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Dolphins teammates say Incognito not viewed as racist

Richie Incognito, Jonathan Martin AP

It remains possible, even likely, that suspended Dolphins guard Richie Incognito is a bully and a jerk.

But according to former teammates, he’s not viewed as a racist within the locker room (despite leaving racial slurs on Jonathan Martin’s voicemail).

According to Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald, Incognito was more accepted by African American teammates than Martin was.

Richie is honorary,” a former Dolphins player who knew both said. “I don’t expect you to understand because you’re not black. But being a black guy, being a brother is more than just about skin color. It’s about how you carry yourself. How you play. Where you come from. What you’ve experienced. A lot of things.”

Three Dolphins who were willing to be named (Mike Wallace, Brent Grimes and Michael Egnew) all said they don’t consider Incognito to be a racist.

And while the question of whether Incognito would be viewed in the same light as Eagles wide receiver Riley Cooper pales in comparison to the other charges, it’s obviously a factor to some there.

But it shouldn’t be.

A co-worker who contributes to or creates a hostile work environment should be the one being questioned in this situation.

A player who raises the issue of his own workplace safety should not have to answer questions about whether he’s tough enough to continue in that job.

And the notion that a player might be considered “more black” than another — or that it would excuse certain behaviors — is simply a twisted view on race relations and perhaps a symptom of the internal insanity that would allow it to happen.

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64 Responses to “Dolphins teammates say Incognito not viewed as racist”
  1. primenumber19 says: Nov 6, 2013 2:02 PM

    It’s official, time to fire, trade and cut every member of the team not named tannehill.

  2. assuredmutualdestruction says: Nov 6, 2013 2:03 PM

    There’s a word for people like Richie Incognito…

    …scapegoat.

  3. getsome99 says: Nov 6, 2013 2:03 PM

    What if the complaint filed by Martin IS considered frivolous and it IS determined that he’s not “tough enough” to be an NFL player? The voice mail was inappropriate and the Dolphins reacted appropriately when they were finally presented with it. In the court of public opinion, Incognito is being perceived as a racist based on the voice mail, so why is there an issue with teammates weighing in on this topic? Nobody is suggesting that just because Icognito may not actually be a racist that he’s off the hook for the vm he left on Martin’s phone.

  4. getsome99 says: Nov 6, 2013 2:04 PM

    Cameron Wake too?

  5. djmcba says: Nov 6, 2013 2:04 PM

    Where in the article did it say any teammate claimed incognito was considered more black than Martin??

    Keep pushing your agenda- the point you are missing is that you keep saying Martin went through the appropriate channels. He did not. He went to the media rather than the administration. That is the proper channel. The media is not the only channel that was available.

    Nonetheless, Incognito is the one in the wrong and should never play NFL football again. Martin is not wrong, he simply could have handled the situation better.

    -Fins Dan

  6. patriotinvasion says: Nov 6, 2013 2:06 PM

    It seems obvious that Incognito was so well liked and accepted by black teammates that they gave him what’s called a “pass”. Basically, he was allowed to use the “N” word as freely as young black athletes do when interacting with each other. This version lacks the malice of the real word and is as common as calling someone “man” or “bro.” Old media guys aren’t privy to this I guess.

  7. nflofficeadmin says: Nov 6, 2013 2:07 PM

    Can’t we get Oprah to figure this all out for us?

  8. dolphin80 says: Nov 6, 2013 2:08 PM

    I think we can extend that to guys not named Ellerbe, Hartline, and Miller.

  9. tfaulk says: Nov 6, 2013 2:09 PM

    “A co-worker who contributes to or creates a hostile work environment should be the one being questioned in this situation.”

    As far as the situation is being limited to the harassment allegation sure. However, it is not being limited to that issue now and is bigger than that: people are claiming that Richie is a racist, scumbag, psychopath, who has threatened to murder someone.

    In which case, it is perfectly appropriate to question these broad allegations now being slung at Incognito as well.

  10. farvite says: Nov 6, 2013 2:10 PM

    The team ordered the hit.

    Incognito carried it out.

    Both of those issues should and will be dealt with.

    Martin bailed on his team and teammates. Football is a team sport. He invited criticism and deserves any heaped upon him.

    Walking out may have been all he knew to do to deal with the situation. But the NFL, teams and it’s players will never stand behind quitters.

