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Dolphins coaches, front office could take center stage in Incognito defense

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As the NFLPA attempts to strike the delicate balance between protecting the rights of Dolphins tackle Jonathan Martin and Dolphins (for now) guard Richie Incognito, one potential strategy for handling the dilemma of victim and bully could be to paint both men as, to a certain extent, victims.

While it’s not known what the NFLPA will do, one obvious strategy consists of exploring what the coaching staff and front office knew about the interactions between Incognito and Martin.  By making Incognito a member of the team’s six-man “leadership council” (the Dolphins don’t name captains), the Dolphins to a certain extent empowered him to dispense his own brand of leadership in the locker room — and validated his past efforts to lead.

Under that argument alone, the Dolphins could have some blame for giving a guy a position of leadership if there was reason to be concerned about the manner in which he would lead.  Based on his history, there arguably was.

The situation gets far more interesting once Incognito is interviewed by NFL officials.  Given his stream of angry tweets professing his innocence and demanding that his name be cleared, Incognito is either really stupid or he believed his interactions with Martin were appropriate.

Could Incognito claim that he was generally told to toughen up players who seem weak?  Could Incognito claim that he was specifically told to toughen up Martin?

The possibilities quickly mirror the plot of A Few Good Men.  While it’s unlikely that anyone from the Dolphins ordered a “Code Red” on Jonathan Martin, it’s not unreasonable to think that Incognito believed it was his job to ensure that teammates were as tough as he is when they’re all on the field together, trying to protect guys like quarterback Ryan Tannehill from being injured by the tough men who play for the opposing defenses.

One league source with knowledge of the situation believes that offensive line coach Jim Turner will become a focal point of the investigation.  Even if Turner didn’t nudge Incognito to toughen up Martin, Turner would have had more access to the interactions between Incognito and Martin than any other member of management.  What did Turner see?  What if anything did he say?

Then there’s the broader question of whether Incognito interacted with other players the same way.  Again, what did Turner see?  What if anything did Turner say?

The question becomes how deep the rabbit hole goes, and how high the league will climb the ladder to get there.  A year after the league threw the book at multiple members of Saints management for what turned out to be a broader cultural issue of bounties, the league eventually may have to decide whether to take action against Dolphins management, whether there’s a broader cultural issue at play, and whether that makes a difference if it appears that Incognito wasn’t simply acting on his own.

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  1. hehateme2 says: Nov 5, 2013 10:30 AM

    What about some news on the Dolphins big win over the Bengals last Thursday? Snapped their 4 game winning streak and beat them for 2 years in a row…Overtime win with Tannehill driving them to a tie with 1:00 on the clock and no timeouts left?

    Shouldn’t the focus be on football? ><

  2. beachsidejames says: Nov 5, 2013 10:33 AM

    Mr Steroid rage or Mr Softee? Who do you want protecting your QB?

  3. chiadam says: Nov 5, 2013 10:36 AM

    Of course they will defend him. How better to justify their gross stupidity and staggering lack of control that allowed this to happen in the first place?

  4. fm31970 says: Nov 5, 2013 10:36 AM

    The common thread – Jeff Ireland’s presence.

  5. qdog112 says: Nov 5, 2013 10:38 AM

    “… Incognito is either really stupid or he believed his interactions with Martin were appropriate.”
    ***********************
    If he thought his interactions were appropriate, that too would be “really stupid”, in itself.

  6. jonevans83 says: Nov 5, 2013 10:39 AM

    No, the only question that matters outside of a “bullying” angle is: Why did Martin wait until NOVEMBER to say something that bothered him THAT much? Why that particular day? when he was buddies with Incognito on video for months since? The more logically explanation is that The media/fan bashing over the O-line woes got to someone who already had emotional issues that are documented and have been under treatment. He then leaves the team and figures he needs a solid reasoning for doing so, which leads to a 6 month old voice mail as the ONLY accusation. So what exactly did Incognito do recently that caused this? Something caused it to happen that particular day… so what was it?

  7. flash1283 says: Nov 5, 2013 10:39 AM

    Now the Fish are welcomed to the “ring” with the Yets.
    The 3 “ring” circus.

    Hey fish fans remember when your team was 3-0 and you thought you had something. Remember “we are going to fight for the division”

    And yes Jet fans as long as Rex is your coach your team will be a circus.

