ever played but old enough to well remember the 69 and 70 Superbowl.

    Johnny U was the best. If he were in the league today with the rules they have today, he would be throwing for 5000 yards a season and at least 30TDs.

    We had a saying in Bmore about Johnny U. He never lost a game. He just occasionally ran out of time before he could win it.

  117. thebus36 says:Oct 21, 2013 10:35 PM

    also the steelers dont keep murderers on their team
    ———————————————————

    murderers no, a rapist yes………………….

  118. Who would you rather have TODAY.

    Ben or Manning x 2?
    Ben or Brady?
    Ben or Brees?
    Ben or Rogers?
    Ben or Luck?
    Ben or Wilson?
    Ben or Manning x 2?
    Ben or Krapernick?
    Ben or …?

    Quit living in the past.

    Ben is a career 90 QB rated, over hyped, over weight, washed out, never was has been who should be in the grey bar prison.

  119. Realitycheck, yes Ben is getting see but far from the past. QBs go into the late 30’s and so can he. Career 92.6 passer rating is 7 points higher and 63.3 completion % is 3 points higher then your boy Flacco. This season he is completing 66.5 of his passes and Flacco is under 60, and he has overthrown his guys 16% of his incompletions(3rd worst in the nfl) and bens passer rating if 90.2 is almost 12 points higher then Flacco.

  120. @ppdoc13 …

    Hey there! Haven’t seen you for a while. Color me jealous!! Would love to have seen Unitas play. I don’t believe in naming a “best ever” because you can’t compare quarterbacks from different eras. But if forced, I’d have to go with Johnny U! (And of course, we had him and let him go LOL).

    And speaking of what we’ve gotten to see in our lifetimes …

    @thebus36 …

    My heart goes out to you. The only way you could possibly think Ben Roethlisberger will be remembered as “the greatest Steelers quarterback ever” is if you are too young to have seen the Dynasty team of the 1970s. In all my years as a Steelers fan, I’ve owned only one offensive jersey: Number 12. Eight consecutive playoff bids, seven division championships in eight years, six conference championship games in eight years, four conference championship titles in six years, and the only team ever to win four Super Bowls in six years. Bradshaw was twice Super Bowl MVP, honorable mention on the 75th anniversary team, and a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

    Roethlisberger the greatest QB in Steelers history? Bless your heart.

  121. Deb, not saying Ben is better than terry, but Ben went to 4 AFC title games, 3 SB, winning 2, that was in a 7 year span I believe. Ben could ‘ve been the MVP against Arizona. Also back in the 70’s the game was different then it is today, also FA generally stayed with the same team didn’t they(wasn’t born till 82 and wasn’t into football avidly till the mid-90’s)? I do agree, as in all sports you can’t with ease pick the greatest of all eras. Even during Bens era he will be overshadowed by Brady, Brees, P Manning, and Rodgers. Sadly his time is almost done, I just I hope we don’t have to wait another 20 something years for the next guy.

  122. @jmblosser82 …

    Back in those days, it was almost “What’s a free agent?” Even so, the Steelers were rare in that the Dynasty teams were built exclusively from the draft. No, you can’t compare QBs of different eras, and the game was played differently then. But Terry’s life as a Steeler wasn’t the idyll Ben has known. More of the burden for winning was placed on his shoulders–as was more of the blame for losing. Terry had to step up, and he did. Wouldn’t say he’s the most emotionally stable guy in the football universe. But on the field, there are few people I’d rather have leading my team.

    We definitely can agree on one thing. I don’t want to repeat the 21 years between franchise quarterbacks. I still have nightmares about a couple of those guys 😉

  123. Deb. You are correct in that i did not live through the dynasty of bradshaw but i have watched replays of a lot of those games. the reason i believe ben will go down as the best qb in steelers history is because the nfl is today is exponentially harder to play in than in the 70s and 80s. Ben has to deal with a bad o line and bradshaw had a great line. ben has to avoid getting killed by defensive ends that are 290 lbs and run faster than any reciever in bradshaws days and defensive ends in the 70s were 220. also in todays nfl every player in the nfl is an elite level athlete. in the 70s a lot of the backups were complete bums. in superbowl 1 the mvp was a reciever that was pulled out of a bar the night before the game. also ben has gone through 4 coordinators and has lost 3 probowl recievers and terry had 2 hall of fame recievers and a hall of fame rb.

  124. y dosuk. ray lewis was indicted for murder and had to weasel his way out of it by trying to throw his friends under the bus. ben was never indicted for anything. was it the best choice for him to be getting laid at college parties? no. but was it a crime? no. the two guys that ray snitched on got aquitted because the jury saw that ray is a liar. either of the men aquitted could have struck a deal first and snitched out ray but they were not complete pieces of crap and chose to stand by their friend unlike that punk ray lewis.

  125. @Deb –

    while I applaud your knowledge of football, and by your posts almost every other topic in the world, where is it said that Ben has to ‘prepare’ the way you need him to??? As long as his coaches and owners are satisfied with his preparation, who cares what you think?

    My comments about his past performance was in response to naysayers who continuously put down his contributions to his team. In my opinion, and it is only mine, agree or disagree, I believe he still has two or three great years ahead of him if the offensive line of the Steelers can keep him upright. Bradshaw was the beneficiary of a tremendous offensive line (note the inductees into the HOF). Ben has not.

  126. Yes Ravens fans, I see now why you think Oz is such a genius… paying Flacco all that money is SO the right move, it’s now so obvious!!!!

    But just because Flacco did nothing again, and couldn’t get bailed out by some kick return to cover his do-nothingness, don’t blame Joe for the loss! Because like you guys always said, it’s clearly…

    ALL CAM’S FAULT!!!!!!!

  127. @thebus36 …

    And there’s where we bump into the argument about judging players from different eras. But just as Ben has faced obstacles Terry didn’t–Terry faced obstacles Ben didn’t. Ultimately, you have to look at what they did with what they had. My argument would be that Terry worked harder and accomplished more with what he had. But don’t get me wrong–I am tremendously appreciative of what Ben has brought to the team. I’m not looking forward to the Steelers without Big Ben. I’m just looking forward. If we can make the necessary adjustments to ensure productivity with Ben, then I’m good with that. But adjustments have to be made.

    @lpo320 …

    Thanks … I think 🙂

    He doesn’t have to prepare my way. He just needs to prepare in a way that ensures his own longevity. The goal is to keep him safe and healthy as well as keeping the team competitive. What he really needed–both Bettis and Cowher have talked about this–was for the team to be less indulgent of his risky behavior on- and off-field. They needed to rein him in for his own good. He seems to have made improvements in his private life. But playing a little smarter would also keep him healthy and productive longer. And to be honest, I’d rather see that than see him leave.

  128. Another close chapter in the rivalry. Typical Steelers Ravens game, decided by 3 points to the team who had the ball when the clock winded down.

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