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Raiders escape with 21-18 win over Steelers

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The Steelers had shown signs of getting things back together during their recent two-game win streak.

But any momentum they might have built was lost Sunday, in a ridiculous 21-18 loss at Oakland.

The amazing part might have been that the Raiders were able to hang onto an early lead for the win to improve to 3-4, despite a three-turnover day from their own offense.

Even though he took the opening snap for a 93-yard touchdown (setting an NFL record for a quarterback), Terrelle Pryor was kind of a mess otherwise.

He was 10-of-19 passing for 87 yards and two interceptions, a sparkling passer rating of 25.4.

He benefited from a solid day by his defense and the fact the Steelers were worse for most of the day. They can’t run (35 yards), and the passing game isn’t much sharper, which will only intensify the existing pressure on quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and offensive coordinator Todd Haley.

Because for all the talk about their relationship and whether it works, the Steelers aren’t working for a lot of reasons.

Injuries scrambled their offensive line again (including a concussion for left guard Ramon Foster), and that unit wasn’t good to begin with. Normally reliable kicker Shaun Suisham also missed two field goals, but there were plenty of missed opportunities along the way.

With a 2-5 record and a long flight home to think about it, the same is true of the Steelers’ season as a whole.

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146 Responses to “Raiders escape with 21-18 win over Steelers”
  1. steelersaregodsteam says: Oct 27, 2013 7:36 PM

    That was the most obviously rigged game we have ever seen! It is clear that our road to the Super Bowl will go through the Goodell and his goons.

  2. ern215 says: Oct 27, 2013 7:37 PM

    just glad we got the win

  3. nuclearwarfare says: Oct 27, 2013 7:38 PM

    Raiders fans shouldnt get excited. I mean, lets be real, it was only the Steelers.

    Darin, you truly are the worst.

  4. loyalraven says: Oct 27, 2013 7:38 PM

    Here we go Steel-ers, here we go!!

    Oh wait…

  5. Joemontanaflacco says: Oct 27, 2013 7:39 PM

    To all the fans who gloated over last week’s loss by the Ravens:
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  6. jmblosser82 says: Oct 27, 2013 7:39 PM

    Congrats raider nation. Stink eye to suisham and the steeler run defense.

  7. 700levelvet says: Oct 27, 2013 7:40 PM

    Bad players and bad coaching usually doesn’t get the job done… But, I’m sure the excuses will be plenty…

  8. jjackwagon says: Oct 27, 2013 7:41 PM

    Two teams going no where fast.

  9. Steeler's Didn't-but-Will-eventually says: Oct 27, 2013 7:42 PM

    Congrats to the Raidah fans, the better team won.

  10. demolition510 says: Oct 27, 2013 7:42 PM

    Ugly wins still count in the win column. Lets clean it up Raiders. Better execution and smarter playcalling. Know your situational football!

  11. harrisonhits2 says: Oct 27, 2013 7:42 PM

    Love the photo of Ben knocked on his rear end lol

  12. quittsburghstoolers says: Oct 27, 2013 7:43 PM

    After losing this game the next important date for Steeler fans to circle on their calendars is May 8th.

    That’s the first day of the 2014 NFL Draft….

  13. classyjacklambert says: Oct 27, 2013 7:44 PM

    Congrats Raiders. You guys got a lot of talent.

  14. citizenstrange says: Oct 27, 2013 7:44 PM

    Last season Roethlisberger could not get one single win when the Steeler defense gave up over 17 points. Same thing this season.

    Roethlisberger can sometimes get garbage time yards and garbage points against prevent defenses that make blowout games seem a little closer than they really are but unless the Steeler defense picks him up can carries him on its back he cannot win a game.

    No playoffs for the Steelers until they get a quarterback who can actually win a game instead of just being dragged across the finish line by the Steeler defense.

  15. crownofthehelmet says: Oct 27, 2013 7:46 PM

    Good game Raiders. Steelers likely weren’t ready, after playing such a Sally last week.

  16. melikefootball says: Oct 27, 2013 7:46 PM

    This game in our area was a laugher. The officials spent more time under the tent than on the field. Oakland should not get to excited they played a poorly coached Steelers that took more time off the clock and not score, that they are adding to the record book. Rooney’s you have a coach that is a sugar and spice post game man coaching a team, the worst in 45 years for Pittsburgh.

  17. Stiller43 says: Oct 27, 2013 7:47 PM

    An embarassing effort all around.

    A terrible year may be just what the steelers need. Cut some of the aging (or aged) vets, get high draft picks, come back strong in another year or two.

  18. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Oct 27, 2013 7:48 PM

    Once again, I eagerly await reading those insightful posts from what seems like a handful of Steelers fans—or should I say trolls?—who routinely squat on Patriots-related PFT discussion threads while explaining how bad New England “sucks” this year. Using that logic, I’d say today the Steelers thoroughly dominated that NFL powerhouse known as the Oakland Raiders.

  19. octom says: Oct 27, 2013 7:49 PM

    Not God’s team anymore ……..

  20. wojowbk says: Oct 27, 2013 7:50 PM

    That was the most obviously rigged game we have ever seen! It is clear that our road to the Super Bowl will go through the Goodell and his goons.
    ————————————–

    That’s funny, a Steelers fan complaining that the Raiders got preferential treatment from the officials. The Steelers got a free first down to score with 2 minutes left after Big Ben threw that dumb interception.

    The other penalty on Mike Jenkins was such a joke the refs called it, realized their mistake and carried on as if it never happened without a mention that they overturned it.

    The Raiders simply out-Steelered the Steelers. Their front seven brought the house and they did a great, physical job in the run game. Stop whining, you cry baby.

  21. kremis says: Oct 27, 2013 7:51 PM

    2-5 Steelers hahahahahahahahaha

  22. r8dernation says: Oct 27, 2013 7:51 PM

    Escaped? Shoot, we shut down our offense in the 2nd half to make it sporting. And the Steelers still couldn’t do it, HAHA.

  23. Deb says: Oct 27, 2013 7:51 PM

    Congratulations to Raider Nation on a great win! At least we made a game of it in the end :)

  24. v16009 says: Oct 27, 2013 7:53 PM

    GO HAWKS !

  25. raiderrob21 says: Oct 27, 2013 7:54 PM

    Much needed win. Young team, STILL waiting for the O-line to get healthy. Nice to see Wiz come back this week. This young team needs learn how to finish the opponent. Up 21-3, this game should have been a blowout. We will take it, improve each week, and cant wait to spend that $55+ Mill next offseason to improve the roster. JUST WIN BABY!!!!

    RAIDER NATION!!!!!!!

  26. steelersaregodsteam says: Oct 27, 2013 7:55 PM

    LOL @ all the haters!

    The greatest franchise in league history: 1970s Steelers.

    Most prestigious organization in all of sports.

    You hate because you are JEALOUS

  27. stoolerz says: Oct 27, 2013 7:57 PM

    Steelers, thank you for posting. The thought of you at home crying to your mom that the refs caused the Steelers to lose will keep a smile on my face for the next week.

  28. slick50ks says: Oct 27, 2013 7:57 PM

    You know your season has fallen off a cliff when you lose to a team as bad as the fade.