  8. doctorrustbelt says: Nov 5, 2013 10:39 AM

    The fact is the Miami Dolphins swept richie incognito’s assault of a club bouncer in August 2013 under the rug says a lot.

  9. tavisteelersfan says: Nov 5, 2013 10:39 AM

    I heard a guy on SiriusXM radio this morning call in and set a bar for this conversation. He talked about having been taunted in the military and one day snapping and blacking out and almost killing a guy, only through the intervention of some others did it not happen.

    His point … Jonathan Martin walked away. He should be praised for exercising that good judgement. Too many people snap and violence is the outcome. People are shot, hurt, etc. The right move is if it is getting too hard … walk away.

    Maybe Martin is the strongest guy in this slice of life.

  10. assuredmutualdestruction says: Nov 5, 2013 10:43 AM

    Incognito is just a meathead athlete imo. The media is portraying him as “diabolically evil” and “kkk racist”. Seems a little over the top to me. I’d like to hear the audio on the voicemail because the media reads the transcript of it like it’s an Adolph Hitler speech. Honestly, if his other teammates didn’t have a problem with it, I think Martin needed to put his big boy pants on and punch the guy in the mouth. Just another example of how the media grabs the race card and runs with it.

  11. 69finfan says: Nov 5, 2013 10:44 AM

    You’re damn right I ordered the code red!

  12. blacknole08 says: Nov 5, 2013 10:45 AM

    There is NO excuse or defense for Incognito using the racial slurs or threatening someones family, albeit their mom!! Kick this clown out the league!

  13. FinFan68 says: Nov 5, 2013 10:46 AM

    That is an absurd argument and it would be difficult for even the most dubious of lawyers to argue that with a straight face. You are in essence implying that the Dolphins organization officially encouraged Incognito to threaten and racially harass Martin. BS! Even if Martin needed to toughen up a bit, and even if Incognito took it upon himself to try and do it (or if he was told to), Incognito alone is responsible for the threats and racism. To suggest otherwise is simply sensationalism and click-hunting.

  14. thedoubleentandres says: Nov 5, 2013 10:46 AM

    “Im just curious Mr Philbin…you said Johnathan Martin was to be transferred off the roster the next morning but he hadnt packed a single bag and he hadnt made one phone call”

    “Im afraid I cant answer about the travel habits of Johnathan Martin…maybe he was a light traveller….maybe he didnt have any friends”

    “did you order the code red????”

    “YOUR GOD DAMN RIGHT I DID!!!!!!”

  15. salarycapguru says: Nov 5, 2013 10:47 AM

    Joe philbin already said in pressed that leadership council is voted on by the players. Coaches do not choose the players

  16. onlythebest36 says: Nov 5, 2013 10:47 AM

    “You Can’t Handle the Truth!”

  17. vegasdestroyer says: Nov 5, 2013 10:48 AM

    Expect ESPN to call for the firings of the coach and GM for the abuser cover-up and vacating all the Dolphin victories.

  18. gallopinggilmore says: Nov 5, 2013 10:48 AM

    Sounds like they are trying to cover their own butts.

  19. purpleguy says: Nov 5, 2013 10:49 AM

    With that guy’s history, the Dolphins’ naming him to a team leadership position is negligence per se.

  20. doctormantistoboggan says: Nov 5, 2013 10:49 AM

    Dolphins have not been rocked by a scandal since Snowflake went missing in 1994.

  21. dretwann says: Nov 5, 2013 10:49 AM

    Leave it to a lawyer to make a simple issue complex. No such thing as personal responsibility anymore is there? he is a grown man who should know/understand right from wrong and man enough to refuse anything resembling wrong.

  22. Neftali Ramos says: Nov 5, 2013 10:49 AM

    Love the picture.

  23. cuda1234 says: Nov 5, 2013 10:50 AM

    Let’s recap: Incognito has been a solid player and citizen since he joined the team five years ago. He’s been to the Pro Bowl and won awards for his off-field behaviour. He was named to the leadership committee. He’s probably drawn more penalties than he’s committed.

    Why isn’t anyone defending Martin? Where are his Dolphins teammates? Where are Jim Harbaugh, Andrew Luck and other Stanford associates? What was the book on him coming out of college? What were the red flags? Does he have a history of causing problems?

    Shouldn’t BOTH players supposedly involved in a dispute be investigated?

