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Josh Gordon trade “possible” not “probable”

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Amid a report of multiple teams making trade offers for Brown receiver Josh Gordon (which frankly feels like something that was leaked by the Browns in order to drive up interest and/or price), a league source with knowledge of the dynamics of any deal tells PFT that a trade is “possible” but not “probable.”

Perhaps the better term would be “complicated.”  Apart from Gordon’s actual or perceived football skills, he was suspended for the first two games of the 2013 season, along with a two-game fine.  As we understand it, the two-and-two punishment resulted from negotiations between the NFL and the NFLPA.  While Gordon has said he realizes he’s on his “last chance opportunity,” it’s not known with certainty whether his next violation of the substance-abuse policy would trigger banishment with the ability to apply for reinstatement after one year.

Anyone interested in trading for Gordon would be entitled to get to the truth, which very well could be that Gordon has landed in Stage Three of the substance-abuse program, exposing him to up to 10 random tests per month.  If he’s in Stage Three, any violation — from a positive test, failure to show up on time, or diluted sample — will get him suspended for at least a full year.

The risk of a one-year suspension makes it much harder to value Gordon, but it also should increase the Browns’ willingness to move him.  Team CEO Joe Banner has said that the team has “no intention” of making any further trades and that the Browns aren’t shopping Gordon.  Those answers give him the ability to listen to offers and, possibly, to accept the best one.

The best approach, as explained during Tuesday’s PFT Live and Tuesday night’s edition of Pro Football Talk on NBCSN, could be to offer a package that will change if Gordon gets suspended at any point before the draft next May.

Either way, we’ll know in six days whether the risk of another Gordon suspension will be carried by the Browns, or by someone else.

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51 Responses to “Josh Gordon trade “possible” not “probable””
  1. green41563 says: Oct 23, 2013 8:55 AM

    When a hapless team is looking to unload a cheap, productive 22-year-old player, buyer beware. They probably know something you don’t.

    See Richardson, Trent.

  2. getatmeplease says: Oct 23, 2013 8:59 AM

    “Productive?” I didn’t know averaging less than 4 yards a carry made one “productive”.

  3. doctorrustbelt says: Oct 23, 2013 9:02 AM

    Low character and undependable.

  4. johnnyoclock says: Oct 23, 2013 9:03 AM

    >>Amid a report of multiple teams making trade offers for Brown receiver Josh Gordon (which frankly feels like something that was leaked by the Browns in order to drive up interest and/or price)

    More like amid media dopes who leak something completely untrue just to drive up bragging rights to say they were the first of the untrue thing juuuuuust in case something would in fact come true.

  5. wryly1 says: Oct 23, 2013 9:05 AM

    Gordon is getting the attention because he has top 10 WR talent, but is on a team with no QB – while teams with decent QB’s have big needs at WR. If it weren’t for the fact he’s one slip away from a year suspension, Gordon would have already been traded for at least a RD2 pick plus ___.

  6. mikewhorio says: Oct 23, 2013 9:06 AM

    ====================================
    green41563 says:
    Oct 23, 2013 8:55 AM
    When a hapless team is looking to unload a cheap, productive 22-year-old player, buyer beware. They probably know something you don’t.
    ====================================

    Perhaps…but it IS the Browns.

  7. savocabol1 says: Oct 23, 2013 9:18 AM

    The only people that want a trade to happen is other teams and hack reporters. They will not trade Gordon, they have no intentions of it. This is a fact that most of everyone outside of Cleveland just dont seem to understand.

  8. nologoforme says: Oct 23, 2013 9:20 AM

    If the current regime perceives the value in return to be greater than the value of the player, they will pull the trigger and make a deal. It is a requirement (and obligation) of all GM’s in this town to trade away talent in exchange for a quantity of unknown/unproven talent. Refer to Ron Harper for Danny Ferry and either of the Cliff Lee or CC Sabathia deals for example. Once gone, Gordon will thrive and become the premier WR in the league…guaranteed.

