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Pre-draft personality tests showed no red flags for Martin

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If the Dolphins were concerned they needed to toughen up Jonathan Martin, it runs counter to what one pre-draft psychological profile said about him.

Alex Marvez of FOX Sports obtained a copy of Martin’s test report provided to teams  from Human Resource Tactics, a North Carolina-based firm which several NFL teams use.

Its personality profile of Martin described him as a potential leader, and potentially the guy used in the role he’s accusing Richie Incognito of holding.

“Martin’s mental ability test results are consistently positive,” the report said. “His matrices data place him well above the minimum typically associated with his position.

“He is not afraid to say what is on his mind if things are not going as they should. He is likely to be seen as a team enforcer if his level of play lets him assume this role.”

Martin scored a perfect 10 overall, and also got the highest possible score for two  subcategories — affective commitment and combative attitude. He got nines for dedication, self-efficacy and receptivity to coaching, but a six in social maturity and sevens in focus and interpersonal style. Those were still above average marks, and coupled with his 35 on the Wonderlic, would seem a positive sign.

“Martin enjoys man-to-man challenges and the chance to compete,” the report said. “During games he will demonstrate a tough, no-holds-barred aggressive attitude that will help bring out the competitive spirit in his teammates. Martin has a very high level of dedication and desire to reach his full potential as a player, and he will set a good example of getting the most of one’s ability. He takes practices seriously and will work hard to improve his skills and technique. He has a strong passion for the game and being a good football player is a very high priority for him.

“Deep down, Martin has high expectations for himself and consistently feels that he can accomplish what he sets out to do on the field. Coaches will see that he will be able to shrug off bad breaks during a game and maintain confidence in his ability to succeed.”

That doesn’t sound like the kind of player who needed to be harassed by an older player to work out — or else he was sufficiently prepared for the test and smart enough to know what he needed to sound like for personnel evaluators.

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  1. jay0134 says: Nov 6, 2013 11:53 AM

    The guy was being bullied by a guy with a history of not getting along with other coaches and players.

    Why are people questioning his personality?

  2. wrongsizeglass says: Nov 6, 2013 11:53 AM

    No ‘red flags’ for Martin. What about Incognito? Did he have any ‘red flags’?

  3. tfaulk says: Nov 6, 2013 11:54 AM

    “That doesn’t sound like the kind of player who needed to be harassed by an older player to work out — or else he was sufficiently prepared for the test and smart enough to know what he needed to sound like for personnel evaluators.”

    It sounds to me like it’s completely irrelevant but that someone is conducting a PR campaign.

    The biggest concern I would have based on this new evidence is the ease with which Martin’s camp could get such evidence leaked to and reported by the press.

  4. doctorrustbelt says: Nov 6, 2013 11:55 AM

    Jonathan Martin:
    - dad = Harvard grad
    - mom = Harvard grad
    - grandfather = Harvard grad
    - great-grandfather = Harvard grad

    richie incognito:
    - kicked off Nebraska football team
    - kicked off Oregon football team
    - kicked off St. Louis Rams football team
    - kicked off Buffalo Bills football team
    - kicked off Miami Dolphins football team

  5. runmarshawnrun says: Nov 6, 2013 11:55 AM

    Now let’s see Richie Incognito’s profile. “Likes to hurt small animals. Limited intelligence. Dumber than a bag of hammers. A bit of a d-bag, frankly”.

  6. peytonwantsaflag says: Nov 6, 2013 11:55 AM

    or it could just mean these tests are a load of crap.

  7. questionableprovenance says: Nov 6, 2013 11:56 AM

    Other than at quarterback, teams don’t like smart players. Especially the Dolphins, where you would be hard-pressed to find “smart” from ownership on down.

  8. buddysguys says: Nov 6, 2013 11:56 AM

    all this Martin talk has at least gotten rid of all the stupid redskins name change crap.