  24. titansbro says: Nov 5, 2013 10:51 AM

    I kinda doubt the coaches would have ever suggested that Incognito leave racist voicemails or threaten the lives of Martin or his family even if they did want Martin to toughen up. I guess it’s just what lawyers try to do, but to see the suggestion that they try to pin the actions of this moron on someone else is disheartening. Whatever happened to punishing the guilty & the guilty only?

  25. scottyhammer says: Nov 5, 2013 10:51 AM

    Incognito to the NFL investigators:

    “YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!”

  26. ivanpavlov0000 says: Nov 5, 2013 10:52 AM

    For the sake of argument, let’s say the Dolphins gave Incognito a green light to toughen up the offensive line and build them in his own image.

    They’ve given up 35 sacks so far this season. Whatever Incognito was doing as the leader of that unit was a massive failure. That also goes for o-line coach Jim Turner. They failed to rally the o-line into a solid unit where every man had the other’s back.

    And if the Dolphin’s sanctioned Incognito’s abuse, this is going to get very interesting.

  27. farvite says: Nov 5, 2013 10:52 AM

    Not sure Philbin will get Jessuped. Trumped seems more likely.

  28. sfcomms says: Nov 5, 2013 10:54 AM

    Your post implies that the coaches put Richie in a leadership position. Dolphins players elect the team’s leadership council, not the coaches.

  29. tannethrill says: Nov 5, 2013 11:01 AM

    First off I like Ireland and I’m content with Philbin. I believe the two are attatched in terms of employment.

    That said this is turning into a mess that can only be dismissed with winning. Absent a strong finish and trip to the playoffs I believe this could be the straw that breaks the camels back.

    The only way I see Philbin outlasting Ireland at this point is if Ireland becomes the fall guy for keeping Incognito and Co. around. In that case I could see Dawn Apponte getting the GM gig with Philbin getting a season to have final say on the roster. Failure would lead to a big name in 2015 ala Cowher, Gruden, blah, blah, blah.

    Crossing my finger for a strong finish. Maybe this kind of attention is what the players need to focus on the important problems at hand.

  30. golions1 says: Nov 5, 2013 11:03 AM

    Drama. Football is not a game for victims. Martin did the right thing in quitting.

  31. redmanalishi says: Nov 5, 2013 11:03 AM

    As a Dolphins fan I’m very angry at what is going on here. This team is dysfunctional, and that can’t be isolated to two guys and a phone message. Is Richie a bully and a dirty player with character problems? Is Martin weak? I don’t know, but who brought them in to play in the same cage together? Ireland.

    Is the rest of the line involved in this? Did the line coach know or encourage this? Did the head coach know? Who is responsible for the culture, top to bottom, that allows this to go on at a player, line, and coaching level? Ireland.

    Step 1: fix the culture. Get rid of the worst GM in the NFL. End the decade of disgrace and fire Ireland. Then you can cut the bully and work with Martin to see if he is interested in re-starting his career. Hopefully Tannehill will survive the blitzkrieg that awaits him this season.

  32. jessefootball says: Nov 5, 2013 11:04 AM

    I read in an article that Martin met with Coach Philbin about this back in March (apparently it’s been going on since he was drafted last year).

    Philbin said he thought it was “taken care of” since that meeting.

    Talk about passing the buck! And he didn’t even pass it to anybody.

    Now that’s poor leadership–if you’re the HC, you MAKE SURE it’s taken care of.

    I say clean house, and boot Philbin out along with Ireland (who is, not incidentally, also known for poor judgment).

    And show the door to Incognito, and any of the rest of those lineman who lack leadership abilities and follow a guy like Incognito.

  33. beachsidejames says: Nov 5, 2013 11:07 AM

    You think Jack Lambert would have walk out on his team steelerfan?

  34. norseyapper says: Nov 5, 2013 11:07 AM

    The truth? You can’t handle the truth!

    nice pic

  35. bennyb82 says: Nov 5, 2013 11:08 AM

    When there is a rogue personality like Incognito on a team, you would think there would be at least a couple guys on the team who would set him straight. But how is that going to happen when Incognito is on the “leadership committee” or whatever they call it.

  36. bobert0219 says: Nov 5, 2013 11:08 AM

    You’re kidding right? Racial slurs and threatening to kill one’s family because of a directive from the teams coaching staff to “toughen Martin up”. That is a ridiculous stretch in an attempt to force an even more ridiculous theory/story…

  37. serkeljerks says: Nov 5, 2013 11:09 AM

    It’s inconceivable to me that there are people who openly condone Incognito’s actions. Perhaps Martin was a soft personality………but does that warrant leaving messages to kill him, call him the n-word (enter Louis CK on that note) and say you’re going to punch his mother? Gee, call me old-fashioned but I say no.

