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Freeman misfire jeopardizes everyone’s job in Minnesota

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As the saying goes, when a team has two quarterbacks it has none.  When it has three, it has a full-blown clusterfudge that will get people fired.

For the Vikings, who signed Josh Freeman in order to have the rest of the year to assess whether he can be the long-term answer at the position but who tried too quickly to make him the short-term answer, the right call is now obvious:  Go with the guy deemed best suited to win games.

That’s why Freeman, who didn’t play last week due to a concussion, hasn’t been reinstalled as the starter even though he has exited the injury report.  He’s not good enough to propel the team instantly to wins, which means that the team could end up being bad enough to get everyone fired.

Maybe not everyone.  Maybe G.M. Rick Spielman would be given the chance to hire another coach.  But with coach Leslie Frazier not getting an extension after last year’s unlikely playoff season, bookends of 3-13 in 2011 and possibly worse in 2013 will put jobs in jeopardy.

Regardless of whether Frazier and Spielman are fused at the hip, they need to be on the same page now more than ever.  They need to go with the quarterback who’ll help the Vikings avoid sliding to 1-7, who’ll spark an unexpected winning streak, and who’ll make radical change less likely in 2014.

Relying on the guy they tried to fire a few weeks ago to save their jobs injects more than a little irony into the equation, and even if Christian Ponder does well enough to turn a disastrous season respectable, why should he think he’ll be back next year?

He won’t.  In a league with teams that either have a franchise quarterback or are looking for one, the Vikings are in this mess because they still don’t have a franchise quarterback.  If Ponder were the answer, they wouldn’t have signed Freeman.  If Freeman were the answer, there would be some sign of it by now.

And so the challenge will be to make chicken salad out of what they currently have, in the hopes of finding in the offseason a fourth quarterback who’ll possibly become the franchise quarterback that every team in today’s NFL desperately needs.

Of course, the best strategy to do that could be to keep losing.  Which means that a new head coach and possibly a new G.M. would be using the ensuing high draft pick on a potential franchise quarterback.

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94 Responses to “Freeman misfire jeopardizes everyone’s job in Minnesota”
  1. doctorrustbelt says: Oct 31, 2013 1:32 PM

    Let me be frank…. Josh Freeman is a overrated commodity and Minnesota management should have known better.

  2. oriolesvsravens says: Oct 31, 2013 1:34 PM

    The Ponder pick was bad to begin with. Then you add the McNabb and Freeman debacles to it shows you what their #1 pick will be in next years draft.

  3. thestrategyexpert says: Oct 31, 2013 1:37 PM

    Fire Spielman, and I can think of 53 reasons why. There’s 53 guys rotting on this team this year taking on depreciation against their future value in exchange for a non-competitive season.

    Easy decision, a good GM would have done something different rather than take on ALL this waste. That’s a massive amount of millions being pissed away down the sewer.

  4. sadviking says: Oct 31, 2013 1:37 PM

    Happy days are here again….

  5. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Oct 31, 2013 1:37 PM

    I really think that Christian Ponder and Josh Freeman are equally likely to help us to our ultimate goal of drafting Teddy Bridgewater or Marcus Mariota.

  6. adantsa says: Oct 31, 2013 1:39 PM

    In terms of winning a football game I see it as Cassel > Ponder > Freeman. However, as bad as Freeman looked in his debut, he needs to be given another chance. He has tools the others do not and is the only one who could be a “QB of the future”. I don’t see any other way to salvage the QB situation this season.

  7. craigswerd says: Oct 31, 2013 1:39 PM

    I don’t think you can write off Freeman as of yet. Throwing him in after being here 2 weeks is a pretty tough task. In two weeks, 1 with the starting offense, you are not in sync with anyone or anything. Now, I am not saying he IS the answer, but he needs at least 4-5 games to prove one way or the other. We already know that Ponder IS NOT the answer, so lets just move on from him. If you win with Freeman or he shows some promise, then he is your guy next year. If not, you know you have to be aggressive to get a top QB coming out of next years draft. Winning for jobs sake at this point is ridiculous. At 1-6 it is a lost season anyways. You might as well experiment so you can make a large jump forward next year!

  8. universalseeder305 says: Oct 31, 2013 1:39 PM

    With the 2ND pick in the 2014 NFL draft the Minnesota Vikings select Teddy Bridgewater.
    Book it!!!

  9. thedano says: Oct 31, 2013 1:39 PM

    Unfortunately for Frazier this wasn’t a playoff team a year ago. They have major short fall in several areas, most glaring at QB. Ponder had under 100 yards passing, in games he started, 3 times last year. Cassell clearly isn’t the answer either. KC fans can tell you that.

    Only a historic season by Adrian Peterson got them to the playoffs. But now Frazier is looked at for improvement on a playoff type record, with a 3-13 team.

    Making the playoffs made them fool themselves that they were close, instead of upgrading the roster.

  10. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Oct 31, 2013 1:42 PM

    Don’t you think everyone’s job would be in jeopardy even if they hadn’t signed Freeman? And isn’t it too early to call Freeman a misfire? There are nine games left. Freeman will have adequate opportunity to show what he can do. I’m sure he’ll be terrible, but he isn’t the reason there will be jobs lossed.