  11. nathpz says: Nov 6, 2013 2:10 PM

    Honorary black man? I’d love to see him use that as an excuse for dropping the n-word on Martin over and over.

  12. myspaceyourface says: Nov 6, 2013 2:12 PM

    I love how a corrupt society and government tries to pass moral conduct laws and policies.

    Does anyone else see the irony here?

  13. larryravor says: Nov 6, 2013 2:13 PM

    I just find these statements amazing and absolutely ludicrous. I am not black and come from a different time, but this leaves me incredulous.

    What is an”honorary” black man? Is it a man like Incognito that uses racial epithets, plays dirty, spits on people, gets thrown off more than one team?

    Is it a man who threatens to ‘slap your mother’ ?

    Is Jonathan Martin not a black man because he went to Stanford? Please!! Someone help me understand this idiocy coming from the mouths of the Dolphin players.

    RI is a bully and a jerk. The lack of respect he and his teamates have shown is why the Dolphins are so disfunctional.

  14. 1westcoastphinfan says: Nov 6, 2013 2:16 PM

    stupid remark. so many self-proclaimed “experts” giving opinions on things they know little about.

    despite all the bad press, this team has some excellent people and was steadily gaining experience and working on improvements to their skills. you want the team to fire Wake, Grimes, Fields, Clay, and Patterson too? I think not.

    hopefully, fact-finders will get to the bottom of this issue, and if necessary, make some changes personnel-wise. but you don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.

  15. dmartin17 says: Nov 6, 2013 2:18 PM

    So? Hate filled words are still hate filled words.

  16. stoutfiles says: Nov 6, 2013 2:19 PM

    So if you’re “honorary” you get to use racist language? Yeah, I don’t think so. No one should be doing that, regardless of skin color.

  17. dehly says: Nov 6, 2013 2:20 PM

    So let me get this straight… Its ok to say and do every nasty thing on the field (if those things were said and done by anyone in normal circumstances it would be harassment and more than likely police would be called and charges pressed) but you cant as soon as you step off the field. Where do we draw the line? acceptable on the field for the whole world to see/not acceptable off the field. It just seems that Pandora’s box has now been opened- I can see everyone on the field starting to complain that they are being bullied on the field (their workplace)

  18. takeittothehizzy says: Nov 6, 2013 2:22 PM

    While at least this is a new angle. My biggest question is between the text and voice mail in April and the lunchroom incident last week, what happened? I’ve not heard one thing being reported about Martin’s treatment the 6 months in between. The answer will, in large part, determine the fallout when it’s all said and done.

  19. fargovikesfan says: Nov 6, 2013 2:23 PM

    Honorary black man? how is that not racist? Sounds like some of the same “Cornball Brother” stuff that got Rob Parker fired from ESPN. Shouldn’t matter if you’re white, black, Asian, native American, etc… what Incognito did was inexcusable no matter who he did it to.

  20. fdugrad says: Nov 6, 2013 2:23 PM

    So, according to this article regarding whether or not one is a racist, the victim has no say in the matter, and if it speaks and acts like one, it is NOT. That’s interesting logic.

  21. patriotinvasion says: Nov 6, 2013 2:23 PM

    I think everyone needs to lighten up. These are 2 grown men. Whatever happened to sticks and stones? The outrage from the media and making it a bigger deal about bullying is silly. 2 grown men are exempt from “bullying” because they have mature minds that can handle situations different than a child and figure out multiple ways to solve problems.

  22. ridingwithnohandlebars says: Nov 6, 2013 2:24 PM

    Reminds me of Rob Parkers comments about RGIII.

  23. bigdaddyraven says: Nov 6, 2013 2:25 PM

    I guess we now know what is wrong with this team, they are morons.

  24. robgilman says: Nov 6, 2013 2:28 PM

    Really is amazing just how immature and sheltered these athletes are from the real world

  25. dietrich43 says: Nov 6, 2013 2:29 PM

    Thank heavens he didn’t call him a Redskin…..