    The sad part is those that uphold Incognito have yet to learn that in their efforts to take respect (bully) they’ve simply lived a life where they can’t even respect themselves..and that’s the big tragedy.

  38. danthman42 says: Nov 5, 2013 11:11 AM

    I’m a dolphins fan, but if you all think putting incognito on the leadership council is an embarrassment, which it is…just wait until all the details emerge on another member of the council, and close friend of aaron hernandez, mike pouncey. Maybe this whole thing will teach the coaches that players are as bad at electing officials as the general public.

  39. assuredmutualdestruction says: Nov 5, 2013 11:13 AM

    jonevans83 says:Nov 5, 2013 10:39 AM

    No, the only question that matters outside of a “bullying” angle is: Why did Martin wait until NOVEMBER to say something that bothered him THAT much? Why that particular day? when he was buddies with Incognito on video for months since? The more logically explanation is that The media/fan bashing over the O-line woes got to someone who already had emotional issues that are documented and have been under treatment. He then leaves the team and figures he needs a solid reasoning for doing so, which leads to a 6 month old voice mail as the ONLY accusation. So what exactly did Incognito do recently that caused this? Something caused it to happen that particular day… so what was it?
    ————————————————-
    I couldn’t agree more. It seems like his teammates want to support Incognito if it wasn’t for the media buttering up the race card like a breakfast biscuit.

  40. beachsidejames says: Nov 5, 2013 11:15 AM

    You want to change things you needed to do that in the off season. Not mid season. You not just hurting Incognito ( who probably deserves severe punishment)..your hurting all the players that worked very hard and alot of others too. Character issues? They both have them.

  41. boobsmcgoo says: Nov 5, 2013 11:15 AM

    This is a great article and a great angle. I would watch the movie.

  42. neilpountney says: Nov 5, 2013 11:17 AM

    Any comparison between people in the Military and an NFL locker room is ridiculous. What Incognito has allegedly done is disgusting and has no place in any environment, he needs to go and people need to quit drawing ANY lines between people serving their country and playing a game!!!

  43. dvnelson72 says: Nov 5, 2013 11:23 AM

    Just saw this on a forum and I think it is the most logical explanation for the way this narrative has evolved:
    ———————–

    1. Jon Martin has a nervous breakdown, quits, checks into rehab.
    2. Dolphins decide they don’t want to pay him (paging Dawn Aponte) and say they’re going to put him on the NFI list.
    3. Martin’s agent and representation release a ****storm on Miami.

    In fact, the more I think about this – follow the money – the more I’m convinced this is exactly what happened. And you know what, it would explain Richie’s dad’s reaction, too. Dawn Aponte and Jeff Ireland need to be fired immediately.

  44. tmar1961 says: Nov 5, 2013 11:24 AM

    This is the NFL people, arguably the most violent physical MANS sport out there and rookie hazing will always be a part of it. This is a gathering of 52 Alpha males in the same place and no matter your credentials all rookies must prove their worth to be in that elite club and if you think that’s going to change you are fooling yourself. Its the NFL, you WANT your front lines to be mean and nasty. That being said, Incognito took it to far and the other players should have stopped it before it got this far. Martin should have stepped out long before it got this far and reported this terrorism by Incognito or stood up for himself.

  45. officialgame says: Nov 5, 2013 11:24 AM

    Putting a guy like Incognito in a leadership role is akin to hiring a fox to run your chicken farm. Not to bright are the Dolphins coaches and front office.

  46. dirtysouthironmen says: Nov 5, 2013 11:28 AM

    So does this mean I lose my title as “Dirtiest Player in the Game?”

    Signed—Ndamukong Suh

  47. radrntn says: Nov 5, 2013 11:29 AM

    “you can’t handle the truth” and the truth is Icognito will have plenty of offers from other teams, but there won’t be a team that would want Martin in their locker room because of his actions.

  48. thereep says: Nov 5, 2013 11:31 AM

    Ace Ventura will get to the bottom of this. Finkle is Einhorn. Martin is Finkle. Incognito is Einhorn.