  11. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Oct 31, 2013 1:43 PM

    *lost. Can’t believe I did that.

  12. jmorand47 says: Oct 31, 2013 1:44 PM

    I don’t care who they have under center, he’s not going to be able to put up 40+ points week in and week out with that horrible defense. The question isn’t only about the QB, but why can’t they stop anybody. Zero punts for the Packers last week? Seriously? Alan Williams must go. And this weekly, “We’ll get it fixed” crap from Frazier is getting old.

  13. lpd1964 says: Oct 31, 2013 1:45 PM

    What good does it do to win games now? The record speaks for itself, get the high pick and get rid of this current regime and start over.

  14. shaggytoodle says: Oct 31, 2013 1:45 PM

    That’s sounds like quite the schism.

  15. indywilson40 says: Oct 31, 2013 1:48 PM

    Leslie Frazier came from the Jim Caldwell blank stare school of coaching. Someone check his pulse.

  16. bucrightoff says: Oct 31, 2013 1:48 PM

    Josh Freeman will be the answer to the question: Name the NFL QB who started for two fired coaches in the same season.

  17. reptar24 says: Oct 31, 2013 1:49 PM

    No winning streaks. Tank it for a real qb. Any fan who wants them to win 2-3 more games, that will only push us away from a franchise changer at qb, just for a couple wins no one will remember in a year, is an idiot. 3 wins this season, or 10+ years of solid quarterback play?

    TANK FOR TEDDY

  18. jollyjoker2 says: Oct 31, 2013 1:50 PM

    Fire Spielman….Not sure yet on Frazier. That one game in chicago was certainly not good on special teams prep. I don’t like Spielman because he traded half the draft for 1 guy they could easily had 1 pick earlier. New England made a killing with those picks – all rookies. He also missed wildly on ponder..Sure the guy says the right things but can’t deliver a pizza without f’ing it up. The most obvious bet is Frazier is gone and Spielman does his snarky song and dance about moving forward. I wouldn’t put up with it – but it is what it is.

  19. thestrategyexpert says: Oct 31, 2013 1:53 PM

    craigswerd:

    No you can’t write off Freeman. But if you don’t then you have to debit the values of other QBs you hold in possession. This isn’t just about Freeman, this is about the Viking’s overall and global Balance Sheet that determines their odds to compete for a Super Bowl.

    And their books are jacked up big-time. It’s 10x harder to win at football when you can’t figure out how to use a calculator to get the books straight before you get started with screwing up other football decisions. And least get the numbers on your side and make some logical plays. Any investment in Freeman is a discarding of previous investments already placed in those other QBs. It doesn’t add up to making sense overall, and that’s the key issue.

    It’s a conceptual problem, not a personal or individual one involving the person named Josh Freeman.

  20. xpensivewinos says: Oct 31, 2013 1:55 PM

    I think you’re forgetting about all of the success Spielman had as GM in Miami.

    Oh wait…….

  21. jollyjoker2 says: Oct 31, 2013 1:55 PM

    start cutting and gutting. Guys don’t listen or produce – find a highway and send them packing.

  22. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Oct 31, 2013 1:56 PM

    I think last week was enough to keep Ponder in the lineup. You just need to be more patient.

  23. athwartships says: Oct 31, 2013 1:57 PM

    Again I can’t help but ask…….Cassel?

    No one likes to watch a race to the bottom. Just like in Tampa Bay, something has to give.

  24. fatguystrangler says: Oct 31, 2013 1:57 PM

    So, wait, you mean to tell me all that non-stop Josh Freeman coverage weeks ago, may be all for naught? The way I was reading it, it was like Tampa was cutting a perennial all-pro, and not an overrated head-case. Schiano was right on one thing, at least.

  25. 3yardsndust says: Oct 31, 2013 1:59 PM

    Wilf is going to clean house as soon as the season is over. Mark my words.

  26. snowlock2013 says: Oct 31, 2013 2:00 PM

    When we drafted Ponder a read alot that said, okay they reached but its okay to reach because you’re not tied to a high round rookie like you used to be.

    Well, that happened. Now get over it. Frazier is an interim HC, has been since he became the HC. His staff is worse than the one Tice was made to have in McCombs last days as owner.

    Spielman is a wheeler/dealer. He’s good at it, but he hasn’t shown results for the value he’s gotten us. At least, no long term results. I don’t think Spielman expected a playoff berth last year, and I think that put him back into a “win now” mode, when he was thinking rebuilding. Should that shift in focus cost him his job? Maybe.

    But the experiment is over. Ponder didn’t work. Frazier was never really expected to work, I don’t think. And now after a 2 year derail, we’re back to rebuilding. Enough hand-wringing about it. Just do it.

  27. surfinbird1 says: Oct 31, 2013 2:02 PM

    They should have traded for Mallet.
    Btw: Frazier has no fire in the belly.

  28. babyjesus69 says: Oct 31, 2013 2:03 PM

    Is Ap this generations Barry Sander? Great HOF rb on just a terrible team year in and year out

  29. Troll_toll says: Oct 31, 2013 2:04 PM

    Franchise of life long losers.