  9. doctorrustbelt says: Oct 23, 2013 9:20 AM

    Weeden would be much better with REAL RECEIVERS who don’t drop so many balls.

    Cleveland receivers are 4th in the NFL in dropped passes.

    Cleveland has 4 receivers in the NFL’s TOP 25 of dropped passes.

  10. oldbyrd says: Oct 23, 2013 9:22 AM

    Stage four and he’s in orbit around the moon.

  11. raiderfanwithclass says: Oct 23, 2013 9:22 AM

    I thought the Browns have a great QB. Not sure why cleveland wont start Campbell. He was great in his 2 years in Oakland

  12. gloomysmitty says: Oct 23, 2013 9:22 AM

    Eagles please get this guy if u have him and djack this offense would be unstoppable they would never be able to double cover djack again the running lanes for shady would be crazy

  13. tannethrill says: Oct 23, 2013 9:24 AM

    I’d imagine the best offer is going to prompt the Browns into keeping him.

  14. machine64red2 says: Oct 23, 2013 9:30 AM

    Get a first….do the trade

  15. thegodshonesttruth says: Oct 23, 2013 9:32 AM

    doctorrustbelt says:
    Oct 23, 2013 9:20 AM
    Weeden would be much better with REAL RECEIVERS who don’t drop so many balls.

    Cleveland receivers are 4th in the NFL in dropped passes.

    Cleveland has 4 receivers in the NFL’s TOP 25 of dropped passes

    That is because most of the passes are thrown behind the receiver, way past the receiver, over their heads or Weeden throws a little flipper thing like the last 2 weeks. I am actually a Weeden supporter but you seen what these receivers can do with a average QB. Weeden just isnt there. I would go as far to say that a lot of times if the ball hits the mark the receiver is so surprised they drop the ball. There’s a lot of pressure on Weeden and all the media I’m sure doesn’t make it any easier.

  16. 4512dawg4512 says: Oct 23, 2013 9:33 AM

    doctorrustbelt says:
    Oct 23, 2013 9:20 AM
    Weeden would be much better with REAL RECEIVERS who don’t drop so many balls.

    Cleveland receivers are 4th in the NFL in dropped passes.

    Cleveland has 4 receivers in the NFL’s TOP 25 of dropped passes.

    ==========================================================

    Finally! Someone else see’s it! Weeden is actually a very good QB he just has nobody to throw it to and when he does who knows if they’re gonna catch it. And he gets all the blame, thats got to be frustrating. a beat up O-line and no running game doesn’t help him much either

  17. takemytalentstosoutheuclid says: Oct 23, 2013 9:35 AM

    doctorrustbelt says: Oct 23, 2013 9:20 AM

    Weeden would be much better with REAL RECEIVERS who don’t drop so many balls.

    Cleveland receivers are 4th in the NFL in dropped passes.

    Cleveland has 4 receivers in the NFL’s TOP 25 of dropped passes.

    Weeden would be much better selling happy meals. He is not an NFL QB. Wouldn’t matter if he had Jerry Rice and Randy Moss catching passes from him. The Browns are 4th in dropped passes BECAUSE Weeden has no touch on his throws. have you watched him play? Last week against the Packers, I saw three drops that were attempts at screen passes, but Weeds throws them 100 miles an hour. This professional game is just too much for him mentally. Big guy, big arm, just doesn’t have the ability to handle the complexities and speed. As I’ve said repeatedly over the years. Give me a QB with a high IQ over one with purely physical skills. Why do you think Hoyer had so much success in his few games this year? How was Bernie Kosar able to take this team to 3 AFC title games? Granted, ideally you want both the physical and intellectual tools, but given the choice of one or the other, go for brains.

  18. jerruhjones says: Oct 23, 2013 9:36 AM

    doctorrustbelt says:
    Oct 23, 2013 9:20 AM
    Weeden would be much better with REAL RECEIVERS who don’t drop so many balls.
    ===================================

    Receivers would be much better with a REAL QB.