  49. xpensivewinos says: Nov 5, 2013 11:31 AM

    The Dolphins are just one big steaming pile of s*** and it will not end until Ireland is fired. He’s the common denominator in every ridiculous, embarrassing and pathetic football-related thing that’s happened to the Miami Dolphins over the past five years…….and that includes hiring the current head coach.

    Well done.

  50. osiris33 says: Nov 5, 2013 11:32 AM

    What’s so horrible about that voicemail? Guys talk to each other like that all the time. Sounds like Incognito was just trying to get on a lazy teammate who had missed some offseason workouts. Big deal. Just because that kind of language is outlawed in the liberal media doesn’t mean guys don’t rip each other.

  51. leatherhelmets says: Nov 5, 2013 11:34 AM

    Linebacker Dannell Ellerbe said that if Martin had an issue with Incognito or any other teammate, he should have gone to Ellerbe or another member of the team’s leadership council — a group of six players that is used in place of team captains.

    The leadership council acts as a liaison between players and coaches. Incognito was a member of the council.

    “We would have tried to handle it the best way possible,” Ellerbe said.

    The leadership council???
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  52. truths4all says: Nov 5, 2013 11:38 AM

    Anyone dare make the connection that the Fins beat the division leader Bengals WITHOUT MARTIN?

    Was Martin such a soft and cuddly player that he simply did not carry his own load and the rest of the team knew this? Then in his absence, the team performs many levels higher?

    Incognito has known as a dirty player, but being a bigoted one has never been ever mentioned or brought up as an issue.

  53. beerbudsnbevo says: Nov 5, 2013 11:39 AM

    The minute he mentioned his mom, he should have broken Incognitos jaw.

  54. cliverush says: Nov 5, 2013 11:40 AM

    Philbin stated he had a meeting with Martin’s parents, who are two successful professional people. What was discussed? Was it the fine weather in So. Florida or the team building philosophy of the ‘Fins organization. The mother is a lawyer and is most likely the one who advised her son to abandon this crew of degenerates and losers.

  55. mannyicey says: Nov 5, 2013 11:43 AM

    I never played in the NFL, but I was a really small, short kid who played football in high school. I was also a D-1 prospect, but decided to pursue another scholarship.

    So I was harassed when I first start playing varsity ball. I was picked on by a lineman, as well as another kid that played strong safety.

    So I stood my ground and fought that lineman. Who was two times my size. And lost that fight. And got that respect. And started. And went All-Conference.

    I saw this all the time. I thought it was football. This is actually the first time that I saw anyone take out legal action.

  56. assuredmutualdestruction says: Nov 5, 2013 11:43 AM

    Here’s a little exercise for the Incognito haters. Take a look at your own text messages and imagine them being read alound by a sportscaster or newsperson…

    …yeah, that’s what I thought.

  57. Dan Marcinkowski says: Nov 5, 2013 11:43 AM

    All I know is the Dolphins won without these two guys on the O-line against a very good Bengals team and the Line looked better than in previous weeks.

    The back-ups did well and hopefully they play well again next week against the Bucs.

    Dolphins will be in playoffs. Everyone who cares about this issue on Incog and Martin likes to hate on the Dolphins and I’m sick of it.

  58. zerole00 says: Nov 5, 2013 11:47 AM

    Let’s recap: Incognito has been a solid player and citizen since he joined the team five years ago. He’s been to the Pro Bowl and won awards for his off-field behaviour. He was named to the leadership committee. He’s probably drawn more penalties than he’s committed.

    Why isn’t anyone defending Martin? Where are his Dolphins teammates? Where are Jim Harbaugh, Andrew Luck and other Stanford associates? What was the book on him coming out of college? What were the red flags? Does he have a history of causing problems?

    Shouldn’t BOTH players supposedly involved in a dispute be investigated?

    ———————————————————–

    Why would Martin need anyone to defend him? The racial slurs and death threats Incognito left on his voicemail do a lot more for his side than some outsider’s opinion.

  59. deflateddome says: Nov 5, 2013 11:50 AM

    This sounds like a job for Sharpton and jackson….It will give them something to do

  60. mrbigass says: Nov 5, 2013 11:52 AM

    Suspend them all if they knew what was going on and suspend them all if they were too clueless to see what was going on…..

  61. slugbaitspace says: Nov 5, 2013 11:57 AM

    “Incognito is either really stupid or he believed his interactions with Martin were appropriate”
    ———————–
    Wait…if he thought his interactions with Martin were appropriate, wouldn’t that alone prove that he’s really stupid?