  9. tfaulk says: Nov 6, 2013 11:57 AM

    “The guy was being bullied by a guy with a history of not getting along with other coaches and players.”

    Rewriting history…

  10. clarencewhorley says: Nov 6, 2013 11:57 AM

    Should have talked to Bald Bryan from the Adam Carolla show. Coached at his HS team, said the whole team were giant babies and they were told to be soft on the players, because they couldn’t handle hard coaching.

  11. Suck for the Duck says: Nov 6, 2013 11:58 AM

    Yes, but how did he score on “Protective Instincts” (copyright The Blind Side)?

  12. finsupbtchs says: Nov 6, 2013 11:58 AM

    He went to Stanford, he’s not an idiot. He knows how to take a test.

  13. eaglesnoles05 says: Nov 6, 2013 12:00 PM

    PC World strikes again. This is so beyond out of hand it’s ridiculous. Cue the “bullying is serious” comments or the “right on” comments. Sadly and predictably more of the former.

  14. djscottyb says: Nov 6, 2013 12:00 PM

    Not saying what Incognito did or said was right, but guys with the same IQ as Martin can like the “man-to-man challenges and the chance to compete” between others and to better themselves with the sport of FENCING. That doesn’t mean they can handle the degrading trash talking and the violent goings on in the trenches of the NFL.

    Book smart doesn’t equal street smarts…
    (or in this case field smarts)

  15. jay0134 says: Nov 6, 2013 12:00 PM

    Dolphins are just a horrible organization.

    You’d think they would have stopped this or had a talk with Incognito but they just let it go on.

  16. tfbuckfutter says: Nov 6, 2013 12:01 PM

    Perhaps this just goes to show exactly how incredibly negative a force Incognito is.

  17. loubearkane says: Nov 6, 2013 12:03 PM

    No flags for what being Bi-racial?

  18. pfic15 says: Nov 6, 2013 12:04 PM

    Oh my Lord. This clearly makes Martin…..”human”.

  19. joetoronto says: Nov 6, 2013 12:05 PM

    Whopdifriggindo.

    Those tests are made by wimps for wimps, with their “everyone is a winner” and “there are no losers” bullcrap.

  20. spfripp says: Nov 6, 2013 12:05 PM

    I am starting to buy into the story where the coaches told Inconnito to toughen Martin up. Too many players are defending Incognito and if Martin knew what was going on than it would serve as reason why he did not go to the coaches. I still think he could have gone to the NFLPA though.

  21. ialwayswantedtobeabanker says: Nov 6, 2013 12:06 PM

    Right or wrong, football is not a game for athletes who crumble when the pressure gets turned up. It may not be fair, but it’s easy to see how NFL personnel people would not be overly impressed with Martin’s unusually passive response to the heat turned up by Incognito and company.

  22. tavisteelersfan says: Nov 6, 2013 12:06 PM

    I think the Dolphins have a lack of character people on the team and on the coaching staff. Guys like Incognito and his behaviour show up in character vacuums. Martin should find a better team.

  23. jmikeh73 says: Nov 6, 2013 12:07 PM

    Kwame Harris 2.0

  24. 8drinkminimum says: Nov 6, 2013 12:07 PM

    Scott Pioli sure seemed to think Martin wasn’t much coming out of college. As he has said a few times including this past Monday on his Sirius show with Bob Pappa, Martin didn’t “fit” what they were looking for. So what could that be? Smarts? No. Size? No. Toughness?????

    Still can’t get passed those buddy buddy photos taken of Incognito and Martin prior to the Saints game and on the way to Houston. Sure looked chummy to me.

  25. doctorrustbelt says: Nov 6, 2013 12:07 PM

    Shouldn’t all offensive players be hazed, beaten, threatened, and abused since they all make their living running away from others?!?