  26. jwulf1 says: Nov 6, 2013 2:32 PM

    How come all the players are supporting Richie and not the victim here? I’m white and I’ve never said the ” N ” word. I’ve heard the ” N” word tens of thousands of time from black men. the response is if it ends with an “A” it’s alright. Richie is around a lot of black guys and it probably became alright for him to say the ” N” word because it ended with an ” A.” I think we should all try to understand that we live in a different world today. could you imagine trying to explain to MLK or Mrs. Parks its okay to say the ” N ” word as long as it ends with an ” A” friggen ridiculous!!!!!

  27. vegasdestroyer says: Nov 6, 2013 2:35 PM

    The Redskins denounced Incognito’s derogatory slur,
    “there is no place in the NFL for racial insensitivity.”

  28. meatsweat says: Nov 6, 2013 2:37 PM

    This is about a culture, a culture that despite writing about, and his claims of having an insider relationship with for over 10years, our dear writer is NOT privy to and will apparently never understand. Was Incognito a jerk? Yes. Did Martin break the code? Yes. The code is all anyone in the league cares about. The media just has an agenda that they’re trying to push.

  29. gottaplan says: Nov 6, 2013 2:37 PM

    I think it is becoming more and more obvious that malicious intent is missing from this scenario. It looks to me like Richie just talks like a lot of guys I played high school football with.. not for the public to hear obviously but accepted in places like Army barracks and football locker rooms. IF you have not lived in that culture than it is ignorant to judge it. One guy… one guy.. quit on his team, then told his parents he was uncomfortable and produced a VM from April.. No other guy in that locker room has come out and supported Martin… that is telling, or at least it should be. If martin truly felt threatened why would he have stuck around since April? Incognito is guilty of bad judgement and a shallow sense of humor but it is clear nobody feels he is dangerous… at least anybody that actually knows the real story!

  30. raideralex99 says: Nov 6, 2013 2:38 PM

    OMG its sports … players say anything to get an edge.
    Here’s a question … you assault a person on the street … you are arrested.
    Howcome you can break a person leg or collarbone on the football field or in a rink and that’s okay.

  31. lionshawk says: Nov 6, 2013 2:39 PM

    I’m stunned by the defense of Incognito. In my opinion the Dolphins have major issues with character. Pouncey is currently linked to Aaron Hernandez by the FBI and this Incognito is scum is the worst teammate on the planet. Take the N word out of his message and he was still so far out of bounds this his statements he should be banned from the game. Incognito is going squeal like a pig to keep himself in the league so if someone in the Dolphins organization told him to toughen up Martin that person is getting thrown under the bus.

  32. posmoo says: Nov 6, 2013 2:40 PM

    So let me get this straight, because the black Dolphins players are convinced Incognito is not a racist, that fact should not “be a factor here”.

    But if he was considered a racist, this would bethe major factor and you would call for him to be drummed out of the league.

    This is the problem with the loose standards of morality the people that write for PFT subscribe to. Instead of having a consistent point of view and ideology you employ constantly, you change your arguments on an ad hoc basis so that you always get to play the morally superior civil rights hero who just so happens to use minorities as props in their productions.

  33. htowntexan says: Nov 6, 2013 2:40 PM

    But for the racist remarks, I see nothing wrong with his comments or vm. Normal hazing serves a very useful purpose. If the racist remark was truly not meant to be a derogatory insult, then I do thinks this changes the analysis.

  34. pem34 says: Nov 6, 2013 2:42 PM

    I don’t see why this is so confusing.

    - John Mayer

  35. theauger says: Nov 6, 2013 2:50 PM

    It seems to me that many in the media & some that comment here forget that the context in which words are used is often the deciding factor in whether a word or words should be deemed offensive. There are many things I have said & ways that I have acted with “my boys” or brother in my life, that I would never say or do in front of the rest of my family or in public. If Incognito’s African-American teammates are willing to defend his use of racially charged words, that should tell you something about this situation.

    Anyone who doesn’t know what “honorary” or a “pass” means in this context has either never been around an environment where there are multiple different ethnicities that co-exist in comradery fashion or is too old to understand.

  36. steelfan1 says: Nov 6, 2013 2:51 PM

    The problem with this scenario here is, we the fans, we love watching football and because we do, we sometimes forget only a few of these men have any common sense.

    First of all, as a black man, i don’t have a problem with people using the N word. But i have a problem when someone calls me that. I am not a N word. I have a name my parents gave me and that word has its meaning in American history as a derogatory word used to demean people. Rappers, Sports stars etc, huge majority who have no education, real education have now tried to define that word to everyone else.