  62. sod61 says: Nov 5, 2013 11:57 AM

    I own a company with around 40 employees. I do not begin to claim to know everything that goes on between my employees in regards to bullying, sexual harassment, etc. The only thing I can do is lay out the standards in our company handbook in regards to code of conduct and then investigate any claims that arise, gather relevant information, and then render a decision that is consistent with our company code of conduct. If the Dolphins did this the organization should be fine, if they knew this was going on and did nothing, we are looking at a Saints Bountygate type of situation.

  63. jaychristsays says: Nov 5, 2013 12:07 PM

    Incognito is an awful person and I don’t care that the Dolphins suspended him because isn’t very good, but what annoys me is this media narrative that sweet, innocent Jonathan Martin quit because he was bullied so badly by Richie Incognito that he could no longer do his job. Jonathan Martin slammed down a lunch tray on a Monday afternoon over a prank that even the most hormonal teen shouldn’t get angry about. That’s what we know. He quit on 52 other people in that locker room, in a shortened week three days before a game, on a team hadn’t won for 35 days. HE QUIT. And I don’t want to hear “HE QUIT, yeah, but look at what Incognito said to him 6 months ago!”

    Not only did Martin quit on his teammates but he also potentially ruined what they’ve worked all year for. Whether or not he’s the victim (and I don’t believe he is given the timeline of everything), he went about it the wrong way. He might have ruined the season of a team that’s paid him roughly $2.5 million since 2012, spoiled the efforts of 52 other guys and ruined a couple careers along the way.

  64. kona8190 says: Nov 5, 2013 12:07 PM

    The news media is just eating this up. They don’t care that 53 other players are trying to make a living and a team is trying to save a season.
    There are more moving parts to this than are currently exposed and they should know this.
    Martin will never be excepted in a locker room again, he signed his own walking papers.
    Incognito did nothing wrong other than use the N word and that is bad enough but not a reason to never play again.
    This is not a Phins issue alone, this is a league wide issue and it’s time for the media to stop trying to put out the fire with gasoline.

  65. ufanforreal says: Nov 5, 2013 12:11 PM

    neilpountney says: Nov 5, 2013 11:17 AM

    Any comparison between people in the Military and an NFL locker room is ridiculous. What Incognito has allegedly done is disgusting and has no place in any environment, he needs to go and people need to quit drawing ANY lines between people serving their country and playing a game!!!
    ——————————————————
    Were you ever in the military? If so you know better, if you weren’t shut up’

  66. mogogo1 says: Nov 5, 2013 12:28 PM

    I’d say the odds of the coaches or front office defending Incognito are zero, as that would shift the blame directly onto themselves.

  67. jynxer says: Nov 5, 2013 12:34 PM

    Philbin: You want answers?
    Goodelle: I think I’m entitled to them.
    Philbin: You want answers?
    Goodelle: I want the truth!
    Philbin: You can’t handle the truth! ….
    Goodelle: Did you order the code red?
    Philbin: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do.
    Goodelle: Did you order the code red?
    Philbin: You’re goddamn right I did!!!!

  68. tavisteelersfan says: Nov 5, 2013 12:35 PM

    beachsidejames, If Lambert were on this Dolphin’s team, I’d guess Incognito would’ve pissed himself before taunting a team mate.

  69. tavisteelersfan says: Nov 5, 2013 12:39 PM

    I’d say the Dolphin’s problem on the O-Line is that Pouncey is caught up in his own nonsense with the Hernandez thing. In Pittsburgh, his brother is the leader on the line, end of discussion. In Miami, it seems like a vacuum and guys like Incognito take advantage of it.

  70. pacopicopiedra says: Nov 5, 2013 12:40 PM

    As a Dolphins fan, this is so disappointing. I thought we finally had a respectable head coach – the first since Shula. I guess not. The days of Shula and Marino are a distant memory. There are no leaders on the offense. Tannehill needs to step up and take charge.

  71. loganville11 says: Nov 5, 2013 12:43 PM

    Here’s something else to think about. If RI left some of those messages, they are very close to Florida’s (and most other states) definition of terroristic threats. A felony in Florida and most states.

  72. jimmyt says: Nov 5, 2013 12:43 PM

    The Fins are the only team with this type of issue. The rest’s locker rooms that should be the model for workplaces around the world.