  26. djscottyb says: Nov 6, 2013 12:08 PM

    “Jonathan Martin:
    - dad = Harvard grad
    - mom = Harvard grad
    - grandfather = Harvard grad
    - great-grandfather = Harvard grad

    richie incognito:
    - kicked off Nebraska football team
    - kicked off Oregon football team
    - kicked off St. Louis Rams football team
    - kicked off Buffalo Bills football team
    - kicked off Miami Dolphins football team”

    True -but
    NFL resume…

    Incognito –
    – Dirtiest player
    – feared blocker and persona
    – Pro Bowler

    Martin
    – 2 rd let down at RT in 2012
    – Failed at LT in 2013
    – replaced by a backup from another team
    – ranking 63rd out of the 69 NFL tackles by PFF

    Not saying what Incognito did was right by any means – but Martin’s pedigree doesn’t make him an automatic success in the NFL

  27. thegreatgabbert says: Nov 6, 2013 12:08 PM

    Martin’s flags were pink.

    Just kidding. But the scouting reports on him prior to the draft were pretty consistent in describing him as soft. He dropped a round on that basis.

  28. cbrown386 says: Nov 6, 2013 12:08 PM

    If Miami doesn’t want him, I’m sure there are plenty of teams interested in a solid, young tackle. I hope this nonsense doesn’t ruin his career.

  29. bostonian13 says: Nov 6, 2013 12:10 PM

    A grown man, an offensive lineman, and NFL PLAYER getting “bullied”. Incognito may be an ass but for Martin to be bullied and not man up just sounds like hurt feelings to me. Sorry sir, you aren’t fit for the NFL. I don’t give a damn about incognito but c’mon stop diving in emotions first.

  30. sosuhme says: Nov 6, 2013 12:10 PM

    How does something like that get leaked? Isn’t psychological testing protected under medical confidentiality laws? Perhaps the NFL and the NFLPA needs to investigate the leaks as well.

  31. psly2124 says: Nov 6, 2013 12:11 PM

    The evaluator should consider a new line of work.

  32. butlers91 says: Nov 6, 2013 12:11 PM

    Yeh, this is a weird story to report. Why would we think MARTIN would have shown red flags? Is there a specific test to see if someone doesn’t like mean people?

  33. doctorrustbelt says: Nov 6, 2013 12:13 PM

    Jonathan Martin has had a better career than david decastro.

  34. posmoo says: Nov 6, 2013 12:14 PM

    all these potential first round draft picks spend big money learning how to handle the interviews.
    the only thing his profile says is he was smart enough to heed their advice.
    the navy shooter got through an 136 page DOD background check where his references were personally interviewed.
    If you think the 15 minute interview nfl teams get is enough to weed out malcontents and the weak-souled that don’t want to be found out your kidding yourself. It’s actually probably about the same depth as a interview for a fry cook position at burger king.

  35. tavisteelersfan says: Nov 6, 2013 12:15 PM

    As for Scott Pioli, and a few others out there, I believe they are circling their wagons around Philbin. People like him a lot and don’t want to see him get creamed for a character issue.

    But … Philbin is between a rock and a hard place; either: he directed or knew the culture of the team included this type of harassment, or, he does not know the culture of the team he directs.

    Which one would he rather be known for?

  36. thegreatgabbert says: Nov 6, 2013 12:17 PM

    No red flags, but apparently he had a white flag somewhere on his person.

  37. dpdonny says: Nov 6, 2013 12:21 PM

    Well this goes to show the value and accuracy of personality tests. Fail.

  38. raideralex99 says: Nov 6, 2013 12:23 PM

    We may never know the true story but if Martin is out of football next year and Incognito signs on with another team …. Hmmmmmm.

  39. pigskinclassic33 says: Nov 6, 2013 12:23 PM

    Wow, look at all the holier-than-thou Internet trolls bashing Incognito and praising Martin.

    You ladies have been emasculated by modern media, who have you following these manufactured soap opera stories as if you were teenage girls…. and you don’t even realize it, you poor dopes.