    Rebuilding time in the Burg, without Todd freaking Haley.

  29. steelersaregodsteam says: Oct 27, 2013 7:59 PM

    All the haters come out of their holes when we lose and are no where to be found when we win.

    Be here next week after we win.

    10-2 continues.

  30. tedmurph says: Oct 27, 2013 7:59 PM

    Tough loss, now the Steelers lose the tie-breaker for the 15th seed in the AFC.

  31. jmblosser82 says: Oct 27, 2013 8:01 PM

    Did you even watch the game citizen? Suisham missed 2 chip shots and the raiders were still playing man to man late. The steeler run defense game was horrible, the run game once again horrible, pass protection bad, I think 3 linemen went out with injuries. Steers still gave it a good try. 1 of Ben’s INT was his fault and also a nice play by Jenkins, his second was a fluke right place right time(great reactions too)off of Browns hands. This lose is not all on Ben, plenty of blame to go around.

    JMF, why are you laughing, you beloved team got beat by the steelers last week and looking at the stats your $120 million dollar idol was once again pathetic. Face it Oz overpaid the guy.

    Again congrats on the win Raider nation.

  32. scoobies05 says: Oct 27, 2013 8:02 PM

    wow crown…lame excuse even for you. well done raiders. wish my ravens could have gotten the job down last week. as for the joke poster…its not the 70s anymore

  33. vegasgreek says: Oct 27, 2013 8:06 PM

    Wrong the greatest franchise is the 1960’s Packers 5 titles in 7 yrs . Franco Harris NEVER CAUGHT that pass. The Yankees and the Packers are the most prestigious pro teams . It’s not even close. PACKERS BEAT PITTSBURGH IN SB XLV 31-25 YOU’RE ON THE CRACK PIPE.

  34. koenig61 says: Oct 27, 2013 8:09 PM

    The steelers are missing a leader on the fiel and in the club house. And I’m not talking about coaching. Troy leads by gjample, but you need that guy who leads vocally. Losing Hines hurt this team leadership wise. Losing pounceys and footes leadership hurts as well. Enough blame to go around today. Woodley didn’t stay home on first play, pryors sacked if he does. Ryan is lone defender playing deep, and he bites on pryors fake and comes up 15 yards, once Pryor breaks scrimmage line, play is over. Defense played skittish after that, worried about being beaten by Pryor, they played flat footed. Only Troy played attacking style of defense. O line I almost have to give them a pass as two more starters went down (starters who are back ups by the way). Poulsan very soft blocking on punt block. Brown dropping passes, questionable replay call on punt where illegal touching was called. Normally reliable Suisham missing 2 chip shot FGs. Defense played tough second half, causing turnovers and holding raiders scoreless, but team cannot continue to allow other team to get such a big lead, and handcuff the offensive play calling. There’s not much the offense can do when yo have that many back ups starting. Ben made some questionable decisions, and a few passes behind receivers, but as usual he made plays than only he can make. Can’t really blame Haley’s play calling too much. Defenders are in the back field most of the game, and you’re playing from 18 down, cuts down on what you can call from the play book. I see small improvements with decastro and Adams, but it’s going to be a while before these guys are ready. All in all the team despite playing like garbage so much of the game, they lose by 3. I hate the losses, but I’d take this franchise over any other. There are at least 26-28 teams that would love to have the success the steelers have had in the last 40 years.

  35. andyreidisabeachedwalrus says: Oct 27, 2013 8:11 PM

    Apparently you can’t point out that the giant Steelers troll changed his username again??

    Dunno why.

  36. farvite says: Oct 27, 2013 8:12 PM

    The greatest franchise in league history: Lombardi’s Packers

    5 Titles in a decade, only team to three-peat

    .. Well the only franchise to three-peat, having done so twice.

  37. citizenstrange says: Oct 27, 2013 8:13 PM

    Will Tomlin still be smugly crowing about how fantastic Bell is? I wonder what color the sky is in Tomlin’s world? I also wonder how many seasons in a row without a playoff win before Tomlin is on the hot seat? This is three and counting. Will it be four? Five? 10?

  38. 8man says: Oct 27, 2013 8:16 PM

    Dear steelersaregodsteam .

    That whooshing you hear is your season spinning down the bowl.

    Stoolers. Flushed.

  39. dcapettini says: Oct 27, 2013 8:19 PM

    You know it is a great week when the Steelers, the Washington franchise, the Cowboys and the Falcons all lose and it is particularly delicious when they lost because of poor QB play.

    What is it about Steeler fans that they have a problem with capital letters and the fact that no one cares about 40 years ago. What have you done lately? Not much, it seems.

  40. cwk22 says: Oct 27, 2013 8:21 PM

    steelersaregodsteam = logicalvoices of the redskins and thegreatgabbert of the Jags. They have to be related.

  41. themediaisdumberthandirt says: Oct 27, 2013 8:25 PM

    The Raiders offense is still trying to find their stride but the defense played great in this game. The only thing they really gave up was garbage time and the TD when Ford fumbled on the 11. Not going to hate on the Steelers, but Haley should not have a job in the NFL and Steelers fans on this board (some at least) are extremely annoying. We beat you last time in Pitt as well so give some props.

  42. tedmurph says: Oct 27, 2013 8:27 PM

    The Packers are a great and storied franchise, and dominated their old NFL eras at different times, as did other teams like the Bears, but to compare all their Championships to post merger Super Bowls is disingenuous. In the old NFL you just had to win your division and win one playoff game to win the Championship. Two of the four SBs they won were pre-merger, while the AFL was still in catch up mode. Apples and oranges.

    The Montreal Canadiens are the only franchise that can rival the Yankees in historical dominance.

  43. crownofthehelmet says: Oct 27, 2013 8:29 PM

    Not an excuse scoobs, just a shout out to jmf. Somehow I just knew he’d be on this thread. But as long as we’re talking about it, if the Ravens played the Raiders today, it would have been 21-3. You know, cause the Steelers are better than the Ravens this year. That was proven last week.

  44. steelersfanfromtheseventies says: Oct 27, 2013 8:30 PM

    Con grats raiders on a nice win you deserved it. Good luck with the rest of your season.

  45. noburghfan says: Oct 27, 2013 8:32 PM

    What else can i say , the ‘ burgh sucks !! live with it !!

  46. jmblosser82 says: Oct 27, 2013 8:32 PM

    dcap, 3 SB trips with 2 wins in the past 10 years. Tell me who and what you team has done lately. Steelers are down but they will return with a vengeance.

  47. therolandobottom says: Oct 27, 2013 8:37 PM

    This win felt more like a loss given how the Raiders folded up the tents in the second half. Pryor is regressing, which is not good. On another note props to the Steeler fans for the class they showed today in defeat. # Raider Nation

  48. mgflolox says: Oct 27, 2013 8:38 PM

    @nuclearwarfare
    That’s just about what I said after the SD game. So far the Raiders have beaten JustJacksonville, JustSanDiego, and JustPittsburgh. Hell, maybe someday they will once again win JustTheSuperBowl.

  49. skolvikesskol says: Oct 27, 2013 8:42 PM

    I can’t believe how all these fans treat good qbs. Romo, Big Ben, Eli, please come minnesota and u will b treated like a god.