  73. doggeatdogg says: Nov 5, 2013 12:44 PM

    If this rabbit hole gets any deeper, we will come out through somebody’s basement in China.

    It’s a nightmare. I’m sure Luck was no part of this.

    Put the gas cans away please. It’s all speculation even though the guillotines are going up and somebody read Jeff name on a list.

    And BTW, remember the Riley brouhaha and his team mates did not rescue him although he may have used that word amongst them. Richie used the same word with the Dolphins black players and, well, nothing. His drunken taped performance tells you all. The word is wrong, don’t use it, and that applies to all players, and none should condone it. Just and idea for the the NFL.

  74. mack2x says: Nov 5, 2013 12:45 PM

    The fact that in this day and age we use the term “bullying” to label an issue (as messed up as it is) between two grown men who make a living forcing their will on and kicking the crap out of other grown men, kind of blows my mind.

  75. tavisteelersfan says: Nov 5, 2013 12:51 PM

    Does anyone remember how the Prince Amukamara bullying incidents/reports ended in NY. I have a feeling the Giants organization shut that whole reporting stream down. They’re a lot tougher than the Dolphins organization.

  76. joewilliesshnoz says: Nov 5, 2013 12:53 PM

    Only one way to solve this. . .Thunderdome ! Two men enter, one man leave.

  77. nicksabansanahole says: Nov 5, 2013 12:53 PM

    How come every article you write about this you ignore all of the black dolphins players interviews where they say they are stunned and did not see Incognito acting this way? Why did he put up with that stuff. Why did no other players come out and sat something when they saw this stuff happening.? Something is fishy about this and I want to see some investigative reporting instead of wild speculation from media types.

  78. thewizardofbs says: Nov 5, 2013 12:53 PM

    Miami-Dade police are considering arresting both Incognito and Martin on charges of Felony Stupidity

  79. Kayne East says: Nov 5, 2013 12:59 PM

    I think we are missing some key figures in all of this. Lets not forgte to place blame on George W Bush for this. This coaching staff inherited the worst offensive line in history, or something like that. And I am fairly certain we can place an equal amount of blame on Bill Belichick, because of some video taping efforts 10 years ago when Martin was 13 years old. I am sure that has a negative impact on this situation. And lastly, it is probably the name Redskins that set him off, if the Washington football club wasnt named Redskins, and W was never President, and Belichick never video taped, none of this would have happened. But this is all speculation based on what I have learned from the comments section over the last 8 years

  80. doggeatdogg says: Nov 5, 2013 1:03 PM

    @dvnelson72– A plausible theory, but Ross has been an absentee owner and left Ireland to run the team into the ground. Ross is the anti Jerry Jones.

    For whatever reason he still trust the man and even extended his contrast. This event may serve as a catalyst for a dramatic change including a desire to sell the team. I don’t dislike the man, I just don’t like his approach to running a football team. He’s a rookie owner but does he have to act like one.

    This is not just a black eye on a once proud franchise, it is a severe beating with a baseball bat. And by extension, the union, Goodell, and the NFL will share in the pain from the beating.

    I just heard on radio the name Jonathan Martin’s name and the term ‘transformational figure’ used in the same sentence. So true.

  81. arrruserious says: Nov 5, 2013 1:08 PM

    “Laces out”
    - Ray Finkle

  82. glac1 says: Nov 5, 2013 1:09 PM

    Icognito…..Suh….. Both from Nebraska……????

  83. thesageofthestreet says: Nov 5, 2013 1:18 PM

    Florio asks…. “Incognito is either really stupid or he believed his interactions with Martin were appropriate”…..I think we all know the answer to that is…..no question its stupid.

  84. clssylssy says: Nov 5, 2013 1:54 PM

    The locker room is a workplace and this is BIG business; what Incognito did was illegal and the franchise could be held liable for not providing a safe workplace for it’s employees (the players). The racial slurs, the physical threats, the continued harassment, many occurred in the workplace by another employee. This isn’t a Hollywod movie or a military boot camp but private enterprise. I would think that the NFL and the Player’s Association would want to get out front of this and take measures to make sure that this does not happen again, as well as, get some psychiatric help for Incognito, Martin and anyone else that were victims in this. According to NFL Live, Incognito has a well documented history of “incidents” going back to college and who is to say this isn’t some sort of psychotic break that is a result of prolonged head trauma??? That would be my angle if I was his lawyer, but, the fact remains that it is time to stop this before more episodes ruin football all together.