  30. fwippel says: Oct 31, 2013 2:07 PM

    The team is a mess because the coaching staff and the front office are a mess.

    The Freeman signing was a mistake from the get-go, just based on the money. Freeman has done little since 2010 to justify that kind of money, and he’s more turnover-prone than Cassel or Ponder.

    The Vikings are not going to salvage their 2013 season, not just because of the QB mess, but because the defense has completely collapsed this year. Speilman and Frazier should both be out the door at year’s end, and then the team can hire a real GM and start figuring out whether Bridgewater, Mariota, or Manziel is their next QB.

  31. thestrategyexpert says: Oct 31, 2013 2:09 PM

    3yardsndust:

    But that’s what he should have followed through on at this point last year when his team failed miserably and had no shapes for the future. And he didn’t clean house this past offseason, he just added to the mess and made things worse. How do we know he won’t do that again and go for even more clutter? Also the longer he keeps making a mess, the sooner AP will end up retiring and then that will just be another case of an all-time great having wasted his whole career for no real contending.

    There was an opportunity to get a head start on cleaning house the other day, and he missed it. I wonder if he has a checking account balance with over a billion dollars that he intends to move one of these days. There’s always tomorrow right? Well if that’s the attitude then you are never going to break the cycle now are you?

    I expect the Vikings to be a miserable failure in 2014 again. It’s very possible they could shake things up and transition into being the best team in football, but my instincts tell me not to worry. I have no confidence in what Wilf or Spielman are doing. I don’t think they understand football very well and that equates to a non-threat.

  32. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 31, 2013 2:10 PM

    I’m absolutely amazed by the number of head coaches who failed to utilize the long offseason, the numerous OTAs, training camp and preseason to evaluate their team’s talent and construct an adequate roster.
    Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh is another who evidently took an extended vacation.
    Based on all these coaches still scrambling for players and answers, midway through the season, does the NFL really believe a shortened, two-game preseason will strength the quality of the league?
    Or, doesn’t quality matter?

  33. realfootballfan says: Oct 31, 2013 2:12 PM

    No, it doesn’t. They wre already getting fired anyway. They (foolishly I might add) were hoping that Freeman could save them from the Ponder draft miss.

    Being overlooked is that just like during Favre’s final year, the defense has gone back to being horrible, and that’s the bigger issue. That defense improved greatly last year and was, along with Peterson, the reason they made the playoffs.

    With it back to being horrible, Ponder’s bad play is just magnified where it was overlooked last year.

  34. thedano says: Oct 31, 2013 2:13 PM

    The management should be under more scrutiny for not unloading Jared Allen and others for draft picks. Now Allen walks for nothing on a team in need of a total rebuild.

  35. tokyosandblaster says: Oct 31, 2013 2:14 PM

    Does Teddy Bridgewater play defense?

    I mean…

    At this point you’re four drafts away from being a contender, and by that time Adrian will be less relevant than he is now.

  36. coltzfan166 says: Oct 31, 2013 2:19 PM

    You can’t bring in a guy and expect him to run the offense in one week better than the guys that have been there since the offseason. Just put Cassel in. He gives them the best chance to win.

  37. thestrategyexpert says: Oct 31, 2013 2:19 PM

    bobzilla1001:

    It’s not a game run by smart people. It’s football, and it’s not about how good you are or what you know, it’s about who you know. People want to win the best they can, but only with the buddies that they have come to know and like. NFL teams are just toys for billionaires and who are we to suggest how they play with it? Some people find greater pleasure in toying with it their own way and they don’t want to listen to anybody else’s idea of a better way for them to play with their toy. You have to really want to win bad enough in order to force yourself to be open-minded and responsible with taking good care of your toy.

    It’s this kind of unsophisticated attitude and thinking which is responsible for why some cities just can’t have nice things, like SB titles.

  38. minnesoulja says: Oct 31, 2013 2:19 PM

    AND

    Jerome Felton
    Matt Kahlil

  39. nflpoker says: Oct 31, 2013 2:22 PM

    Now it is time for me to yank some chains:

    1) one of these QBs have got to go this year.
    2) if so, Ponder will probably stay because of Frazier. Those 2 may be surgically joined at the hip though.
    3) If the front office, i.e. Wilf and possibly Spielman are smart (hah), Frazier will be fired after week 17.
    4) If Frazier is fired, say good bye to the coordinators, as they usually don’t stay with the new HC.
    5) As much as the team tries, they won’t win more than 1 game. 2 games if the NFL gods are smiling on them. Their remaining schedule is tough.
    6) Please lose the remaining games so they can get a 1 through 5 overall draft pick in 2014.
    7) They will mess up item #6 as far as the pick is concerned.

  40. 63deuceman says: Oct 31, 2013 2:23 PM

    “Is Ap this generations Barry Sanders? Great HOF rb on just a terrible team year in and year out”
    ______________

    I don’t believe so. He was on a team that was a play or two from going to the Super Bowl in 2009 – except for Favre’s INT and his own 4 fumbles. He had a chance.