  50. Deb says: Oct 27, 2013 8:46 PM

    tedmurph says:

    Tough loss, now the Steelers lose the tie-breaker for the 15th seed in the AFC.
    ————————————————–
    It won’t matter how far down the Steelers place in the AFC, ted. On Super Bowl Sunday, your Patriots will be in exactly the same place as our guys: watching the game on television.

    Run along now, little troll. I’ve tried to deal with you as though you’re an adult. But I’m sure some burly drunken Pats women were kicking Dolphins fans in the head at the stadium today. And if anyone dares to say there’s no excuse for punching a woman but the law should take its course, you’ll want to be there to rant about how they’re blaming women victims. Apparently Patriot women should get a pass for ganging up to kick men in the head.

    I’m a longtime women’s rights advocate who argues on the evidence. You can’t understand that because you are a Patriots apologist that assumes everyone else thinks like you do. How sad.

  51. footballfan01 says: Oct 27, 2013 8:48 PM

    Congrats to the Raiders and their fans.

  52. scoobies05 says: Oct 27, 2013 8:49 PM

    and yet somehow my man the ravens have a better record.

  53. hendeeze says: Oct 27, 2013 8:51 PM

    Steeler fans: Wow you lost to the Raiders

    Raider fans, You’re still the Raiders. 3 wins just makes you the best of the worst.

  54. jmblosser82 says: Oct 27, 2013 8:51 PM

    Skol, people hate Ben because if what he’s been accused of, also because if his 3 SB trips. Eli is down this year but far from his teams worst problem. He also struggled early in his career. People hate on Romo because he chokes more then he is clutch. His new contract doesn’t help the teams cap hell next year and his team consistently underachieves.

    Honestly if I were a Colts/Broncos fan I’d hate on Manning, 8 one and done playoff runs and only 1 ring to show for that powerhouse offenses he controlled during his career.

  55. jrs45 says: Oct 27, 2013 8:54 PM

    Stealers lmao!

  56. tedmurph says: Oct 27, 2013 8:58 PM

    aspire, sorry

  57. crownofthehelmet says: Oct 27, 2013 9:00 PM

    good point.

  58. stoogy says: Oct 27, 2013 9:03 PM

    Ben 1-5 vs the raiders all time! I hope they keep him a few more years! Raiders need to learn to keep the throttle down the whole game though! Start fast finish strong!

  59. wtfpft says: Oct 27, 2013 9:03 PM

    “in a ridiculous 21-18 loss at Oakland.”

    Ridiculous how? To delusional steelers fans, maybe. Raiders owned them.

  60. MyTeamsAllStink says: Oct 27, 2013 9:12 PM

    the Raiders play a poor mans version of Marty ball in every game they play.It’s getting ridiculous

  61. steel2372 says: Oct 27, 2013 9:13 PM

    r8dernation says: Oct 27, 2013 7:51 PM

    Escaped? Shoot, we shut down our offense in the 2nd half to make it sporting. And the Steelers still couldn’t do it, HAHA.
    ————————————————–

    I dont know why you are laughing neither team looked that good at all. Steelers did make it a game in the end. Too little too late. We had you on the ropes though.

  62. 6ball says: Oct 27, 2013 9:16 PM

    .

    The Steelers need an infusion of roster talent. They don’t excel in any phase of the game..
    ..

  63. jacktheraven says: Oct 27, 2013 9:19 PM

    Oh well, we had 20 days of hope. steelers will be OK. That’s it, just OK.

  64. slickdadick11 says: Oct 27, 2013 9:20 PM

    Da steelers can’t beat da Jags!!! Lmao. Them boys R BUMS!!! 2 those steelers fans, it’s never 2 late 2 be a RAIDER! Lol .

  65. Deb says: Oct 27, 2013 9:21 PM

    Not a rant, ted, and you know it. A perfectly calm response to your bizarre comment that “Deb’s MO is: it’s always the woman’s fault” just because I said the women kicking that man in the head “endangered everyone around them by acting like lunatics and deserve whatever punishment the law hands out” on the article about last week’s Pats/Jets brawl. I stated plainly there was no excuse for a man to punch a woman. But you just attacked for no reason.

    I saw that comment after the thread had closed, and your post tonight reinforced that some people come to PFT to talk football, but a troll … is a troll.

  66. nativeraider says: Oct 27, 2013 9:22 PM

    Back to the game. The play calling needs to get better. Whenever were up we go all conservative (vs Redskins) and let teams back into games. We need to stay aggressive and take the baby gloves off of Pryor.

  67. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 27, 2013 9:27 PM

    I shall sum up the Steelers with one word: UNPREPARED.
    Any team that needs to search for players in midseason and loses to the likes of the Vikings and Raiders, that team is poorly coached.
    As for Pryor: He’s a reckless version of Kordell Stewart. Pryor would make a nice “Slash.” But beyond that, he’s no NFL quarterback.
    Finally, I get a big kick out of the Roethlisberger Apologists/Obsessive who insist upon defending a QB who is on pace to throw 17 TD passes this season.
    Susiham entered the game having made 14 of 14 FG attempts. Yet he ranked well below the league’s scoring leaders. Why? Because he had attempted only NINE extra-point kicks in six games.
    Here’s an idea: Let’s just blame Haley.

  68. joerevs300 says: Oct 27, 2013 9:39 PM

    You can sum up the Steelers season pretty much from 2 things in this game:

    #1: A defense that has been near or at the top in the NFL for several straight years completely buying a play-fake and allowing Terrell Pryor to do his best Ohio State/Madden turbo button imitation to the tune of 93 yards, after the Raiders took a penalty on the opening kickoff that backed them up against their own goal line.

    #2: An offensive line that has been OFFENSIVE for many, many years now, something the Steelers managed to overcome and survive, losing THREE more guys to injuries. I don’t care how deep you think your team is, you aren’t running efficiently or effectively with backups and guys you sign off the street.

    All the credit to the Raiders, they took the opportunities they got handed and made the most of them, while the Steelers, who go handed 3 turnovers, did nothing but finish the implosion of their season.

    They will certainly fall to 2-6 next week unless they knock Tom Brady out of the game (they’ve never won in NE), and they have earned exactly what they’ve deserved this season.

    I think Warren Sapp was just a couple years off with his “old and slow” comment.

  69. jmblosser82 says: Oct 27, 2013 9:48 PM

    Bob, cool it in Ben, done if his passes are off target, but he is not to blame for dropped passes, RBs who struggle to get even 3 ypc. This game would be a win if suisham(who has slumped in the past)didn’t miss the mid-30 yard FGs. It’s easy to be an armchair QB, but Ben isn’t in the top 5 for problems on this team. Defense is playing well but they are getting gashed weekly(other then the raven game)on the ground. The line, once again plagued by injuries can not block. The RBs are very inconsistent, struggling to get 3 ypc. Receivers are doing a decent job but too many key time drops. As bad of a TD pace Ben is on, it’s not all on him.

  70. Deb says: Oct 27, 2013 9:48 PM

    @dcappetini …

    What have the Steelers done lately? Three AFC Championships and two Super Bowl titles within the last eight years. That doesn’t change today’s misery, but let’s not pretend the good stuff is ancient history.