    Greg ‘Stone Hands’ Little drops passes. I blame the rest on bad throws by Wee-done.

  19. raiderufan says: Oct 23, 2013 9:36 AM

    He’d look great in Silver and Black.

  20. doctorrustbelt says: Oct 23, 2013 9:37 AM

    I don’t like Josh Gordon as a #1 wide receiver… but… I’d like to see “my” team pay his $1,456,604 salary in 2014 to be the team’s #3 wide receiver.

  21. brownoholic says: Oct 23, 2013 9:38 AM

    People defending Weeden,

    Check your meds!

  22. serkeljerks says: Oct 23, 2013 9:38 AM

    You can safely assume the #49ers are out of the running for any flirtations that may have occurred. With Jacksonville this week and a following bye-week with a Crabtree and Manningham return I think Balke is going to take his chances on “actual health” rather than on a players “hopeful” mental and social health.

    That being said……….wow Trent Richardson is **really** looking like quite the B-U-S-T who pulled one over on the Colts. Kudos to the Browns on that move!

  23. timmmah10 says: Oct 23, 2013 9:41 AM

    Wow… the bleeding heart Weeden lovers not realizing that the drops have to do with him not leading receivers, throwing the ball early/late, etc. Now, he’s not 100% the problem, because a good receiver can still make a bad QB look good, but he has his warts.

    I would take many back up QBs in this league over Weeden.

  24. 6ball says: Oct 23, 2013 9:42 AM

    .

    Don’t look now, but the Browns already have 2 picks in Rounds 1, 3, and 4. Most agree that this upcoming draft will have a good crop of available talent.

    .

  25. thefirstsmilergrogan says: Oct 23, 2013 9:47 AM

    to the fans in cleveland who are sure they won’t make a deal, you haven’t known joe banner long enough. if the value he gets is worth it, as judged by him and lombardi, the kid is gone in a minute.

    i’m pretty sure they figured out, as did most of you, that when hoyer went down, the chances of resurrecting the season did as well. i don’t think however that other teams will offer enough for gordon (due to both on-field and off-field concerns) to make it worth while for the browns to move him.

    and to the guy who thinks they’ll do the wrong thing just because its a cleveland team, i feel your pain. when i was a kid, the philly teams were all in a swoon… i do think banner will work the business side well and allow his football people the cap space and financial blueprint to build a team.

    whether the football men can evaluate the talent and use the picks gained in deals with other clubs to get better players is less clear to me. not sure replacing heckert with lombardi is much of a difference, nor the switch in head coaches…

  26. 23rdusernameused says: Oct 23, 2013 9:49 AM

    weedon sucks, bad!! AND he’s almost 30!! what a wasted draft pick!
    Are we sure Holmgren isn’t still calling the shots?!!

  27. thekiy says: Oct 23, 2013 9:50 AM

    Come to the Lions for LeShoure and a conditional 3rd/4th. Our defense is not getting any better so let’s plan on scoring 40+ a game.

  28. peytonsneck18 says: Oct 23, 2013 9:55 AM

    Luck would turn him.into a superstar in this league

  29. torethatbridgeout says: Oct 23, 2013 9:59 AM

    nologoforme says:Oct 23, 2013 9:20 AM

    If the current regime perceives the value in return to be greater than the value of the player, they will pull the trigger and make a deal. It is a requirement (and obligation) of all GM’s in this town to trade away talent in exchange for a quantity of unknown/unproven talent. Refer to Ron Harper for Danny Ferry and either of the Cliff Lee or CC Sabathia deals for example. Once gone, Gordon will thrive and become the premier WR in the league…guaranteed.