  41. bucfanforlife says: Oct 31, 2013 2:25 PM

    ha ha free strikes again nfl qb poser #1

  42. snowlock2013 says: Oct 31, 2013 2:25 PM

    We’re not four drafts away. This is the NFL, no one is four drafts away. Just gotta hit right in the draft at QB. The only difference between the Vikings and the Packers really is that the Packer’s GM hit the lottery at the QB position and the Vikings GM didn’t. You take away Aaron Rodgers and give them Freeman or Ponder, and the results are exactly the same. Maybe worse cause you don’t have AD.

  43. minnesoulja says: Oct 31, 2013 2:26 PM

    TO ANY OF YOU WHO SEE AP’s CAREER AS A WASTE IN MINNESOTA:

    We were one dirty game from a Super Bowl a few years back. Isn’t that worth something?

    We beat the pack and cost them home field advatage last year against all odds. That was fun.

    He has the second highest grossing season rushing yards from scrimage. Ever.

    I know he deserves to compete, but every year is a competition. Only ONE TEAM HOLDS THE HARDWARE.

    Next year their will be 31 other teams starting right were we are too. Back in the hunt.

    Last year is proof that any team can come back and suprise you. Look at KC this year. Perfect example.

    Maybe next year the Jags will figure it out and hush the fan-boys. Here’s hoping.

    I commend the league for their efforts in parity, which is glaringly evident to anyone who looks.

    This is the GREATEST GAME MEN PLAY.

    So shut up and watch.

  44. purpleguy says: Oct 31, 2013 2:28 PM

    Meh, signing Freeman wasn’t the mistake (and it was largely praised as a low cost looksee), playing him too soon was. Cassel gives them the best chance to win, but who cares? And multiple drafts to contention? Its not like NFL teams never have one year turn-arounds like the 2012 Vikes/Colts, or the 2013 Chiefs/Saints — both of which had poor defenses.

  45. 737driver69 says: Oct 31, 2013 2:28 PM

    I guess the Vicants going to blame this debacle on the Saints

  46. citnetter says: Oct 31, 2013 2:34 PM

    Anyone who regularly takes out the best RB in the league on 3rd down situations should be fired.

    Anyone who makes the awful decision to draft Ponder in the upper-half of the 1rst round and then turns around and signs a guy who was arguably the worst starter in the league in 2012 (Cassel) and then tops that off by signing the biggest headcase of 2013 should be fired.

    Anyone who makes the decision to hire Frazier and Speilman should have a lobotomy.

  47. axespray says: Oct 31, 2013 2:35 PM

    As a Packer Fan – I’ll be honest and say that the vikes are gonna be a scary team the day they find a QB…

    That Patterson kid could be a 1500 yard receiver if he had a Brett Favre throwing to him – Kyle Rudolph – those other receivers – along with AP…

    Then again, that defense really really sucks.

  48. allday28mvpmvp says: Oct 31, 2013 2:36 PM

    babyjesus69 says: Oct 31, 2013 2:03 PM

    Is Ap this generations Barry Sander? Great HOF rb on just a terrible team year in and year out

    —–

    I forgot, how many NFC championship games did Barry Sanders play in?

  49. granadafan says: Oct 31, 2013 2:37 PM

    No QB equals lousy team

  50. allday28mvpmvp says: Oct 31, 2013 2:38 PM

    tokyosandblaster says: Oct 31, 2013 2:14 PM

    At this point you’re four drafts away from being a contender, and by that time Adrian will be less relevant than he is now.

    —–
    4 drafts?! That’s laughable!
    I seem to remember similar things being said after the Vikes went 3-13. They were in the playoffs the following year.

  51. allday28mvpmvp says: Oct 31, 2013 2:40 PM

    nflpoker says: Oct 31, 2013 2:22 PM

    Now it is time for me to yank some chains:

    1) one of these QBs have got to go this year.
    2) if so, Ponder will probably stay because of Frazier. Those 2 may be surgically joined at the hip though.

    —–

    I’ll cut u off at 2, because that’s where u lost your credibility.

    Ponder is Speilman’s guy, not Fraizer’s.
    Guess you haven’t been paying attention much

  52. ilovefoolsball says: Oct 31, 2013 2:40 PM

    Why do they even have Ponder passing?

  53. conormacleod says: Oct 31, 2013 2:41 PM

    I will be rooting for a win every game. Because I can’t root for my team to lose.

    That being said…I’m ok with losing each week…

    Season over. Fire every single coach. Dump every QB on the roster. This team needs a fresh start. New Coaches. High draft pick for a QB. Then get a veteran free agent QB to mentor the rookie QB. Somebody with knowledge, but perhaps eroding physical attributes that keeps him from being a starter.

    Now, if only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville could somehow not go 0-16…

  54. conormacleod says: Oct 31, 2013 2:43 PM

    And after you clean house of all the coaches and QB’s, and draft a QB within the first 3 picks, then spend the rest of the draft on defense.

  55. tformation says: Oct 31, 2013 2:43 PM

    What’s the tiebreaker for draft picks? Let’s assume the Bucs win one game, and the Jags & Vikes don’t win another game. Who gets pick #2? The Bucs or the Vikes?