    @bob …

    Maybe Suisham was jet-lagged ;) But I’m still stuck on the pass down the middle with about 20 seconds on the clock and no timeouts 8O

  71. agentzero321 says: Oct 27, 2013 9:54 PM

    Pryor plays like that and is a starter, but people pile on Tebow and he can’t get a job as a BACKUP? smh

  72. scoobies05 says: Oct 27, 2013 10:07 PM

    thanks bro. in all sincerity i hope the season gets better for you

  73. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 27, 2013 10:17 PM

    blosser:
    Not me, not you, not anyone knows how the game would’ve played out had Suisham made those two FGs. It’s quite possible the Raiders wouldn’t have stopped playing aggressively on offense (which they did) if had. The “what if” game is for losers. I refuse to go there. It was what it was.
    Tomlin is a terrible coach.
    Roethlisberger is an overrated QB.
    Our defense can no longer hide an offense that’s been average to awful for years.
    And out O-line is battered and bruised with no depth, which falls back on Tomlin’s horrific personnel skills.

    Deb:
    I had to chuckle when the play-by-play guy said a few times that the Steelers looked tired.

  74. raiderapologist says: Oct 27, 2013 10:21 PM

    steelersaregodsteam says: Oct 27, 2013 7:55 PM

    You hate because you are JEALOUS
    ————-
    We laugh because your team can’t seem to beat the Raiders.

  75. Deb says: Oct 27, 2013 10:23 PM

    @bobzilla …

    Yes … so did I. Then when Suisham missed those field goals, I couldn’t help wondering if that played a role.

  76. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 27, 2013 10:26 PM

    Let’s get one thing straight: The Steelers’ present defense is not the one that’s was dominant for nearly a decade. Gone are James Harrison, Casey Hampton, Aaron Smith, James Farrior and a key backup, Chris Hoke.
    The Steelers’ defense is not old and slow. What it is is a whole lot less talented than the defenses that carried the team from 2004 to 2011.

  77. tedmurph says: Oct 27, 2013 10:37 PM

    If you are so good at predicting, you should move to Vegas. To say it’s a fact the Pats will not go to the SB when they’re tied for the number 2 seed is just dumb. I don’t think they’re going either, but it’s not a fact because you think so and don’t like them. What’s your prediction for next week?

    The video shows a man well over 200lbs punching a 120 lb woman in the face. It doesn’t show the man getting kicked in the head. That’s THEIR story. You seem to want to believe it without evidence, just like you did in the case of a QB you like to root for.

    Don’t you dare call me a misogynist. I’m the one on the woman’s side. As for me being a wierd dude, you’re the one getting the thumbs down on your home thread.

  78. bobvancouver says: Oct 27, 2013 10:42 PM

    Congrats on winning The Biggest Loser Bowl.

  79. Deb says: Oct 27, 2013 10:51 PM

    Well, I didn’t get thumb’s down on your home thread, did I? My comment, like everyone else’s, was based on the information provided by PFT and got overwhelming thumb’s up. I said there was NO excuse for a man to punch a woman, but that it was ridiculous for those women to endanger everyone else’s safety in that stadium by getting into a brawl and kicking a man in the head. Nothing was wrong with that comment and it certainly didn’t blame any female victim of anything.

    You’re very touchy, aren’t you? Most of the people here aren’t Steelers fans, but if they were, I don’t fret over thumb’s down. I know who I am–and I know who you are. You’re right. Your comments here don’t have any more to do with misogyny than your comments on the other thread or your comments about Roethlisberger had to do with defending women. You are a single-minded Patriots fan with a deep hatred for the Steelers. You would defend any Patriots fan in any circumstance and desperately wanted Roethlisberger to be guilty no matter what the evidence showed. But if you attack me without cause, you can expect a response whether you like it or not.

  80. msstiller58 says: Oct 27, 2013 10:52 PM

    I take back anything I ever said to demean the Bengals, Patriots, Browns, Ravens, packers, Cowboys, and Raiders. But I don’t take back anything I ever said to demean a poor OC. Not to mention any names….

  81. tedmurph says: Oct 27, 2013 11:03 PM

    That thread was a bunch of guys that said it was ‘equal rights’ for a man being able to hit a woman. Glad you felt you fit in.

    Again there is video evidence of the punch. So far no evidence of head kicking.

    I’m a FB fan and don’t hate the steelers. I hate some of their fans. Those and Ravens fans are the worst these sites have to offer. Why would I hate the steelers? The pats own them. If anything, I’d hate the Giants fans(and I don’t), their fans are intelligent and thoughtful.

    I don’t defend pats fans when they’re wrong. You don’t assault people. A man that punches a woman in the face is worse.

    I didn’t desperately want BR to be guilty, I just have common sense. Just like I did with OJ. Obvious. The Prosecuter didn’t have a winnable case. Yet you went to the mat for him.
    Deplorable.

  82. vipod4ever says: Oct 27, 2013 11:28 PM

    Going to call it now…the Steelers trade big Ben and take a qb in the first round. Major house cleaning on both sides of the ball.

  83. raiderapologist says: Oct 27, 2013 11:41 PM

    bobvancouver says: Oct 27, 2013 10:42 PM

    Congrats on winning The Biggest Loser Bowl.
    ————
    More chatter from America’s hat. Isn’t there a hockey game on somewhere?

  84. crownofthehelmet says: Oct 27, 2013 11:44 PM

    me too scoobs, me too….

  85. slick50ks says: Oct 27, 2013 11:54 PM

    Tebow laughs at how bad Pryor is.

  86. agc99 says: Oct 27, 2013 11:54 PM

    Steelers SUCK!

  87. Deb says: Oct 27, 2013 11:57 PM

    BTW, tedmurph … given all the times I’ve complimented the talents of Brady and Belichick, and defended the Pats over Spygate, that bit about me saying they won’t make the Super Bowl because “you don’t like them” is just plain silly. You’ve admitted you don’t think they’ll make it, either. It’s not their year. That has nothing to do with liking or not liking them. But smile. I expect they’ll beat us next week.

  88. grimmlock42 says: Oct 28, 2013 12:30 AM

    As much as I would love to disrespect the obnoxious steeler fans that go on raider articles and run their mouth about us. I’ve got too much respect for the steeler franchise and the real steeler fans. Tough game. Flipped off my T.V. about 20 times. Typical raider game. Glad to see we held on for the win. Troy Polamalu is still a beast and Le’Veon Bell is gonna be a household name next year. See you in 2014. If there’s not a raider – steeler game every year then football just isn’t football.

  89. bigbensboyfriend says: Oct 28, 2013 6:03 AM

    Crown seems to be very quiet after his 52-0 prediction of a Pittsburgh win lol.

  90. jmblosser82 says: Oct 28, 2013 7:04 AM

    Bob, i don’t see realistic people calling Ben elite. He is a great QB that occasionally holds on to the ball too long and it doesn’t work out for him.

    The Raiders didn’t stop playing aggressively, Pryor couldn’t get a passing game going. The first TD fooled Clark, the second TD came off a block pint that started at the 26, and they had 1 nice drive that lead to a TD. Even when they had to sustain a drive they couldn’t. The defense played aggressively against Pittsburgh even late. That is why there is a second half even if the score looks to be a blow out.