  40. doctorrustbelt says: Nov 6, 2013 12:23 PM

    Everyone knows Philbin would have gotten rid of incognito…. if the team wasn’t stuck his three year contract (that was signed 6-7 months before Philbin became head coach), weak depth on offensive line, and a rookie 1st round quarterback (in 2012).

  41. kirschmania says: Nov 6, 2013 12:25 PM

    Boy, I guess to earn some respect I would beat Incognitos ass. Sometimes that’s the only way. Bring him down a peg. Be a leader.

  42. bobzilla1001 says: Nov 6, 2013 12:25 PM

    ESPN’s Skippy and Stevie are having a blast with this topic. Both have turned into a combination of Dr. Phil and Rev. Sharpton.
    At least this subject has gotten the “Dumb & Dumber Duo” off of football, which they know nothing about…
    Ricky Williams summed up this incident best: Martin has no stomach for professional football so, in order to save face, he’s making Incognito the scapegoat for his gutless demeanor.

  43. pftfan says: Nov 6, 2013 12:25 PM

    Incognito should go to the Patriots where the healing glow of Belichick’s genius will put him back on the path to salvation..

  44. sarcasm says: Nov 6, 2013 12:27 PM

    Martin is soft. So is Costanzo in Indy. Where have you gone Conrad Dobler?

  45. godfatherd says: Nov 6, 2013 12:27 PM

    I still don’t understand how this got turned around on Martin. There is nothing wrong with the way he responded. If my supervisor at work called me at night and left messages like “hey man you really pussed out in that meeting today, step it up or I will sh*t in your mouth” and I told HR I wasn’t coming back till he was gone. He would be gone. No questions asked. You don’t have to be a jerk to be tough and not wanting to ‘swing on him’ or whatever other crap everyone keeps saying Martin should have done does not make you soft.

  46. jc327 says: Nov 6, 2013 12:28 PM

    That test info is fine and all, now here’s the real world… at RT last year he wasn’t great. At his natural position at LT this year he was worse. He was not improving, may have been regressing.

    Does that have anything to do with the case? Probably not, but it does show that the whole test thing is by no means the Word of God.

  47. tfaulk says: Nov 6, 2013 12:30 PM

    “As for Scott Pioli, and a few others out there, I believe they are circling their wagons around Philbin.”

    Are you serious? Pioli seems to be throwing Philbin under the bus and doing his usual schtick of proclaiming himself the greatest personnel evaluator in history.

    Also, there has been a wave over the last several days to blame Philbin. I don’t think reality bears this out and I don’t think it’s going to stick. (Maybe I’ll be proven wrong as more comes out.) But there’s little evidence that Philbin is not exactly the type of guy who values professionalism, discipline, proper behavior over lawless violence.

  48. doctormantistoboggan says: Nov 6, 2013 12:31 PM

    Whatever happened to “boys will be boys”??!! No one would have cared about this 20-30 years ago. Seems like we should all move on.

  49. upperdecker19 says: Nov 6, 2013 12:40 PM

    Pre draft testing is always incorrect.

    Regards,
    Morris Claiborne, Vince Young & Donovan McNabb’s Wonderlic scores

  50. 11inthebox says: Nov 6, 2013 12:44 PM

    Been around football my entire life.
    This seems to be about one moronic coach’s dislike of Martin. Some coaches—usually the insecure ones—aren’t comfortable around players who are smarter and more well-rounded than they are.

    In this case, “tough” is just code for “why can’t he be like all the other black players on team? Why can’t he use the “n word” and be more “street.”
    But you don’t have to be street to be a good player. I think Matt Birk (Harvard) was a pretty good player.

    All of this reflects your coaching staff and your organization. The Dolphins sound pretty bush league.

  51. pastabelly says: Nov 6, 2013 12:44 PM

    Where is the real leadership on the Dophins? First time head coach? Very young quarterback? Dolphins so-called “leadership council” featuring Incognito? Team Captains? (hint – they don’t have any, and elect them weekly), Jeff Ireland?