    Hypothetical, of course. I think the Vikes are going to win at least another game, maybe even two. Not sure about the Bucs though. Might come down to the Bucs & the Jags fighting for that golden draft ticket…

    BTW, I got a feeling Lovie Smith will be looking at condos in St. Paul in 2014. Got no evidence. Just a gut feeling.

  56. justintuckrule says: Oct 31, 2013 2:52 PM

    Totally disagree with this article. The season is lost and Ponder is not the answer. Turn the reigns over to Freeman and see what happens.

  57. mogogo1 says: Oct 31, 2013 2:54 PM

    Everybody’s jobs would still be in jeopardy even if they HADN’T signed Freeman. Let’s say he never plays another down for them again, it was still a low-risk effort to improve them at a weak position. Frankly, what I consider to be their mistake is in not going back to Freeman to assure themselves he won’t catch on to the offense. One start after being with the team for about a week isn’t much of a sample size. And the bar to be better than Ponder is pretty low.

  58. whatjusthapped says: Oct 31, 2013 2:54 PM

    I don’t know about Frazier but I am convinced that Spielman is in over his head. There is a reason he got fired in Miami, just like there was a reason that Favre was available. The Vikings need a good front office to evaluate talent and right now the approach seems to be, wait till the Packers let someone go and then sign them.

    As for the Qb’s, I never understood why the Vikings took Ponder in the first round. They could have drafted an impact player at #12 and probably waited till the third round to get Ponder. Freeman is a lot like Rex Grossman, a flash for a year only never to recover his potential although more than one team tried.

  59. Canned Heat says: Oct 31, 2013 2:56 PM

    bucrightoff says: Oct 31, 2013 1:48 PM

    Josh Freeman will be the answer to the question: Name the NFL QB who started for two fired coaches in the same season.
    _______________________________

    What if they can Frazier next week and an interim coach is in …and the he gets it too at the end too?? Wow…this could be historical before we’re all done here.

  60. vikes89allday says: Oct 31, 2013 2:58 PM

    With spielman still there on draft day the Vikings have a good chance on acquiring a few extra picks in the first round. Trade the high top 3 pick and a 2nd or 3rd, try to get a lower top 10 or 15 pick Marcus Mariota, a few extra picks to get back in the first round draft and one of the top defensive player’s like Anthony Barr from UCLA or Louis Nix from Notre Dame. The Vikings 2013 defense is hurting more then the offense. The Vikings could build off they’re already solid drafting in recent years…… Offense wins games but defense wins championships

  61. packfanaj12 says: Oct 31, 2013 2:59 PM

    I know since I’m a Packers fan, this may sound bias, however the Vikings were having major issues before Freeman was signed. I actually thought it made some sense for them to at least see what he could do this season, and for 2 million that is a cheap tryout for a possible franchise QB… Lets face it at the time they signed him they knew the chances of a playoff run were as basically gone… So might as well see what tools are out on the market for next year. If the Vikings are wanting to win games, they should look at the one game they did win… with Cassel… He was not great in his 2nd start (even though he still had a 71 percent completion rate), however he at least played better in 1 game then Ponder and Freeman have all year. If you want to see how many games you can still win, IMO play Cassel…

  62. tokyosandblaster says: Oct 31, 2013 3:00 PM

    allday28mvpmvp says:
    Oct 31, 2013 2:38 PM
    tokyosandblaster says: Oct 31, 2013 2:14 PM

    At this point you’re four drafts away from being a contender, and by that time Adrian will be less relevant than he is now.

    —–
    4 drafts?! That’s laughable!
    I seem to remember similar things being said after the Vikes went 3-13. They were in the playoffs the following year.

    —-

    Still not contenders. The bears were the better team and would have given the Packers at least a better game.

    You predicted a division championship and a sweep of the Packers this year. I predicted you’d be 3-13.

    I guess my opinions are more correct than yours.

  63. bobnelsonjr says: Oct 31, 2013 3:02 PM

    Since 1999 the vikings have drafted Tarvaris Jackson(traded up), Tyler Thigpen, John David Booty(traded up), Joe Webb, and Christian Ponder.

    During that time they have signed Bubby Brister, Spurgeon Wynn, Todd Bouman, Gus Frerotte, Brad Johnson, Koy Detmer, Brett Favre, and Josh Freeman.

    Also since 1999 they traded for Brooks Bollinger, Kelly Holcomb, Sage Rosenfels, and Donovan McNabb.

    They just never seem to know what they want at QB. They have had more than 16 QB’s on the roster and only Brett Favre was a success.

    Perhaps they should consider hiring a better QB scout and evaluator before wasting more draft picks on bust and in trades. But they won’t.

    No it is the vikings who enjoy perpetual futility and error.

  64. archx says: Oct 31, 2013 3:06 PM

    as Singletary said in the past, quarterback is not the most important position on the team. maybe he whispered it in Frasier’s ear.

  65. Paul M. says: Oct 31, 2013 3:08 PM

    This article assumes Frazier has the mental acuity to have a plan for this team. The play on the field suggests otherwise. Cassel is the only quarterback who has won a game and Ponder is the second worse quarterback to ever wear a Viking uniform.