    The Patriots are starting their decline, the front office sent away 3 of the 5 top targets and Hernandez sent himself away. They still play in a weak division so even with a struggling offense they can still win it. Come playoff time the competition it better, will be much harder for them to put together a streak to the big game. As for next week, if the Patriots team that showed up against the Saints plays it will be a double digit win for them, if the team that showed up against the Jets, it can be a Steeler win, but I see a 3-7 point game in the Patriots future.

  91. olcap says: Oct 28, 2013 7:15 AM

    700levelvet says:
    Oct 27, 2013 7:40 PM
    Bad players and bad coaching usually doesn’t get the job done… But, I’m sure the excuses will be plenty…
    ———————–

    Yes, especially for the coaching…

  92. olcap says: Oct 28, 2013 7:18 AM

    msstiller58 says:
    Oct 27, 2013 10:52 PM
    I take back anything I ever said to demean the Bengals, Patriots, Browns, Ravens, packers, Cowboys, and Raiders. But I don’t take back anything I ever said to demean a poor OC. Not to mention any names….
    ———————-

    That’s ok to mention the OC by name and demean and disparage him, just don’t do that to his BOSS, the HC…

  93. Joemontanaflacco says: Oct 28, 2013 7:27 AM

    “You know, cause the Steelers are better than the Ravens this year. That was proven last week.”

    I would put it this way:
    Now Steelers’ fans know how it feels to be defeated by a much lousier team.

  94. holeinone09 says: Oct 28, 2013 8:28 AM

    Well, yesterday’s performance saw every facet of the Steelers make mistakes. Offense, defense, special teams, coaching, you name it and they had a bad day. Even if they had won the game, it would have been a bad day for the team. Unlike some who blame Ben solely and in fact say he is carried by the defense, let’s not forget that Pryor ran a simple play for a 93 yard TD on the first play of the game. Yes, the defense that gave up 200 yards rushing yesterday. Woodley was nowhere to be found, amazingly missing sacks and is possibly having his worst season yet IMO. No running game again, at all. OL going down like flies, but even before that there was no running game and a lot of pressure on Ben. Dropped passes? We got ‘em. Key penalities? Yep. Blocked punts? Of course? Missed FGs? Yessir. Bad coaching and play calling? Can you spell “wildcat”?

    But, no matter what, I will be sitting there week in and week out, watching and cheering, until the last play of the 16th game.

  95. southcarolinamike says: Oct 28, 2013 8:37 AM

    Over half the o-line is full of back up players. Even some of the guys who had starting jobs in game 1 are back up players.

    The Steelers even won the turnover battle against a bad team and lost because of a blocked punt and a kicker who had a bad day. Terrible

    Ben is wildly inaccurate even when he has time to throw. I have no faith in him throwing downfield.

    The defense allowed a horrible QB to move the ball on them yesterday.

    Our WR group is a bunch of “never was” players. If they were half as good as they think they are, we might actually have something.

    Tomlin gets one more year to fix this mess.

  96. mostlombardisintheleague says: Oct 28, 2013 9:02 AM

    Down by 18 points in 3rd qtr Haley is calling dives and Groundhog Day repeat bubble screens. With a QB that can sling long bombs and needle-threading lasers ? Really Todd ?

    FIRE TODD HALEY – NOW !!!!!!!

  97. Nofoolnodrool says: Oct 28, 2013 9:34 AM

    Joemontanaflacco | Oct 28, 2013, 7:27 AM EDT
    “You know, cause the Steelers are better than the Ravens this year. That was proven last week.”

    I would put it this way:
    Now Steelers’ fans know how it feels to be defeated by a much lousier team.

    Spin it any way you want skippy if it makes you feel better. The Ravens lost……the Ravens lost……get it?

  98. Joemontanaflacco says: Oct 28, 2013 10:09 AM

    “Spin it any way you want skippy if it makes you feel better. The Ravens lost……the Ravens lost……get it?”

    Ah…the cowardly lyin’ FINALLY reveals his tear streaked visage. A marked contrast to last week when his bony, nail-knawed fingers had to be pried away from the keyboard. Sorry your 3rd place dreams were pirated. 2-5 ain’t so bad. 2 interceptions and five sacks, I mean. Maybe you were waiting for Roethlisbooger to bounce a pass off Brown’s crown and ring your cracked little Bell? Ding dong. Bet you’ll clam up again after Tom Brady turns you into a bowl of chowder, watered down with your crying eyes.

  99. johnstone17 says: Oct 28, 2013 10:17 AM

    Win or lose, I wish Allen & Olson would let Pryor find his way. You handed him they keys to the offense, allow him to drive.

  100. Nofoolnodrool says: Oct 28, 2013 10:17 AM

    Joemontanaflacco | Oct 28, 2013, 10:09 AM EDT
    “Spin it any way you want skippy if it makes you feel better. The Ravens lost……the Ravens lost……get it?”

    Ah…the cowardly lyin’ FINALLY reveals his tear streaked visage. A marked contrast to last week when his bony, nail-knawed fingers had to be pried away from the keyboard. Sorry your 3rd place dreams were pirated. 2-5 ain’t so bad. 2 interceptions and five sacks, I mean. Maybe you were waiting for Roethlisbooger to bounce a pass off Brown’s crown and ring your cracked little Bell? Ding dong. Bet you’ll clam up again after Tom Brady turns you into a bowl of chowder, watered down with your crying eyes.

    Only posting under one handle now as I am sure you must get confused during your disjointed hate filled rants.

    When your team is playing poorly you tendto be quieter and let the victors crow. Skippy you might want to try that….it’s what adults do. The ravens lost to the steelers….got it?

  101. crownofthehelmet says: Oct 28, 2013 10:39 AM

    bigbensboyfriend says:
    Crown seems to be very quiet after his 52-0 prediction of a Pittsburgh win lol.
    ———————————————————————–
    What exactly do you want me to do, type my comments in all-caps?

  102. citizenstrange says: Oct 28, 2013 10:51 AM

    I think at this point in the Roethlisberger era the Steelers have a higher winning percentage when Roethlisberger does not play than when he does.

    Wrap your mind around that before using the words “Big Ben” and “elite” in the same sentence.

    Tomlin did do one smart thing though. He signed a contract extension before LeBeau retired.

  103. somethingsmellsrotten says: Oct 28, 2013 10:55 AM

    Hey deb and ted: shut up already!! You two are like a couple of school girls. This isn’t the place for your little diatribe.

  104. Deb says: Oct 28, 2013 11:34 AM

    somethingsmellsrotten …

    Our last post was 12 hours before you told us to shut up. Way to stay on top of the situation. And maybe a football blog isn’t the place to argue about who said what on the football blog or got kicked in the head in a stadium … but it’s a better discussion than JoeMontanaFlacco’s constant “HAHAHAHA” squealing. At least we talk in actual sentences.

  105. tedmurph says: Oct 28, 2013 11:54 AM

    Good call rotten; let’s stick to the high brow stuff:

    Steelers SUCK!

    Congrats on winning The Biggest Loser Bowl

    Stealers lmao!

    What else can i say , the ‘ burgh sucks !! live with it !!