    **********************************************
    Respectfully, I disagree. Harper was allegedly dating Gordon Gund’s daughter; Embry was ordered to trade him and in return got Ferry, who was supposed to be the 2nd coming of Larry Bird. Fault him for misjudging Ferry’s talent, not the trade.
    Sabathia was gone, and everyone knew it. It’s the economics of baseball – he was leaving and the Indians weren’t going anywhere. And yes, in baseball you trade a proven commodity for an unproven one…or three. Poor talent evaluation (again) makes this trade stand out, but the fact was it had to be done or they would have gotten nothing.
    Lee – similar to Sabathia, but a year too early. I’ll give you that one.

  30. brownmud says: Oct 23, 2013 10:01 AM

    Anyone defending Weeden must not be watching the games. Please go back and watch the Packers game, as one example. Although the receivers had a few drops, Weeden was absolutely terrible. Very difficult to watch that game.

  31. multiplemiggs says: Oct 23, 2013 10:02 AM

    What a disgrace of a franchise. This garbage team will be full of young talent for all of us real teams to take from them within the next few years. Then they can once again pack up and move to another crime ridden city like the last one.

  32. realkelevra says: Oct 23, 2013 10:09 AM

    The Browns should be dropping a fat stack of cash on Cris Carter’s lap to mentor and keep this kid out of trouble. The hall of famer with drug problems early in his career might just be able to get through to this kid, the rewards of being clean and going down in history as one of the best ever at the position.

  33. mrjackson206 says: Oct 23, 2013 10:11 AM

    He will end up on the Niners & it will be next Monday or Tuesday that it will happen. AFTER KC is 8-0, which turns the Alex Smith 3rd rounder into a 2nd rounder. It’ll be LaMichael James & a 2nd rounder for Gordon. If KC wants the pot sweetened it’ll be both of those 2nd rounders to go a long with LaMichael James.

    Basically if you like the Niners root for KC this weekend so that the deal can happen. Niners don’t need LaMichael James. They have plenty of depth at RB with Lattimore on the way next year as well. If the Niners get Gordon they’ll be even more loaded once Crabtree & Manningham are back.

  34. doctorrustbelt says: Oct 23, 2013 10:12 AM

    To all the Cleveland fans who give a free pass to mediocre and below average receivers and blame it all on Weeden…. I (as of now) am going to enjoy seeing your team flounder around for another decade*

    *To the 5% of Cleveland fans who actually have football knowledge…. I apologize.

  35. browns627 says: Oct 23, 2013 10:13 AM

    breaking out my rosary and praying for the gordon for cousins trade..go browns ;-)

  36. oldbrowndawg says: Oct 23, 2013 10:15 AM

    Rumors are that two teams have offered at least a 2nd round 2014 pick AND a player for Gordon. As y’all surely know, NFL teams are built through the draft. The hapless Browns have wasted the following high picks over the past four years alone:

    2009 — Mangini blew THREE 2nd round picks on David Vekune (out of football now); Brian Robiskie (now a backup, bottom of the roster WR with Atlanta thanks to his daddy who’s the WR coach there); and Mohammed Massaquoi — hanging on to about the 52nd roster spot on some NFL team by the tips of his fingernails.

    2012 — #3 overall Trent Richardson (a bust who’s now Indy’s problem); #22 overall Brandon We-Done (aka “Flipper”) who is embarrassing himself and his teammates more and more with each passing week and will end up on some NFL roster next year as the next Derek Anderson — a failed Cleveland QB with a rocket arm and ZERO ability to read defenses or react in less than 10 seconds and a permanent pine rider.

    Whenever a team does this on a routine basis, they WILL be bottom dwellers until and unless they get real pros evaluating and drafting genuine talent. Mangini and Holmgren both sucked as talent evaluators. Maybe Mike Lombardi (who was called “very smart” by Bill Belichik) can get it done. He has 7 picks in the top 4 rounds next year. We play, we see. At least he was smart enough last year right after the draft to have said on NFL Network that the Browns’ two first rounders were subpar.

  37. doctorrustbelt says: Oct 23, 2013 10:15 AM

    What team has 1 rushing touchdown for the season???