  66. michfan says: Oct 31, 2013 3:11 PM

    From the owners to Spielman, on down to the Stadium mess…………..This outfit is clueless!

  67. bobnelsonjr says: Oct 31, 2013 3:14 PM

    surfinbird1 says: Oct 31, 2013 2:02 PM

    They should have traded for Mallet.

    Surfinbird, the vikings already traded Mallet. The third round pick used on Mallet by the Patriots was obtained from the vikings in a trade. The vikings got Randy Moss whom they cut a few weeks later.

    Every year there are many viking screw ups like that to laugh about.

  68. banlarson says: Oct 31, 2013 3:31 PM

    Ownership HAS to remove the GM and Coaching staff. They need new schemes and a different direction. If the Vikings can get a QB like Marcus Mariota and a more upbeat offensive scheme, they have some players to make that work. Going to be a long journey back to competitiveness.

  69. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Oct 31, 2013 3:31 PM

    tformation says:Oct 31, 2013 2:43 PM

    What’s the tiebreaker for draft picks? Let’s assume the Bucs win one game, and the Jags & Vikes don’t win another game. Who gets pick #2? The Bucs or the Vikes?
    ______

    The tiebreaker is strength of schedule. The team with the easier schedule (opponents winning percentage) gets the higher pick. So let’s still keep rooting for the Packers, Bears, and Lions to lose!

  70. Rick Spielman is a Magician says: Oct 31, 2013 3:35 PM

    bobnelsonjr says:Oct 31, 2013 3:02 PM

    Since 1999 the vikings have drafted Tarvaris Jackson(traded up), Tyler Thigpen, John David Booty(traded up), Joe Webb, and Christian Ponder.

    During that time they have signed Bubby Brister, Spurgeon Wynn, Todd Bouman, Gus Frerotte, Brad Johnson, Koy Detmer, Brett Favre, and Josh Freeman.

    Also since 1999 they traded for Brooks Bollinger, Kelly Holcomb, Sage Rosenfels, and Donovan McNabb.

    They just never seem to know what they want at QB. They have had more than 16 QB’s on the roster and only Brett Favre was a success.

    Perhaps they should consider hiring a better QB scout and evaluator before wasting more draft picks on bust and in trades. But they won’t.

    No it is the vikings who enjoy perpetual futility and error.
    _________

    They drafted Daunte Culpepper in 1999. He had one of the best QB seasons in history in 2004, which is why the Vikings weren’t in the market for Rodgers in 2005.

    Most of the QBs you listed were never intended to be the franchise QB. They hoped Jackson and Ponder would be. Favre was a short-term fix. Freeman was an unusual case where you could get a potential starter for nothing. The rest were brought in to be backups. That list of backup quarterbacks isn’t any longer than the list of backup quarterbacks the Packers have had on the roster this season!

  71. TBaySlim says: Oct 31, 2013 3:38 PM

    bobnelsonjr says:
    Oct 31, 2013 3:02 PM
    Since 1999 the vikings have drafted Tarvaris Jackson(traded up), Tyler Thigpen, John David Booty(traded up), Joe Webb, and Christian Ponder.

    During that time they have signed Bubby Brister, Spurgeon Wynn, Todd Bouman, Gus Frerotte, Brad Johnson, Koy Detmer, Brett Favre, and Josh Freeman.

    Also since 1999 they traded for Brooks Bollinger, Kelly Holcomb, Sage Rosenfels, and Donovan McNabb.

    They just never seem to know what they want at QB. They have had more than 16 QB’s on the roster and only Brett Favre was a success.

    Perhaps they should consider hiring a better QB scout and evaluator before wasting more draft picks on bust and in trades. But they won’t.

    No it is the vikings who enjoy perpetual futility and error.
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    Culpeper was drafted in 99 and was a pretty good QB for about 5 years until he blew out his knee, 3 time pro-bowler and 2004 had one of the best seasons in NFL history for a QB, Brad Johnson was a 9th round vikings draft pick who the vikings developed into a pro-bowler before they traded him to help draft Culpeper in 99, Bouman was from a small school in minnesota-St. Cloud ST and was undrafted, the vikings developed him—-lets see thigpen 7th rounder, webb 6th round drafted as a WR, Booty 5th round, Jackson 2nd and Ponder 1st, Jackson an Ponder were the ones drafted and expected to exceed, the others were given a try out for a few years like all late round draft choices, you cant fault them for that

    Bubby Brister was a back up to Culpepper, Spurgeon Wynn was a 3rd stringer that played once Culpeper and Bouman got hurt, Todd Bouman backed up Culpeper, Gus Frerotte backed up Culpeper, released, brought back backed up jackson and started most of 2008, Brad Johnson back up to Culpepper till 05 injury started 11 games after in 05, started some in 2006 2nd time with the team, Koy Detmer 3rd stringer never played and released, Brett Favre-09 had the best year of this career, and Josh Freeman.