    Stoolers. Flushed

  106. sbchampsagain says: Oct 28, 2013 11:57 AM

    Knock knock.
    Who’s there?
    Owen.
    Owen who?
    Owen 9 to finish the season!

    Pittsburgh’s been losing to the Raiders a lot the past few years.

  107. southcarolinamike says: Oct 28, 2013 12:42 PM

    I see some complaining about the Steelers offensive coordinator. While I’m not a big fan, I don’t see how he can do much with the talent level on this offense. Why the bubble screen and screen passes? Zero protection for plays that would require the QB to be in the pocket for more than 3 seconds. Why no running game? See pass protection…little pass protection, little reason to respect the pass. Roll out pass?…Roll out passes are designed to get 5-10 yards and the Steelers need to get more than 5-10 yards.

    The talent level on the Steelers is laughable at best. There isn’t an OC in the NFL right now who could win with the current talent level. They are a terrible team.

  108. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 28, 2013 1:44 PM

    blosser:
    Obviously you watched the game, as usual, through your black-and-gold colored glasses. That’s never a good idea, unless, of course, you wish to be taken seriously, which you most definitely never are.
    You say that Roethlisberger isn’t elite, but then you say he’s “great.” There’s nothing “great” about a QB who averages 20 TD passes a season over a 10-year span.
    And you are completely wrong about the Raiders’ offense. After Oakland took a 21-3 lead, it was obvious the Raiders were content to sit on that lead.
    There’s an old saying that teams that settle for FGs, those teams are four points closer to defeat. Without a defense that’s able to records sacks and score TDs, like in the glory seasons, the Steelers have reached that point.
    It’s time to find a conventional QB who can read defenses quickly and find receivers in under 2 seconds. That’s what the “great” ones do.
    The Steelers also need a new head coach, although that’s not likely to happen until the team turns in a few more non-playoff seasons.
    And blosser, you really need to stop taking cheap shots at the Patriots, Ravens or any other team. Worrying about the Steelers should be more than enough to keep you busy.

  109. bigbensucks says: Oct 28, 2013 2:30 PM

    2-5 – No way, say it isn’t so. How can this be. The Stoolers have six rings. They can’t be this bad. Did I say they have six rings?

    The HC sucks, The OC sucks, The QB is over rated and always has been.

    But once again, I read on another post, a Stoolers fan reminded everyone about six rings again.

    STOP LIVING IN THE PAST. YOU ARE DONE.

    Let the fat lady sing, stick a fork in yourself………It’s over…………………LOL

  110. Deb says: Oct 28, 2013 2:31 PM

    @bob …

    The issues with Roethlisberger predate Tomlin’s arrival. What specifically convinces you Mike shares so much blame for the current decline, and would anything make you believe he can bring this team back?

    Any thoughts on Colbert/Khan’s and Art Rooney’s roles in contributing to this situation?

  111. racerx1225 says: Oct 28, 2013 3:03 PM

    hendeeze says:
    Oct 27, 2013 8:51 PM
    Steeler fans: Wow you lost to the Raiders

    Raider fans, You’re still the Raiders. 3 wins just makes you the best of the worst.
    ===============================

    Raiders always beat the Steelers. Ben is 1-5 VS Raiders

  112. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 28, 2013 3:17 PM

    Deb:
    Tomlin’s clock management is simply off-the-chart awful. His personnel decisions have been mystifying, going back to the 2010 season, and his inability to construct a roster in time for the regular season is inexcusable. I won’t bore you with examples, as I’m sure you are just as aware of his flaws and failures as I.
    Tomlin’s teams also have been atrocious against inferior competition, dating back to that must-win loss in Cleveland in 2009.

    Colbert’s recent drafts have produced some good players. But here’s the problem: Those “good players” have been asked to replace great players, and great players who were attained during the Cowher Era…

    Khan has done a terrific job juggling contracts, which has allowed us to enjoy several successful seasons. However, the Steelers are the victims of the NFL’s current mindset that quarterbacks should receive 30% of a team’s payroll. That’s only going to lead to an erosion of quality players from rosters, which is the reason Harrison was released.

    Art Rooney’s timing was horrible when he decided to fire Arians. He did this at a time when the defense, the team’s heart and soul, was in declined. The perception now is that Haley is responsible for an offense that’s been average to awful since 2008. No one noticed, however, because the team was winning.
    A casual football fan’s only interest is winning. And when a new guy comes in, and the team starts to lose, the casuals assume the new guy is responsible…

    Tomlin will be unable to fix this chaotic mess, mainly because he is largely responsible for the chaotic mess the organization finds itself.

    What are your thoughts, Deb?

  113. quittsburghstoolers says: Oct 28, 2013 3:22 PM

    jmblosser82 says: Oct 27, 2013 8:32 PM

    Steelers are down but they will return with a vengeance.

    ———————————————————-

    Translation: The 2013 Steelers suck & have no place to go but up…

  114. z06vision says: Oct 28, 2013 3:46 PM

    Start the fire sale and get some draft picks and cap relief. We are probably only going to win 1 more game against the ravens and that is it for the season. Put a fork in us.

  115. Deb says: Oct 28, 2013 3:55 PM

    @bob …

    Well, contrary to some, I try to make rational judgments based on the evidence rather than just declaring apples identical to oranges because they’re both fruits. I’d love to pretend all will be right if we just fire the OC and improve the offensive line (gee … where have I heard that before?) but that’s not what my head says.

    Tomlin seemed a good hire, and I really like the guy personally. Even Saban, who’s the best in the college game, makes bad decisions now and then, so one or two can be dismissed. But Tomlin’s are starting to pile up. It has me worried about his judgment.

    I’ve always thought Ben was the franchise guy responsible for taking us to the next level. But at some point, we have to realize this isn’t all about the o-line. We got lucky when the defensive holding call negated that INT yesterday. How does a 9-year veteran throw a ball up for grabs like that when he’s in the grasp? Unbelievably stupid–as was throwing down the middle with 20 seconds left and no timeouts. Come on.

    And based on the last few drafts, I can’t help wondering how much of our player personnel success in recent years was Colbert and how much was Cowher.

    Also agree with you on the timing of the Haley hire. That’s why at the beginning of the season I said just let Ben do whatever. I don’t like Haley personally, but that’s a sound offense. Don’t know if it’s bad chemistry, poor communication, or what, but I’m not sure it’s possible to make it work with this collection of coaches and players.

    But I’d love to be wrong :)

  116. jmblosser82 says: Oct 28, 2013 4:03 PM

    Bob, if I wear black and gold glasses while watching the game then you watch with a talk glass of haterade. I forgot you used to be an all pro QB. Only 1 season has Ben had more INT then TDs, and you forget his team has gone to 4 AFC title games, 3 SB, and winning 2. He makes plays 80% if the other QBs can’t. There is no available QB in house or out that will give this team a better shot. I am not taking cheap shots at teams, only stating facts. Brady is in the tail end if his career, the front office did sent/chase away 3 of his top targets, and the AFCE does suck, and has for years. As far as the Ravens goes you can not argue Flacco is overpaid(altho all athletes are). His weapons made him not the other way around. The steelers offensive issues are not directly tied to Ben or Haley, check that poor excuse of a line. The plays are called that Ben has time to perform. The line was bad before Haley got there. Brown and Sanders are a decent tandem, but neither 1 is #1 material and Wallace wasn’t the answer either. I can take a step back and see the steelers issues but you can’t see what is going good;the few things that are). I knew this was going to be a rough game, next week will be too and the patriots have shown they are not the juggernaught they used to be. I still believe the steelers will lose. I will still be sitting here watching from the opening kickoff to end whistle and hope they prove me otherwise.