    Anyone who does what Richie did is a racist. Anyone who truly believes, Richie is not a racist, then doesn’t understand what the N word truly stand for. A stanford educated man, who had parents who went to Harvard does.

    Also, if Richie was told to toughen up Martin in the Offseason, he could have trained with him. Maybe during bench presses, he could have pushed him to lift an extra set. This is how you push and toughen someone up. you don’t do it, by calling the person racist names, telling them you would defecate in their parent’s mouth or threaten to harm his family.

    Anyone who sees this, and says Richie is an ok guy, much only have half a brain.

  37. bleedeaglegreen says: Nov 6, 2013 2:51 PM

    Riley Cooper had a bad moment as he was turdfaced drunk & we have no idea what was being said to him & he’s been deemed a horrible racist that shouldn’t be in the NFL BUT Incognito can say the same things in a much more abusive situation, use it as disrespectful as possible, talk about slapping this poor guys mother & Ingognito is misunderstood.

    People on the Eagles wanted to kill Cooper but Richie is honorable, Cooper regrets what happened & teammates are sticking up for Incognito….does anyone else see the flagrant, blatant hypocrisy here??

    Incognito’s behavior is 100 times more offensive than Coopers.

  38. bbb82 says: Nov 6, 2013 2:54 PM

    Is he viewed as a psycho by anyone? Maybe it’s just me, but I felt like the notion of [expletive] in someone’s mouth and killing their family to be slightly more threatening than a dumb racial slur.

  39. theauger says: Nov 6, 2013 2:57 PM

    And further more, I am not a fan of Incognito & his antics on the playing field. But as more & more info is coming out, it is beginning to become quite clear that Martin is soft & couldn’t handle the situation & his demotion.

  40. Darkoestrada says: Nov 6, 2013 2:58 PM

    If someone is in sales and they are harassed to the point where they feel their only option is to walk away, does that mean they are not tough enough to be a salesman? Or is it just that they no longer can stand to put up with the toxic environment and incompetent management that fosters a hostile work environment? The fact that this is happening in a football locker room is irrelevant. It’s simply a case of workplace harassment and isn’t acceptable in any organization. I don’t see how anyone can fault Martin for taking the best of his few options and walking away. If Martin started a physical fight,as some people seem to think would have been the best way to resolve his problems, it likely would have only escalated the situation or alienated him further.

  41. cjjones5656 says: Nov 6, 2013 3:00 PM

    He is on a rookie 2nd rd rookie contract and he doesn’t really like playing football…..
    Now…
    1.He gets to sue the very rich NFL for millions.

    2.He gets to write a book which I am sure will be a best seller.

    3.He will go down as a “Pioneer of equality in the NFL locker room”

    Conclusion = He gets rich, gets to be a hero, and doesn’t have to ever play in that mean ole NFL again.

    Welcome to the United States of America

  42. thefirstsmilergrogan says: Nov 6, 2013 3:05 PM

    the people who know what went on (the locker room) are voicing support for incognito.

    the african american players who have lived with this dude for years don’t believe that he is a racist, even having heard the voicemail.

    and to all the people on here who don’t associate with young african americans, their use of the n word is different.

    finally, and this will get my post censored, the lawyers are ruining pro football. in an effort to be everything to everyone, the essence of the game is being lost. just like making the rules to encourage the pass over the middle, then villifying the safety or corner who blows them up, while the lawyers all get paid either way.

  43. pfic15 says: Nov 6, 2013 3:06 PM

    Using the word doesn’t make you a racist. If that were the case well you know….

  44. unclebluck says: Nov 6, 2013 3:15 PM

    This blog is like a rollercoaster….I see the same names castigating Incognito for the last 2 days, and deservedly so, and now some of you same posters are now claiming that the dirtbag is somehow the victim of a witch hunt, a scapegoat. This is Ritchie incognito folks…this kind of behavior is his claim to fame. It doesn’t matter if some one tells you to do something when you are an adult…you are the one committing the crime. Ritchie has been caught red handed and there will be more damning evidence to come ….and yes adults can be bullied…and team or no team nobody should have to endure that kind of crap…and where was the so called “TEAM” when Martin needed them?????

  45. loubearkane says: Nov 6, 2013 3:16 PM

    See so everybody relax he had the pass.