    Every single member of last year’s “Leadership Council” is now gone. These include Reggie Bush, Davone Bess, Jake Long and Karlos Dansby. There was no continuation. This made for a dangerous situation, especially considering Incognito, despite his past, got appointed to the new “council”.

  52. hooterdawg says: Nov 6, 2013 12:44 PM

    If the Dolphin coaches indeed let the dogs out to toughen up rookies, we have only heard the ‘tip of the iceberg’ evidence the NFL will dig up. What if all the rookies were divied up between the 6 vets of the Leadership Council, and the other rookies have no complaints? What if Incognito had other rookies he was riding, and they were fine with his pressure because they understood why he was pushing them? An NFL locker room is an exclusive fraternity, and its secret rules and procedures are not easily understood by outsiders.

  53. steelersaregodsteam says: Nov 6, 2013 12:47 PM

    I don’t understand. Why are we examining Martin for red flags? Shouldn’t we be looking at Incognito?

  54. FinFan68 says: Nov 6, 2013 12:50 PM

    “He is not afraid to say what is on his mind if things are not going as they should.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    You can’t have it both ways folks. If the above statement is true then why was the hateful stuff not brought up when it happened?

    I do not know exactly what went on and neither do any of the reporters or other commenters. We can all speculate but none of us have the facts (at least not all of the facts)

    Looking at his background (Harvard educated family for generations and successful professionals) it seems to me like Martin is having a hard time with perceived/actual personal failure rather than being unable to deal with the standar NFL teasing (Incognito’s messages are a different story altogether but they also were not the catalyst for Martin’s breakdown). He snapped after McKinnie was brought in to replace him as LT. That is the only significant change that I see. He was one of the jokers that got up from the table the week prior. When the same gag was done to him he snapped and left. After that his surrogates bring out messages from 8 months ago to steer the story from him being mentally weak and/or abandoning his team two days prior to a crucial game. The story shifted to bullying and Incognito’s stupid messages. The plan seems to have worked but the bottom line is that Martin may not be cut out for an NFL offensive lineman job and he was at the very least starting to realize/wonder about that.

  55. thesportgenius says: Nov 6, 2013 12:51 PM

    Philbin must have gone to the Joe Paterno school of sticking his head in the sand and looking the other way. The buck stops there.

  56. annes22 says: Nov 6, 2013 12:54 PM

    A 6 in social maturity, that tells me something.

  57. metintodd says: Nov 6, 2013 12:59 PM

    Martin sounds like a smart, intelligent guy, which is the type of football player teams need to succeed. Instead, the Dolphins are stuck with a team of Neanderthal meatheads like Incognito and Pouncey, who emboldened a climate of fear, intimidation and bullying in the locker room.

    The Dolphins will never succeed if they think they need more Neanderthal meatheads who have temper and mental issues like Incognito. You need professional, mature athletes who actually know their A,B, Cs and can count to 10.

    Not every football player is the same way. Everybody is different in their own way. Shame on Incognito and the Dolphins if they expected Martin to fall in line with their bullying tactics. They’re still living in a 50s world apparently.

  58. louhudson23 says: Nov 6, 2013 1:00 PM

    There is no reason whatsoever for anyone to be questioning this man’s suitability for the NFL. Only one person has clearly demonstrated they lack the necessities necessary and that is Incognito. The tests are accurate and useful and nothing Martin has done calls them into question. Martin found the situation unworkable,and refused to go along to get along. He stood up and said “enough” and placed the burden back on Dolphin’s management,which is where it belongs. It is managements responsibility and duty to provide a functional workplace and allow it’s employees to flourish and accomplish the common goal. Management failed to do so by hiring an unsuitable employee and failing to monitor his activities,which are clearly detrimental to the common effort as well destructive to a safe and functional workplace.

  59. athwartships says: Nov 6, 2013 1:01 PM

    Having served many years in the military, I understand the angle of a little razzing to build comradre and motivation. BUT, I also understand there is a line you don’t need to cross when doing it. Inco is a classic example of the one idiot in a group that doesn’t get the point of the razzing in the first place and takes it too far.