  117. realitycheckbaby says: Oct 28, 2013 4:17 PM

    And here I thought you were going to trade Big Ben for several first round picks.

    Maybe Luck and a couple less first round picks.

    WAKE UP! YOU SUCK!

  118. realitycheckbaby says: Oct 28, 2013 4:35 PM

    Look Deb, let’s be rational.

    Ben didn’t just get stupid. He’s been stupid all along.

    Same with coach.

    And your team didn’t fall from a 12-4 playoff team two years ago (12-5 counting the Tebow slap down) to the toilet bowl today because of a couple of poor drafts.

    It wouldn’t happen that fast.

    No, it’s more logically because of the arrest of one Dr. Richard Rydze and the league cracking down on HGH.

    Now you are seeing the team without the drug advantage – and it isn’t pretty.

    But hey, if a dog is ugly enough it’s almost cute.

    =========================

    Deb says: Oct 28, 2013 3:55 PM

    @bob …

    Well, contrary to some, I try to make rational judgments based on the evidence rather than just declaring apples identical to oranges because they’re both fruits. I’d love to pretend all will be right if we just fire the OC and improve the offensive line (gee … where have I heard that before?) but that’s not what my head says.

    Tomlin seemed a good hire, and I really like the guy personally. Even Saban, who’s the best in the college game, makes bad decisions now and then, so one or two can be dismissed. But Tomlin’s are starting to pile up. It has me worried about his judgment.

    I’ve always thought Ben was the franchise guy responsible for taking us to the next level. But at some point, we have to realize this isn’t all about the o-line. We got lucky when the defensive holding call negated that INT yesterday. How does a 9-year veteran throw a ball up for grabs like that when he’s in the grasp? Unbelievably stupid–as was throwing down the middle with 20 seconds left and no timeouts. Come on.

    And based on the last few drafts, I can’t help wondering how much of our player personnel success in recent years was Colbert and how much was Cowher.

    Also agree with you on the timing of the Haley hire. That’s why at the beginning of the season I said just let Ben do whatever. I don’t like Haley personally, but that’s a sound offense. Don’t know if it’s bad chemistry, poor communication, or what, but I’m not sure it’s possible to make it work with this collection of coaches and players.

    But I’d love to be wrong :)

  119. steelers88 says: Oct 28, 2013 4:38 PM

    I’d never though I say this when does the Pittsburgh Pirates season start? Well at least we have the Penguins and the Pirates. LET’S GO BUCS! LET’S GO PENS!

  120. steelers88 says: Oct 28, 2013 4:41 PM

    The Steelers really do need to trade Ben Rothlisberger. Big Ben is just not the same anymore. The Steelers just need to blow up the whole team and start rebuilding. I say trade Ben this week and hope for a top 5 pick. Draft a rookie QB and start over.

  121. ydousuk says: Oct 28, 2013 5:05 PM

    steelers88 says:Oct 28, 2013 4:41 PM

    The Steelers really do need to trade Ben Rothlisberger. Big Ben is just not the same anymore. The Steelers just need to blow up the whole team and start rebuilding. I say trade Ben this week and hope for a top 5 pick. Draft a rookie QB and start over.
    ———————————————————

    Trade Ben for what?

  122. realitycheckbaby says: Oct 28, 2013 5:10 PM

    steelers88 says: Oct 28, 2013 4:41 PM

    The Steelers really do need to trade Ben Rothlisberger. Big Ben is just not the same anymore. The Steelers just need to blow up the whole team and start rebuilding. I say trade Ben this week and hope for a top 5 pick. Draft a rookie QB and start over.
    =================================

    Steeler fans crack me up.

    What in the world do you think you’re going to get for an old, overweight QB who makes poor decisions?

    Seriously.

    Tampa Bay had to cut Freeman and he has upside if he wasn’t such a horse’s rear.

    What team out there is one Ben Roth away from contention?

  123. steelers88 says: Oct 28, 2013 5:12 PM

    Trade Ben to the Jags I don’t know. Demand a 1st round pick for this year, a first round pick next year, a second round pick this year, and a third round pick this year.

  124. realitycheckbaby says: Oct 28, 2013 5:25 PM

    steelers88 says: Oct 28, 2013 5:12 PM

    Trade Ben to the Jags I don’t know. Demand a 1st round pick for this year, a first round pick next year, a second round pick this year, and a third round pick this year.
    ===========================

    Seriously?

    So if you’re the Jags you’d give up a first, second and third this year and a first next year for a QB who is old, not in good shape and makes really bad decisions?

    A QB with a lifetime 90 rating and a much lesser one now?

    Chiefs gave up 2nd round pick and conditional 3rd for Alex Smith who had just gone to NFC Championship.

    Big Ben is the 22nd best QB according to ESPN rankings.

  125. realitycheckbaby says: Oct 28, 2013 5:28 PM

    BTW – NFL has him at 28th this year with a rating of 87.2.

    And on top of that he’s 31. His best days are behind his extensive rear end.

  126. Deb says: Oct 28, 2013 5:29 PM

    @realitycheck …

    We’re not going to trade Ben in the middle of the season, and he’s not that old. Does your team need a QB? Who is your team, btw? You never seem to say :)

  127. jmblosser82 says: Oct 28, 2013 5:31 PM

    Steelers88, that’s wishful thinking, they might be able to get a 4th and 6th or a 3rd and 7th. Realistically he has 3-4 years left. They are better off developing a young talent and key Ben take the beating until they can work out the line issues.

  128. ydousuk says: Oct 28, 2013 5:53 PM

    Deb says:Oct 28, 2013 5:29 PM

    @realitycheck …

    We’re not going to trade Ben in the middle of the season, and he’s not that old.
    ———————————————————-

    Well, that’s good, since nobody would trade anything for him anyway.

  129. jmblosser82 says: Oct 28, 2013 5:54 PM

    Reality heck, Ben’s low off year passer rating is still 2 points higher then your boy Flacco’s lifetime rating and almost 10 points higher then your boy Flacco’s rating this year. In fact your boy Flacco only had 1 season higher then Ben’s career rating. Worry about your boy before coming after another QB.

  130. Deb says: Oct 28, 2013 6:10 PM

    @jmblosser82 …

    reality says he’s not a Ravens fan, so Flacco wouldn’t be his boy. I’m just wondering which is relatively new to PFT … realitycheck himself or only his username :)

    @ydousuk …

    Thanks, but someone would trade during the off season. Never underestimate the selling power of two rings and a little mythology.

  131. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 28, 2013 6:13 PM

    blosser:
    Please stop insisting that I hate Roethlisberger. If you were actually capable of comprehending what I’ve said over the years, you’d know that what I actually hate are “fans” (and the Pittsburgh sports media) like you: Those who believe Roethlisberger is above any criticism.
    I’m going say this again: Roethlisberger has not outperformed his obscene $107 million contract.
    And your “argument” that I have no right to an opinion because I’m not an all-pro QB is astoundingly childish.
    You are the reason I loathe most Steelers fans.