    ANSWER: The 22nd ranked RUSH Offense in the NFL Cleveland Browns

  38. godofwine330 says: Oct 23, 2013 10:18 AM

    I would let him go for a 1st and a 4th to a playoff team (which is a low #1 & #4), but I wouldn’t let him go for less than that. If we did, we would have zero talent at WR.

  39. seatownballers says: Oct 23, 2013 10:19 AM

    Weedon does suck. He’s not first round talent at all.
    Gordon has much potential, but I can’t see a team giving up more then a second rounder for him. And Trent Richardson is not a bust. He’s just a typical third or fourth round talent that capitalized on draft day.
    Don’t the browns need more draft picks next year. They are just seeing if any team will offer multiple picks.

  40. citiciti says: Oct 23, 2013 10:25 AM

    Smoke=Fire… Please trade Little also if possible.

  41. bluffing024 says: Oct 23, 2013 10:27 AM

    He’s only worth a 3rd rounder TOPS. Possibly with a conditional late rounder.

    For those saying he has top 5 or 1 0 talent, what are you thinking? A receivers most important attribute is HANDS, and he doesn’t have them. You can be a perfect route runner, or super fast, or be super physically dominant all don’t mean ANYTHING if you can’t catch the ball.

  42. fwippel says: Oct 23, 2013 10:29 AM

    Damn! I was hoping this was “Josh Freeman trade probable, not possible”.

  43. harrisbarton says: Oct 23, 2013 10:36 AM

    Ship him to the Niners for LaMichael James and a third-rounder (of which they have two).

  44. audient says: Oct 23, 2013 11:02 AM

    I wonder if he’ll catch better with Jason Campbell throwing to him.

  45. geefan1 says: Oct 23, 2013 12:50 PM

    doctorrustbelt says:
    Oct 23, 2013 9:20 AM
    Weeden would be much better with REAL RECEIVERS who don’t drop so many balls.

    ——

    This wasn’t a problem when Hoyer was the one throwing them.

  46. barkymingo says: Oct 23, 2013 1:18 PM

    I have no idea why doctorrustbelt is trolling on all Browns posts. He sure can spit stats but apparently hasn’t actually watched a Browns game. Weeden puts the same velocity on the ball if its a screen or a 15 yard in route. This makes it very difficult to catch a ball. Everything I’ve ever read about QB rankings in the NFL has Weeden close if not at the bottom of the bucket. He’s not an NFL QB and can’t read a defense. The only thing that scares me about Gordon is the fact that he could get suspended at anytime and looks completely uninterested on some plays. Hopefully that changes when we find ourselves a decent QB in the draft come April.

  47. gloomysmitty says: Oct 23, 2013 1:20 PM

    Nick foles and 3rd pick got him or Bryce brown and a 3rd pick

  48. gloomysmitty says: Oct 23, 2013 1:50 PM

    The browns might have two 1st rd picks but the browns are at least gonna win 3-5 more games this year and colts are gonna be in the playoffs so both of those picks are gonna be low and every team that drafting in top 10 most of them need qb so I can’t see any of them trading back to take two low 1st picks

  49. howiehandles says: Oct 23, 2013 1:54 PM

    No one is paying much for potential along with his history.

  50. jaredl77 says: Oct 23, 2013 2:05 PM

    Weeden has been the worst qb in all of the NFL all season long. There is no defense of his play.

    Two strikes or not Josh Gordon gives the Cleveland Browns offense a player with the potential to be a bonafied elite wr, and for that reason a team is going to have blow them away if they have a serious desire in trading for him.

    Let me be clear the Browns are interested in a first round draft pick, not in another team’s backup or complimentary players or draft picks. If that opportunity doesn’t come around than you move on and you hope he matures and “figures it out”.

  51. dfrance17 says: Oct 24, 2013 3:33 PM

    And by the way, why don’t you look at who Brandon Weeden had to throw the ball to in college? I’d take Tom Brady’s backup over him any day of the week. Excuses are like Browns fans….sad and plentiful.

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