    In every single example I can think of from my experieces, it was always a moron like Inco that went to far and now those traditions no longer exist.

    Martin is a victim, Inco is an idiot, Dolphins and NFL are going to knee jerk hard and in the end the game will suffer for it.

  60. q1ller says: Nov 6, 2013 1:01 PM

    Sooo… wanting to be treated as an adult and not be bullied constantly should have raised a red flag? Really?

    The fact that this question and article have even surfaced is insulting.

  61. ravensgrl says: Nov 6, 2013 1:21 PM

    FinFan68 says:
    Nov 6, 2013 12:50 PM
    “He is not afraid to say what is on his mind if things are not going as they should.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    You can’t have it both ways folks. If the above statement is true then why was the hateful stuff not brought up when it happened?
    _________________

    Maybe he did bring it up. One report said he complained about this bullying behavior months ago. If nothing is being done, is he supposed to keep taking it? He stood up for himself and walked out of there.

  62. tved12 says: Nov 6, 2013 1:23 PM

    bobzilla1001 says:
    Nov 6, 2013 12:25 PM
    ESPN’s Skippy and Stevie are having a blast with this topic. Both have turned into a combination of Dr. Phil and Rev. Sharpton.
    At least this subject has gotten the “Dumb & Dumber Duo” off of football, which they know nothing about…
    Ricky Williams summed up this incident best: Martin has no stomach for professional football so, in order to save face, he’s making Incognito the scapegoat for his gutless demeanor.

    Ricky Williams, great source, I typically take my advice from a guy who left his job to smoke pot…

  63. dietrich43 says: Nov 6, 2013 1:29 PM

    Everyone that thinks Martin should have started a fight – go read about Cal’s RB. Why did Coughlin ban hazing? He didn’t care about feelings, he didn’t want someone hurt.

    The problem was putting Dick Unknown in a leadership position. Dick Unknown is a great team enforcer, but that doesn’t make him a leader, and those two roles need to be clearly separated.

    And I hope the NFLPA is looking into it, since this allegedly started after Martin skipped a voluntary workout. I understand that the coaches want full participation – but there’s a reason it is called voluntary and not mandatory.

  64. bigredgoog says: Nov 6, 2013 1:30 PM

    The Red Flag to coaches in the report was “Unfortunately, subject knows the meaning of the word Voluntary”.

  65. seachicken64 says: Nov 6, 2013 1:31 PM

    So, we’ve got this kid who is a Stanford graduate and a second-round pick. Smart, big, strong. Let’s do everything we can as a team and organization to make his life miserable. Idiots.

  66. runmarshawnrun says: Nov 6, 2013 1:32 PM

    This is one of those issues where you don’t have to choose sides.

    Saying Incognito is a d-bag doesn’t mean you support Martin.

    Saying Martin isn’t cut out for the NFL doesn’t mean you support Incognito’s BS.

    I happen to believe both. Richie Incognito is the worst kind of knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, racist, cheating pile of excrement and deserves to have his NFL career ended.

    And Martin is a big softy who probably doesn’t have the stomach for the NFL. And by saying that, I’m not condemning how he handled this situation, I’m just evaluating his talent on the field.

  67. nard100 says: Nov 6, 2013 1:42 PM

    What I think you are going to find is that the coaches supported this and if that’s the case, what is the rationale for fighting back? The coaches have made it plain they support the bullying. What is the message from management? People seem to be upset with Martin, but how much you want to bet he told management and they did nothing in April? It probably continued and Martin did what he had to do to get it to stop which was to embarrass an entire organization.

  68. tved12 says: Nov 6, 2013 1:45 PM

    bigredgoog says:
    Nov 6, 2013 1:30 PM
    The Red Flag to coaches in the report was “Unfortunately, subject knows the meaning of the word Voluntary”.