  46. metintodd says: Nov 6, 2013 3:17 PM

    It looks to me like the black guys on the Dolphins are threatened by an educated black guy like Martin because he went to Stanford. I guess there aren’t supposed to be any educated black guys playing football. It’s stunning to me that these other guys felt threatened by Martin’s vocabulary and worldliness. Perhaps that speaks to a larger issue in black society in which black people who grow up in the ‘Hood’ feel that black people who educate themselves are ‘sellouts’ to the White community. Seems like many more people on the Dolphins besides Incognito could use some counseling. What a pathetic locker room.

  47. bengalskuta82 says: Nov 6, 2013 3:18 PM

    Those players are choosing the right things to say. Do they believe in their heart that he is a racist? Well, God only knows that.

  48. seattlelibtard says: Nov 6, 2013 3:23 PM

    I would like to hear the voice mail in question. Hearing it would put it in better context than reading it. Was it dude on dude buddy speak, or was it really threatening speak. I’ve been called many a name by good friends and if what they said was written down, it would look a lot worse than what was spoken.

  49. bigjd says: Nov 6, 2013 3:25 PM

    You can’t brush off racism at certain times and say it’s a “culture” and then get upset at others times because someone that you don’t consider in the “culture” uses the same word. That in itself is racist.

  50. thefirstsmilergrogan says: Nov 6, 2013 3:34 PM

    Darkoestrada says:
    Nov 6, 2013 2:58 PM
    If someone is in sales and they are harassed to the point where they feel their only option is to walk away, does that mean they are not tough enough to be a salesman? Or is it just that they no longer can stand to put up with the toxic environment and incompetent management that fosters a hostile work environment? The fact that this is happening in a football locker room is irrelevant.

    now, how many salesmen rely on the salesman next to them to provide their physical protection? and how many salesmen are confronted by the biggest, baddest athletes in the world coming at them with bad intentions? just as in the military, or other organizations, it is ludicrous to equate the two workplaces.

    and if i’m in a union shop, and don’t report the violations to the union (who i should be able to trust), in lieu of management, and i walk off the job, what happens?

    some of you have never been in a locker room or frat house or other all-male (or all female for that matter) environment. its not always polite and its not always safe for playing on television…

  51. bsizemore68 says: Nov 6, 2013 3:34 PM

    Using the so call N word makes one a racist Mr. Steel then just about all the young Black men would be racist, and if you call a black man a N word and he is your friend, he will call you a name back at you, if you call his mother a N word, then a fight will be on. People who has never play football needs to stay out of this mess, and let the NFL get to the bottom of it. And Richie will play Pro Football before Martin. Bill

  52. assuredmutualdestruction says: Nov 6, 2013 3:35 PM

    See how easily one white person using the “N” word in a voicemail completely trumps the incessant Redskins name change articles? Goes to show you how much importance is placed on each name.

  53. upperdecker19 says: Nov 6, 2013 3:45 PM

    Michael Richards demands an explanation

  54. bullcharger says: Nov 6, 2013 3:56 PM

    Incognito has proven to be a problem everywhere he has been. He’s obviously not a good person and even bad people have friends, so it’s no surprise that people are defending him.

    It’s pretty cut and dry to me… It doesn’t matter whether he believes he is racist, or his friends believe he is racist. It matters that he used racist language. It also matters that the person he intended it toward was offended. Nothing else matters. It was 100% a racist incident. The other things he said were clearly threatening… It doesn’t matter whether he meant them as a joke or not, the person he intended the comments toward thought the comments were threatening and not funny at all. Also cut and dry.

    It doesn’t even matter if people discredit Martin, or call him soft, or whatever. It’s still completely wrong and it is improper workplace conduct.

    Men in the NFL certainly need to be physically and mentally tough, but they don’t need to willingly endure threats about their mother or racial slurs to be tough guys.

  55. raideralex99 says: Nov 6, 2013 3:59 PM

    LMAO … Incognito threatens to kill someone but nobody cares. Why because everyone knows he did not mean it.
    Now use the N word in the same sentence and OMG its the Crime of the century.
    Yes I have been called a name or two in my life … nobody cares if you are a redskin but I’m proud of my heritage and don’t need to cry about it.