    Also since 2006 they traded for Brooks Bollinger, Kelly Holcomb, Sage Rosenfels, and Donovan McNabb.—all of these guys combined didnt start more then 15 games- bollinger 3, holcomb 2, rosenfels-0 Mcfat-6

    Really its just been a miss of two high round QBs Jackson and Ponder, it sucks but thats the way it is

  72. Canned Heat says: Oct 31, 2013 3:43 PM

    vikes89allday says: Oct 31, 2013 2:58 PM

    With spielman still there on draft day the Vikings have a good chance on acquiring a few extra picks in the first round. Trade the high top 3 pick and a 2nd or 3rd, try to get a lower top 10 or 15 pick Marcus Mariota, a few extra picks to get back in the first round draft and one of the top defensive player’s like Anthony Barr from UCLA or Louis Nix from Notre Dame. The Vikings 2013 defense is hurting more then the offense. The Vikings could build off they’re already solid drafting in recent years…… Offense wins games but defense wins championships
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    The Vikes have absolutely NO depth whatsoever. So instead of trading down to acquire more picks and draft options, you would trade up and give away picks left and right for 2, maybe 3 guys, that may or may not prove to be whiffs or who could tweak a knee getting out of bed on the first day of camp? You’re the kind of guy that Las Vegas cannot get enough of.

    No offense man, but that is the exact opposite of what that team needs, and is exactly why there are big time Viking fans that lobby on the inside for a trade of Peterson for a boathouse full of picks. Don’t get me wrong, AP may be the best RB in the last decade, but even well educated and seasoned Viking fans knew when he signed a monster money deal that giving that much to a RB was risky. Soon you’ll have AP money tied up and handcuffing the team and God forbid you land a solid QB who signs a mega deal…there won’t be room for anyone but a water boy and the team plane’s stewardess.

    Call Ted Thompson and Jerry Jones and Bill Belichek anything you want to, but those guys build deep teams not based on the needs for tomorrow or next week, but for the future….not grabbing has-beens off the shelf to fill last second gaps.

  73. wallskol86 says: Oct 31, 2013 4:11 PM

    Jesus.. Can this season just be over already?! Sick and tired of being sick and tired of the Vikings this year!

  74. thestrategyexpert says: Oct 31, 2013 4:29 PM

    minnesoulja:

    Yeah it’s worth something. It’s worth something less though than they team would have enjoyed if I was the GM all this time. I have no NFL experience whatsoever and I’m already better than Spielman as a GM. It’s a huge difference, he loses millions of dollars whereas I would be doing the opposite by creating value instead of destroying it.

    And if somebody can do the job better, then the person doing the job and/or the results aren’t worth much, because whatever they are, they are substandard to the alternative of doing a brilliant job which is freely available when the owner is ready to put smart people in charge who understand the game and how to win at it.

  75. zerole00 says: Oct 31, 2013 4:32 PM

    What would be the point of salvaging the season? Ponder’s DEFINITELY not the answer, and remember he was widely considered a reach when the Vikings drafted him. Put Freeman in, that first game was a mess but he was there for all of 2 weeks. At best, you can determine if he’s a legitimate QB, at worst – you get a better draft pick.

    Going with Ponder is like shooting to be subpar.

  76. pootytang66 says: Oct 31, 2013 4:59 PM

    The person or persons who made the executive decision to take Christian Ponder over Ryan Mallett in that draft are the ones who should be canned!!!!

  77. vikingferd says: Oct 31, 2013 5:07 PM

    Teddy Bridgewater is out of the question for the Vikings. The Jaguars and Buccaneers are in the drivers’ seat and Adrian Peterson won’t give up on the season. I just hope they don’t over reach and take Johnny Manziel in the first round. DO YOU HEAR ME RICK SPIELMAN?? JOHNNY MANZIEL IS OVERRATED!!!

  78. mediumlebowski says: Oct 31, 2013 5:32 PM

    By all accounts, Les Frazier is a good man so I state this without malice or joy but it is time to clean house. My first thought when he was hired was that as a former DB himself the secondary should be much improved. The opposite is the case, and that reflects poorly upon his coaching.
    After getting his popsicle sucked immediately following the draft, Spielman’s moves are also looking poor at this stage.
    Time for one-way tickets out of towm.

  79. mefolts says: Oct 31, 2013 5:43 PM

    Can I ask a question? How did Bill Musgrave not get fired “Lane Kiffin” style after that S—fest against the Giants on Monday night. They decide to start Freeman, who has only been in town for 10 days after sitting at home, THROWS 53 TIMES AND A.P. only gets 13 CARRIES! First and foremost, Cassel got them their only win of the season and played way better than Ponder in doing so. Secondly, you don’t start a new QB who doesn’t know the play book, can’t audible at the line and has no repoire with his receivers. Thirdly and most importantly, ADRIAN PETERSON IS YOUR RUNNING BACK! MYP had 2000+ yards last year. He should have had 53 carries and Freeman should have had 13 attempts. FIRE FRAZIER, SPIELMAN AND MUSGRAVE!