    Dude, this made me laugh out loud at work. Nice post!

  69. guinsrule says: Nov 6, 2013 1:45 PM

    The problem is the so-called personality tests are flawed because the player’s agent hire professionals to teach the kids how to answer the questions ahead of time.

  70. ivanpavlov0000 says: Nov 6, 2013 1:47 PM

    I don’t know why people are defending Inconito as a leader of the Dolphins offensive line – the Dolphins offensive line stinks. At this point in the season, that line needs to have a pack mentality where an attack on one is an attack on all. They don’t. That’s 100% on the leader of the group Incognito.

    They need to do a major housecleaning in that organization to weed out the people like Incognito who have things on their mind other than winning football games.

  71. tved12 says: Nov 6, 2013 1:49 PM

    To everybody who says he should have punched him in the face;

    1. When an adult hits another adult in the face it’s called assault. What happens if Incognito breaks his nose or something? Do you put it past him to file a lawsuit himself?

    2. On the field, how many times has Richie cost his team on boneheaded plays? The mentality that you need to fight to resolve conflict hurts your team ON THE FIELD.

    I will admit, there are times people make me mad and I would love to smack them but as an adult you bottle up that emotion and do the smart thing.

  72. 1rockyracoon says: Nov 6, 2013 1:49 PM

    The Dolphins are pathetic. Who would put someone like Incognito in a leadership role? He was kicked off of three teams before the dolphins and they decide he should be on the leadership council. Godell needs to come down hard on everyone associated with the planned intimidation and harassment of Martin. This goes at least up to the head coach. Martin is Stanford educated and his parents are Harvard educated lawyers. His future is bright with or without the NFL. Incognito, on the other hand, doesn’t seem to have anything going for him outside of the NFL. He’s going to be 30, has been kicked off of 4 teams, uses the n-word, and is a dirty player. His future doesn’t look to bright. I can’t wait to reality catches up to this “tough” guy.

  73. FinFan68 says: Nov 6, 2013 1:52 PM

    ravensgrl says:
    Nov 6, 2013 1:21 PM

    Maybe he did bring it up. One report said he complained about this bullying behavior months ago. If nothing is being done, is he supposed to keep taking it? He stood up for himself and walked out of there.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Sound easy enough but I seriously doubt he mentioned the racial or threatening texts/VMs which is what I was referring to. That report you are referring to says that he went to Coach Philbin months ago but the nature of the conversation was pure speculation. Martin was granted a leave of absence back then. Philbin and Martin have both stated previously that they discussed Martin’s desire (or lack thereof) to be a football player in the NFL. If that is the conversation the report is referring to then it is a gross misrepresentation that does nothing but further the author’s agenda.

    Also, the bullying mantra is a bunch of BS. Martin pulled the exact same lunchroom joke on Nate Garner the week prior to his meltdown. Does that make Martin a bully too? You can’t make a credible complaint about behavior that you do yourself. Like I said earlier, Martin seems like he is not cut out to be an NFL player and is continuing to question his desire to remain one. If you search for them you will find stories about Martin saying exactly that to some teammates. I’m sure they will become more mainstream once the media is done getting clicks off the bullying angle and Incognito’s childish messages.

  74. FinFan68 says: Nov 6, 2013 1:57 PM

    1rockyracoon says:
    Nov 6, 2013 1:49 PM
    The Dolphins are pathetic. Who would put someone like Incognito in a leadership role?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The answer to your question is the players that know him best. They picked their leadership council, not the coaching staff.

  75. ytandr says: Nov 6, 2013 1:59 PM

    Is it possible that ESPN is making this a bigger story than it is because they have a horrible monday night match up that they need to drum up business for?

    Not saying its not a big deal, but does it deserve this much coverage before a majority of the facts have come out?

  76. FinFan68 says: Nov 6, 2013 2:07 PM

    @tved12,
    Incognito has had issues in the past and that reputation is still following him. As for hurting his team on the field…he had 1 PF last year for a late hit. I can’t remember the play but I remember Philbin benched him (same game he benched Bush) That is the only such incident since he has played for Miami.