  56. cliverush says: Nov 6, 2013 4:04 PM

    There is a segment on a WAAF morning radio show called “Florida, not like the rest of us.”

  57. fpstratton says: Nov 6, 2013 4:06 PM

    I don’t pretend to understand everything about locker room hazing and the team sport culture. It may very well be that all of Incognito’s statements were just in fun and not meant to inflict pain. However, my common sense tells me that when a player actually threatens another’s family members, things have gotten out of hand. It would be terrible if he did this to an opponent, but it seems downright unthinkable that he would do this to a teammate. As far as Martin quitting on his team, it appears that at least one of his teammates quit on him a long time ago. Loyalty is a two-way street.

  58. bullcharger says: Nov 6, 2013 4:12 PM

    thefirstsmilergrogan says:Nov 6, 2013 3:34 PM

    Darkoestrada says:
    Nov 6, 2013 2:58 PM
    If someone is in sales and they are harassed to the point where they feel their only option is to walk away, does that mean they are not tough enough to be a salesman? Or is it just that they no longer can stand to put up with the toxic environment and incompetent management that fosters a hostile work environment? The fact that this is happening in a football locker room is irrelevant.

    now, how many salesmen rely on the salesman next to them to provide their physical protection? and how many salesmen are confronted by the biggest, baddest athletes in the world coming at them with bad intentions? just as in the military, or other organizations, it is ludicrous to equate the two workplaces.

    and if i’m in a union shop, and don’t report the violations to the union (who i should be able to trust), in lieu of management, and i walk off the job, what happens?

    some of you have never been in a locker room or frat house or other all-male (or all female for that matter) environment. its not always polite and its not always safe for playing on television…

    ———————–

    Every work place is the same in terms of the right to be treated respectfully.

    Listen to what some of the players have said over the last few days…. Most of the NFL locker rooms are full of mutual admiration and respect. Read what Polamolu said about it… That is sensible.

  59. sebrad says: Nov 6, 2013 4:33 PM

    incognito has been a known buffoon for years. he’s been released by at least 4 teams solely because he is a jughead. also anyone who is going to classify him as “honorary” is clearly a buffoon. finally, mike Wallace is a known idiot and so is grimes. a few minutes googling these short bus passengers will fill in the blanks for you…in particular if you google “brent grimes birthday cakes” to get a feel for the caliber of these people that feel compelled to vouch for this Neanderthal.

  60. clarencewhorley says: Nov 6, 2013 4:34 PM

    It appears Martin is not cut out for this situation, and probably not cut out for the NFL. He checked himself into a hospital for mental health, perhaps the NFL is not the career he is best suited for.

  61. timmihendrix says: Nov 6, 2013 4:41 PM

    Incognito is a bully and a mean guy, he should never play again unlike Leonard Little or Lawrence Phillips. I can’t wait for that Mike Tyson special next weekend.

  62. jaykubs says: Nov 6, 2013 4:53 PM

    I’ve got a great idea, guys. Let’s pass judgment on issues we know nothing about in a place we’ve never been.

  63. ivanpavlov0000 says: Nov 6, 2013 4:59 PM

    It’s funny how many people are saying Martin is unfit to play football because he’s taking measures to keep himself mentally healthy. You prefer little sociopaths like Incognito.

    And after football, when these abusive mental misfits hit rock bottom, y’all are the first in line to mock and ridicule them.

    Would have been nice if Aaron Hernandez talked to some people before his double homicide. He might still be playing for the Pats and scoring TDs. But you guys would have called him weak for getting that help, and now we’ve got a couple dead bodies and massive tragedy no matter how you look at it.

    Bottom line – an NFL team is like any other workplace. There’s no place for abuse and extortion. It’s a business and players need to behave like professionals.

    And … from a strictly football perspective. The Dolphins o-line stinks, thus Incognito’s tactics are a failure.

  64. godzillah3000 says: Nov 6, 2013 5:30 PM

    “Richie is honorary,” a former Dolphins player who knew both said. “I don’t expect you to understand because you’re not black. But being a black guy, being a brother is more than just about skin color. It’s about how you carry yourself. How you play. Where you come from. What you’ve experienced. A lot of things.”

    So its more than just about skin color. So it has nothing to do with being black. The comment that he doesn’t expect someone who is not black to understand is nonesense. So anyone can understand.

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