  85. jziii says: Nov 5, 2013 1:58 PM

    “…the league eventually may have to decide whether to take action against Dolphins management, whether there’s a broader cultural issue at play, and whether that makes a difference if it appears that Incognito wasn’t simply acting on his own.”
    ______________

    Don’t forget: “…and how far overboard Goodell will go to punish everyone involved before Paul Tagliabue has to step in again and calm things down.”

  86. vegasdestroyer says: Nov 5, 2013 1:59 PM

    FLASH: Louie Free reportedly is investigating the cover-up.

  87. kona8190 says: Nov 5, 2013 2:01 PM

    Firemen have a brotherhood. police have a brotherhood, the military has a brotherhood, wall street for God’s sake have a brotherhood. Things go on within that are not for the public to try to understand, and for that matter, try to understand. It’s just the way it is.
    There is enough blame here to go around, the media has to stop propelling this like they know the facts, how it went down, all they have done is offer various opinions, and we all what opinions are like, if you don’t they are like the media. We have one statement released which indicates Rickie was a bad boy The facts at some point will come out and we will all know who we choose to hate. There are 3 sides to every story, all we have is 2.

  88. onbucky96 says: Nov 5, 2013 2:07 PM

    Col. Jessup was a great American.

  89. bradleybt says: Nov 5, 2013 2:26 PM

    osiris33 says: Nov 5, 2013 11:32 AM

    What’s so horrible about that voicemail? Guys talk to each other like that all the time. Sounds like Incognito was just trying to get on a lazy teammate who had missed some offseason workouts. Big deal. Just because that kind of language is outlawed in the liberal media doesn’t mean guys don’t rip each other.

    —————————–

    Richie Incognito??? Is that you???

  90. kona8190 says: Nov 5, 2013 2:53 PM

    No opinions or interviews with Andrew Luck, or Big Jim from the 49ers or anyone who played with Martin at Stanford.. Come on news media where are you when we need you. Can anyone comment on Martin besides someone from ESPN who only care about ratings.
    He went home, he had enough of football and the football environment, contacted his agent, his agent found a way to keep the cash flowing, that’s what we have today. It’s about money.

  91. mannyicey says: Nov 5, 2013 4:56 PM

    Oh, and another time-

    My eldest son was 5 years old at the time when he started to play football and we played in the “inner city.” He played there for a while before we moved out to the suburbs.

    Well during one of his first practices, they were running laps and one kid was literally kicking my son in the back and making him fall. The coach saw it and fixed it, but when he told the parents, his father acted like it was no big deal. So my immediate thought was to kick him in the back, just to show him what it felt like- but I imagined myself going to jail.

    So I took my 5 year-old over to the side and told him “Son, I can’t fight your battles for you when it comes to these kids. The reason why is because I can’t fight these kids and if I try to fight the parents, I go to jail. So it’s best to fight your battles with kids on your own.”

    And he handled it right there on the football field by getting better and not scared. He ended up gaining everyone’s respect and no one has ever tried to bully him on that team.

    So as a father, I thought my sons that people should respect them. I taught them to respect others. I taught them to stand up for themselves if someone ever tries to bully them. I also taught them how to defend themselves if it came to that. And I taught them that if they see bullying to protect those who cannot protect themselves. Because that’s what men do.

  92. kona8190 says: Nov 5, 2013 5:59 PM

    A 2nd round bust, Philbin & Ireland know it.
    Look at what a bad pick does to a team.
    Martin is a waste, well said Rickie, nobody else had the balls to do anything about it. BUT the use of the N word was out of line, totally.

  93. Sammy Young says: Nov 6, 2013 3:17 AM

    I agree with what Rich Gannon said today on Sirus XM NFL channel… with ALL the people that interact with the players on a daily basis: waterboys, equipment managers, groundsmen, lunch room employees, medical staff, team staff- and then add-in all the other players (especially the veteran players), all the different coaches, the guys who tape the players up for practice, etc, etc, etc… and yet NOBODY saw this happening or saw it but didn’t try to intervene? I am really having trouble accepting that…

  94. TheWild Webster says: Nov 6, 2013 3:59 PM

    We just want the truth!

    “The Truth? You can’t handle the truth! You weep for Martin, and you curse the Miami Dolphins. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Martin’s humiliation, while embarassing, probably saved plays. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins football games. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that sideline!!! You need me on that sideline!!!”

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