  77. beachsidejames says: Nov 6, 2013 2:08 PM

    Soft coming in …Melted down going out. This guy isn’t just soft he’s liquid. All this Harvard degree background and he couldn’t handle Incognito’s mental wisdom. It comes back to the fact that he is a terrible football player and all the Harvard paperwork in the world isn’t going to change that.

  78. mykpfsu says: Nov 6, 2013 2:20 PM

    Sounds more and more like Ricky Williams was right. Martin wanted out of the NFL and wanted that last big payday. He comes from a family of lawyers and they know they’ll get more money from the Dolphins than from Incognito.

  79. lawrinson20 says: Nov 6, 2013 2:23 PM

    Absolutely ridiculous, that these personality test results are made public. Not sure why the Players Union isn’t on top of this.

  80. fdugrad says: Nov 6, 2013 2:25 PM

    No red flags for MARTIN? Shouldn’t the spotlight for reds flags be on Incognito?

  81. vaphinfan says: Nov 6, 2013 2:29 PM

    Terrible situation here but basically a guy made a phone call and left a stupid message and made him pay for some meals. Cut them both and move on. Its not like he beat his wife or killed someone drinking and driving. Its not good but the media is having a field day making a mountain out of a mole hill.

  82. fnf417 says: Nov 6, 2013 2:36 PM

    I’m not agreeing with the racial slurs or death threat that was definatly uncalled for and he should be punished for that but it also seems to me that Martin is a weak person I mean grow some backbone and stand up for yourself

  83. FinFan68 says: Nov 6, 2013 2:58 PM

    lawrinson20 says:
    Nov 6, 2013 2:23 PM
    Absolutely ridiculous, that these personality test results are made public. Not sure why the Players Union isn’t on top of this.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    There were most likely made public by Martin’s camp. Don’t forget that the knock on Martin has been he is soft and or/weak minded. That was the original story after his meltdown. The rest is the fog created after that. This is just more of the same. I like Martin and I think he could be a decent lineman but if he can’t toughen up a little, both mentally and physically he won’t reach his potential. I am in no way condoning Incognito’s crap but I do think the situation has been blown completely out of proportion

  84. dodohead418 says: Nov 6, 2013 3:07 PM

    There were no red flags on Aaron Hernandez either, but we all know what happened to him…

  85. shadowcell says: Nov 6, 2013 3:24 PM

    All this “toughness” talk about Martin is pretty silly anyway, considering that he was recruited by the hyper-intense and hyper-competitive Jim Harbaugh, and during his college career he played for a Stanford team that cemented its identity as a smash-mouth power football team that would wear you down with relentless pressure. I have a hard time believing that Martin survived all that, and thrived enough to convince someone to spend a second-round pick on him, while being some delicate little flower.

  86. mogogo1 says: Nov 6, 2013 3:44 PM

    Well, even if the coaches had a reason to want him toughened up, I don’t see how extorting $15,000 from him so Incognito could have fun in Vegas would fit into that.

  87. clarencewhorley says: Nov 6, 2013 4:31 PM

    Interesting that Chris Carter says all the Dolphins are coming to Incognito’s defense saying he is definitely not racist and a good guy. Pouncey is on the record supporting Incognito.

    Also now reported that Martin was so shook up he checked himself into a hospital for mental health reasons. He very well may not be cut out for the NFL. Perhaps he may need another career outside of professional sports.

  88. ripster65 says: Nov 6, 2013 4:56 PM

    Hilarious! Why is there a story about this for Martin? Sholdn’t it be about Incognito?

  89. rodh32340 says: Nov 6, 2013 5:46 PM

    Incognito’s red flags could cover one of Cristo’s islands!

  90. j0esixpack says: Nov 6, 2013 6:15 PM

    And what did the pre draft analysis show about Incognito… That’s the real question

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