  132. jmblosser82 says: Oct 28, 2013 7:58 PM

    In a league that the only thing that matters is winning, 2 out of 3 SB is worth spending $107 million. You blame Ben for what he doesn’t do, I point out how much time he has before there is someone in his face. Is he earning his $17 mil this year, no but tell me how many QBs could manage 2 wins with his line and running game. The only game that wasn’t really in reach was the bears game, even when it was a 3 point game late it was still a long shot. One point your forgetting about the number if points he puts up, traditional Steeler football is clock management and great defense. Early in his career they put together long time consuming drives and got points, the defense did their job and keeping point totals low. These days they don’t have the run game to milk the clock. It was never Ben’s fault that he only threw 20 TDs a year average, it’s the system. You don’t hate Ben? You bash on him even when they win, you hate him that’s all there is to it.

    Deb, I believe it was nofool who caught the mishap of realitycheck,(I could be wrong)but he is also JoeMontanaFlacco and a few if the obviously steeler fan screen names with the praise they give out.

  133. realitycheckbaby says: Oct 28, 2013 9:11 PM

    @ Deb – your guy suggested trading him. I simply pointed out that anyone who thinks he would bring a 1st, 2nd and 3rd this year and a 1st next year from the Jags no less is on meth.

    @jmblosser82 – Flunko and Phen Phen are actually two peas in a pod.

  134. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 28, 2013 9:38 PM

    blosser:
    Your blind loyalty to SuperBen is creepy. Just what grade are you in this year?

  135. Nofoolnodrool says: Oct 28, 2013 9:42 PM

    Flunko and Phen Phen are actually two peas in a pod

    I GUESS YOU MEAN LIKE JOEFLACCOMONTANA AND REALITYCHECKBABY …..RIGHT?

  136. raiderapologist says: Oct 28, 2013 10:03 PM

    It’s funny to see Steeler fans try to act mature when they think they are talking to a girl.

  137. jmblosser82 says: Oct 28, 2013 10:13 PM

    Bob, hardly blind loyalty, he cost them the Vikings and bears game this year, cost them the broncos and cowboys(I believe)last year from the top of my head. Just because your a crotchety old man does not make me a kid.

  138. Deb says: Oct 28, 2013 10:21 PM

    @realitycheck …

    Well … that much is true.

    @jmblosser82 …

    Yes, nofool accused realitycheck of being JoeMontanaFlacco, but that doesn’t mean he’s correct. Many people like to assume multiple identities on these blogs. I’m content just to play myself–though that did cause a little embarrassment the one time a friend stumbled on CFT and recognized me :)

  139. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 28, 2013 11:52 PM

    blosser:
    Crotchety old man? So humorous how you “Big Ben” groupies resort to personal attacks because you are too in love to handle the facts.
    The Steelers are 3-8 in Roethlisberger’s last 11 starts. That’s not very good for a QB who singlehandedly won three AFC Championships and two Super Bowls.
    In Sunday’s loss, he wasted a timeout to argue a non-call with about 1:40 to play. He also threw a pass down the middle of the field with about 18 seconds to play. Both of those mental mistakes from a 10-year veteran QB contributed to the loss.
    You gotta start paying attention.

  140. jmblosser82 says: Oct 29, 2013 12:54 PM

    Bob just pointing out that win or lose your not happy. I am not a Big Ben groupie, there is just no better option. You bash Ben due to the system he’s played in, you complain about the last 11 games but ignore his career. When they got away from the running game and let Ben sling it around while winning I bet you complained about getting away from steeler football, now that he is having to pass with poor protection you complain that he doesn’t do enough with no help from the line or run game. 18 seconds left and needing around 60 yards it really didn’t matter where he went with the ball, chances if getting into FG range were slim and Gail marries rarely work. The time out was a blunder.

  141. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 29, 2013 1:39 PM

    When did they “get away from the running game”? As recently as 2010, Rashard Mendenhall was a 1,000-plus-yard back.
    Every time you comment, you just continue to contradict yourself…
    Any QB who has played in a “system” that’s enabled him to throw for more than 31,000 yards, that QB also has had amble opportunities to complete TD passes.
    Roethlisberger is the worst red-zone QB in the league, a distinction he’s held since 2008.
    Finally, I’ve always been pleased with the wins. What I’ve never been pleased about was that our elite defense was forced to do the vast majority of the winning for a QB making $100 million.
    That defense is now gone.
    And so is the winning.

  142. jmblosser82 says: Oct 29, 2013 2:21 PM

    Bob, a 1k rusher isn’t what it used to be. During Ben’s third season till 10-11 he passed because he could, from sometime during the 11 season he passed because no one could run it. I in no way contradicted myself

  143. ydousuk says: Oct 29, 2013 5:27 PM

    Nofoolnodrool says: Oct 28, 2013 9:42 PM

    Flunko and Phen Phen are actually two peas in a pod

    I GUESS YOU MEAN LIKE JOEFLACCOMONTANA AND REALITYCHECKBABY …..RIGHT?
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    Well, the way I read it is that he is not a Steeler or Ravens’ fan.

    Very impressive use of capital letters!!!!!!!!! Are you a keyboard tough guy now skippy?

  144. southcarolinamike says: Oct 29, 2013 5:45 PM

    Bobzilla,
    You have an odd infatuation with Mendenhall the way some of the folks on the board have one with Roethlisberger. Mendenhall had one good year with the Steelers. In 2010, he rushed for 1,273 yards and finished 7th in the league total yards.

    Citing a thousand yard back doesn’t give the person with the argument very much credit because it is a 16 game season. His second best season was 2009 when he had 1,108 and was 14th in total rushing a little ahead of what I assume you would consider to be a good NFL back in Fred Jackson from Buffalo of all places.

    Mendenhall has a 62 yard per game career average. The Steelers were never going to bank on him to carrying the tradition of Franco and Bettis. He is averaging less than 50 yards per game this year. Not having Mendenhall is not a problem.

    The real problem the Steelers have is not at running back. They have an offensive line that can’t block, receivers who can’t catch and a QB that when he is given time is inaccurate. They average less than 20 points per game…actually, closer to 15 than 20. A team with an elite QB should be able to score 20 points a game regardless of what is around him and the rules these days.

    Combine that with the fact that they are top heavy with old guys getting paid too much. Seattle has six key players, including the QB, in their rookie contracts taking up around 5% of their salary cap. ESPN showed the stat last night. Pittsburgh waited too long to eliminate old players/fan favorites and they are stuck with the crap they have now.

  145. jmblosser82 says: Oct 29, 2013 6:02 PM

    SC Mile, to Mendenhall’s credit before he blew out his knee he was leading the league(I am 99% sure on it). He was definitely not the same.

    Fix the line and some of the issues go away, this team would have at least 2 more wins this year with better blocking.

  146. jmblosser82 says: Oct 29, 2013 6:12 PM

    Also Brown, Sanders, and Miller have over 100 receptions with 4 drops, Brown and Miller 1 each. The team has a total if 9, the only issues with the passing game is the TD-INT ratio, which given better protection that number will improve.

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