  80. jobber33 says: Oct 31, 2013 5:48 PM

    This situation is reminding me of the one in Detroit when Matt Millen made TOP first round pick bust after bust. Guys like Joey Harrington, Mike Williams and Charlie Rogers to name a few. Yet, they decided to fire the coach every time until finally someone woke up and had a strong cup of coffee. Frazier didn’t draft Ponder or sign Cassell or Freeman, just like any other coach that is not the GM, you can only work with what the top dog signs. He can give his input but that doesn’t mean the GM will listen.

  81. gb4mn0 says: Oct 31, 2013 6:52 PM

    universalseeder305 says: Oct 31, 2013 1:39 PM

    With the 2ND pick in the 2014 NFL draft the Minnesota Vikings select Teddy Bridgewater.
    Book it!!!
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    Is this the same “book it” prediction that the queens would finish 11-5 or 12-4?

    Is this the same “book it” prediction that the queens would sweep the Pack because AP would run for 200+ yd. each game?

    Is this the same “book it” prediction that AP would pass Dickerson’s record after just 15 games?

    Or is this the same “book it” prediction the queens would win the SB?

    The only thing you lavender Larry toads should be booking is a ride on the bus of hair brain fools.

  82. 6kingswest says: Oct 31, 2013 7:48 PM

    Hey gb4(really 2…nobody in the 60′s gave a rats a$$ about the SB)mn0

    There is only one NFL team & and fan base that’s happy at the end of the every season.

    It won’t be your Edmonton Eskimo knockoffs or its fans!

    BOOK IT!

  83. 6kingswest says: Oct 31, 2013 7:52 PM

    and OHHHH that name ‘Lavender Larrys’ …did you get a brain cramp coming up with that one?

    I’m gonna start calling your team the Green Goobers!!! Take that!

  84. filthymcnasty1 says: Oct 31, 2013 8:00 PM

    Freeman misfire jeopardizes everyone’s job in Minnesota

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    Reading this piece you would think that Frazier and Spielman are the only people in MN with a job.

    And you’d be mostly right.

  85. 6kingswest says: Oct 31, 2013 8:09 PM

    filthymcnasty1 says:
    Oct 31, 2013 8:00 PM
    Freeman misfire jeopardizes everyone’s job in Minnesota

    *******************************************

    Reading this piece you would think that Frazier and Spielman are the only people in MN with a job.

    And you’d be mostly right.
    _______________________________

    That’s pretty comical coming from a town (not city, TOWN) full of (at best) tradesmen and truckdrivers!

  86. asherallencanttackle says: Oct 31, 2013 8:28 PM

    It’s too early to write Freeman off. He deserves a few more starts. You already know what Ponder and Cassel bring.

  87. gb4mn0 says: Oct 31, 2013 8:35 PM

    6kingswest says: Oct 31, 2013 7:48 PM

    Hey gb4(really 2…nobody in the 60′s gave a rats a$$ about the SB)mn0
    —————————————————-

    Funny then why would the 4 Lombardi’s in the HOF of the 13 Time NFL Champion Green Bay Packers all look exactly alike if the 2 wins in the 60′s don’t count?

    You always have been and will remain the underachieving, angry, ugly stepchild from the West that lives in the shadow of the greatness of that tiny town 300 miles to your east……Green Bay, WI. The home of the 4 time Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.

  88. gb4mn0 says: Oct 31, 2013 8:44 PM

    6kingswest says: Oct 31, 2013 7:52 PM

    and OHHHH that name ‘Lavender Larrys’ …did you get a brain cramp coming up with that one?

    I’m gonna start calling your team the Green Goobers!!! Take that!
    ————————————————-

    Green Goobers, Oh…..that’s so hurtful and so clever. Did your boyfriend help you come up with that one?

    I’m gonna stop calling you lavender Larry toads, lavender larry toads from now on…….

  89. jbvikes says: Oct 31, 2013 8:46 PM

    I think we need to lump the scouting dept. into this cluster___. To take Ponder over Dalton?? I think this year’s first rounders may pan out but not with this current coaching staff developing them. PLEASE don’t win any more games! The season is over!!

  90. filthymcnasty1 says: Oct 31, 2013 9:03 PM

    As the late great Bud Grant once famously said, “Viking fans are small people (figuratively, not literally) living small lives, beneath the giant shadow of the Green Bay Packers.”

    If the Packers were ever to stink as horribly as this latest incompetent Viking team, I would hope that our fanbase would react with the grace and class that they are renowned for around the world, and not like these self loathing MN peasants.

  91. dragonfly99 says: Oct 31, 2013 9:27 PM

    I think it’s very unfair to place all the blame for this debacle on Leslie Frazier. Firing Frazier and keeping Spielman will not solve their problems. The residents of Minnesota should have demanded a better product on the field before approving a billion dollar stadium for their New York City owners. Now it’s too late.

  92. halbert53 says: Oct 31, 2013 9:40 PM

    Letting a new coach and new GM use draft picks for a new franchise QB sounds good.

  93. hansenbrothers says: Oct 31, 2013 10:03 PM

    The Vikings are so pitiful

  94. packerenglishmajor says: Nov 1, 2013 6:08 AM

    If Freeman causes the Wilfs to clean house, I’m thinking maybe Freeman gets a spot in the ring of honor.

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